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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Javier on Mar 14, 2020 16:22:26 GMT 1, I can’t understand why UK is still doing nothing. It’s gonna hit hars there soon, and if actions are not taken soon things will go worse than Italy or Spain together Herd immunity. Better in the long run
Yes. They want 60% of the population infected. The way they are dealing this, this may start in one or two weeks, but it will grow so fast that hospitals will be overwhelmed. Here we hear that most of us will be infected sooner or later, but the rate must decreased so there are hospitals enough for all who is badly sick. Our health system is good, but are there beds enough for a 10% (I don’t know the percentage) of the 60% of the country in the same month?
I can’t understand why UK is still doing nothing. It’s gonna hit hars there soon, and if actions are not taken soon things will go worse than Italy or Spain together Herd immunity. Better in the long run Yes. They want 60% of the population infected. The way they are dealing this, this may start in one or two weeks, but it will grow so fast that hospitals will be overwhelmed. Here we hear that most of us will be infected sooner or later, but the rate must decreased so there are hospitals enough for all who is badly sick. Our health system is good, but are there beds enough for a 10% (I don’t know the percentage) of the 60% of the country in the same month?
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by astarti on Mar 14, 2020 16:28:33 GMT 1, I can’t understand why UK is still doing nothing. It’s gonna hit hars there soon, and if actions are not taken soon things will go worse than Italy or Spain together Herd immunity. Better in the long run
It is believed that 14% of the people that have contracted the virus can relapse a couple of weeks after they have tested negative to it, indicating that herd immunity might be a bit more complex issue.
I can’t understand why UK is still doing nothing. It’s gonna hit hars there soon, and if actions are not taken soon things will go worse than Italy or Spain together Herd immunity. Better in the long run It is believed that 14% of the people that have contracted the virus can relapse a couple of weeks after they have tested negative to it, indicating that herd immunity might be a bit more complex issue.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Happy Shopper on Mar 14, 2020 16:29:24 GMT 1, I can’t understand why UK is still doing nothing. It’s gonna hit hars there soon, and if actions are not taken soon things will go worse than Italy or Spain together Herd immunity. Better in the long run They keep saying this, but it hasn't worked for Italy! They did nothing, because they didn't know, and look where they are. I've no idea why the UK government think it will go a different way here!? Madness.
I can’t understand why UK is still doing nothing. It’s gonna hit hars there soon, and if actions are not taken soon things will go worse than Italy or Spain together Herd immunity. Better in the long run They keep saying this, but it hasn't worked for Italy! They did nothing, because they didn't know, and look where they are. I've no idea why the UK government think it will go a different way here!? Madness.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Pawel on Mar 14, 2020 16:41:35 GMT 1, Herd immunity. Better in the long run They keep saying this, but it hasn't worked for Italy! They did nothing, because they didn't know, and look where they are. I've no idea why the UK government think it will go a different way here!? Madness. In Poland we had over 4k people tested for the virus, huge increase from over 2k yesterday. This is compared to over 200k tests in Germany and South Korea.
Herd immunity. Better in the long run They keep saying this, but it hasn't worked for Italy! They did nothing, because they didn't know, and look where they are. I've no idea why the UK government think it will go a different way here!? Madness. In Poland we had over 4k people tested for the virus, huge increase from over 2k yesterday. This is compared to over 200k tests in Germany and South Korea.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Someones Brain on Mar 14, 2020 17:08:48 GMT 1, I can’t understand why UK is still doing nothing. It’s gonna hit hars there soon, and if actions are not taken soon things will go worse than Italy or Spain together Herd immunity. Better in the long run
That's cynical, isn' it. Even if it worked in the long run (let's hope so) there will be a much higher rate of people dying from the disease if the medical system cannot handle all the heavily infected people (that may need intensive medical care) at the same time. Thus it is much more rational to try to slow down the infection wave (e.g. by means of isolation) so every person can get the medical aid that he/she needs when he/she catches the disease.
I can’t understand why UK is still doing nothing. It’s gonna hit hars there soon, and if actions are not taken soon things will go worse than Italy or Spain together Herd immunity. Better in the long run That's cynical, isn' it. Even if it worked in the long run (let's hope so) there will be a much higher rate of people dying from the disease if the medical system cannot handle all the heavily infected people (that may need intensive medical care) at the same time. Thus it is much more rational to try to slow down the infection wave (e.g. by means of isolation) so every person can get the medical aid that he/she needs when he/she catches the disease.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by JL Broooks on Mar 14, 2020 17:18:09 GMT 1, Herd immunity. Better in the long run Yes. They want 60% of the population infected. The way they are dealing this, this may start in one or two weeks, but it will grow so fast that hospitals will be overwhelmed. Here we hear that most of us will be infected sooner or later, but the rate must decreased so there are hospitals enough for all who is badly sick. Our health system is good, but are there beds enough for a 10% (I don’t know the percentage) of the 60% of the country in the same month?
What Javier said. Norway has also closed down. Time to get in the scrum (not literally though..).
Herd immunity. Better in the long run Yes. They want 60% of the population infected. The way they are dealing this, this may start in one or two weeks, but it will grow so fast that hospitals will be overwhelmed. Here we hear that most of us will be infected sooner or later, but the rate must decreased so there are hospitals enough for all who is badly sick. Our health system is good, but are there beds enough for a 10% (I don’t know the percentage) of the 60% of the country in the same month? What Javier said. Norway has also closed down. Time to get in the scrum (not literally though..).
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Mar 14, 2020 17:34:00 GMT 1, Herd immunity. Better in the long run They keep saying this, but it hasn't worked for Italy! They did nothing, because they didn't know, and look where they are. I've no idea why the UK government think it will go a different way here!? Madness.
Uk are totally unprepared for this event 80% of the population likely to get infected unless a vaccine is found
With the increasing numbers being tested positive and from data around the world showing the vast increases daily it is damage control to stop panic by releasing a statement of herd control to stop mass panic rather than the public making their own assumptions from figures released each day !
With likely 3% of a population of each country to be tested as lack of testing kits the full scale of this epidemic is unlikely until the year end .
Have anyone seen the videos smuggled out of China? Does not look like it is under control!
Herd immunity. Better in the long run They keep saying this, but it hasn't worked for Italy! They did nothing, because they didn't know, and look where they are. I've no idea why the UK government think it will go a different way here!? Madness. Uk are totally unprepared for this event 80% of the population likely to get infected unless a vaccine is found With the increasing numbers being tested positive and from data around the world showing the vast increases daily it is damage control to stop panic by releasing a statement of herd control to stop mass panic rather than the public making their own assumptions from figures released each day ! With likely 3% of a population of each country to be tested as lack of testing kits the full scale of this epidemic is unlikely until the year end . Have anyone seen the videos smuggled out of China? Does not look like it is under control!
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Mar 14, 2020 17:36:56 GMT 1, Highest rate of fatalities will be from
Elderly
People suffering from existing health issues regardless of age
People from recent surgery
Drug addicts
Alcoholics
Can see the government getting a rush on to keep these figures down
Highest rate of fatalities will be from
Elderly
People suffering from existing health issues regardless of age
People from recent surgery
Drug addicts
Alcoholics
Can see the government getting a rush on to keep these figures down
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by touchdowntodd on Mar 14, 2020 19:29:52 GMT 1, Herd immunity. Better in the long run They keep saying this, but it hasn't worked for Italy! They did nothing, because they didn't know, and look where they are. I've no idea why the UK government think it will go a different way here!? Madness.
Can't compare Italy to anywhere else.. given the population, hospital density, amount of traveling most citizens do etc.. that's a special kinda case
Herd immunity. Better in the long run They keep saying this, but it hasn't worked for Italy! They did nothing, because they didn't know, and look where they are. I've no idea why the UK government think it will go a different way here!? Madness. Can't compare Italy to anywhere else.. given the population, hospital density, amount of traveling most citizens do etc.. that's a special kinda case
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tranito on Mar 14, 2020 20:02:40 GMT 1, Absolutely false. Anywhere people are in close contact together can be compared, which is about anywhere seasonal flu peaks can occur, which is about anywhere in the world, but a few places maybe like Antarctica. A few cities North of Italy is absolutely no different than what could happen in London or in any city in the UK once it gets in. A better capacity in your hospitals and a better health system in general will help, maybe that's a weak point in Italy, but it will be bad if you don't do anything to contain it.
Absolutely false. Anywhere people are in close contact together can be compared, which is about anywhere seasonal flu peaks can occur, which is about anywhere in the world, but a few places maybe like Antarctica. A few cities North of Italy is absolutely no different than what could happen in London or in any city in the UK once it gets in. A better capacity in your hospitals and a better health system in general will help, maybe that's a weak point in Italy, but it will be bad if you don't do anything to contain it.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Winter on Mar 14, 2020 20:08:57 GMT 1, if and when the UK goes into lockdown will I be allowed to walk my dog in the park?
if and when the UK goes into lockdown will I be allowed to walk my dog in the park?
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 14, 2020 20:13:38 GMT 1, Anyone that has extra bottles of hand sanitiser, offer one to any homeless. Its going to be as important as giving money or food right now.
Anyone that has extra bottles of hand sanitiser, offer one to any homeless. Its going to be as important as giving money or food right now.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 14, 2020 20:21:02 GMT 1, if and when the UK goes into lockdown will I be allowed to walk my dog in the park?
Good question. I imagine that our government are a long way from total lockdown. I think it will just be leisure, shops, schools etc first of all.
if and when the UK goes into lockdown will I be allowed to walk my dog in the park? Good question. I imagine that our government are a long way from total lockdown. I think it will just be leisure, shops, schools etc first of all.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by alexandros88 on Mar 14, 2020 20:34:06 GMT 1, Actually the health system in Italy is one of the best in the world. Just as a comparison vs. UK, Italy has 5x more places for intensive care (per 100,000 people) than UK.
Absolutely false. Anywhere people are in close contact together can be compared, which is about anywhere seasonal flu peaks can occur, which is about anywhere in the world, but a few places maybe like Antarctica. A few cities North of Italy is absolutely no different than what could happen in London or in any city in the UK once it gets in. A better capacity in your hospitals and a better health system in general will help, maybe that's a weak point in Italy, but it will be bad if you don't do anything to contain it.
Actually the health system in Italy is one of the best in the world. Just as a comparison vs. UK, Italy has 5x more places for intensive care (per 100,000 people) than UK. Absolutely false. Anywhere people are in close contact together can be compared, which is about anywhere seasonal flu peaks can occur, which is about anywhere in the world, but a few places maybe like Antarctica. A few cities North of Italy is absolutely no different than what could happen in London or in any city in the UK once it gets in. A better capacity in your hospitals and a better health system in general will help, maybe that's a weak point in Italy, but it will be bad if you don't do anything to contain it.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Express Post on Mar 14, 2020 21:49:26 GMT 1, In this instance, Italy had a shït response to the coronavirus.
Both South Korea and Italy had detected cases at the same time, and because of the South Korean government's aggressive response to testing in Jan/Feb, they were able to contain and control the virus early on. Italians did jack all at the beginning of the outbreak. There was only a rise in reports of racist attacks/xenophobic behaviour towards east asians in Italy. The country that also brought you Stefano Gabbana, Matteo Salvini, throwing bananas at a woman politician, and monkeys in Serie A, karma is a bitch.
As it stands today; Italy- over 21k infected, and 1400+ dead; South Korea 8k infected and 72 dead. South Korea did not have to go into lockdown to get those results. Let them sing.
Actually the health system in Italy is one of the best in the world. Just as a comparison vs. UK, Italy has 5x more places for intensive care (per 100,000 people) than UK. Absolutely false. Anywhere people are in close contact together can be compared, which is about anywhere seasonal flu peaks can occur, which is about anywhere in the world, but a few places maybe like Antarctica. A few cities North of Italy is absolutely no different than what could happen in London or in any city in the UK once it gets in. A better capacity in your hospitals and a better health system in general will help, maybe that's a weak point in Italy, but it will be bad if you don't do anything to contain it.
In this instance, Italy had a shït response to the coronavirus. Both South Korea and Italy had detected cases at the same time, and because of the South Korean government's aggressive response to testing in Jan/Feb, they were able to contain and control the virus early on. Italians did jack all at the beginning of the outbreak. There was only a rise in reports of racist attacks/xenophobic behaviour towards east asians in Italy. The country that also brought you Stefano Gabbana, Matteo Salvini, throwing bananas at a woman politician, and monkeys in Serie A, karma is a bitch. As it stands today; Italy- over 21k infected, and 1400+ dead; South Korea 8k infected and 72 dead. South Korea did not have to go into lockdown to get those results. Let them sing. Actually the health system in Italy is one of the best in the world. Just as a comparison vs. UK, Italy has 5x more places for intensive care (per 100,000 people) than UK. Absolutely false. Anywhere people are in close contact together can be compared, which is about anywhere seasonal flu peaks can occur, which is about anywhere in the world, but a few places maybe like Antarctica. A few cities North of Italy is absolutely no different than what could happen in London or in any city in the UK once it gets in. A better capacity in your hospitals and a better health system in general will help, maybe that's a weak point in Italy, but it will be bad if you don't do anything to contain it.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Mar 14, 2020 22:03:57 GMT 1, We go to China every other year, my wife is originally from China but we’ve both been is Australia 17years.. We’ve cancelled our trip in June, but by then it will have eased off in China but we’ll be in full panic here in Australia as it’s winter and government haven’t done enough soon enough.. my nephew has been doing his school online for past 8 weeks in China, need to be strict otherwise it will not get contained. Factories and offices are out (some are back depending on which Provence you live in). Employees must pay minimum wage for when your off work..
Problem in Australia is ours**t government always thinks of economy first as they don’t want to go into recession (so they haven’t cancelled tourists, events quick enough),everyone is still in work and schools are still going. All this doubled up with our prime minister is a shocking leader and high up member of the ‘Hillsong’ cult so thinks this the virus is god telling us something, same as bush fires, floods etc..
Everyone stay safe and hopefully your older relatives don’t get this virus, it they do hopefully they pull through 👍
We go to China every other year, my wife is originally from China but we’ve both been is Australia 17years.. We’ve cancelled our trip in June, but by then it will have eased off in China but we’ll be in full panic here in Australia as it’s winter and government haven’t done enough soon enough.. my nephew has been doing his school online for past 8 weeks in China, need to be strict otherwise it will not get contained. Factories and offices are out (some are back depending on which Provence you live in). Employees must pay minimum wage for when your off work..
Problem in Australia is ours**t government always thinks of economy first as they don’t want to go into recession (so they haven’t cancelled tourists, events quick enough),everyone is still in work and schools are still going. All this doubled up with our prime minister is a shocking leader and high up member of the ‘Hillsong’ cult so thinks this the virus is god telling us something, same as bush fires, floods etc..
Everyone stay safe and hopefully your older relatives don’t get this virus, it they do hopefully they pull through 👍
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Mar 14, 2020 22:56:49 GMT 1, www.ft.com/content/2951caa2-63ed-11e8-a39d-4df188287fff
European member countries have all kinds of funds and loans they can receive as being part of the eu hence they are quicker to put restrictions in than the uk
First round of restrictions in the uk probably timed around the school holidays to ease costs
www.ft.com/content/2951caa2-63ed-11e8-a39d-4df188287fffEuropean member countries have all kinds of funds and loans they can receive as being part of the eu hence they are quicker to put restrictions in than the uk First round of restrictions in the uk probably timed around the school holidays to ease costs
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by LJCal on Mar 14, 2020 23:03:09 GMT 1, www.ft.com/content/2951caa2-63ed-11e8-a39d-4df188287fffEuropean member countries have all kinds of funds and loans they can receive as being part of the eu hence they are quicker to put restrictions in than the uk First round of restrictions in the uk probably timed around the school holidays to ease costs You’re probably right, not that it’s a bad thing. Money needs paying back, usually with interest.
www.ft.com/content/2951caa2-63ed-11e8-a39d-4df188287fffEuropean member countries have all kinds of funds and loans they can receive as being part of the eu hence they are quicker to put restrictions in than the uk First round of restrictions in the uk probably timed around the school holidays to ease costs You’re probably right, not that it’s a bad thing. Money needs paying back, usually with interest.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by embee on Mar 14, 2020 23:59:10 GMT 1, This evening (and into tomorrows papers) it seems like the Johnson Govt in the UK is pushing back a bit on the accusation that they're not doing enough, fast enough, by releasing (or 'leaking') sketches of their plans for the next phase - and it looks like restrictions will start next weekend with large public gatherings, then the shops/restaurant/pub level a week or two later, and then schools after that.
This evening (and into tomorrows papers) it seems like the Johnson Govt in the UK is pushing back a bit on the accusation that they're not doing enough, fast enough, by releasing (or 'leaking') sketches of their plans for the next phase - and it looks like restrictions will start next weekend with large public gatherings, then the shops/restaurant/pub level a week or two later, and then schools after that.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Mar 15, 2020 0:50:59 GMT 1, All countries need to have restrictions and closed borders , the spread will only continue .
More testing kits need to be provided , quicker to isolate the contaminated .
Hopefullly all governments are sharing their research data? And not seeking the first to isolate and patent a vaccine for profit, the global demand and profits would be huge as every country globally would need the product
There are products that kill the virus and other airborne bacteria,viruses,spores that are used in the vetinary and nhs industry use to decontaminate premises and operating rooms , if the situation escalates these should be released to the public
Testing should be made for all air travellers at airports once restrictions lifted until a vaccine is found as the world global economy can not exist in a constant lockdown and reoccurrence of a higher threat level would occur as virus would have evolved.
Virus may excellerate in diferent races as DNA structure of different countries effect development hence may show higher rate of spread and fatalities in different countries
With the SARS epidemic would have thought governments would have used as a warning and had emergency consigincie policies and plans in place .
All countries need to have restrictions and closed borders , the spread will only continue .
More testing kits need to be provided , quicker to isolate the contaminated .
Hopefullly all governments are sharing their research data? And not seeking the first to isolate and patent a vaccine for profit, the global demand and profits would be huge as every country globally would need the product
There are products that kill the virus and other airborne bacteria,viruses,spores that are used in the vetinary and nhs industry use to decontaminate premises and operating rooms , if the situation escalates these should be released to the public
Testing should be made for all air travellers at airports once restrictions lifted until a vaccine is found as the world global economy can not exist in a constant lockdown and reoccurrence of a higher threat level would occur as virus would have evolved.
Virus may excellerate in diferent races as DNA structure of different countries effect development hence may show higher rate of spread and fatalities in different countries
With the SARS epidemic would have thought governments would have used as a warning and had emergency consigincie policies and plans in place .
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by NYart on Mar 15, 2020 1:09:40 GMT 1, Seems people are rather optimistic thinking that government and policies can control the spread of a virus. There’s really only two options, continue as normal and let it run it’s course. Or completely shut down everything and more or less impose martial law.
If you half ass it like most places have been doing, canceling school here and there, closing borders and restricting travel, but not completely restricting everyone fo their homes, it still spreads.
Testing is great in theory, but what does it achieve? The end result is the same, self quarantine. Whether you have symptoms or you’ve been confirmed positive, they tell you to self quarantine. Sure those in contact with you now know to worry, but if everything isn’t shut down yet, are they going to not work for the next two weeks on the off chance their contact with you infected them?
People as individuals have to weigh the pros and cons of their actions, and more often than not act in self interest. So unless individuals are well prepared to self quarantine and movement is restricted and enforced it will still spread.
What happens when everyone has been home for two weeks or more, people run out of food, stores aren’t open, and even if they were those driving the trucks to resupply them haven’t been to work? Modern people and society can’t function with the shut down required to prevent the spread of a pandemic. We’re just fortunate this virus apparently “only” has a 2% death rate because it’s a folly to believe anything can realistically be done to stop it.
With a little luck it’ll prove to be mostly seasonal like SARS, MERS, and the Flu, so we’ll see temporary relief in a couple months. Even banking on a vaccine is optimistic considering the flu vaccines average effectiveness is far from impressive. Prepare for this to be a recurring issue, and you’ll be ahead of the curve and do a far greater job protecting your self and family than any government or policies can do.
Seems people are rather optimistic thinking that government and policies can control the spread of a virus. There’s really only two options, continue as normal and let it run it’s course. Or completely shut down everything and more or less impose martial law.
If you half ass it like most places have been doing, canceling school here and there, closing borders and restricting travel, but not completely restricting everyone fo their homes, it still spreads.
Testing is great in theory, but what does it achieve? The end result is the same, self quarantine. Whether you have symptoms or you’ve been confirmed positive, they tell you to self quarantine. Sure those in contact with you now know to worry, but if everything isn’t shut down yet, are they going to not work for the next two weeks on the off chance their contact with you infected them?
People as individuals have to weigh the pros and cons of their actions, and more often than not act in self interest. So unless individuals are well prepared to self quarantine and movement is restricted and enforced it will still spread.
What happens when everyone has been home for two weeks or more, people run out of food, stores aren’t open, and even if they were those driving the trucks to resupply them haven’t been to work? Modern people and society can’t function with the shut down required to prevent the spread of a pandemic. We’re just fortunate this virus apparently “only” has a 2% death rate because it’s a folly to believe anything can realistically be done to stop it.
With a little luck it’ll prove to be mostly seasonal like SARS, MERS, and the Flu, so we’ll see temporary relief in a couple months. Even banking on a vaccine is optimistic considering the flu vaccines average effectiveness is far from impressive. Prepare for this to be a recurring issue, and you’ll be ahead of the curve and do a far greater job protecting your self and family than any government or policies can do.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Mar 15, 2020 1:23:44 GMT 1, Seems people are rather optimistic thinking that government and policies can control the spread of a virus. There’s really only two options, continue as normal and let it run it’s course. Or completely shut down everything and more or less impose martial law. If you half ass it like most places have been doing, canceling school here and there, closing borders and restricting travel, but not completely restricting everyone fo their homes, it still spreads. Testing is great in theory, but what does it achieve? The end result is the same, self quarantine. Whether you have symptoms or you’ve been confirmed positive, they tell you to self quarantine. Sure those in contact with you now know to worry, but if everything isn’t shut down yet, are they going to not work for the next two weeks on the off chance their contact with you infected them? People as individuals have to weigh the pros and cons of their actions, and more often than not act in self interest. So unless individuals are well prepared to self quarantine and movement is restricted and enforced it will still spread. What happens when everyone has been home for two weeks or more, people run out of food, stores aren’t open, and even if they were those driving the trucks to resupply them haven’t been to work? Modern people and society can’t function with the shut down required to prevent the spread of a pandemic. We’re just fortunate this virus apparently “only” has a 2% death rate because it’s a folly to believe anything can realistically be done to stop it. Testing kits would help cut the number of infected people , by reducing the time the contaminated person is out in the general public domain spreading the virus as present most people show symptoms after 10 days as similar to cold symptoms most people discard their symptoms and carry on in public life by spreading the virus . Testing kits will shorten the time the person is mixing in public ,cut the numbers of infection and helps the NHS and gives further time until peak is reached The death rate can drastically change as the virus is in its infant stage and not enough research has been studied yet to reach that conclusion, the stats are based on study over two months yet numbers are increasing daily ? remember governments are good at releasing stats to aid their agenda , but may be bias or not up to date , everything released to date is damage control ,nothing effective has been put in place yet
Seems people are rather optimistic thinking that government and policies can control the spread of a virus. There’s really only two options, continue as normal and let it run it’s course. Or completely shut down everything and more or less impose martial law. If you half ass it like most places have been doing, canceling school here and there, closing borders and restricting travel, but not completely restricting everyone fo their homes, it still spreads. Testing is great in theory, but what does it achieve? The end result is the same, self quarantine. Whether you have symptoms or you’ve been confirmed positive, they tell you to self quarantine. Sure those in contact with you now know to worry, but if everything isn’t shut down yet, are they going to not work for the next two weeks on the off chance their contact with you infected them? People as individuals have to weigh the pros and cons of their actions, and more often than not act in self interest. So unless individuals are well prepared to self quarantine and movement is restricted and enforced it will still spread. What happens when everyone has been home for two weeks or more, people run out of food, stores aren’t open, and even if they were those driving the trucks to resupply them haven’t been to work? Modern people and society can’t function with the shut down required to prevent the spread of a pandemic. We’re just fortunate this virus apparently “only” has a 2% death rate because it’s a folly to believe anything can realistically be done to stop it. Testing kits would help cut the number of infected people , by reducing the time the contaminated person is out in the general public domain spreading the virus as present most people show symptoms after 10 days as similar to cold symptoms most people discard their symptoms and carry on in public life by spreading the virus . Testing kits will shorten the time the person is mixing in public ,cut the numbers of infection and helps the NHS and gives further time until peak is reached The death rate can drastically change as the virus is in its infant stage and not enough research has been studied yet to reach that conclusion, the stats are based on study over two months yet numbers are increasing daily ? remember governments are good at releasing stats to aid their agenda , but may be bias or not up to date , everything released to date is damage control ,nothing effective has been put in place yet
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by NYart on Mar 15, 2020 1:32:46 GMT 1, Seems people are rather optimistic thinking that government and policies can control the spread of a virus. There’s really only two options, continue as normal and let it run it’s course. Or completely shut down everything and more or less impose martial law. If you half ass it like most places have been doing, canceling school here and there, closing borders and restricting travel, but not completely restricting everyone fo their homes, it still spreads. Testing is great in theory, but what does it achieve? The end result is the same, self quarantine. Whether you have symptoms or you’ve been confirmed positive, they tell you to self quarantine. Sure those in contact with you now know to worry, but if everything isn’t shut down yet, are they going to not work for the next two weeks on the off chance their contact with you infected them? People as individuals have to weigh the pros and cons of their actions, and more often than not act in self interest. So unless individuals are well prepared to self quarantine and movement is restricted and enforced it will still spread. What happens when everyone has been home for two weeks or more, people run out of food, stores aren’t open, and even if they were those driving the trucks to resupply them haven’t been to work? Modern people and society can’t function with the shut down required to prevent the spread of a pandemic. We’re just fortunate this virus apparently “only” has a 2% death rate because it’s a folly to believe anything can realistically be done to stop it. Testing kits would help cut the number of infected people , by reducing the time the contaminated person is out in the general public domain spreading the virus as present most people show symptoms after 10 days as similar to cold symptoms most people discard their symptoms and carry on in public life by spreading the virus . Testing kits will shorten the time the person is mixing in public ,cut the numbers of infection and helps the NHS and gives further time until peak is reached
By the time they show symptoms and know to be tested they’ve already had multiple days to spread it. At this point in time, anyone who is ill should self quarantine themself out of caution regardless of testing positive for COVID. I’m not trying to argue that testing shouldn’t be more available, but it really doesn’t solve anything. Especially if people are more concerned about themselves than others. Would testing positive for covid make them more likely to not break their self quarantine versus knowing theyre sick and ‘maybe having it’? Perhaps, but that’s the biggest positive about upping the testing. The insufficient testing is just a scape goat for explaining something that really can’t be controlled. We could test everyone to make people feel better, than the following week have an increase in infections.
Seems people are rather optimistic thinking that government and policies can control the spread of a virus. There’s really only two options, continue as normal and let it run it’s course. Or completely shut down everything and more or less impose martial law. If you half ass it like most places have been doing, canceling school here and there, closing borders and restricting travel, but not completely restricting everyone fo their homes, it still spreads. Testing is great in theory, but what does it achieve? The end result is the same, self quarantine. Whether you have symptoms or you’ve been confirmed positive, they tell you to self quarantine. Sure those in contact with you now know to worry, but if everything isn’t shut down yet, are they going to not work for the next two weeks on the off chance their contact with you infected them? People as individuals have to weigh the pros and cons of their actions, and more often than not act in self interest. So unless individuals are well prepared to self quarantine and movement is restricted and enforced it will still spread. What happens when everyone has been home for two weeks or more, people run out of food, stores aren’t open, and even if they were those driving the trucks to resupply them haven’t been to work? Modern people and society can’t function with the shut down required to prevent the spread of a pandemic. We’re just fortunate this virus apparently “only” has a 2% death rate because it’s a folly to believe anything can realistically be done to stop it. Testing kits would help cut the number of infected people , by reducing the time the contaminated person is out in the general public domain spreading the virus as present most people show symptoms after 10 days as similar to cold symptoms most people discard their symptoms and carry on in public life by spreading the virus . Testing kits will shorten the time the person is mixing in public ,cut the numbers of infection and helps the NHS and gives further time until peak is reached By the time they show symptoms and know to be tested they’ve already had multiple days to spread it. At this point in time, anyone who is ill should self quarantine themself out of caution regardless of testing positive for COVID. I’m not trying to argue that testing shouldn’t be more available, but it really doesn’t solve anything. Especially if people are more concerned about themselves than others. Would testing positive for covid make them more likely to not break their self quarantine versus knowing theyre sick and ‘maybe having it’? Perhaps, but that’s the biggest positive about upping the testing. The insufficient testing is just a scape goat for explaining something that really can’t be controlled. We could test everyone to make people feel better, than the following week have an increase in infections.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Mar 15, 2020 1:45:33 GMT 1, Testing kits would help cut the number of infected people , by reducing the time the contaminated person is out in the general public domain spreading the virus as present most people show symptoms after 10 days as similar to cold symptoms most people discard their symptoms and carry on in public life by spreading the virus . Testing kits will shorten the time the person is mixing in public ,cut the numbers of infection and helps the NHS and gives further time until peak is reached By the time they show symptoms and know to be tested they’ve already had multiple days to spread it. At this point in time, anyone who is ill should self quarantine themself out of caution regardless of testing positive for COVID. I’m not trying to argue that testing shouldn’t be more available, but it really doesn’t solve anything. Especially if people are more concerned about themselves than others. Would testing positive for covid make them more likely to not break their self quarantine versus knowing theyre sick and ‘maybe having it’? Perhaps, but that’s the biggest positive about upping the testing. The insufficient testing is just a scape goat for explaining something that really can’t be controlled. We could test everyone to make people feel better, than the following week have an increase in infections. It would drive the numbers down for the concious members of the public to follow but as I showed earlier in a few links there are people with hate in the public purposefully spitting in the public on items ,hand rails ,lift buttons, traffic light buttons etc majority of the public would follow recommendations and self isolate earlier . agree only martial law would contain which is almost the level Italy is on course . I have a keen interest in ongoing situations as i am in the emergency service sector ,also a registered carer for a 99 year old and have a young child
Testing kits would help cut the number of infected people , by reducing the time the contaminated person is out in the general public domain spreading the virus as present most people show symptoms after 10 days as similar to cold symptoms most people discard their symptoms and carry on in public life by spreading the virus . Testing kits will shorten the time the person is mixing in public ,cut the numbers of infection and helps the NHS and gives further time until peak is reached By the time they show symptoms and know to be tested they’ve already had multiple days to spread it. At this point in time, anyone who is ill should self quarantine themself out of caution regardless of testing positive for COVID. I’m not trying to argue that testing shouldn’t be more available, but it really doesn’t solve anything. Especially if people are more concerned about themselves than others. Would testing positive for covid make them more likely to not break their self quarantine versus knowing theyre sick and ‘maybe having it’? Perhaps, but that’s the biggest positive about upping the testing. The insufficient testing is just a scape goat for explaining something that really can’t be controlled. We could test everyone to make people feel better, than the following week have an increase in infections. It would drive the numbers down for the concious members of the public to follow but as I showed earlier in a few links there are people with hate in the public purposefully spitting in the public on items ,hand rails ,lift buttons, traffic light buttons etc majority of the public would follow recommendations and self isolate earlier . agree only martial law would contain which is almost the level Italy is on course . I have a keen interest in ongoing situations as i am in the emergency service sector ,also a registered carer for a 99 year old and have a young child
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Express Post on Mar 15, 2020 1:45:57 GMT 1, To date, South Korea pop. 51m have completed 250,000 tests, USA pop. 329m have only completed 14,000 tests. A lot of the us testing kits are faulty.
The Trump admin were given a headstart in Feb to do something about this but pissed away the opportunity. Also the us offices of organizations I dealt with in Feb were complacent in their attitudes.
Seems people are rather optimistic thinking that government and policies can control the spread of a virus. There’s really only two options, continue as normal and let it run it’s course. Or completely shut down everything and more or less impose martial law. If you half ass it like most places have been doing, canceling school here and there, closing borders and restricting travel, but not completely restricting everyone fo their homes, it still spreads. Testing is great in theory, but what does it achieve? The end result is the same, self quarantine. Whether you have symptoms or you’ve been confirmed positive, they tell you to self quarantine. Sure those in contact with you now know to worry, but if everything isn’t shut down yet, are they going to not work for the next two weeks on the off chance their contact with you infected them? People as individuals have to weigh the pros and cons of their actions, and more often than not act in self interest. So unless individuals are well prepared to self quarantine and movement is restricted and enforced it will still spread. What happens when everyone has been home for two weeks or more, people run out of food, stores aren’t open, and even if they were those driving the trucks to resupply them haven’t been to work? Modern people and society can’t function with the shut down required to prevent the spread of a pandemic. We’re just fortunate this virus apparently “only” has a 2% death rate because it’s a folly to believe anything can realistically be done to stop it. Testing kits would help cut the number of infected people , by reducing the time the contaminated person is out in the general public domain spreading the virus as present most people show symptoms after 10 days as similar to cold symptoms most people discard their symptoms and carry on in public life by spreading the virus . Testing kits will shorten the time the person is mixing in public ,cut the numbers of infection and helps the NHS and gives further time until peak is reached The death rate can drastically change as the virus is in its infant stage and not enough research has been studied yet to reach that conclusion, the stats are based on study over two months yet numbers are increasing daily ?
To date, South Korea pop. 51m have completed 250,000 tests, USA pop. 329m have only completed 14,000 tests. A lot of the us testing kits are faulty. The Trump admin were given a headstart in Feb to do something about this but pissed away the opportunity. Also the us offices of organizations I dealt with in Feb were complacent in their attitudes. Seems people are rather optimistic thinking that government and policies can control the spread of a virus. There’s really only two options, continue as normal and let it run it’s course. Or completely shut down everything and more or less impose martial law. If you half ass it like most places have been doing, canceling school here and there, closing borders and restricting travel, but not completely restricting everyone fo their homes, it still spreads. Testing is great in theory, but what does it achieve? The end result is the same, self quarantine. Whether you have symptoms or you’ve been confirmed positive, they tell you to self quarantine. Sure those in contact with you now know to worry, but if everything isn’t shut down yet, are they going to not work for the next two weeks on the off chance their contact with you infected them? People as individuals have to weigh the pros and cons of their actions, and more often than not act in self interest. So unless individuals are well prepared to self quarantine and movement is restricted and enforced it will still spread. What happens when everyone has been home for two weeks or more, people run out of food, stores aren’t open, and even if they were those driving the trucks to resupply them haven’t been to work? Modern people and society can’t function with the shut down required to prevent the spread of a pandemic. We’re just fortunate this virus apparently “only” has a 2% death rate because it’s a folly to believe anything can realistically be done to stop it. Testing kits would help cut the number of infected people , by reducing the time the contaminated person is out in the general public domain spreading the virus as present most people show symptoms after 10 days as similar to cold symptoms most people discard their symptoms and carry on in public life by spreading the virus . Testing kits will shorten the time the person is mixing in public ,cut the numbers of infection and helps the NHS and gives further time until peak is reached The death rate can drastically change as the virus is in its infant stage and not enough research has been studied yet to reach that conclusion, the stats are based on study over two months yet numbers are increasing daily ?
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by NYart on Mar 15, 2020 1:53:34 GMT 1, By the time they show symptoms and know to be tested they’ve already had multiple days to spread it. At this point in time, anyone who is ill should self quarantine themself out of caution regardless of testing positive for COVID. I’m not trying to argue that testing shouldn’t be more available, but it really doesn’t solve anything. Especially if people are more concerned about themselves than others. Would testing positive for covid make them more likely to not break their self quarantine versus knowing theyre sick and ‘maybe having it’? Perhaps, but that’s the biggest positive about upping the testing. The insufficient testing is just a scape goat for explaining something that really can’t be controlled. We could test everyone to make people feel better, than the following week have an increase in infections. It would drive the numbers down for the concious members of the public to follow but as I showed earlier in a few links there are people with hate in the public purposefully spitting in the public on items ,hand rails ,lift buttons, traffic light buttons etc majority of the public would follow recommendations and self isolate earlier . agree only martial law would contain which is almost the level Italy is on course . I have a keen interest in ongoing situations as i am in the emergency service sector ,also a registered carer for a 99 year old and have a young child
I’d say the one policy change that could make a significant difference is guaranteed paid sick leave. It would help keep those who don’t have PTO, enough of it to self quarantine for two weeks, or those who can’t afford to take unpaid leave at home. But then there’s always the factor of are they prepared and able to isolate themselves for 14 days? Being willing to self quarantine is one thing, being able to is another. Got to imagine not many are. But that coupled with a wider availability of testing could definitely put a dent in it, but obviously couldn’t eliminate it.
By the time they show symptoms and know to be tested they’ve already had multiple days to spread it. At this point in time, anyone who is ill should self quarantine themself out of caution regardless of testing positive for COVID. I’m not trying to argue that testing shouldn’t be more available, but it really doesn’t solve anything. Especially if people are more concerned about themselves than others. Would testing positive for covid make them more likely to not break their self quarantine versus knowing theyre sick and ‘maybe having it’? Perhaps, but that’s the biggest positive about upping the testing. The insufficient testing is just a scape goat for explaining something that really can’t be controlled. We could test everyone to make people feel better, than the following week have an increase in infections. It would drive the numbers down for the concious members of the public to follow but as I showed earlier in a few links there are people with hate in the public purposefully spitting in the public on items ,hand rails ,lift buttons, traffic light buttons etc majority of the public would follow recommendations and self isolate earlier . agree only martial law would contain which is almost the level Italy is on course . I have a keen interest in ongoing situations as i am in the emergency service sector ,also a registered carer for a 99 year old and have a young child I’d say the one policy change that could make a significant difference is guaranteed paid sick leave. It would help keep those who don’t have PTO, enough of it to self quarantine for two weeks, or those who can’t afford to take unpaid leave at home. But then there’s always the factor of are they prepared and able to isolate themselves for 14 days? Being willing to self quarantine is one thing, being able to is another. Got to imagine not many are. But that coupled with a wider availability of testing could definitely put a dent in it, but obviously couldn’t eliminate it.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Express Post on Mar 15, 2020 1:57:52 GMT 1, South Korea and Italy both started with Covid-19 at the same time in Jan/Feb. South Korea went testing like crazy, and Italy didn't.
Now Italians have over 21k cases 1400+ dead, and South Korea only 8k cases 72 dead. Testing is better than not testing, numbers don't lie.
Right now Italy lead China in infections per million. Italy - 21k infections per pop. 60M China - 80k infections per pop. 1.4B
This will start the xenophobia towards italians and their pizza and pasta restaurants.
Testing kits would help cut the number of infected people , by reducing the time the contaminated person is out in the general public domain spreading the virus as present most people show symptoms after 10 days as similar to cold symptoms most people discard their symptoms and carry on in public life by spreading the virus . Testing kits will shorten the time the person is mixing in public ,cut the numbers of infection and helps the NHS and gives further time until peak is reached By the time they show symptoms and know to be tested they’ve already had multiple days to spread it. At this point in time, anyone who is ill should self quarantine themself out of caution regardless of testing positive for COVID. I’m not trying to argue that testing shouldn’t be more available, but it really doesn’t solve anything. Especially if people are more concerned about themselves than others. Would testing positive for covid make them more likely to not break their self quarantine versus knowing theyre sick and ‘maybe having it’? Perhaps, but that’s the biggest positive about upping the testing. The insufficient testing is just a scape goat for explaining something that really can’t be controlled. We could test everyone to make people feel better, than the following week have an increase in infections.
South Korea and Italy both started with Covid-19 at the same time in Jan/Feb. South Korea went testing like crazy, and Italy didn't. Now Italians have over 21k cases 1400+ dead, and South Korea only 8k cases 72 dead. Testing is better than not testing, numbers don't lie. Right now Italy lead China in infections per million. Italy - 21k infections per pop. 60M China - 80k infections per pop. 1.4B This will start the xenophobia towards italians and their pizza and pasta restaurants. Testing kits would help cut the number of infected people , by reducing the time the contaminated person is out in the general public domain spreading the virus as present most people show symptoms after 10 days as similar to cold symptoms most people discard their symptoms and carry on in public life by spreading the virus . Testing kits will shorten the time the person is mixing in public ,cut the numbers of infection and helps the NHS and gives further time until peak is reached By the time they show symptoms and know to be tested they’ve already had multiple days to spread it. At this point in time, anyone who is ill should self quarantine themself out of caution regardless of testing positive for COVID. I’m not trying to argue that testing shouldn’t be more available, but it really doesn’t solve anything. Especially if people are more concerned about themselves than others. Would testing positive for covid make them more likely to not break their self quarantine versus knowing theyre sick and ‘maybe having it’? Perhaps, but that’s the biggest positive about upping the testing. The insufficient testing is just a scape goat for explaining something that really can’t be controlled. We could test everyone to make people feel better, than the following week have an increase in infections.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Momo on Mar 15, 2020 2:01:18 GMT 1, Actually the health system in Italy is one of the best in the world. Just as a comparison vs. UK, Italy has 5x more places for intensive care (per 100,000 people) than UK. Absolutely false. Anywhere people are in close contact together can be compared, which is about anywhere seasonal flu peaks can occur, which is about anywhere in the world, but a few places maybe like Antarctica. A few cities North of Italy is absolutely no different than what could happen in London or in any city in the UK once it gets in. A better capacity in your hospitals and a better health system in general will help, maybe that's a weak point in Italy, but it will be bad if you don't do anything to contain it.
Just read a similar statistic the other day that had us here in Ireland at or near the bottom of the list which is not reassuring as somebody with Asthma with older and infirmed relatives. At least our government is stepping up to the plate and trying to deal with this.
Actually the health system in Italy is one of the best in the world. Just as a comparison vs. UK, Italy has 5x more places for intensive care (per 100,000 people) than UK. Absolutely false. Anywhere people are in close contact together can be compared, which is about anywhere seasonal flu peaks can occur, which is about anywhere in the world, but a few places maybe like Antarctica. A few cities North of Italy is absolutely no different than what could happen in London or in any city in the UK once it gets in. A better capacity in your hospitals and a better health system in general will help, maybe that's a weak point in Italy, but it will be bad if you don't do anything to contain it. Just read a similar statistic the other day that had us here in Ireland at or near the bottom of the list which is not reassuring as somebody with Asthma with older and infirmed relatives. At least our government is stepping up to the plate and trying to deal with this.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by NYart on Mar 15, 2020 2:06:16 GMT 1, South Korea and Italy both started with Covid-19 at the same time in Jan/Feb. South Korea went testing like crazy, and Italy didn't. Now Italians have over 21k cases 1400+ dead, and South Korea only 8k cases 72 dead. Testing is better than not testing, numbers don't lie. Right now Italy lead China in infections per million. Italy - 21k infections per pop. 60M China - 80k infections per pop. 1.4B This will start the xenophobia towards italians and their pizza and pasta restaurants. By the time they show symptoms and know to be tested they’ve already had multiple days to spread it. At this point in time, anyone who is ill should self quarantine themself out of caution regardless of testing positive for COVID. I’m not trying to argue that testing shouldn’t be more available, but it really doesn’t solve anything. Especially if people are more concerned about themselves than others. Would testing positive for covid make them more likely to not break their self quarantine versus knowing theyre sick and ‘maybe having it’? Perhaps, but that’s the biggest positive about upping the testing. The insufficient testing is just a scape goat for explaining something that really can’t be controlled. We could test everyone to make people feel better, than the following week have an increase in infections.
As I said before, I’m certainly not anti testing, just not convinced it’s much more than a feel good thing. If people are unable or unwilling to self quarantine it really does nothing. Even if they are they’ve had days to spread it before testing positive.
It’s worth mentioning that correlation isn’t necessarily causation. Just because South Korea tested more and has lower rates of infection than Italy doesn’t necessarily mean it itself has prevented the spread. Maybe South Koreans are more willing to stay at home when ill, it certainly seems they’re more willing to take precautions than us in the US. I haven’t seen a single individual in public wearing a mask. Any pictures I see from over there they all have them on public transportation. There’s certainly cultural and societal differences between Italy and South Korea, any in terms of social interaction or anything of that nature could certainly have a significant impact on transmission rates.
South Korea and Italy both started with Covid-19 at the same time in Jan/Feb. South Korea went testing like crazy, and Italy didn't. Now Italians have over 21k cases 1400+ dead, and South Korea only 8k cases 72 dead. Testing is better than not testing, numbers don't lie. Right now Italy lead China in infections per million. Italy - 21k infections per pop. 60M China - 80k infections per pop. 1.4B This will start the xenophobia towards italians and their pizza and pasta restaurants. By the time they show symptoms and know to be tested they’ve already had multiple days to spread it. At this point in time, anyone who is ill should self quarantine themself out of caution regardless of testing positive for COVID. I’m not trying to argue that testing shouldn’t be more available, but it really doesn’t solve anything. Especially if people are more concerned about themselves than others. Would testing positive for covid make them more likely to not break their self quarantine versus knowing theyre sick and ‘maybe having it’? Perhaps, but that’s the biggest positive about upping the testing. The insufficient testing is just a scape goat for explaining something that really can’t be controlled. We could test everyone to make people feel better, than the following week have an increase in infections. As I said before, I’m certainly not anti testing, just not convinced it’s much more than a feel good thing. If people are unable or unwilling to self quarantine it really does nothing. Even if they are they’ve had days to spread it before testing positive. It’s worth mentioning that correlation isn’t necessarily causation. Just because South Korea tested more and has lower rates of infection than Italy doesn’t necessarily mean it itself has prevented the spread. Maybe South Koreans are more willing to stay at home when ill, it certainly seems they’re more willing to take precautions than us in the US. I haven’t seen a single individual in public wearing a mask. Any pictures I see from over there they all have them on public transportation. There’s certainly cultural and societal differences between Italy and South Korea, any in terms of social interaction or anything of that nature could certainly have a significant impact on transmission rates.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Express Post on Mar 15, 2020 2:19:37 GMT 1, At this point, we won't know the cause of the spread in each region.
However the finger pointing will inevitably happen for countries with high levels of infections and deaths. Who's to blame, a complacent government or the complacent public?
South Korea and Italy both started with Covid-19 at the same time in Jan/Feb. South Korea went testing like crazy, and Italy didn't. Now Italians have over 21k cases 1400+ dead, and South Korea only 8k cases 72 dead. Testing is better than not testing, numbers don't lie. Right now Italy lead China in infections per million. Italy - 21k infections per pop. 60M China - 80k infections per pop. 1.4B This will start the xenophobia towards italians and their pizza and pasta restaurants. As I said before, I’m certainly not anti testing, just not convinced it’s much more than a feel good thing. If people are unable or unwilling to self quarantine it really does nothing. Even if they are they’ve had days to spread it before testing positive. It’s worth mentioning that correlation isn’t necessarily causation. Just because South Korea tested more and has lower rates of infection than Italy doesn’t necessarily mean it itself has prevented the spread. Maybe South Koreans are more willing to stay at home when ill, it certainly seems they’re more willing to take precautions than us in the US. I haven’t seen a single individual in public wearing a mask. Any pictures I see from over there they all have them on public transportation. There’s certainly cultural and societal differences between Italy and South Korea, any in terms of social interaction or anything of that nature could certainly have a significant impact on transmission rates.
At this point, we won't know the cause of the spread in each region. However the finger pointing will inevitably happen for countries with high levels of infections and deaths. Who's to blame, a complacent government or the complacent public? South Korea and Italy both started with Covid-19 at the same time in Jan/Feb. South Korea went testing like crazy, and Italy didn't. Now Italians have over 21k cases 1400+ dead, and South Korea only 8k cases 72 dead. Testing is better than not testing, numbers don't lie. Right now Italy lead China in infections per million. Italy - 21k infections per pop. 60M China - 80k infections per pop. 1.4B This will start the xenophobia towards italians and their pizza and pasta restaurants. As I said before, I’m certainly not anti testing, just not convinced it’s much more than a feel good thing. If people are unable or unwilling to self quarantine it really does nothing. Even if they are they’ve had days to spread it before testing positive. It’s worth mentioning that correlation isn’t necessarily causation. Just because South Korea tested more and has lower rates of infection than Italy doesn’t necessarily mean it itself has prevented the spread. Maybe South Koreans are more willing to stay at home when ill, it certainly seems they’re more willing to take precautions than us in the US. I haven’t seen a single individual in public wearing a mask. Any pictures I see from over there they all have them on public transportation. There’s certainly cultural and societal differences between Italy and South Korea, any in terms of social interaction or anything of that nature could certainly have a significant impact on transmission rates.
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