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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by met on Sept 12, 2019 21:13:35 GMT 1, And what about the god damn Amazon Rainforest burning.... prints, paper, prints, trees, prints, and more damn prints and trees... I hear they will release another charity print set next week for the Amazon Rainforest since they used so much paper for this set. The new set will also use paper... I'm starting to think Harland Miller's whole career is based off of Manifold prints. I don't hear good things about his OGs and now this, which has nothing to do with White Cube or Manifold. Side note: I love artist like Shepard and others who talk about saving the planet while making a killing off of prints.... prints have to be the absolute worst thing for this earth. Iโm certain that prints are not worst thing for the earth, environmentally speaking.
If writing down things that are detrimental to our planet, I'd place ignorance high on the list. Along with hubris โ including hubris resulting from ignorance of one's own ignorance, i.e. lack of self-awareness.
While we're at it, let's also add irresponsibility. This would cover the making of simplistic public assertions without bothering to carry out basic research beforehand.
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It's worth bearing in mind that a significant proportion of fine-art paper isn't actually paper, but made with cotton.
And even when fine-art paper is made with or includes wood pulp, the requirements of consistency, resilience and longevity mean that quality pulp is needed. As already mentioned by Dive Jedi, this will come from managed, sustainable forests (e.g. in Scandinavia). Random trees from tropical rainforests are not suited for such a purpose.
[Members who are genuinely concerned about the Amazon should focus instead on where our cheap hamburgers come from. Or where the soy used for animal feed is grown, to produce those cheap burgers.]
In case anyone wishes to read about sustainability of paper more generally, among the multiple sources available, here are two:
www.twosides.info/sustainable-products/
www.paperbecause.com/paper-is-sustainable/paper-truth-or-fiction
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On the subject of deforestation, the three-minute BBC video in the link below is worth a watch. I found it to be very accessible and informative.
Deforestation: Whatโs wrong with planting new forests?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-49111179/deforestation-what-s-wrong-with-planting-new-forests
And what about the god damn Amazon Rainforest burning.... prints, paper, prints, trees, prints, and more damn prints and trees... I hear they will release another charity print set next week for the Amazon Rainforest since they used so much paper for this set. The new set will also use paper... I'm starting to think Harland Miller's whole career is based off of Manifold prints. I don't hear good things about his OGs and now this, which has nothing to do with White Cube or Manifold. Side note: I love artist like Shepard and others who talk about saving the planet while making a killing off of prints.... prints have to be the absolute worst thing for this earth. Iโm certain that prints are not worst thing for the earth, environmentally speaking. If writing down things that are detrimental to our planet, I'd place ignorance high on the list. Along with hubris โ including hubris resulting from ignorance of one's own ignorance, i.e. lack of self-awareness. While we're at it, let's also add irresponsibility. This would cover the making of simplistic public assertions without bothering to carry out basic research beforehand. __________ It's worth bearing in mind that a significant proportion of fine-art paper isn't actually paper, but made with cotton. And even when fine-art paper is made with or includes wood pulp, the requirements of consistency, resilience and longevity mean that quality pulp is needed. As already mentioned by Dive Jedi, this will come from managed, sustainable forests (e.g. in Scandinavia). Random trees from tropical rainforests are not suited for such a purpose. [Members who are genuinely concerned about the Amazon should focus instead on where our cheap hamburgers come from. Or where the soy used for animal feed is grown, to produce those cheap burgers.]In case anyone wishes to read about sustainability of paper more generally, among the multiple sources available, here are two: www.twosides.info/sustainable-products/www.paperbecause.com/paper-is-sustainable/paper-truth-or-fiction__________ On the subject of deforestation, the three-minute BBC video in the link below is worth a watch. I found it to be very accessible and informative. Deforestation: Whatโs wrong with planting new forests?www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-49111179/deforestation-what-s-wrong-with-planting-new-forests |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Bumble on Sept 13, 2019 15:35:16 GMT 1, can you share the link please?
can you share the link please?
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by cnrdvln on Sept 13, 2019 20:36:06 GMT 1, It up another 100 euro ๐ค
It up another 100 euro ๐ค
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Adam The Collector on Sept 13, 2019 23:57:36 GMT 1, It up another 100 euro ๐ค
What are you guys talking about the price increasing? Priced at 8k usd?
It up another 100 euro ๐ค What are you guys talking about the price increasing? Priced at 8k usd? |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Pawel on Sept 14, 2019 0:05:48 GMT 1, It up another 100 euro ๐ค What are you guys talking about the price increasing? Priced at 8k usd?
The price went up To โฌ8700 fo a while. Now back to โฌ8700. Clearly not related to tiered pricing, as the normal price jumps are much higher
It up another 100 euro ๐ค What are you guys talking about the price increasing? Priced at 8k usd? The price went up To โฌ8700 fo a while. Now back to โฌ8700. Clearly not related to tiered pricing, as the normal price jumps are much higher |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by gd79 on Sept 14, 2019 23:00:16 GMT 1, Wife has spent a long time looking for something to go with our all orange colour scheme...
Wife has spent a long time looking for something to go with our all orange colour scheme...
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by cnrdvln on Sept 15, 2019 17:51:40 GMT 1, This one is growing on me... but it'll be 12k by the time the page loads...
Doubt it'll sell out at top tier. Anthony gormley all the way
This one is growing on me... but it'll be 12k by the time the page loads...
Doubt it'll sell out at top tier. Anthony gormley all the way
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 22:52:00 GMT 1, This one is growing on me... but it'll be 12k by the time the page loads... Doubt it'll sell out at top tier. Anthony gormley all the way
Are people buying this at ยฃ7,500?
This one is growing on me... but it'll be 12k by the time the page loads... Doubt it'll sell out at top tier. Anthony gormley all the way Are people buying this at ยฃ7,500? |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by pippyt75 on Sept 16, 2019 15:19:38 GMT 1, Yep more or less - currently Miller is 15, Pensato is 4.
Yep more or less - currently Miller is 15, Pensato is 4.
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Riotcops on Sept 16, 2019 16:11:16 GMT 1, This one is growing on me... but it'll be 12k by the time the page loads... Doubt it'll sell out at top tier. Anthony gormley all the way Are people buying this at ยฃ7,500?
This one is growing on me... but it'll be 12k by the time the page loads... Doubt it'll sell out at top tier. Anthony gormley all the way Are people buying this at ยฃ7,500? Are people buying this at ยฃ15,000? |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Winter on Sept 16, 2019 16:13:10 GMT 1, Prefer Manifolds edging on the Harland. Don't like the white border and I'm assuming it's not actually as shown on their website with the smaller spacing top and bottom
Prefer Manifolds edging on the Harland. Don't like the white border and I'm assuming it's not actually as shown on their website with the smaller spacing top and bottom
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Tommy Tucker on Sept 17, 2019 14:11:24 GMT 1, At 7,500 GBP I would of been all over this but 15,000 is way too much
At 7,500 GBP I would of been all over this but 15,000 is way too much
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by corinthia on Sept 17, 2019 16:42:53 GMT 1, At 7,500 GBP I would of been all over this but 15,000 is way too much
Its now priced in between this. I know some of this goes to charity but I agree itโs high. Especially after the last Manifolds prints. They were not much more than this at the initial release.
At 7,500 GBP I would of been all over this but 15,000 is way too much Its now priced in between this. I know some of this goes to charity but I agree itโs high. Especially after the last Manifolds prints. They were not much more than this at the initial release. |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Wenters on Sept 19, 2019 16:00:32 GMT 1, At 7,500 GBP I would of been all over this but 15,000 is way too much Its now priced in between this. I know some of this goes to charity but I agree itโs high. Especially after the last Manifolds prints. They were not much more than this at the initial release.
It's a tricky one as it's not often you see a Harland Miller print available from source.
It is an easy size to frame and hang, it's a family friendly message, it is a Penguin, colours are great.....might be one that people regret not buying....
At 7,500 GBP I would of been all over this but 15,000 is way too much Its now priced in between this. I know some of this goes to charity but I agree itโs high. Especially after the last Manifolds prints. They were not much more than this at the initial release. It is ยฃ12k after discount? It's a tricky one as it's not often you see a Harland Miller print available from source. It is an easy size to frame and hang, it's a family friendly message, it is a Penguin, colours are great.....might be one that people regret not buying.... |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Skinner on Sept 19, 2019 16:02:59 GMT 1, Very baffling these not selling out - unless the tier increase has just annoyed everyone with how much it started at (if you were lucky enough to on the list of all lists!)
It's a shame the edges aren't as messy/loose as the other penguin titles
Harland Miller bubble bursting?
Very baffling these not selling out - unless the tier increase has just annoyed everyone with how much it started at (if you were lucky enough to on the list of all lists!)
It's a shame the edges aren't as messy/loose as the other penguin titles
Harland Miller bubble bursting?
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by trapnel1 on Sept 19, 2019 16:14:49 GMT 1, Its now priced in between this. I know some of this goes to charity but I agree itโs high. Especially after the last Manifolds prints. They were not much more than this at the initial release. It is ยฃ12k after discount? It's a tricky one as it's not often you see a Harland Miller print available from source. It is an easy size to frame and hang, it's a family friendly message, it is a Penguin, colours are great.....might be one that people regret not buying....
Its now priced in between this. I know some of this goes to charity but I agree itโs high. Especially after the last Manifolds prints. They were not much more than this at the initial release. It is ยฃ12k after discount? It's a tricky one as it's not often you see a Harland Miller print available from source. It is an easy size to frame and hang, it's a family friendly message, it is a Penguin, colours are great.....might be one that people regret not buying.... I agree - I like this; price seems about right and I'm sure these will sell out in due course. People looking around for a classic HM print will realise that these represent about the best value available; is there a cheaper Penguin anywhere else? |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by vei on Sept 19, 2019 16:23:26 GMT 1, Very baffling these not selling out - unless the tier increase has just annoyed everyone with how much it started at (if you were lucky enough to on the list of all lists!) It's a shame the edges aren't as messy/loose as the other penguin titles Harland Miller bubble bursting?
Iโm not buying, why would I buy at a price others only had to pay half of.
You can buy his prints on secondary for less.
Very baffling these not selling out - unless the tier increase has just annoyed everyone with how much it started at (if you were lucky enough to on the list of all lists!) It's a shame the edges aren't as messy/loose as the other penguin titles Harland Miller bubble bursting? Iโm not buying, why would I buy at a price others only had to pay half of. You can buy his prints on secondary for less. |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by corinthia on Sept 19, 2019 16:26:40 GMT 1, Its now priced in between this. I know some of this goes to charity but I agree itโs high. Especially after the last Manifolds prints. They were not much more than this at the initial release. It is ยฃ12k after discount? It's a tricky one as it's not often you see a Harland Miller print available from source. It is an easy size to frame and hang, it's a family friendly message, it is a Penguin, colours are great.....might be one that people regret not buying....
With discount it is a little over ยฃ10000 now. I am in the states so it shows $12800. I am sure in person the print will be great.
Its now priced in between this. I know some of this goes to charity but I agree itโs high. Especially after the last Manifolds prints. They were not much more than this at the initial release. It is ยฃ12k after discount? It's a tricky one as it's not often you see a Harland Miller print available from source. It is an easy size to frame and hang, it's a family friendly message, it is a Penguin, colours are great.....might be one that people regret not buying.... With discount it is a little over ยฃ10000 now. I am in the states so it shows $12800. I am sure in person the print will be great. |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Riotcops on Sept 19, 2019 16:34:25 GMT 1, The price hike fully me put me off. Not buying out of principle. If I didn't have a penguin I would probably pull the trigger though.
The price hike fully me put me off. Not buying out of principle. If I didn't have a penguin I would probably pull the trigger though.
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Happy Shopper on Sept 19, 2019 16:34:41 GMT 1, Very baffling these not selling out - unless the tier increase has just annoyed everyone with how much it started at (if you were lucky enough to on the list of all lists!) It's a shame the edges aren't as messy/loose as the other penguin titles Harland Miller bubble bursting?
Not sure if there's been a massive price rise over the last few months, but I think there's a fair few of his prints you can get for ยฃ9-12k. Maybe not the classic Penguin covers, but good ones, and bigger than this.
Very baffling these not selling out - unless the tier increase has just annoyed everyone with how much it started at (if you were lucky enough to on the list of all lists!) It's a shame the edges aren't as messy/loose as the other penguin titles Harland Miller bubble bursting? Not sure if there's been a massive price rise over the last few months, but I think there's a fair few of his prints you can get for ยฃ9-12k. Maybe not the classic Penguin covers, but good ones, and bigger than this. |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Skinner on Sept 19, 2019 16:41:49 GMT 1, Yeah, I agree on the principle thing on the price hike, is a huge jump - at least go in 2ks or 3k hikes so it doesn't seem so drastic and distant from the previous price surely? - although that is kinda what happens on the secondary market anyway isn't it if the price and demand goes up (not agreeing with it though)
I just thought that as a penguin print you'll do well to find one secondary that size (albeit not the large ones) for ยฃ12k
Bet HM and his team aren't happy though!
Yeah, I agree on the principle thing on the price hike, is a huge jump - at least go in 2ks or 3k hikes so it doesn't seem so drastic and distant from the previous price surely? - although that is kinda what happens on the secondary market anyway isn't it if the price and demand goes up (not agreeing with it though)
I just thought that as a penguin print you'll do well to find one secondary that size (albeit not the large ones) for ยฃ12k
Bet HM and his team aren't happy though!
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Wenters on Sept 19, 2019 17:04:26 GMT 1, It is ยฃ12k after discount? It's a tricky one as it's not often you see a Harland Miller print available from source. It is an easy size to frame and hang, it's a family friendly message, it is a Penguin, colours are great.....might be one that people regret not buying.... With discount it is a little over ยฃ10000 now. I am in the states so it shows $12800. I am sure in person the print will be great.
At ยฃ10k it is definitely a buy!
It is ยฃ15k discounted to ยฃ12k here.
It is ยฃ12k after discount? It's a tricky one as it's not often you see a Harland Miller print available from source. It is an easy size to frame and hang, it's a family friendly message, it is a Penguin, colours are great.....might be one that people regret not buying.... With discount it is a little over ยฃ10000 now. I am in the states so it shows $12800. I am sure in person the print will be great. I'm puzzled.....it is showing as $12,800 (around ยฃ10k) in the US?? At ยฃ10k it is definitely a buy! It is ยฃ15k discounted to ยฃ12k here. |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Billy Sport on Sept 19, 2019 17:05:27 GMT 1, With discount it is a little over ยฃ10000 now. I am in the states so it shows $12800. I am sure in person the print will be great. I'm puzzled.....it is showing as $12,800 (around ยฃ10k) in the US?? At ยฃ10k it is definitely a buy! It is ยฃ15k discounted to ยฃ12k here.
With discount it is a little over ยฃ10000 now. I am in the states so it shows $12800. I am sure in person the print will be great. I'm puzzled.....it is showing as $12,800 (around ยฃ10k) in the US?? At ยฃ10k it is definitely a buy! It is ยฃ15k discounted to ยฃ12k here. no VAT in US |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Wenters on Sept 19, 2019 17:07:11 GMT 1, I'm puzzled.....it is showing as $12,800 (around ยฃ10k) in the US?? At ยฃ10k it is definitely a buy! It is ยฃ15k discounted to ยฃ12k here. no VAT in US
I'm puzzled.....it is showing as $12,800 (around ยฃ10k) in the US?? At ยฃ10k it is definitely a buy! It is ยฃ15k discounted to ยฃ12k here. no VAT in US ARRGGHH....obviously!...it's been a long few days! |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by DrWhite on Sept 19, 2019 20:14:19 GMT 1, Can any purchasers clarify -
Do these prints also have a clause regarding re-sale ?
Can any purchasers clarify -
Do these prints also have a clause regarding re-sale ?
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by Art for Love 1 on Sept 19, 2019 20:41:55 GMT 1, Can any purchasers clarify - Do these prints also have a clause regarding re-sale ?
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Can any purchasers clarify - Do these prints also have a clause regarding re-sale ? no |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by DrWhite on Sept 19, 2019 21:15:25 GMT 1, Can any purchasers clarify - Do these prints also have a clause regarding re-sale ? no
Thanks
Can any purchasers clarify - Do these prints also have a clause regarding re-sale ? no Thanks |
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Harland Miller โข High on Hope Print, by rosac on Sept 19, 2019 22:09:54 GMT 1, Big Harland fan but am I the only one who thinks the colour looks crap. Like when you cyan printer cartridge runs low?
Big Harland fan but am I the only one who thinks the colour looks crap. Like when you cyan printer cartridge runs low?
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