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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by met on Mar 27, 2014 5:01:00 GMT 1,
The item is not authentic.
If this isn't immediately obvious to you, i.e. you find yourself having to ask the question, then you are in fact part of the target market for this eBay seller and the dozens of other scammers selling tat as genuine Banksy works.
I appreciate the comment may come across as patronising, but the intention is to encourage caution and self-awareness regarding what may be limited experience in art-buying on your part. Former members of the now-defunct eBay.co.uk Banksy forum will be able to confirm that fake Banksy pieces started to become a real issue in 2005. Unsurprisingly, the problem has since grown exponentially.
To minimise the risk of making a costly mistake, my advice would be to follow one rule of thumb: When a piece being sold as a Banksy is not accompanied by a certificate of authenticity from Banksy's authentication body, Pest Control (www.pestcontroloffice.com/), stay well away.
The item is not authentic. If this isn't immediately obvious to you, i.e. you find yourself having to ask the question, then you are in fact part of the target market for this eBay seller and the dozens of other scammers selling tat as genuine Banksy works. I appreciate the comment may come across as patronising, but the intention is to encourage caution and self-awareness regarding what may be limited experience in art-buying on your part. Former members of the now-defunct eBay.co.uk Banksy forum will be able to confirm that fake Banksy pieces started to become a real issue in 2005. Unsurprisingly, the problem has since grown exponentially. To minimise the risk of making a costly mistake, my advice would be to follow one rule of thumb: When a piece being sold as a Banksy is not accompanied by a certificate of authenticity from Banksy's authentication body, Pest Control ( www.pestcontroloffice.com/), stay well away. |
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by quexzea on Mar 27, 2014 5:11:18 GMT 1, Thanks for the advice Met, but lighten up big guy, this post is sarcastic, of course it's bulls**t. I was confident that came across in my post, but I suppose I failed.
Thanks for the advice Met, but lighten up big guy, this post is sarcastic, of course it's bulls**t. I was confident that came across in my post, but I suppose I failed.
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by Cornish Crayon on Mar 27, 2014 8:13:34 GMT 1, It's a bin, reckon you could get a matching travel mug in poundland if your quick,
if not they should have more in next week.
It's a bin, reckon you could get a matching travel mug in poundland if your quick,
if not they should have more in next week.
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by mikehaspey on Mar 27, 2014 8:53:51 GMT 1, What a load of rubbish....
See what I did there 
What a load of rubbish.... See what I did there |
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by tartarus on Mar 27, 2014 12:31:25 GMT 1, The item is not authentic. If this isn't immediately obvious to you, i.e. you find yourself having to ask the question, then you are in fact part of the target market for this eBay seller and the dozens of other scammers selling tat as genuine Banksy works. I appreciate the comment may come across as patronising, but the intention is to encourage caution and self-awareness regarding what may be limited experience in art-buying on your part. Former members of the now-defunct eBay.co.uk Banksy forum will be able to confirm that fake Banksy pieces started to become a real issue in 2005. Unsurprisingly, the problem has since grown exponentially. To minimise the risk of making a costly mistake, my advice would be to follow one rule of thumb: When a piece being sold as a Banksy is not accompanied by a certificate of authenticity from Banksy's authentication body, Pest Control ( www.pestcontroloffice.com/), stay well away.
The item is not authentic. If this isn't immediately obvious to you, i.e. you find yourself having to ask the question, then you are in fact part of the target market for this eBay seller and the dozens of other scammers selling tat as genuine Banksy works. I appreciate the comment may come across as patronising, but the intention is to encourage caution and self-awareness regarding what may be limited experience in art-buying on your part. Former members of the now-defunct eBay.co.uk Banksy forum will be able to confirm that fake Banksy pieces started to become a real issue in 2005. Unsurprisingly, the problem has since grown exponentially. To minimise the risk of making a costly mistake, my advice would be to follow one rule of thumb: When a piece being sold as a Banksy is not accompanied by a certificate of authenticity from Banksy's authentication body, Pest Control ( www.pestcontroloffice.com/), stay well away. "may come across as patronising" yeah just a little bit! Patronising like a lecture from the police in fact! |
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 12:39:50 GMT 1, The sellers Mondrian is a bargain though.
The sellers Mondrian is a bargain though.
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 14:13:40 GMT 1, anything on ebay listed as "after artist" is ebay code for fake
anything on ebay listed as "after artist" is ebay code for fake
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by quexzea on Mar 27, 2014 14:59:45 GMT 1, This guy has one hell of a collection!
This guy has one hell of a collection! |
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by tartarus on Mar 27, 2014 15:54:44 GMT 1, I like the £600 original Mondrian, yet 6 people have made offers!
I like the £600 original Mondrian, yet 6 people have made offers!
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by t3c on Mar 27, 2014 16:00:56 GMT 1, breast enlargement pills look decent value tbf
breast enlargement pills look decent value tbf
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 11:39:40 GMT 1, Anyone buying off EBay etc should learn auction terms and jargon.
Also have a look at sellers ongoing and past sales and feedback.
Unless it's authenticated, EBay does state that the artists name should not be used in the title.
It's often ignored by Ebay in certain selling countries.
Ebay makes lots of money in fees from sellers and auction selling fees are high.
"After" usually means a copy and "manner of" usually means a copy made after the artist died or made at a later date than the original was made.
Technically any seller using these terms is covered legally and some hide it somewhere in their listing but as long a sit's there they are covered.
The big problem for these sellers is something called artists intellectual rights which is enforced in some countries and to do with an artist that died less than 75 years ago (+ 75 means copyright expired ). Where the artists heirs or authenticator/s can say such copies or pastiches infringe on the dead artists intellectual copyright.
To me it's bulls**t that any dead artist can have intellectual copyright but these things exist.
What amazes me is that buyers on Ebay etc expect to buy a multi thousand dollar artwork for peanuts and then go crying when it's shown to be a fake.
You get what you pay for.
Here are auction terms from a big auction house.
Art auctions use a variety of techniques to avoid responsibility for selling fake art, and to
effectively deceive buyers into believing that dubious works are genuine. The cunning
wording that auction houses (and museums) use to describe a painting's authenticity is
one of their most potent tactics.
For example, Christie's will gladly sell a painting as "Attributed to Rembrandt" if 99.9% of it
was executed by another painter. In the possible scenario that Rembrandt had no part in
the painting, Christie´s can simply fall back on its 'Sold as is' clause - meaning that you
have absolutely no recourse.
Major auction houses include a ´glossary´ of their terminology in the beginning of their
catalogue (interestingly, the glossaries of both Sotheby's and Christie´s has been
shortened and features less prominently in recent catalogues).
To my knowledge, neither auction house offers its glossary online.
It is important to note that in even the highest category of attribution (see category number
one), the buyer has no guarantee that the auction house´s "qualified opinion" is correct.
Anyone considering investing in a work of art should be aware of these disclaimers and
the fact that they leave the buyer completely exposed.
The following are the categories for the Christie's 1984 catalogue of American paintings:
GLOSSARY
For Pictures, Drawings, Prints and Miniatures
Terms used in this catalogue have the meanings ascribed to them below. Please note that
all statements in this catalogue as to Authorship are made subject to the provisions of the
CONDITIONS OF SALE, LIMITED WARRANTY and ABSENCE OF OTHER
WARRANTIES.
1. PABLO PICASSO (The artist's first name or names and last names).
In our opinion a work by the artist.
2. Attributed to FRANCESCO GUARDI*
In our qualified opinion a work of the period of the artist which may be in whole or part the
work of the artist.
3. Circle of FRANCESCO GUARDI*
In our qualified opinion a work of the period of the artist and closely related to his style.
4. Studio of; Workshop of FRANCESCO GUARDI*
In our qualified opinion a work possibly executed under the supervision of the artist.
5. School of FRANCESCO GUARDI*
In our qualified opinion a work by a pupil or follower of the artist.
6. Manner of FRANCESCO GUARDI*
In our qualified opinion a work in the style of the artist, possibly of a later period.
7. After FRANCESCO GUARDI*
In our qualified opinion a copy of the work of the artist.
8. "signed"
Has a signature which in our qualified opinion is the signature of the artist.
9. "bears signature"
Has a signature which in our qualified opinion might be the signature of the artist.
10. "dated"
Is so dated and in our qualified opinion was executed at about that date.
11. "bears date"
Is so dated and in our qualified opinion may have been executed at about that date.
"This term and its definition in this glossary is a qualified statement as to Authorship. While
the use of this term is based upon careful study and represents the opinion of experts,
Christie's and the Seller assume no risk, liability or responsibility for the authenticity of any
lot in this catalogue described by this term.
*This term and its definition in this glossary is a qualified statement as to Authorship. While
the use of this term is based upon careful study and represents the opinion of experts,
Christie's and the Seller assume no risk, liability or responsibility for the authenticity of
authorship of any lot in this catalogue described by this term.
[End of glossary]""
from www.ecommercebytes.com/forums/vbulletin/showthread.php?14024-AUCTION-DISCLAIMERS-LEAVE-BUYERS-EXPOSED&p=109377#post109377
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Anyone buying off EBay etc should learn auction terms and jargon.
Also have a look at sellers ongoing and past sales and feedback.
Unless it's authenticated, EBay does state that the artists name should not be used in the title.
It's often ignored by Ebay in certain selling countries.
Ebay makes lots of money in fees from sellers and auction selling fees are high.
"After" usually means a copy and "manner of" usually means a copy made after the artist died or made at a later date than the original was made.
Technically any seller using these terms is covered legally and some hide it somewhere in their listing but as long a sit's there they are covered.
The big problem for these sellers is something called artists intellectual rights which is enforced in some countries and to do with an artist that died less than 75 years ago (+ 75 means copyright expired ). Where the artists heirs or authenticator/s can say such copies or pastiches infringe on the dead artists intellectual copyright.
To me it's bulls**t that any dead artist can have intellectual copyright but these things exist.
What amazes me is that buyers on Ebay etc expect to buy a multi thousand dollar artwork for peanuts and then go crying when it's shown to be a fake.
You get what you pay for.
Here are auction terms from a big auction house.
Art auctions use a variety of techniques to avoid responsibility for selling fake art, and to
effectively deceive buyers into believing that dubious works are genuine. The cunning
wording that auction houses (and museums) use to describe a painting's authenticity is
one of their most potent tactics.
For example, Christie's will gladly sell a painting as "Attributed to Rembrandt" if 99.9% of it
was executed by another painter. In the possible scenario that Rembrandt had no part in
the painting, Christie´s can simply fall back on its 'Sold as is' clause - meaning that you
have absolutely no recourse.
Major auction houses include a ´glossary´ of their terminology in the beginning of their
catalogue (interestingly, the glossaries of both Sotheby's and Christie´s has been
shortened and features less prominently in recent catalogues).
To my knowledge, neither auction house offers its glossary online.
It is important to note that in even the highest category of attribution (see category number
one), the buyer has no guarantee that the auction house´s "qualified opinion" is correct.
Anyone considering investing in a work of art should be aware of these disclaimers and
the fact that they leave the buyer completely exposed.
The following are the categories for the Christie's 1984 catalogue of American paintings:
GLOSSARY
For Pictures, Drawings, Prints and Miniatures
Terms used in this catalogue have the meanings ascribed to them below. Please note that
all statements in this catalogue as to Authorship are made subject to the provisions of the
CONDITIONS OF SALE, LIMITED WARRANTY and ABSENCE OF OTHER
WARRANTIES.
1. PABLO PICASSO (The artist's first name or names and last names).
In our opinion a work by the artist.
2. Attributed to FRANCESCO GUARDI*
In our qualified opinion a work of the period of the artist which may be in whole or part the
work of the artist.
3. Circle of FRANCESCO GUARDI*
In our qualified opinion a work of the period of the artist and closely related to his style.
4. Studio of; Workshop of FRANCESCO GUARDI*
In our qualified opinion a work possibly executed under the supervision of the artist.
5. School of FRANCESCO GUARDI*
In our qualified opinion a work by a pupil or follower of the artist.
6. Manner of FRANCESCO GUARDI*
In our qualified opinion a work in the style of the artist, possibly of a later period.
7. After FRANCESCO GUARDI*
In our qualified opinion a copy of the work of the artist.
8. "signed"
Has a signature which in our qualified opinion is the signature of the artist.
9. "bears signature"
Has a signature which in our qualified opinion might be the signature of the artist.
10. "dated"
Is so dated and in our qualified opinion was executed at about that date.
11. "bears date"
Is so dated and in our qualified opinion may have been executed at about that date.
"This term and its definition in this glossary is a qualified statement as to Authorship. While
the use of this term is based upon careful study and represents the opinion of experts,
Christie's and the Seller assume no risk, liability or responsibility for the authenticity of any
lot in this catalogue described by this term.
*This term and its definition in this glossary is a qualified statement as to Authorship. While
the use of this term is based upon careful study and represents the opinion of experts,
Christie's and the Seller assume no risk, liability or responsibility for the authenticity of
authorship of any lot in this catalogue described by this term.
[End of glossary]""
from www.ecommercebytes.com/forums/vbulletin/showthread.php?14024-AUCTION-DISCLAIMERS-LEAVE-BUYERS-EXPOSED&p=109377#post109377
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by Emile on Jul 4, 2014 15:28:41 GMT 1, That one has been removed
I reported it and sent a message saying this is fraudulent.
"Hi i have removed it and i am going to get it checked out by a specilist as i purchased this from a art dealer.
Thanks."
That one has been removed
I reported it and sent a message saying this is fraudulent.
"Hi i have removed it and i am going to get it checked out by a specilist as i purchased this from a art dealer.
Thanks."
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 16:03:48 GMT 1, That one has been removed I reported it and sent a message saying this is fraudulent. "Hi i have removed it and i am going to get it checked out by a specilist as i purchased this from a art dealer. Thanks."
good job! i'm pretty sure i've seen that seller trying to unload fake banksys before (2009*amanda)
That one has been removed I reported it and sent a message saying this is fraudulent. "Hi i have removed it and i am going to get it checked out by a specilist as i purchased this from a art dealer. Thanks." good job! i'm pretty sure i've seen that seller trying to unload fake banksys before (2009*amanda) |
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 13:40:31 GMT 1, Banksy Brighton one, AOTS.
Ebay one
Banksy Brighton one, AOTS. Ebay one |
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by Invaded 420 on Jul 29, 2014 13:51:07 GMT 1, Looks like they just sprayed a violin rat on a paving slab or something
Looks like they just sprayed a violin rat on a paving slab or something
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 13:53:29 GMT 1, that flip flop is great. might have to buy if it stays at 1p
that flip flop is great. might have to buy if it stays at 1p
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by sleazus1slord on Mar 28, 2017 16:00:00 GMT 1, "Air brush techniq" Looks like they gave away their method lol
"Air brush techniq" Looks like they gave away their method lol
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by Daniel Silk on Jul 17, 2019 10:57:27 GMT 1, This thread is for you to post about what Banksy Art is For Sale on eBay at the moment -
How you spotted a bargain?
Have you seen a Fake?
Has something sold for a ridiculously high figure?
Are you selling a Banksy on ebay?
Post the ebay links on this thread so the ebay auction can be discussed.
This thread is for you to post about what Banksy Art is For Sale on eBay at the moment -
How you spotted a bargain?
Have you seen a Fake?
Has something sold for a ridiculously high figure?
Are you selling a Banksy on ebay?
Post the ebay links on this thread so the ebay auction can be discussed.
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by Dive Jedi on Jul 17, 2019 12:50:05 GMT 1, Daniel Silk , it's a collectors item.
As long as Banksy will be popular there will be collectors that will pay good money for these.
It's the same for Peckham Rocks or Forgive Us posters. Even stickers go for 200 quid.
Best to see it as entry level Banksy collection pieces.
Daniel Silk , it's a collectors item. As long as Banksy will be popular there will be collectors that will pay good money for these. It's the same for Peckham Rocks or Forgive Us posters. Even stickers go for 200 quid. Best to see it as entry level Banksy collection pieces.
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by irl1 on Jul 17, 2019 13:30:18 GMT 1, Andy Warhol, Keith Haring, KAWS, Gerhard Richter, Roy Lichtenstein, Ai Wei Wei and others
Andy Warhol, Keith Haring, KAWS, Gerhard Richter, Roy Lichtenstein, Ai Wei Wei and others |
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