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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by jameld on Mar 7, 2015 16:38:57 GMT 1, Beautiful frame job. Wish you were in the states.  G/L with the sale.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by threeg on Apr 1, 2015 20:18:13 GMT 1, Hi Guys -
In your opinion, from a scale of 1 -10 ( 1 being bad, 10 being the best)
What are your thoughts on the Trolley Hunters in Color Edition of 750.
Thinking about buying one, but not sure because of the edition size.
Is it a strong image?
Is it an important piece?
What do you guys think?
Thanks
Gregg
Hi Guys -
In your opinion, from a scale of 1 -10 ( 1 being bad, 10 being the best)
What are your thoughts on the Trolley Hunters in Color Edition of 750.
Thinking about buying one, but not sure because of the edition size.
Is it a strong image?
Is it an important piece?
What do you guys think?
Thanks
Gregg
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 20:55:37 GMT 1, All I will say is buy art because it makes you feel good. Trying to rate art for me just doesn't work. If it makes you tingle inside when you look at it that's a bloody good start. Trollies does nothing for me as a piece of art, LIITA though that's a very different matter 
All I will say is buy art because it makes you feel good. Trying to rate art for me just doesn't work. If it makes you tingle inside when you look at it that's a bloody good start. Trollies does nothing for me as a piece of art, LIITA though that's a very different matter |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by iamzero on Apr 1, 2015 20:58:18 GMT 1, I love it. Wished I'd bought one.
I love it. Wished I'd bought one.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by Black Apple Art on Apr 1, 2015 21:02:42 GMT 1, One thing I have found with Art and especially Banksy prints is that while I have my own wish list and rating on pieces, over time as I have acquired works I have often changed my mind when having the piece in person and almost always to the upside. Nothing can replicate having the piece in front of you. How the light hits it and seeing the paper texture, print details ect ect. A few examples for me were S&S which is now at the very top for me. My biggest surprise was Sale Ends, which was near the bottom of my list regarless of how rare they are but after having it I was stunned at the size and overspray detail of the print. It is now one of my favs. Buy what you love and never be disappointed, as long as you have the piece inspected before purchase!
One thing I have found with Art and especially Banksy prints is that while I have my own wish list and rating on pieces, over time as I have acquired works I have often changed my mind when having the piece in person and almost always to the upside. Nothing can replicate having the piece in front of you. How the light hits it and seeing the paper texture, print details ect ect. A few examples for me were S&S which is now at the very top for me. My biggest surprise was Sale Ends, which was near the bottom of my list regarless of how rare they are but after having it I was stunned at the size and overspray detail of the print. It is now one of my favs. Buy what you love and never be disappointed, as long as you have the piece inspected before purchase!
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by Nick on Apr 1, 2015 21:19:36 GMT 1, Trolley Hunters is absolutely one of my favourite images..image wise would choose it over a lot of the more expensive editions such as CYW any day. And the coloured edition is my favourite over b+w too!
Trolley Hunters is absolutely one of my favourite images..image wise would choose it over a lot of the more expensive editions such as CYW any day. And the coloured edition is my favourite over b+w too!
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by robertjones on Apr 1, 2015 21:44:43 GMT 1, If you like the image get it. I have the black & white one and love it.
If you like the image get it. I have the black & white one and love it.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by dwight on Apr 1, 2015 23:11:59 GMT 1, It's one of my all time favorite banksy prints. Paid a premium to buy a b&w signed and would love to have one from the color edition too.
It's one of my all time favorite banksy prints. Paid a premium to buy a b&w signed and would love to have one from the color edition too.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by Deleted on Apr 2, 2015 0:16:09 GMT 1, Always loved it; I can say it looks great in person having seen one.
I don't know if it's an "important" piece; I could see people not realizing it was by Banksy. I feel like the more "important" pieces - at least in the sense that you seem to be asking - are the ones people immediately know to be Banksy, like GWRB, LIITA, Laugh Now, etc.
I wouldn't consider edition size unless you're only in it for the money, and even then it can be a bad idea.
Always loved it; I can say it looks great in person having seen one.
I don't know if it's an "important" piece; I could see people not realizing it was by Banksy. I feel like the more "important" pieces - at least in the sense that you seem to be asking - are the ones people immediately know to be Banksy, like GWRB, LIITA, Laugh Now, etc.
I wouldn't consider edition size unless you're only in it for the money, and even then it can be a bad idea.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by sommguy on Apr 2, 2015 2:40:18 GMT 1, I would love to OWN the Original. Laz has all the toys....
I would love to OWN the Original. Laz has all the toys.... |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by Snakes on Apr 2, 2015 17:54:24 GMT 1, I love the trolley hunters print as I love shopping in Sainsburys. I prefer the b&w over the coloured one.
I love the trolley hunters print as I love shopping in Sainsburys. I prefer the b&w over the coloured one.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by daveyuk on Apr 3, 2015 10:52:16 GMT 1, I would say it's a middle interest print for me...but...and its a big but...as black apple says once you see the print in person it can look absolutely awesome! Felt the same about NBGs until I saw it for real and was blown away! Go for it I say.
Best, from the West
I would say it's a middle interest print for me...but...and its a big but...as black apple says once you see the print in person it can look absolutely awesome! Felt the same about NBGs until I saw it for real and was blown away! Go for it I say.
Best, from the West
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by Balboa on Apr 4, 2015 10:53:40 GMT 1, I love the message.
Great print - but much prefer the colour version.
I love the message.
Great print - but much prefer the colour version.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by Ruggs on Apr 4, 2015 11:20:15 GMT 1, Thought I'd bagged a b/w unsigned upon release but my Mac crashed when I got to checking out, refreshed and all gone. Can't say I was that over-enamoured with the image when I first got the POW e-mail, but since then both colourways have grown on me more and more. Just a b/w unsigned version would do nicely. Wish I'd bagged one back then.
Thought I'd bagged a b/w unsigned upon release but my Mac crashed when I got to checking out, refreshed and all gone. Can't say I was that over-enamoured with the image when I first got the POW e-mail, but since then both colourways have grown on me more and more. Just a b/w unsigned version would do nicely. Wish I'd bagged one back then.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by achtungbono on Apr 5, 2015 21:26:08 GMT 1, best image of the past decade from banksy.
best image of the past decade from banksy.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by otomi on Apr 5, 2015 21:39:23 GMT 1, The colors really pop and it is a print relating to his early stunts when he put his art in museums, back then without permission. Here the British Museum. The large edition keeps the price "reasonable".
The colors really pop and it is a print relating to his early stunts when he put his art in museums, back then without permission. Here the British Museum. The large edition keeps the price "reasonable". |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by met on Apr 6, 2015 18:49:26 GMT 1, I love the message. Great print - but much prefer the colour version.
This interests me, especially the use of the article "the".
Genuine question: May I ask how you interpret Trolleys, and what you consider to be its message?
I love the message. Great print - but much prefer the colour version. This interests me, especially the use of the article "the". Genuine question: May I ask how you interpret Trolleys, and what you consider to be its message? |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by Balboa on Apr 6, 2015 19:58:26 GMT 1, I love the message. Great print - but much prefer the colour version. This interests me, especially the use of the article "the". Genuine question: May I ask how you interpret Trolleys, and what you consider to be its message?
I love the message. Great print - but much prefer the colour version. This interests me, especially the use of the article "the". Genuine question: May I ask how you interpret Trolleys, and what you consider to be its message? I believe it is a (perhaps sarcastic) reference to the fact we've evolved from hunter-gatherers to pushing trolleys around a supermarket. |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by met on Apr 6, 2015 21:42:41 GMT 1, This interests me, especially the use of the article "the". Genuine question: May I ask how you interpret Trolleys, and what you consider to be its message? I believe it is a (perhaps sarcastic) reference to the fact we've evolved from hunter-gatherers to pushing trolleys around a supermarket.
In the image, the trolleys themselves are shown as a family of animals (complete with the noticeably smaller young offspring) being stalked by three hunters.
It's this particular aspect of Trolleys that has never been completely satisfactory for me from a conceptual standpoint.
Given the manner in which shopping trolleys are used in modern-day consumer culture, idea-wise it would seem to make more sense if the trolleys were somehow portrayed as newly discovered weapons or tools for hunting and gathering, rather than as prey.
I do however appreciate that such an alternative depiction would probably have significantly less visual appeal.
This interests me, especially the use of the article "the". Genuine question: May I ask how you interpret Trolleys, and what you consider to be its message? I believe it is a (perhaps sarcastic) reference to the fact we've evolved from hunter-gatherers to pushing trolleys around a supermarket. In the image, the trolleys themselves are shown as a family of animals (complete with the noticeably smaller young offspring) being stalked by three hunters. It's this particular aspect of Trolleys that has never been completely satisfactory for me from a conceptual standpoint. Given the manner in which shopping trolleys are used in modern-day consumer culture, idea-wise it would seem to make more sense if the trolleys were somehow portrayed as newly discovered weapons or tools for hunting and gathering, rather than as prey. I do however appreciate that such an alternative depiction would probably have significantly less visual appeal. |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by Oski on Apr 7, 2015 5:58:00 GMT 1, I personally believe the color Trolley Hunters to be one of the finest prints produced by Banksy for the following reasons:
1. It is fundamentally the best compositionally from a classical perspective (i.e. foreground, middle ground, and background elements; 2/3 to 1/3 relationship of the sky and earth).
2. The wry commentary on modern consumer culture. Hunting and gathering of food has evolved to the supermarket/grocers.
3. Contrast of the aboriginal with modernity.
4. I just really like the blue and tan colors used for the print.
5. The image itself and color field fill almost the entire surface of the print itself, unlike most of Banksy's other work.
6. At 22"x30", it's a great size...not too big and not too small. It's also the same size as Morons from the same year.
I'm just glad it's relatively affordable due to the larger edition size. But I always knew this was going to be one of the handful of Banksy prints I wanted to own.
I personally believe the color Trolley Hunters to be one of the finest prints produced by Banksy for the following reasons:
1. It is fundamentally the best compositionally from a classical perspective (i.e. foreground, middle ground, and background elements; 2/3 to 1/3 relationship of the sky and earth).
2. The wry commentary on modern consumer culture. Hunting and gathering of food has evolved to the supermarket/grocers.
3. Contrast of the aboriginal with modernity.
4. I just really like the blue and tan colors used for the print.
5. The image itself and color field fill almost the entire surface of the print itself, unlike most of Banksy's other work.
6. At 22"x30", it's a great size...not too big and not too small. It's also the same size as Morons from the same year.
I'm just glad it's relatively affordable due to the larger edition size. But I always knew this was going to be one of the handful of Banksy prints I wanted to own.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by daveyuk on Apr 7, 2015 15:41:52 GMT 1, Anyone know the story behind the different tools - the axe or the spike in the hand of the right hand guy? Was it simply to differentiate between the LA show release and the POW release? Seems unlikely as they were printed on different paper - the US version being slightly cream paper.(I prefer the axe). Any theories?
Anyone know the story behind the different tools - the axe or the spike in the hand of the right hand guy? Was it simply to differentiate between the LA show release and the POW release? Seems unlikely as they were printed on different paper - the US version being slightly cream paper.(I prefer the axe). Any theories?
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by met on Apr 8, 2015 3:49:28 GMT 1, I personally believe the color Trolley Hunters to be one of the finest prints produced by Banksy for the following reasons: 1. It is fundamentally the best compositionally from a classical perspective (i.e. foreground, middle ground, and background elements; 2/3 to 1/3 relationship of the sky and earth). 2. The wry commentary on modern consumer culture. Hunting and gathering of food has evolved to the supermarket/grocers. 3. Contrast of the aboriginal with modernity. 4. I just really like the blue and tan colors used for the print. 5. The image itself and color field fill almost the entire surface of the print itself, unlike most of Banksy's other work. 6. At 22"x30", it's a great size...not too big and not too small. It's also the same size as Morons from the same year. I'm just glad it's relatively affordable due to the larger edition size. But I always knew this was going to be one of the handful of Banksy prints I wanted to own.
It's good to read some actual opinions about artwork.
With respect to your reason 1, while I don't disagree, I'd argue there are few Banksy print images that would qualify as classical compositions in the sense you've described — and therefore few images to choose from if this criterion is applied. For me, his greater strength also lies with flat, more 2D-graphic and less conventional compositions.
Although I'd group reasons 2 and 3 together because of their interdependence, I understand the distinction you're making between them.
As a minor comment on reason 5, I would disagree with the reference to "unlike most of Banksy's other work." I haven't counted but suspect at least half of the artist's print images have colour fields filling up the print surface (bar the white borders).
What are your thoughts on the point I made earlier regarding the shopping trolleys being depicted as prey (which, purely in conceptual terms, I feel is slightly flawed for the reason described)?
I personally believe the color Trolley Hunters to be one of the finest prints produced by Banksy for the following reasons: 1. It is fundamentally the best compositionally from a classical perspective (i.e. foreground, middle ground, and background elements; 2/3 to 1/3 relationship of the sky and earth). 2. The wry commentary on modern consumer culture. Hunting and gathering of food has evolved to the supermarket/grocers. 3. Contrast of the aboriginal with modernity. 4. I just really like the blue and tan colors used for the print. 5. The image itself and color field fill almost the entire surface of the print itself, unlike most of Banksy's other work. 6. At 22"x30", it's a great size...not too big and not too small. It's also the same size as Morons from the same year. I'm just glad it's relatively affordable due to the larger edition size. But I always knew this was going to be one of the handful of Banksy prints I wanted to own. It's good to read some actual opinions about artwork. With respect to your reason 1, while I don't disagree, I'd argue there are few Banksy print images that would qualify as classical compositions in the sense you've described — and therefore few images to choose from if this criterion is applied. For me, his greater strength also lies with flat, more 2D-graphic and less conventional compositions. Although I'd group reasons 2 and 3 together because of their interdependence, I understand the distinction you're making between them. As a minor comment on reason 5, I would disagree with the reference to "unlike most of Banksy's other work." I haven't counted but suspect at least half of the artist's print images have colour fields filling up the print surface (bar the white borders). What are your thoughts on the point I made earlier regarding the shopping trolleys being depicted as prey (which, purely in conceptual terms, I feel is slightly flawed for the reason described)? |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by met on Apr 8, 2015 4:27:10 GMT 1, Anyone know the story behind the different tools - the axe or the spike in the hand of the right hand guy? Was it simply to differentiate between the LA show release and the POW release? Seems unlikely as they were printed on different paper - the US version being slightly cream paper.(I prefer the axe). Any theories?
It's likely that any changes subsequently made to Trolleys constitute improvements in the eyes of Banksy. At the very least, the differences offer an alternative version of the image which the artist considered desirable to release as well.
Remember that the Los Angeles prints were produced within an especially short timeframe and while the Barely Legal exhibition was being completed — no doubt a stressful period. There probably would have been little time for playing around with, tweaking and perfecting the print images in LA.
The other LA prints images later released by Pictures On Walls also featured slight changes to the versions produced by Modern Multiples.
Anyone know the story behind the different tools - the axe or the spike in the hand of the right hand guy? Was it simply to differentiate between the LA show release and the POW release? Seems unlikely as they were printed on different paper - the US version being slightly cream paper.(I prefer the axe). Any theories? It's likely that any changes subsequently made to Trolleys constitute improvements in the eyes of Banksy. At the very least, the differences offer an alternative version of the image which the artist considered desirable to release as well. Remember that the Los Angeles prints were produced within an especially short timeframe and while the Barely Legal exhibition was being completed — no doubt a stressful period. There probably would have been little time for playing around with, tweaking and perfecting the print images in LA. The other LA prints images later released by Pictures On Walls also featured slight changes to the versions produced by Modern Multiples. |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by trees on Apr 8, 2015 4:50:56 GMT 1, Anyone know the story behind the different tools - the axe or the spike in the hand of the right hand guy? Was it simply to differentiate between the LA show release and the POW release? Seems unlikely as they were printed on different paper - the US version being slightly cream paper.(I prefer the axe). Any theories? It's likely that any changes subsequently made to Trolleys constitute improvements in the eyes of Banksy. At the very least, the differences offer an alternative version of the image which the artist considered desirable to release as well. Remember that the Los Angeles prints were produced within an especially short timeframe and while the Barely Legal exhibition was being completed — no doubt a stressful period. There probably would have been little time for playing around with, tweaking and perfecting the print images in LA. The other LA prints images later released by Pictures On Walls also featured slight changes to the versions produced by Modern Multiples.
Heres a mini-documentary showing the process at Modern Multiples for the Barely Legal show. Pretty interesting for those that haven't seen it
Anyone know the story behind the different tools - the axe or the spike in the hand of the right hand guy? Was it simply to differentiate between the LA show release and the POW release? Seems unlikely as they were printed on different paper - the US version being slightly cream paper.(I prefer the axe). Any theories? It's likely that any changes subsequently made to Trolleys constitute improvements in the eyes of Banksy. At the very least, the differences offer an alternative version of the image which the artist considered desirable to release as well. Remember that the Los Angeles prints were produced within an especially short timeframe and while the Barely Legal exhibition was being completed — no doubt a stressful period. There probably would have been little time for playing around with, tweaking and perfecting the print images in LA. The other LA prints images later released by Pictures On Walls also featured slight changes to the versions produced by Modern Multiples. Heres a mini-documentary showing the process at Modern Multiples for the Barely Legal show. Pretty interesting for those that haven't seen it |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by Oski on Apr 8, 2015 6:01:50 GMT 1, I personally believe the color Trolley Hunters to be one of the finest prints produced by Banksy for the following reasons: 1. It is fundamentally the best compositionally from a classical perspective (i.e. foreground, middle ground, and background elements; 2/3 to 1/3 relationship of the sky and earth). 2. The wry commentary on modern consumer culture. Hunting and gathering of food has evolved to the supermarket/grocers. 3. Contrast of the aboriginal with modernity. 4. I just really like the blue and tan colors used for the print. 5. The image itself and color field fill almost the entire surface of the print itself, unlike most of Banksy's other work. 6. At 22"x30", it's a great size...not too big and not too small. It's also the same size as Morons from the same year. I'm just glad it's relatively affordable due to the larger edition size. But I always knew this was going to be one of the handful of Banksy prints I wanted to own. It's good to read some actual opinions about artwork. With respect to your reason 1, while I don't disagree, I'd argue there are few Banksy print images that would qualify as classical compositions in the sense you've described — and therefore few images to choose from if this criterion is applied. For me, his greater strength also lies with flat, more 2D-graphic and less conventional compositions. Although I'd group reasons 2 and 3 together because of their interdependence, I understand the distinction you're making between them. As a minor comment on reason 5, I would disagree with the reference to "unlike most of Banksy's other work." I haven't counted but suspect at least half of the artist's print images have colour fields filling up the print surface (bar the white borders). What are your thoughts on the point I made earlier regarding the shopping trolleys being depicted as prey (which, purely in conceptual terms, I feel is slightly flawed for the reason described)?
With regards to your point on the shopping trolleys being depicted as prey, I actually quite like it. Similar to the animals they replace, trolleys can be found roaming freely across suburban shopping centers. The conceptual flaw is in the fact they are empty, therefore not actually providing sustenance to the hunters...but I believe that to be (1) a purely graphical choice by Banksy, (2) an expectation that we can draw the allusion without the details, and (3) perhaps an existential comment on the emptiness and vapidness of modern living/survival.
I personally believe the color Trolley Hunters to be one of the finest prints produced by Banksy for the following reasons: 1. It is fundamentally the best compositionally from a classical perspective (i.e. foreground, middle ground, and background elements; 2/3 to 1/3 relationship of the sky and earth). 2. The wry commentary on modern consumer culture. Hunting and gathering of food has evolved to the supermarket/grocers. 3. Contrast of the aboriginal with modernity. 4. I just really like the blue and tan colors used for the print. 5. The image itself and color field fill almost the entire surface of the print itself, unlike most of Banksy's other work. 6. At 22"x30", it's a great size...not too big and not too small. It's also the same size as Morons from the same year. I'm just glad it's relatively affordable due to the larger edition size. But I always knew this was going to be one of the handful of Banksy prints I wanted to own. It's good to read some actual opinions about artwork. With respect to your reason 1, while I don't disagree, I'd argue there are few Banksy print images that would qualify as classical compositions in the sense you've described — and therefore few images to choose from if this criterion is applied. For me, his greater strength also lies with flat, more 2D-graphic and less conventional compositions. Although I'd group reasons 2 and 3 together because of their interdependence, I understand the distinction you're making between them. As a minor comment on reason 5, I would disagree with the reference to "unlike most of Banksy's other work." I haven't counted but suspect at least half of the artist's print images have colour fields filling up the print surface (bar the white borders). What are your thoughts on the point I made earlier regarding the shopping trolleys being depicted as prey (which, purely in conceptual terms, I feel is slightly flawed for the reason described)? , I've always enjoyed reading your posts, which are well thought out, articulate, and often filled with great wit and humor. With regards to your point on the shopping trolleys being depicted as prey, I actually quite like it. Similar to the animals they replace, trolleys can be found roaming freely across suburban shopping centers. The conceptual flaw is in the fact they are empty, therefore not actually providing sustenance to the hunters...but I believe that to be (1) a purely graphical choice by Banksy, (2) an expectation that we can draw the allusion without the details, and (3) perhaps an existential comment on the emptiness and vapidness of modern living/survival. |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by Dr Plip on Apr 8, 2015 9:20:34 GMT 1, I believe it is a (perhaps sarcastic) reference to the fact we've evolved from hunter-gatherers to pushing trolleys around a supermarket. In the image, the trolleys themselves are shown as a family of animals (complete with the noticeably smaller young offspring) being stalked by three hunters. It's this particular aspect of Trolleys that has never been completely satisfactory for me from a conceptual standpoint. Given the manner in which shopping trolleys are used in modern-day consumer culture, idea-wise it would seem to make more sense if the trolleys were somehow portrayed as newly discovered weapons or tools for hunting and gathering, rather than as prey. I do however appreciate that such an alternative depiction would probably have significantly less visual appeal.
I believe it is a (perhaps sarcastic) reference to the fact we've evolved from hunter-gatherers to pushing trolleys around a supermarket. In the image, the trolleys themselves are shown as a family of animals (complete with the noticeably smaller young offspring) being stalked by three hunters. It's this particular aspect of Trolleys that has never been completely satisfactory for me from a conceptual standpoint. Given the manner in which shopping trolleys are used in modern-day consumer culture, idea-wise it would seem to make more sense if the trolleys were somehow portrayed as newly discovered weapons or tools for hunting and gathering, rather than as prey. I do however appreciate that such an alternative depiction would probably have significantly less visual appeal. Do you mean an image of a Neolithic individual chiselling a shopping trolley out of stone? With perhaps another individual next to them, chiselling cereal boxes and cans? |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by otomi on Apr 8, 2015 10:31:25 GMT 1, Let's not over-think it.
The original in the museum needed a clue that it is a fake, so B could see if anyone would notice. Some of his additions to museums were up for days - meaning no one actually looks at the items on display.
The print just developed out of that idea. Shopping carts are universal images for consumerism and street art in it's beginning wasn't very subtle.
That's my take
Let's not over-think it. The original in the museum needed a clue that it is a fake, so B could see if anyone would notice. Some of his additions to museums were up for days - meaning no one actually looks at the items on display. The print just developed out of that idea. Shopping carts are universal images for consumerism and street art in it's beginning wasn't very subtle. That's my take |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by daveyuk on Apr 8, 2015 12:07:40 GMT 1, There's a fascinating bit about the spray dodging of the 'Sale Ends Today' print at 9 mins 35 sec in the Modern Multiples video. I wonder how they did it...
There's a fascinating bit about the spray dodging of the 'Sale Ends Today' print at 9 mins 35 sec in the Modern Multiples video. I wonder how they did it... |
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met
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by met on Apr 15, 2015 3:45:45 GMT 1, It's good to read some actual opinions about artwork. With respect to your reason 1, while I don't disagree, I'd argue there are few Banksy print images that would qualify as classical compositions in the sense you've described — and therefore few images to choose from if this criterion is applied. For me, his greater strength also lies with flat, more 2D-graphic and less conventional compositions. Although I'd group reasons 2 and 3 together because of their interdependence, I understand the distinction you're making between them. As a minor comment on reason 5, I would disagree with the reference to "unlike most of Banksy's other work." I haven't counted but suspect at least half of the artist's print images have colour fields filling up the print surface (bar the white borders). What are your thoughts on the point I made earlier regarding the shopping trolleys being depicted as prey (which, purely in conceptual terms, I feel is slightly flawed for the reason described)? , I've always enjoyed reading your posts, which are well thought out, articulate, and often filled with great wit and humor. With regards to your point on the shopping trolleys being depicted as prey, I actually quite like it. Similar to the animals they replace, trolleys can be found roaming freely across suburban shopping centers. The conceptual flaw is in the fact they are empty, therefore not actually providing sustenance to the hunters...but I believe that to be (1) a purely graphical choice by Banksy, (2) an expectation that we can draw the allusion without the details, and (3) perhaps an existential comment on the emptiness and vapidness of modern living/survival.
Very good points.
I would add that point (1) and especially point (2) rely upon an assumption that the artist was conscious of the conceptual flaw at the time he created the image.
It's also worth mentioning that this whole notion of conceptual flaw is itself based on a perhaps false assumption about the idea Banksy intended to convey.
It's good to read some actual opinions about artwork. With respect to your reason 1, while I don't disagree, I'd argue there are few Banksy print images that would qualify as classical compositions in the sense you've described — and therefore few images to choose from if this criterion is applied. For me, his greater strength also lies with flat, more 2D-graphic and less conventional compositions. Although I'd group reasons 2 and 3 together because of their interdependence, I understand the distinction you're making between them. As a minor comment on reason 5, I would disagree with the reference to "unlike most of Banksy's other work." I haven't counted but suspect at least half of the artist's print images have colour fields filling up the print surface (bar the white borders). What are your thoughts on the point I made earlier regarding the shopping trolleys being depicted as prey (which, purely in conceptual terms, I feel is slightly flawed for the reason described)? , I've always enjoyed reading your posts, which are well thought out, articulate, and often filled with great wit and humor. With regards to your point on the shopping trolleys being depicted as prey, I actually quite like it. Similar to the animals they replace, trolleys can be found roaming freely across suburban shopping centers. The conceptual flaw is in the fact they are empty, therefore not actually providing sustenance to the hunters...but I believe that to be (1) a purely graphical choice by Banksy, (2) an expectation that we can draw the allusion without the details, and (3) perhaps an existential comment on the emptiness and vapidness of modern living/survival. Very good points. I would add that point (1) and especially point (2) rely upon an assumption that the artist was conscious of the conceptual flaw at the time he created the image. It's also worth mentioning that this whole notion of conceptual flaw is itself based on a perhaps false assumption about the idea Banksy intended to convey. |
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met
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters Coloured , by met on Apr 15, 2015 3:58:33 GMT 1, In the image, the trolleys themselves are shown as a family of animals (complete with the noticeably smaller young offspring) being stalked by three hunters. It's this particular aspect of Trolleys that has never been completely satisfactory for me from a conceptual standpoint. Given the manner in which shopping trolleys are used in modern-day consumer culture, idea-wise it would seem to make more sense if the trolleys were somehow portrayed as newly discovered weapons or tools for hunting and gathering, rather than as prey. I do however appreciate that such an alternative depiction would probably have significantly less visual appeal. Do you mean an image of a Neolithic individual chiselling a shopping trolley out of stone? With perhaps another individual next to them, chiselling cereal boxes and cans?
Regarding the chiselling of a shopping trolley out of stone, yes, that idea would indeed work.
I'm less convinced about the chiselling of cereal boxes and cans.
In the image, the trolleys themselves are shown as a family of animals (complete with the noticeably smaller young offspring) being stalked by three hunters. It's this particular aspect of Trolleys that has never been completely satisfactory for me from a conceptual standpoint. Given the manner in which shopping trolleys are used in modern-day consumer culture, idea-wise it would seem to make more sense if the trolleys were somehow portrayed as newly discovered weapons or tools for hunting and gathering, rather than as prey. I do however appreciate that such an alternative depiction would probably have significantly less visual appeal. Do you mean an image of a Neolithic individual chiselling a shopping trolley out of stone? With perhaps another individual next to them, chiselling cereal boxes and cans? Regarding the chiselling of a shopping trolley out of stone, yes, that idea would indeed work. I'm less convinced about the chiselling of cereal boxes and cans. |
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G/L with the sale.
