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New BANKSY stall, by iamzero on Nov 7, 2018 12:03:26 GMT 1, So the paper is 420mm X 590mm... what’s the image size?
So the paper is 420mm X 590mm... what’s the image size?
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New BANKSY stall, by Hubble Bubble on Nov 7, 2018 12:03:54 GMT 1, From experience most like 300dpi but as said in the previous thread it’s not essential for a good image reproduction and many times anything over 150dpi is good enough. Sometimes printers prepress setting can affect things massively. Converting a jpeg to a tiff can also affect colour reproduction to. I created a Get Carter film poster once that when printed from the JPEG was spot one but the Tiff printed as a purple?
From experience most like 300dpi but as said in the previous thread it’s not essential for a good image reproduction and many times anything over 150dpi is good enough. Sometimes printers prepress setting can affect things massively. Converting a jpeg to a tiff can also affect colour reproduction to. I created a Get Carter film poster once that when printed from the JPEG was spot one but the Tiff printed as a purple? Y'see, as far as printing goes I'm a big man but I'm out of shape with these things... for you... it's a full time job! |
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New BANKSY stall, by Happy Shopper on Nov 7, 2018 12:04:28 GMT 1, Just looking at the comments on instagram and it seems the old quote: "People either love me or hate me or don't really care" has been amplified by about a million. Stirred a few souls it seems with this stunt
It's a risky move to pick a side in a conflict like this one. Clearly it's polarising and going to piss off a lot of potential fans/buyers of his work.
Just shows how little he cares about pleasing everyone and his "market".
There was speculation that some artists, Tracy Emin I think it was, pulled out of doing posters for the Hoping For Palestine event held at The Roundhouse for this reason.
Sad if artists feel they can't express their feelings (which should be the reason for their art) for fear of losing money!
Just looking at the comments on instagram and it seems the old quote: "People either love me or hate me or don't really care" has been amplified by about a million. Stirred a few souls it seems with this stunt It's a risky move to pick a side in a conflict like this one. Clearly it's polarising and going to piss off a lot of potential fans/buyers of his work. Just shows how little he cares about pleasing everyone and his "market". There was speculation that some artists, Tracy Emin I think it was, pulled out of doing posters for the Hoping For Palestine event held at The Roundhouse for this reason. Sad if artists feel they can't express their feelings (which should be the reason for their art) for fear of losing money! |
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New BANKSY stall, by Happy Shopper on Nov 7, 2018 12:07:15 GMT 1, For those interested in doing their own print outs, I just did a little test on the office colour printer. Here's some comparisons between printing at actual size, and reduced to 59x47cm (apparently the size of the posters at the fair... Can someone confirm?) At actual size you can clearly see pixels. At 59x47cm (roughly 150dpi) it looks pretty good... And I can easily believe this is how the real ones are printed. Posters aren't always printed at 300dpi, as they're seen from a distance and not held to close scrutiny... and other Banksy posters I own aren't pin sharp either (Cans Festival, etc) It's 42cm X 59cm 😉
Thanks. That matches the proportions of the file actually. 47cm was a mistake by me!!!
For those interested in doing their own print outs, I just did a little test on the office colour printer. Here's some comparisons between printing at actual size, and reduced to 59x47cm (apparently the size of the posters at the fair... Can someone confirm?) At actual size you can clearly see pixels. At 59x47cm (roughly 150dpi) it looks pretty good... And I can easily believe this is how the real ones are printed. Posters aren't always printed at 300dpi, as they're seen from a distance and not held to close scrutiny... and other Banksy posters I own aren't pin sharp either (Cans Festival, etc) It's 42cm X 59cm 😉 Thanks. That matches the proportions of the file actually. 47cm was a mistake by me!!! |
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New BANKSY stall, by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 12:09:28 GMT 1, I can understand artists's reticence. Supporting Palestine is considered hip and cool these days. But what if Banksy, for example, wanted to support Israel? I wonder if there would be quite the same support amongst fans and in the media.
I can understand artists's reticence. Supporting Palestine is considered hip and cool these days. But what if Banksy, for example, wanted to support Israel? I wonder if there would be quite the same support amongst fans and in the media.
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New BANKSY stall, by Carl Cashman on Nov 7, 2018 12:13:44 GMT 1, The following statement is me as a forum member - not as a Forum Guardian There are only 2 sides in this conflict - either you are Pro Palestinian or you are Pro Israel and Banksy has definitely taken sides and has demonstrated over the course of several years that he is Pro Palestine. In the long run, this will not be good for his career, as he has now isolated a large chuck of his collector base.
If a socially/political Artists avoids talking about a cause just to stop a couple of potential collectors being put off... then he/she is a coward and a fraud.
The following statement is me as a forum member - not as a Forum Guardian There are only 2 sides in this conflict - either you are Pro Palestinian or you are Pro Israel and Banksy has definitely taken sides and has demonstrated over the course of several years that he is Pro Palestine. In the long run, this will not be good for his career, as he has now isolated a large chuck of his collector base. Anti Israel doesn't make you anti Jewish. The sort of person that is put off of buying art, because the artists is against the barbaric treatment of a certain group of people... has probably already decided to not collect work by a seemingly obvious left leaving human. If a socially/political Artists avoids talking about a cause just to stop a couple of potential collectors being put off... then he/she is a coward and a fraud. |
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New BANKSY stall, by skAcid on Nov 7, 2018 12:14:21 GMT 1, It's 42cm X 59cm 😉 sure ? skAcid
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New BANKSY stall, by iamzero on Nov 7, 2018 12:14:54 GMT 1, From experience most like 300dpi but as said in the previous thread it’s not essential for a good image reproduction and many times anything over 150dpi is good enough. Sometimes printers prepress setting can affect things massively. Converting a jpeg to a tiff can also affect colour reproduction to. I created a Get Carter film poster once that when printed from the JPEG was spot one but the Tiff printed as a purple? Y'see, as far as printing goes I'm a big man but I'm out of shape with these things... for you... it's a full time job!
Possibly one of the best Caine lines ever.
From experience most like 300dpi but as said in the previous thread it’s not essential for a good image reproduction and many times anything over 150dpi is good enough. Sometimes printers prepress setting can affect things massively. Converting a jpeg to a tiff can also affect colour reproduction to. I created a Get Carter film poster once that when printed from the JPEG was spot one but the Tiff printed as a purple? Y'see, as far as printing goes I'm a big man but I'm out of shape with these things... for you... it's a full time job! Possibly one of the best Caine lines ever. |
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New BANKSY stall, by Chris JL on Nov 7, 2018 12:29:23 GMT 1, I can understand artists's reticence. Supporting Palestine is considered hip and cool these days. But what if Banksy, for example, wanted to support Israel? I wonder if there would be quite the same support amongst fans and in the media.
Based on his past work and history, it would not make much sense at all...
The ones surprised by him being against apartheid and the illegal wall clearly haven’t been paying much attention...
I can understand artists's reticence. Supporting Palestine is considered hip and cool these days. But what if Banksy, for example, wanted to support Israel? I wonder if there would be quite the same support amongst fans and in the media. Based on his past work and history, it would not make much sense at all... The ones surprised by him being against apartheid and the illegal wall clearly haven’t been paying much attention... |
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New BANKSY stall, by GMA on Nov 7, 2018 12:39:42 GMT 1, What has been nice with Banksy giving us a downloadable file of this print is being able to zoom in on some of the detail. It's great seeing some of the expressions on the faces of the children and being able to look around the image itself, up close and personal.
What has been nice with Banksy giving us a downloadable file of this print is being able to zoom in on some of the detail. It's great seeing some of the expressions on the faces of the children and being able to look around the image itself, up close and personal.
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New BANKSY stall, by Lroy on Nov 7, 2018 12:44:22 GMT 1, What has been nice with Banksy giving us a downloadable file of this print is being able to zoom in on some of the detail. It's great seeing some of the expressions on the faces of the children and being able to look around the image itself, up close and personal. did you recognize me crying " wooooooo " ?
I am the 3 on the right with the arms outstretched ( wow, thank yoy google translation ! ), imitating the plane ....
What has been nice with Banksy giving us a downloadable file of this print is being able to zoom in on some of the detail. It's great seeing some of the expressions on the faces of the children and being able to look around the image itself, up close and personal. did you recognize me crying " wooooooo " ?
I am the 3 on the right with the arms outstretched ( wow, thank yoy google translation ! ), imitating the plane ....
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New BANKSY stall, by Carl Cashman on Nov 7, 2018 12:46:35 GMT 1, I can understand artists's reticence. Supporting Palestine is considered hip and cool these days. But what if Banksy, for example, wanted to support Israel? I wonder if there would be quite the same support amongst fans and in the media. Based on his past work and history, it would not make much sense at all... The ones surprised by him being against apartheid and the illegal wall clearly haven’t been paying much attention...
This PC caring tripe is so cliche
I can understand artists's reticence. Supporting Palestine is considered hip and cool these days. But what if Banksy, for example, wanted to support Israel? I wonder if there would be quite the same support amongst fans and in the media. Based on his past work and history, it would not make much sense at all... The ones surprised by him being against apartheid and the illegal wall clearly haven’t been paying much attention... Yeah it's very hip to look at images of people being slaughtered and take offence by it. I long for the days when we could share videos on social media of pregnant women being shot in the belly and have a good old giggle. This PC caring tripe is so cliche |
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New BANKSY stall, by Happy Shopper on Nov 7, 2018 12:49:31 GMT 1, I can understand artists's reticence. Supporting Palestine is considered hip and cool these days. But what if Banksy, for example, wanted to support Israel? I wonder if there would be quite the same support amongst fans and in the media.
There would be the same support amongst fans that agree with him, and the same negative reaction from fans that don't.
That's all that would happen.
But, I think most (maybe) fans of Banksy are fairly lefty and like him because he's also a bit lefty.
It's a bit like asking James Brown fans if they'd still like him if he played Heavy Metal.
I can understand artists's reticence. Supporting Palestine is considered hip and cool these days. But what if Banksy, for example, wanted to support Israel? I wonder if there would be quite the same support amongst fans and in the media. There would be the same support amongst fans that agree with him, and the same negative reaction from fans that don't. That's all that would happen. But, I think most (maybe) fans of Banksy are fairly lefty and like him because he's also a bit lefty. It's a bit like asking James Brown fans if they'd still like him if he played Heavy Metal. |
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New BANKSY stall, by kaos on Nov 7, 2018 12:50:37 GMT 1, The following statement is me as a forum member - not as a Forum Guardian There are only 2 sides in this conflict - either you are Pro Palestinian or you are Pro Israel and Banksy has definitely taken sides and has demonstrated over the course of several years that he is Pro Palestine. In the long run, this will not be good for his career, as he has now isolated a large chuck of his collector base.
That's my two cents.
The following statement is me as a forum member - not as a Forum Guardian There are only 2 sides in this conflict - either you are Pro Palestinian or you are Pro Israel and Banksy has definitely taken sides and has demonstrated over the course of several years that he is Pro Palestine. In the long run, this will not be good for his career, as he has now isolated a large chuck of his collector base. I see your point Wearology and given some of the very loud noises out there particularly at the moment it's a natural conclusion to draw. But at the end of the day money talks. Banksy has firmly established himself as a blue chip artist and those with power, those who would or could put a chink in the Banksy armour don't care about petty politics so long as they are making money. And those who do care are small fry and will not make any difference to Banksy's standing only their own. Looking at the posts on Banksy's instagram the people who are making all the noise and publicly saying 'I am unfollowing', I have not seen one say I am binning my collection. That's my two cents. |
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New BANKSY stall, by .dappy on Nov 7, 2018 12:56:22 GMT 1, 'But, I think most (maybe) fans of Banksy are fairly lefty and like him because he's also a bit lefty'
... you don't have to be 'lefty' to want justice and compassion for people ...
... I get what you are saying though ...
'But, I think most (maybe) fans of Banksy are fairly lefty and like him because he's also a bit lefty'
... you don't have to be 'lefty' to want justice and compassion for people ...
... I get what you are saying though ...
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New BANKSY stall, by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 12:57:51 GMT 1, I can understand artists's reticence. Supporting Palestine is considered hip and cool these days. But what if Banksy, for example, wanted to support Israel? I wonder if there would be quite the same support amongst fans and in the media. Based on his past work and history, it would not make much sense at all... The ones surprised by him being against apartheid and the illegal wall clearly haven’t been paying much attention...
I can understand artists's reticence. Supporting Palestine is considered hip and cool these days. But what if Banksy, for example, wanted to support Israel? I wonder if there would be quite the same support amongst fans and in the media. Based on his past work and history, it would not make much sense at all... The ones surprised by him being against apartheid and the illegal wall clearly haven’t been paying much attention... I used Banksy as an example. What if (insert favourite urban artist) wanted to support Israel rather than Palestine? Would fans find that acceptable? Would they support his/her right to free expression? |
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New BANKSY stall, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 7, 2018 13:04:02 GMT 1, So like one of my first posts said why does the Instagram post including 'free giveaways'? What does it add to the art? I guess it depends on your view of what ‘the art’ is, in this case. If the intention of this stunt is to raise awareness of the hotel, or of Palestine as a destination, or of ‘the cause’ as a whole, then you would agree that getting as much attention (traditional media / social media / whatever) as possible would be the ultimate aim. By announcing ‘free giveaways’ he/she/they can harness the inherent greed / collectibility / whatever that seems to accompany everything he/she/it touches (no offence intended to anyone who attended), pretty much guaranteeing a large attendance and associated coverage. You made the point that if he didn’t announce free giveaways, but simply allowed news of their existence to be shared organically, he/she/it would have achieved the same effect. That may be true, but considering this is a two day event, you might concede that announcing the giveaways in advance would guarantee an immediate impact. So if ‘the art’ in this case is causing a stir worthy of coverage, announcing ‘free stuff here come and queue up’ was surely the most obvious way of maximising its effect. Or he just likes giving away pencils. Who knows...
This seems logical. I get it. But here's my problem. The hype doesn't become about the hotel, nor the subject of the Palestine conflict. It becomes about the artist and the freebies.
Maybe it's banksy fans that are the problem but the artist steers into it headfirst. There's most pages discussing pixels in this thread then the conflict or the hotel.
Everyone keeps saying it's about bringing awareness to Palestine but that's not what it's doing. It's bringing attention to Banksy.
So like one of my first posts said why does the Instagram post including 'free giveaways'? What does it add to the art? I guess it depends on your view of what ‘the art’ is, in this case. If the intention of this stunt is to raise awareness of the hotel, or of Palestine as a destination, or of ‘the cause’ as a whole, then you would agree that getting as much attention (traditional media / social media / whatever) as possible would be the ultimate aim. By announcing ‘free giveaways’ he/she/they can harness the inherent greed / collectibility / whatever that seems to accompany everything he/she/it touches (no offence intended to anyone who attended), pretty much guaranteeing a large attendance and associated coverage. You made the point that if he didn’t announce free giveaways, but simply allowed news of their existence to be shared organically, he/she/it would have achieved the same effect. That may be true, but considering this is a two day event, you might concede that announcing the giveaways in advance would guarantee an immediate impact. So if ‘the art’ in this case is causing a stir worthy of coverage, announcing ‘free stuff here come and queue up’ was surely the most obvious way of maximising its effect. Or he just likes giving away pencils. Who knows... This seems logical. I get it. But here's my problem. The hype doesn't become about the hotel, nor the subject of the Palestine conflict. It becomes about the artist and the freebies. Maybe it's banksy fans that are the problem but the artist steers into it headfirst. There's most pages discussing pixels in this thread then the conflict or the hotel. Everyone keeps saying it's about bringing awareness to Palestine but that's not what it's doing. It's bringing attention to Banksy. |
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New BANKSY stall, by kaos on Nov 7, 2018 13:05:32 GMT 1, I can understand artists's reticence. Supporting Palestine is considered hip and cool these days. But what if Banksy, for example, wanted to support Israel? I wonder if there would be quite the same support amongst fans and in the media. There would be the same support amongst fans that agree with him, and the same negative reaction from fans that don't. That's all that would happen. But, I think most (maybe) fans of Banksy are fairly lefty and like him because he's also a bit lefty. It's a bit like asking James Brown fans if they'd still like him if he played Heavy Metal.
I can understand artists's reticence. Supporting Palestine is considered hip and cool these days. But what if Banksy, for example, wanted to support Israel? I wonder if there would be quite the same support amongst fans and in the media. There would be the same support amongst fans that agree with him, and the same negative reaction from fans that don't. That's all that would happen. But, I think most (maybe) fans of Banksy are fairly lefty and like him because he's also a bit lefty. It's a bit like asking James Brown fans if they'd still like him if he played Heavy Metal. I am not sure exactly what my politics are but I've never understood this notion that to show compassion or humanity makes you 'lefty'. I support those who need my help it does not matter to me what their nationality, religion, sex or politics and I love Banksy's art and collect his work if that makes me 'lefty' then so be it. |
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New BANKSY stall, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 7, 2018 13:10:07 GMT 1, Based on his past work and history, it would not make much sense at all... The ones surprised by him being against apartheid and the illegal wall clearly haven’t been paying much attention... I used Banksy as an example. What if (insert favourite urban artist) wanted to support Israel rather than Palestine? Would fans find that acceptable? Would they support his/her right to free expression?
This is why what JR did with his Time piece is remarkable. I'm sure JR has an opinion one way. But the art and the message of the work present both sides to everything in the middle. It becomes about the topic and the work. Not the artist.
This was my concern with the Walled Off early on. It seemed to have outlasted it. But here goes Banksy bring attention to himself. It's contradictory.
Based on his past work and history, it would not make much sense at all... The ones surprised by him being against apartheid and the illegal wall clearly haven’t been paying much attention... I used Banksy as an example. What if (insert favourite urban artist) wanted to support Israel rather than Palestine? Would fans find that acceptable? Would they support his/her right to free expression? This is why what JR did with his Time piece is remarkable. I'm sure JR has an opinion one way. But the art and the message of the work present both sides to everything in the middle. It becomes about the topic and the work. Not the artist. This was my concern with the Walled Off early on. It seemed to have outlasted it. But here goes Banksy bring attention to himself. It's contradictory. |
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New BANKSY stall, by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 13:14:35 GMT 1, I guess it depends on your view of what ‘the art’ is, in this case. If the intention of this stunt is to raise awareness of the hotel, or of Palestine as a destination, or of ‘the cause’ as a whole, then you would agree that getting as much attention (traditional media / social media / whatever) as possible would be the ultimate aim. By announcing ‘free giveaways’ he/she/they can harness the inherent greed / collectibility / whatever that seems to accompany everything he/she/it touches (no offence intended to anyone who attended), pretty much guaranteeing a large attendance and associated coverage. You made the point that if he didn’t announce free giveaways, but simply allowed news of their existence to be shared organically, he/she/it would have achieved the same effect. That may be true, but considering this is a two day event, you might concede that announcing the giveaways in advance would guarantee an immediate impact. So if ‘the art’ in this case is causing a stir worthy of coverage, announcing ‘free stuff here come and queue up’ was surely the most obvious way of maximising its effect. Or he just likes giving away pencils. Who knows... This seems logical. I get it. But here's my problem. The hype doesn't become about the hotel, nor the subject of the Palestine conflict. It becomes about the artist and the freebies. Maybe it's banksy fans that are the problem but the artist steers into it headfirst. There's most pages discussing pixels in this thread then the conflict or the hotel. Everyone keeps saying it's about bringing awareness to Palestine but that's not what it's doing. It's bringing attention to Banksy.
You can say that any famous artist doing something to bring attention to a cause - e.g. the Jonas Wood 'Vote' posters - is primarily bringing attention to the artist, not the cause, but it's not for you, me or anyone else to quantify the success of their efforts. What would you expect from Banksy if he's trying to bring attention to Palestine? What would you consider a success?
I guess it depends on your view of what ‘the art’ is, in this case. If the intention of this stunt is to raise awareness of the hotel, or of Palestine as a destination, or of ‘the cause’ as a whole, then you would agree that getting as much attention (traditional media / social media / whatever) as possible would be the ultimate aim. By announcing ‘free giveaways’ he/she/they can harness the inherent greed / collectibility / whatever that seems to accompany everything he/she/it touches (no offence intended to anyone who attended), pretty much guaranteeing a large attendance and associated coverage. You made the point that if he didn’t announce free giveaways, but simply allowed news of their existence to be shared organically, he/she/it would have achieved the same effect. That may be true, but considering this is a two day event, you might concede that announcing the giveaways in advance would guarantee an immediate impact. So if ‘the art’ in this case is causing a stir worthy of coverage, announcing ‘free stuff here come and queue up’ was surely the most obvious way of maximising its effect. Or he just likes giving away pencils. Who knows... This seems logical. I get it. But here's my problem. The hype doesn't become about the hotel, nor the subject of the Palestine conflict. It becomes about the artist and the freebies. Maybe it's banksy fans that are the problem but the artist steers into it headfirst. There's most pages discussing pixels in this thread then the conflict or the hotel. Everyone keeps saying it's about bringing awareness to Palestine but that's not what it's doing. It's bringing attention to Banksy. You can't control how people respond to something. The print has a message about Palestine written across it. It was given away at a stall promoting the hotel. It's got press coverage. There will be people who ask questions about the hotel, about Palestine and the wall because of seeing this stunt. In that sense Banksy has achieved his aim. There's more attention on it, from people who are interested in his work, than if he'd done nothing. You can say that any famous artist doing something to bring attention to a cause - e.g. the Jonas Wood 'Vote' posters - is primarily bringing attention to the artist, not the cause, but it's not for you, me or anyone else to quantify the success of their efforts. What would you expect from Banksy if he's trying to bring attention to Palestine? What would you consider a success? |
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New BANKSY stall, by Happy Shopper on Nov 7, 2018 13:14:37 GMT 1, 'But, I think most (maybe) fans of Banksy are fairly lefty and like him because he's also a bit lefty' ... you don't have to be 'lefty' to want justice and compassion for people ... ... I get what you are saying though ...
Yes, you're right. The term is a bit of a nonsense and not 100% accurate to all circumstances.
I guess it's generally just an agreement on views between artists and fans of those artists.
'But, I think most (maybe) fans of Banksy are fairly lefty and like him because he's also a bit lefty' ... you don't have to be 'lefty' to want justice and compassion for people ... ... I get what you are saying though ... Yes, you're right. The term is a bit of a nonsense and not 100% accurate to all circumstances. I guess it's generally just an agreement on views between artists and fans of those artists. |
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New BANKSY stall, by Harveyn on Nov 7, 2018 13:22:10 GMT 1, I guess it depends on your view of what ‘the art’ is, in this case. If the intention of this stunt is to raise awareness of the hotel, or of Palestine as a destination, or of ‘the cause’ as a whole, then you would agree that getting as much attention (traditional media / social media / whatever) as possible would be the ultimate aim. By announcing ‘free giveaways’ he/she/they can harness the inherent greed / collectibility / whatever that seems to accompany everything he/she/it touches (no offence intended to anyone who attended), pretty much guaranteeing a large attendance and associated coverage. You made the point that if he didn’t announce free giveaways, but simply allowed news of their existence to be shared organically, he/she/it would have achieved the same effect. That may be true, but considering this is a two day event, you might concede that announcing the giveaways in advance would guarantee an immediate impact. So if ‘the art’ in this case is causing a stir worthy of coverage, announcing ‘free stuff here come and queue up’ was surely the most obvious way of maximising its effect. Or he just likes giving away pencils. Who knows... This seems logical. I get it. But here's my problem. The hype doesn't become about the hotel, nor the subject of the Palestine conflict. It becomes about the artist and the freebies. Maybe it's banksy fans that are the problem but the artist steers into it headfirst. There's most pages discussing pixels in this thread then the conflict or the hotel. Everyone keeps saying it's about bringing awareness to Palestine but that's not what it's doing. It's bringing attention to Banksy.
I think both points are well made and have merit. I would say that the discussion about the artist/print as opposed to Palestine is probably true for this forum but clearly from the artists instagram account the opposite applies. Debate has certainly been stimulated by this act.
I wonder why this event has not has not delivered the same column inches in the national press/news compared to the shredded work at Sothebys?
Probably worthy of discussion in relation to who is pulling the strings when it comes to headline news that influences the general public and potential acts of censorship. Discuss?
I guess it depends on your view of what ‘the art’ is, in this case. If the intention of this stunt is to raise awareness of the hotel, or of Palestine as a destination, or of ‘the cause’ as a whole, then you would agree that getting as much attention (traditional media / social media / whatever) as possible would be the ultimate aim. By announcing ‘free giveaways’ he/she/they can harness the inherent greed / collectibility / whatever that seems to accompany everything he/she/it touches (no offence intended to anyone who attended), pretty much guaranteeing a large attendance and associated coverage. You made the point that if he didn’t announce free giveaways, but simply allowed news of their existence to be shared organically, he/she/it would have achieved the same effect. That may be true, but considering this is a two day event, you might concede that announcing the giveaways in advance would guarantee an immediate impact. So if ‘the art’ in this case is causing a stir worthy of coverage, announcing ‘free stuff here come and queue up’ was surely the most obvious way of maximising its effect. Or he just likes giving away pencils. Who knows... This seems logical. I get it. But here's my problem. The hype doesn't become about the hotel, nor the subject of the Palestine conflict. It becomes about the artist and the freebies. Maybe it's banksy fans that are the problem but the artist steers into it headfirst. There's most pages discussing pixels in this thread then the conflict or the hotel. Everyone keeps saying it's about bringing awareness to Palestine but that's not what it's doing. It's bringing attention to Banksy.
I think both points are well made and have merit. I would say that the discussion about the artist/print as opposed to Palestine is probably true for this forum but clearly from the artists instagram account the opposite applies. Debate has certainly been stimulated by this act.
I wonder why this event has not has not delivered the same column inches in the national press/news compared to the shredded work at Sothebys?
Probably worthy of discussion in relation to who is pulling the strings when it comes to headline news that influences the general public and potential acts of censorship. Discuss?
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New BANKSY stall, by Hairbland on Nov 7, 2018 13:24:16 GMT 1, I guess it depends on your view of what ‘the art’ is, in this case. If the intention of this stunt is to raise awareness of the hotel, or of Palestine as a destination, or of ‘the cause’ as a whole, then you would agree that getting as much attention (traditional media / social media / whatever) as possible would be the ultimate aim. By announcing ‘free giveaways’ he/she/they can harness the inherent greed / collectibility / whatever that seems to accompany everything he/she/it touches (no offence intended to anyone who attended), pretty much guaranteeing a large attendance and associated coverage. You made the point that if he didn’t announce free giveaways, but simply allowed news of their existence to be shared organically, he/she/it would have achieved the same effect. That may be true, but considering this is a two day event, you might concede that announcing the giveaways in advance would guarantee an immediate impact. So if ‘the art’ in this case is causing a stir worthy of coverage, announcing ‘free stuff here come and queue up’ was surely the most obvious way of maximising its effect. Or he just likes giving away pencils. Who knows... This seems logical. I get it. But here's my problem. The hype doesn't become about the hotel, nor the subject of the Palestine conflict. It becomes about the artist and the freebies. Maybe it's banksy fans that are the problem but the artist steers into it headfirst. There's most pages discussing pixels in this thread then the conflict or the hotel. Everyone keeps saying it's about bringing awareness to Palestine but that's not what it's doing. It's bringing attention to Banksy.
Give it a rest already.
And by the way, none of the mainstream press has been about the freebies.
I guess it depends on your view of what ‘the art’ is, in this case. If the intention of this stunt is to raise awareness of the hotel, or of Palestine as a destination, or of ‘the cause’ as a whole, then you would agree that getting as much attention (traditional media / social media / whatever) as possible would be the ultimate aim. By announcing ‘free giveaways’ he/she/they can harness the inherent greed / collectibility / whatever that seems to accompany everything he/she/it touches (no offence intended to anyone who attended), pretty much guaranteeing a large attendance and associated coverage. You made the point that if he didn’t announce free giveaways, but simply allowed news of their existence to be shared organically, he/she/it would have achieved the same effect. That may be true, but considering this is a two day event, you might concede that announcing the giveaways in advance would guarantee an immediate impact. So if ‘the art’ in this case is causing a stir worthy of coverage, announcing ‘free stuff here come and queue up’ was surely the most obvious way of maximising its effect. Or he just likes giving away pencils. Who knows... This seems logical. I get it. But here's my problem. The hype doesn't become about the hotel, nor the subject of the Palestine conflict. It becomes about the artist and the freebies. Maybe it's banksy fans that are the problem but the artist steers into it headfirst. There's most pages discussing pixels in this thread then the conflict or the hotel. Everyone keeps saying it's about bringing awareness to Palestine but that's not what it's doing. It's bringing attention to Banksy. Give it a rest already. And by the way, none of the mainstream press has been about the freebies. |
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New BANKSY stall, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 7, 2018 13:27:44 GMT 1, This seems logical. I get it. But here's my problem. The hype doesn't become about the hotel, nor the subject of the Palestine conflict. It becomes about the artist and the freebies. Maybe it's banksy fans that are the problem but the artist steers into it headfirst. There's most pages discussing pixels in this thread then the conflict or the hotel. Everyone keeps saying it's about bringing awareness to Palestine but that's not what it's doing. It's bringing attention to Banksy. You can't control how people respond to something. The print has a message about Palestine written across it. It was given away at a stall promoting the hotel. It's got press coverage. There will be people who ask questions about the hotel, about Palestine and the wall because of seeing this stunt. In that sense Banksy has achieved his aim. There's more attention on it, from people who are interested in his work, than if he'd done nothing. You can say that any famous artist doing something to bring attention to a cause - e.g. the Jonas Wood 'Vote' posters - is primarily bringing attention to the artist, not the cause, but it's not for you, me or anyone else to quantify the success of their efforts. What would you expect from Banksy if he's trying to bring attention to Palestine? What would you consider a success?
Your first paragraph is exactly correct.
Now if he hadn't advertised 'free gifts' on his Instagram but still advertised the stall and gave stuff out that paragraph would still be true. The coverage would still have occurred.
Babksy is very deliberate with his words. Hes also not naivee. So that brings the initial question. Why word it that you will have free giveaways'.
All that does is promote the artist, promote selfishness and greed.
This seems logical. I get it. But here's my problem. The hype doesn't become about the hotel, nor the subject of the Palestine conflict. It becomes about the artist and the freebies. Maybe it's banksy fans that are the problem but the artist steers into it headfirst. There's most pages discussing pixels in this thread then the conflict or the hotel. Everyone keeps saying it's about bringing awareness to Palestine but that's not what it's doing. It's bringing attention to Banksy. You can't control how people respond to something. The print has a message about Palestine written across it. It was given away at a stall promoting the hotel. It's got press coverage. There will be people who ask questions about the hotel, about Palestine and the wall because of seeing this stunt. In that sense Banksy has achieved his aim. There's more attention on it, from people who are interested in his work, than if he'd done nothing. You can say that any famous artist doing something to bring attention to a cause - e.g. the Jonas Wood 'Vote' posters - is primarily bringing attention to the artist, not the cause, but it's not for you, me or anyone else to quantify the success of their efforts. What would you expect from Banksy if he's trying to bring attention to Palestine? What would you consider a success? Your first paragraph is exactly correct. Now if he hadn't advertised 'free gifts' on his Instagram but still advertised the stall and gave stuff out that paragraph would still be true. The coverage would still have occurred. Babksy is very deliberate with his words. Hes also not naivee. So that brings the initial question. Why word it that you will have free giveaways'. All that does is promote the artist, promote selfishness and greed. |
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New BANKSY stall, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 7, 2018 13:33:49 GMT 1, This seems logical. I get it. But here's my problem. The hype doesn't become about the hotel, nor the subject of the Palestine conflict. It becomes about the artist and the freebies. Maybe it's banksy fans that are the problem but the artist steers into it headfirst. There's most pages discussing pixels in this thread then the conflict or the hotel. Everyone keeps saying it's about bringing awareness to Palestine but that's not what it's doing. It's bringing attention to Banksy.
I think both points are well made and have merit. I would say that the discussion about the artist/print as opposed to Palestine is probably true for this forum but clearly from the artists instagram account the opposite applies. Debate has certainly been stimulated by this act.
I wonder why this event has not has not delivered the same column inches in the national press/news compared to the shredded work at Sothebys?
Probably worthy of discussion in relation to who is pulling the strings when it comes to headline news that influences the general public and potential acts of censorship. Discuss?
That is very interesting. And I was wondering about it too.
The first 12 hrs after the Sotheby's stunt wasn't that outrageous. But then it seemed to pick up momentum and a lot of that was fueled by Banksy 'responding' to the reaction. I found that quite odd. Why was an international artist responding to Internet conspiracy theorists after pulling off an epic stunt. Just let the art live...
This seems logical. I get it. But here's my problem. The hype doesn't become about the hotel, nor the subject of the Palestine conflict. It becomes about the artist and the freebies. Maybe it's banksy fans that are the problem but the artist steers into it headfirst. There's most pages discussing pixels in this thread then the conflict or the hotel. Everyone keeps saying it's about bringing awareness to Palestine but that's not what it's doing. It's bringing attention to Banksy.
I think both points are well made and have merit. I would say that the discussion about the artist/print as opposed to Palestine is probably true for this forum but clearly from the artists instagram account the opposite applies. Debate has certainly been stimulated by this act.
I wonder why this event has not has not delivered the same column inches in the national press/news compared to the shredded work at Sothebys?
Probably worthy of discussion in relation to who is pulling the strings when it comes to headline news that influences the general public and potential acts of censorship. Discuss?
That is very interesting. And I was wondering about it too. The first 12 hrs after the Sotheby's stunt wasn't that outrageous. But then it seemed to pick up momentum and a lot of that was fueled by Banksy 'responding' to the reaction. I found that quite odd. Why was an international artist responding to Internet conspiracy theorists after pulling off an epic stunt. Just let the art live... |
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New BANKSY stall, by Hairbland on Nov 7, 2018 13:37:43 GMT 1, The following statement is me as a forum member - not as a Forum Guardian There are only 2 sides in this conflict - either you are Pro Palestinian or you are Pro Israel and Banksy has definitely taken sides and has demonstrated over the course of several years that he is Pro Palestine. In the long run, this will not be good for his career, as he has now isolated a large chuck of his collector base. I see your point Wearology and given some of the very loud noises out there particularly at the moment it's a natural conclusion to draw. But at the end of the day money talks. Banksy has firmly established himself as a blue chip artist and those with power, those who would or could put a chink in the Banksy armour don't care about petty politics so long as they are making money. And those who do care are small fry and will not make any difference to Banksy's standing only their own. Looking at the posts on Banksy's instagram the people who are making all the noise and publicly saying 'I am unfollowing', I have not seen one say I am binning my collection. That's my two cents.
I don't think this impacts Banksy's career in a negative way at all. Supporting the Palestinians against the injustices perpetrated on them doesn't make one anti-Israel. It's not one or the other, and that's the problem.
The following statement is me as a forum member - not as a Forum Guardian There are only 2 sides in this conflict - either you are Pro Palestinian or you are Pro Israel and Banksy has definitely taken sides and has demonstrated over the course of several years that he is Pro Palestine. In the long run, this will not be good for his career, as he has now isolated a large chuck of his collector base. I see your point Wearology and given some of the very loud noises out there particularly at the moment it's a natural conclusion to draw. But at the end of the day money talks. Banksy has firmly established himself as a blue chip artist and those with power, those who would or could put a chink in the Banksy armour don't care about petty politics so long as they are making money. And those who do care are small fry and will not make any difference to Banksy's standing only their own. Looking at the posts on Banksy's instagram the people who are making all the noise and publicly saying 'I am unfollowing', I have not seen one say I am binning my collection. That's my two cents. I don't think this impacts Banksy's career in a negative way at all. Supporting the Palestinians against the injustices perpetrated on them doesn't make one anti-Israel. It's not one or the other, and that's the problem. |
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New BANKSY stall, by Hubble Bubble on Nov 7, 2018 13:49:52 GMT 1, I see your point Wearology and given some of the very loud noises out there particularly at the moment it's a natural conclusion to draw. But at the end of the day money talks. Banksy has firmly established himself as a blue chip artist and those with power, those who would or could put a chink in the Banksy armour don't care about petty politics so long as they are making money. And those who do care are small fry and will not make any difference to Banksy's standing only their own. Looking at the posts on Banksy's instagram the people who are making all the noise and publicly saying 'I am unfollowing', I have not seen one say I am binning my collection. That's my two cents. I don't think this impacts Banksy's career in a negative way at all. Supporting the Palestinians against the injustices perpetrated on them doesn't make one anti-Israel. It's not one or the other, and that's the problem.
I see your point Wearology and given some of the very loud noises out there particularly at the moment it's a natural conclusion to draw. But at the end of the day money talks. Banksy has firmly established himself as a blue chip artist and those with power, those who would or could put a chink in the Banksy armour don't care about petty politics so long as they are making money. And those who do care are small fry and will not make any difference to Banksy's standing only their own. Looking at the posts on Banksy's instagram the people who are making all the noise and publicly saying 'I am unfollowing', I have not seen one say I am binning my collection. That's my two cents. I don't think this impacts Banksy's career in a negative way at all. Supporting the Palestinians against the injustices perpetrated on them doesn't make one anti-Israel. It's not one or the other, and that's the problem. Very good post. |
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New BANKSY stall, by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 13:51:18 GMT 1, This seems logical. I get it. But here's my problem. The hype doesn't become about the hotel, nor the subject of the Palestine conflict. It becomes about the artist and the freebies. Maybe it's banksy fans that are the problem but the artist steers into it headfirst. There's most pages discussing pixels in this thread then the conflict or the hotel. Everyone keeps saying it's about bringing awareness to Palestine but that's not what it's doing. It's bringing attention to Banksy.
I think both points are well made and have merit. I would say that the discussion about the artist/print as opposed to Palestine is probably true for this forum but clearly from the artists instagram account the opposite applies. Debate has certainly been stimulated by this act.
I wonder why this event has not has not delivered the same column inches in the national press/news compared to the shredded work at Sothebys?
Probably worthy of discussion in relation to who is pulling the strings when it comes to headline news that influences the general public and potential acts of censorship. Discuss?
Does this...
(a) support Palestine in any shape or form?
(b) promote awareness of what is happening in that part of the world?
(c) encourage a discussion to find ways to reach an amicable solution to the ingrained tensions over there?
or was it...
(d) just a field day for flippers?
This seems logical. I get it. But here's my problem. The hype doesn't become about the hotel, nor the subject of the Palestine conflict. It becomes about the artist and the freebies. Maybe it's banksy fans that are the problem but the artist steers into it headfirst. There's most pages discussing pixels in this thread then the conflict or the hotel. Everyone keeps saying it's about bringing awareness to Palestine but that's not what it's doing. It's bringing attention to Banksy.
I think both points are well made and have merit. I would say that the discussion about the artist/print as opposed to Palestine is probably true for this forum but clearly from the artists instagram account the opposite applies. Debate has certainly been stimulated by this act.
I wonder why this event has not has not delivered the same column inches in the national press/news compared to the shredded work at Sothebys?
Probably worthy of discussion in relation to who is pulling the strings when it comes to headline news that influences the general public and potential acts of censorship. Discuss?
I think this trade fair thing is a complete non-event. So Banksy decides to give away some posters at a Trade fair. Big deal. Does this... (a) support Palestine in any shape or form? (b) promote awareness of what is happening in that part of the world? (c) encourage a discussion to find ways to reach an amicable solution to the ingrained tensions over there? or was it... (d) just a field day for flippers? |
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New BANKSY stall, by Happy Shopper on Nov 7, 2018 14:07:42 GMT 1, I think this trade fair thing is a complete non-event. So Banksy decides to give away some posters at a Trade fair. Big deal. Does this... (a) support Palestine in any shape or form? (b) promote awareness of what is happening in that part of the world? (c) encourage a discussion to find ways to reach an amicable solution to the ingrained tensions over there? or was it... (d) just a field day for flippers?
It's all of those things, except c because the public can't do anything but encourage politicians to find the real solutions.
I think this trade fair thing is a complete non-event. So Banksy decides to give away some posters at a Trade fair. Big deal. Does this... (a) support Palestine in any shape or form? (b) promote awareness of what is happening in that part of the world? (c) encourage a discussion to find ways to reach an amicable solution to the ingrained tensions over there? or was it... (d) just a field day for flippers? It's all of those things, except c because the public can't do anything but encourage politicians to find the real solutions. |
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