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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Apr 5, 2020 23:04:47 GMT 1, Not mentioned much , but mentioned previously using students in final medical school year to be in front line positions will have a psychological toll on some ,as now being discussed by senior doctors , as the influx of death cases is way more than usual and is starting to have an impact on mental welfare of staff also on senior staff too , medical school does not really prepare you for actual death in real time .. In numerous countries Battling the pandemic there are now reports of medical staff suicides , some staff are having breakdowns and not going to work as in fear for personal safety and their family , have the government put in place assistance programmes for such scenarios for staff and back up to replace staffing numbers ?
Governments have money for bullets and bombs but can't event supply masks and protective clothing and kit for people working in hospitals.
If it carries on this way, somethings gotta give and things could get ugly (for the government)
Not mentioned much , but mentioned previously using students in final medical school year to be in front line positions will have a psychological toll on some ,as now being discussed by senior doctors , as the influx of death cases is way more than usual and is starting to have an impact on mental welfare of staff also on senior staff too , medical school does not really prepare you for actual death in real time .. In numerous countries Battling the pandemic there are now reports of medical staff suicides , some staff are having breakdowns and not going to work as in fear for personal safety and their family , have the government put in place assistance programmes for such scenarios for staff and back up to replace staffing numbers ? Too much pressure put on medical staff and not enough support. That applies to most governments in europe in this pandemic situation. One young front line nurse was told to make her will before working on the front line. It's not NHS policy and was told to her by other front line staff. Governments have money for bullets and bombs but can't event supply masks and protective clothing and kit for people working in hospitals. If it carries on this way, somethings gotta give and things could get ugly (for the government) |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by .dappy on Apr 5, 2020 23:19:04 GMT 1, ... all you ever talk about and appear to want is social discourse and riot ... you appear to live your whole life and fill your mind with that supposition ...
... all you ever talk about and appear to want is social discourse and riot ... you appear to live your whole life and fill your mind with that supposition ...
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 5, 2020 23:20:36 GMT 1, Not mentioned much , but mentioned previously using students in final medical school year to be in front line positions will have a psychological toll on some ,as now being discussed by senior doctors , as the influx of death cases is way more than usual and is starting to have an impact on mental welfare of staff also on senior staff too , medical school does not really prepare you for actual death in real time .. In numerous countries Battling the pandemic there are now reports of medical staff suicides , some staff are having breakdowns and not going to work as in fear for personal safety and their family , have the government put in place assistance programmes for such scenarios for staff and back up to replace staffing numbers ? ย Too much pressure put on medical staff and not enough support. That applies to most governments in europe in this pandemic situation. One young front line nurse was told to make her will before working on the front line. It's not NHS policy and was told to her by other front line staff. ย Governments have money for bullets and bombs but can't event supply masks and protective clothing and kit for people working in hospitals. If it carries on this way, somethings gotta give and things could get ugly (for the government)
The biggest tragedy of the lack of Ppe is that the government foresaw the issue and had implemented plans and set legislation to stockpile warehouses all over the country for times of crisis but this was not actioned
Budget reports when this is over to see costs spent on defence budget and research and costs on nhs and medical research .
Shows budgets needs to increased for the nhs , army , police,fire service and school teachers , the core services of all the country relies upon now
What is the point of having first class arms for defence if the army can not use items as is infected by a pandemic and calculated 30% could die ?
Not mentioned much , but mentioned previously using students in final medical school year to be in front line positions will have a psychological toll on some ,as now being discussed by senior doctors , as the influx of death cases is way more than usual and is starting to have an impact on mental welfare of staff also on senior staff too , medical school does not really prepare you for actual death in real time .. In numerous countries Battling the pandemic there are now reports of medical staff suicides , some staff are having breakdowns and not going to work as in fear for personal safety and their family , have the government put in place assistance programmes for such scenarios for staff and back up to replace staffing numbers ? ย Too much pressure put on medical staff and not enough support. That applies to most governments in europe in this pandemic situation. One young front line nurse was told to make her will before working on the front line. It's not NHS policy and was told to her by other front line staff. ย Governments have money for bullets and bombs but can't event supply masks and protective clothing and kit for people working in hospitals. If it carries on this way, somethings gotta give and things could get ugly (for the government) The biggest tragedy of the lack of Ppe is that the government foresaw the issue and had implemented plans and set legislation to stockpile warehouses all over the country for times of crisis but this was not actioned Budget reports when this is over to see costs spent on defence budget and research and costs on nhs and medical research . Shows budgets needs to increased for the nhs , army , police,fire service and school teachers , the core services of all the country relies upon now What is the point of having first class arms for defence if the army can not use items as is infected by a pandemic and calculated 30% could die ? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by .dappy on Apr 5, 2020 23:21:39 GMT 1, ... there are approximately 700,000 nurses in the UK alone ... you allegedly found one ... what a quote to make ...
'One young front line nurse was told to make her will before working on the front line. It's not NHS policy and was told to her by other front line staff.'
... there are approximately 700,000 nurses in the UK alone ... you allegedly found one ... what a quote to make ...
'One young front line nurse was told to make her will before working on the front line. It's not NHS policy and was told to her by other front line staff.'
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 5, 2020 23:30:18 GMT 1, ... all you ever talk about and appear to want is social discourse and riot ... you appear to live your whole life and fill your mind with that supposition ...
Think that scale of disruption would not happen in the uk, more people understand the greater picture and have core family values and understand the impact on the greater community
The majority flouting laws portrayed by the media are the middle classes which you would think would be more aligned to government instruction, even the Scottish health minister ๐
The government have not got enough police to govern a whole nation of civil disruption were to occur , units are often drafted from neighbouring forces for one isolated incident so on a national level with advisors calculating a percentage would not be fit for duty as of infection it is the last route to engage .
Army is to be used only for logistical support as recommended by government report , also noted from the same actions in European countries .
... all you ever talk about and appear to want is social discourse and riot ... you appear to live your whole life and fill your mind with that supposition ... Think that scale of disruption would not happen in the uk, more people understand the greater picture and have core family values and understand the impact on the greater community The majority flouting laws portrayed by the media are the middle classes which you would think would be more aligned to government instruction, even the Scottish health minister ๐ The government have not got enough police to govern a whole nation of civil disruption were to occur , units are often drafted from neighbouring forces for one isolated incident so on a national level with advisors calculating a percentage would not be fit for duty as of infection it is the last route to engage . Army is to be used only for logistical support as recommended by government report , also noted from the same actions in European countries . |
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moron
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Apr 5, 2020 23:34:26 GMT 1, ... there are approximately 700,000 nurses in the UK alone ... you allegedly found one ... what a quote to make ... 'One young front line nurse was told to make her will before working on the front line. It's not NHS policy and was told to her by other front line staff.'
... there are approximately 700,000 nurses in the UK alone ... you allegedly found one ... what a quote to make ... 'One young front line nurse was told to make her will before working on the front line. It's not NHS policy and was told to her by other front line staff.' what would Dappy do? Tell me, what would Dappy do? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Apr 5, 2020 23:38:40 GMT 1, ... all you ever talk about and appear to want is social discourse and riot ... you appear to live your whole life and fill your mind with that supposition ... Think that scale of disruption would not happen in the uk, more people understand the greater picture and have core family values and understand the impact on the greater community The majority flouting laws portrayed by the media are the middle classes which you would think would be more aligned to government instruction, even the Scottish health minister ๐ The government have not got enough police to govern a whole nation of civil disruption were to occur , units are often drafted from neighbouring forces for one isolated incident so on a national level with advisors calculating a percentage would not be fit for duty as of infection it is the last route to engage . Army is to be used only for logistical support as recommended by government report , also noted from the same actions in European countries .
If it kicks off in one city or large town it can spread to other european cities.
... all you ever talk about and appear to want is social discourse and riot ... you appear to live your whole life and fill your mind with that supposition ... Think that scale of disruption would not happen in the uk, more people understand the greater picture and have core family values and understand the impact on the greater community The majority flouting laws portrayed by the media are the middle classes which you would think would be more aligned to government instruction, even the Scottish health minister ๐ The government have not got enough police to govern a whole nation of civil disruption were to occur , units are often drafted from neighbouring forces for one isolated incident so on a national level with advisors calculating a percentage would not be fit for duty as of infection it is the last route to engage . Army is to be used only for logistical support as recommended by government report , also noted from the same actions in European countries . It can easily happen in any EU country that does not handle the situation properly and ignores people who are locked down who are on low incomes, self employed and small businesses who are told they will not get any help because they do not qualify. If it kicks off in one city or large town it can spread to other european cities. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Masong on Apr 5, 2020 23:40:12 GMT 1, ... there are approximately 700,000 nurses in the UK alone ... you allegedly found one ... what a quote to make ... 'One young front line nurse was told to make her will before working on the front line. It's not NHS policy and was told to her by other front line staff.' what would Dappy do? Tell me, what would Dappy do?
Now I never thought Iโd do this but...
... there are approximately 700,000 nurses in the UK alone ... you allegedly found one ... what a quote to make ... 'One young front line nurse was told to make her will before working on the front line. It's not NHS policy and was told to her by other front line staff.' what would Dappy do? Tell me, what would Dappy do? Now I never thought Iโd do this but... |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Apr 5, 2020 23:44:45 GMT 1, ... there are approximately 700,000 nurses in the UK alone ... you allegedly found one ... what a quote to make ... 'One young front line nurse was told to make her will before working on the front line. It's not NHS policy and was told to her by other front line staff.'
Actually it was health bosses who advised her.
... there are approximately 700,000 nurses in the UK alone ... you allegedly found one ... what a quote to make ... 'One young front line nurse was told to make her will before working on the front line. It's not NHS policy and was told to her by other front line staff.' Actually it was health bosses who advised her. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 5, 2020 23:56:24 GMT 1, ... there are approximately 700,000 nurses in the UK alone ... you allegedly found one ... what a quote to make ... 'One young front line nurse was told to make her will before working on the front line. It's not NHS policy and was told to her by other front line staff.'
it is still pretty impactful as a statement no matter what numbers presented , when you go to work , a place of safety in normal times where you now have a high probability of death where there is no cure as yet , remember these staff see the real picture unknown to the general public .
Stated already death is not at the forefront of many younger generations thoughts of under 60 years of age as many presume a full life until old age until they contemplate death , although accidents or illness that lead to death can present at any time in life
... there are approximately 700,000 nurses in the UK alone ... you allegedly found one ... what a quote to make ... 'One young front line nurse was told to make her will before working on the front line. It's not NHS policy and was told to her by other front line staff.' it is still pretty impactful as a statement no matter what numbers presented , when you go to work , a place of safety in normal times where you now have a high probability of death where there is no cure as yet , remember these staff see the real picture unknown to the general public . Stated already death is not at the forefront of many younger generations thoughts of under 60 years of age as many presume a full life until old age until they contemplate death , although accidents or illness that lead to death can present at any time in life |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by pellets on Apr 6, 2020 0:02:22 GMT 1, ย They probably chose that one because it was the easiest to steal because it was stolen from a small institution with poor security not from the high security Van Gogh museum. It could be anywhere in the world by now. It could be used as collatoral at a fraction of it's value in an underworld deal or it could have been stolen to order. People steal things all the time including antiquities, rare books and from art etc from museums.ย ย (I wouldn't be surprised if someone is building up a collection of high value art stolen from small museums in europe) [ Museum of stolen art. Brilliant. Theft of art is so fashinating, canโt help it. I love to read about them. Picasso housekeeper, kept me buzy for a long time.
Went to the Munch museum in Oslo last year and the whole exhibit was about how the Scream was stolen and the restoration process once the painting was recovered.
www.nasjonalmuseet.no/en/stories/explore-the-collection/edvard-munch-and-the-scream-in-the-national-museum/
ย They probably chose that one because it was the easiest to steal because it was stolen from a small institution with poor security not from the high security Van Gogh museum. It could be anywhere in the world by now. It could be used as collatoral at a fraction of it's value in an underworld deal or it could have been stolen to order. People steal things all the time including antiquities, rare books and from art etc from museums.ย ย (I wouldn't be surprised if someone is building up a collection of high value art stolen from small museums in europe) [ Museum of stolen art. Brilliant. Theft of art is so fashinating, canโt help it. I love to read about them. Picasso housekeeper, kept me buzy for a long time. Went to the Munch museum in Oslo last year and the whole exhibit was about how the Scream was stolen and the restoration process once the painting was recovered. www.nasjonalmuseet.no/en/stories/explore-the-collection/edvard-munch-and-the-scream-in-the-national-museum/ |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Apr 6, 2020 0:02:59 GMT 1, ... all you ever talk about and appear to want is social discourse and riot ... you appear to live your whole life and fill your mind with that supposition ...
You don't have to agree with what people write but please stop trolling as it's clear you are not here to debate anything.
... all you ever talk about and appear to want is social discourse and riot ... you appear to live your whole life and fill your mind with that supposition ... Dappy, it's a forum. It's not your forum. You don't have to agree with what people write but please stop trolling as it's clear you are not here to debate anything. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 6, 2020 0:12:21 GMT 1, If they enforced the law impartially there would be less people flouting the instructions ,
the majority were mostly affluent areas where people were sunbathing , were any fines handed out ? Instruction advice only , Scottish health minister was given advice after twice admitting , the first offence was only admitted as of a tweet she posted and worried journalist may find out later.
Fines should be in proportion to wage earnings to have a fair approach to society and will kick people into following instructions
The fines so far have mostly gone to people that were drunk or argued ๐
If they enforced the law impartially there would be less people flouting the instructions ,
the majority were mostly affluent areas where people were sunbathing , were any fines handed out ? Instruction advice only , Scottish health minister was given advice after twice admitting , the first offence was only admitted as of a tweet she posted and worried journalist may find out later.
Fines should be in proportion to wage earnings to have a fair approach to society and will kick people into following instructions
The fines so far have mostly gone to people that were drunk or argued ๐
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by .dappy on Apr 6, 2020 0:28:36 GMT 1, ... there are approximately 700,000 nurses in the UK alone ... you allegedly found one ... what a quote to make ... 'One young front line nurse was told to make her will before working on the front line. It's not NHS policy and was told to her by other front line staff.' ย Actually it was health bosses who advised her.ย
... don't see where it says 'health bosses' told her at all ... but that doesn't stop you reading into any article what you want ... ๐
... there are approximately 700,000 nurses in the UK alone ... you allegedly found one ... what a quote to make ... 'One young front line nurse was told to make her will before working on the front line. It's not NHS policy and was told to her by other front line staff.' ย Actually it was health bosses who advised her.ย ... don't see where it says 'health bosses' told her at all ... but that doesn't stop you reading into any article what you want ... ๐ |
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moron
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Apr 6, 2020 0:38:03 GMT 1, Actually it was health bosses who advised her. ... don't see where it says 'health bosses' told her at all ... but that doesn't stop you reading into any article what you like ... ๐
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Apr 6, 2020 0:48:37 GMT 1, If they enforced the law impartially there would be less people flouting the instructions , the majority were mostly affluent areas where people were sunbathing , were any fines handed out ? Instruction advice only , Scottish health minister was given advice after twice admitting , the first offence was only admitted as of a tweet she posted and worried journalist may find out later. Fines should be in proportion to wage earnings to have a fair approach to society and will kick people into following instructions The fines so far have mostly gone to people that were drunk or argued ๐
The EU has promoted and had open borders for years. Now that this highly contagious virus has spread from China and affected Europe. It's turned into every country for themselves. Each country left to deal with it by themselves and also with an eye on politics and the budget. Italy had a very strict lock down, so does Spain and France while UK is sort of a lock down in many peoples eyes because the government keeps moving the goal posts.
The WHO is sucking up to China and China has big investments in the UK.
The South Koreans appear to have handled the virus the best way where everyone wears a mask in public, keeps a distance from others when outside and also where everyone was tested quickly.
If they enforced the law impartially there would be less people flouting the instructions , the majority were mostly affluent areas where people were sunbathing , were any fines handed out ? Instruction advice only , Scottish health minister was given advice after twice admitting , the first offence was only admitted as of a tweet she posted and worried journalist may find out later. Fines should be in proportion to wage earnings to have a fair approach to society and will kick people into following instructions The fines so far have mostly gone to people that were drunk or argued ๐ The EU has promoted and had open borders for years. Now that this highly contagious virus has spread from China and affected Europe. It's turned into every country for themselves. Each country left to deal with it by themselves and also with an eye on politics and the budget. Italy had a very strict lock down, so does Spain and France while UK is sort of a lock down in many peoples eyes because the government keeps moving the goal posts. The WHO is sucking up to China and China has big investments in the UK. The South Koreans appear to have handled the virus the best way where everyone wears a mask in public, keeps a distance from others when outside and also where everyone was tested quickly. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by .dappy on Apr 6, 2020 0:55:23 GMT 1,
... and that article doesn't actually quote her, or even say that they have spoken to her or any of her colleagues ... they repeat what she says in her tweet ... other than the bit that you also 'added' ...
... no doubt you will quote from the daily express or daily mail soon ...
... and that article doesn't actually quote her, or even say that they have spoken to her or any of her colleagues ... they repeat what she says in her tweet ... other than the bit that you also 'added' ... ... no doubt you will quote from the daily express or daily mail soon ... |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 6, 2020 1:01:31 GMT 1, If they enforced the law impartially there would be less people flouting the instructions , the majority were mostly affluent areas where people were sunbathing , were any fines handed out ? Instruction advice only , Scottish health minister was given advice after twice admitting , the first offence was only admitted as of a tweet she posted and worried journalist may find out later. Fines should be in proportion to wage earnings to have a fair approach to society and will kick people into following instructions The fines so far have mostly gone to people that were drunk or argued ๐ ย ย The EU has promoted and had open borders for years. Now that this highly contagious virus has spread from China and affected Europe. It's turned into every country for themselves. Each country left to deal with it by themselves and also with an eye on politics and the budget. Italy had a very strict lock down, so does Spain and France while UK is sort of a lock down in many peoples eyes because the government keeps moving the goal posts. ย The WHO is sucking up to China and China has big investments in the UK. ย The South Koreans appear to have handled the virus the best way where everyone wears a mask in public, keeps a distance from others when outside and also where everyone was tested quickly.
The facts will come out years later , the uk has fallen short on many principles , the initial failure to follow their own policies in an event of a pandemic and the constant years of budget cuts on vital services and departments has caught them short .
Full testing of the whole population needs to be completed before implementing plans , using mathematical models creates too many variables and unknowns , this is now a long term crisis
If they enforced the law impartially there would be less people flouting the instructions , the majority were mostly affluent areas where people were sunbathing , were any fines handed out ? Instruction advice only , Scottish health minister was given advice after twice admitting , the first offence was only admitted as of a tweet she posted and worried journalist may find out later. Fines should be in proportion to wage earnings to have a fair approach to society and will kick people into following instructions The fines so far have mostly gone to people that were drunk or argued ๐ ย ย The EU has promoted and had open borders for years. Now that this highly contagious virus has spread from China and affected Europe. It's turned into every country for themselves. Each country left to deal with it by themselves and also with an eye on politics and the budget. Italy had a very strict lock down, so does Spain and France while UK is sort of a lock down in many peoples eyes because the government keeps moving the goal posts. ย The WHO is sucking up to China and China has big investments in the UK. ย The South Koreans appear to have handled the virus the best way where everyone wears a mask in public, keeps a distance from others when outside and also where everyone was tested quickly. The facts will come out years later , the uk has fallen short on many principles , the initial failure to follow their own policies in an event of a pandemic and the constant years of budget cuts on vital services and departments has caught them short . Full testing of the whole population needs to be completed before implementing plans , using mathematical models creates too many variables and unknowns , this is now a long term crisis |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 6, 2020 1:02:29 GMT 1, Class divide will definitely increase across the world
Class divide will definitely increase across the world
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Apr 6, 2020 1:18:06 GMT 1, The EU has promoted and had open borders for years. Now that this highly contagious virus has spread from China and affected Europe. It's turned into every country for themselves. Each country left to deal with it by themselves and also with an eye on politics and the budget. Italy had a very strict lock down, so does Spain and France while UK is sort of a lock down in many peoples eyes because the government keeps moving the goal posts. The WHO is sucking up to China and China has big investments in the UK. The South Koreans appear to have handled the virus the best way where everyone wears a mask in public, keeps a distance from others when outside and also where everyone was tested quickly. The facts will come out years later , the uk has fallen short on many principles , the initial failure to follow their own policies in an event of a pandemic and the constant years of budget cuts on vital services and departments has caught them short . Full testing of the whole population needs to be completed before implementing plans , using mathematical models creates too many variables and unknowns , this is now a long term crisis
Boris Johnson has been taken to hospital.
He could be there for a while.
Lets hope that any NHS whistleblowers and other people are protected when this pandemic has been dealt with.
Also lets hope that Sweden's government is doing the right thing by not having a lockdown and allowing people to self isolate and keep distances and wear masks as they see fit. Despite what some say. The Swedish scientific advisers backing the government are doing it for political reasons. The prime minister is hoping that by not having a lock down, the Swedish economy will not crash and people not lose their incomes and he will look good when it comes to the next election. Unfortunately if the virus takes off in a Swedish city it could overwhelm the medical services and hospitals there as it's done in Europe.
The EU has promoted and had open borders for years. Now that this highly contagious virus has spread from China and affected Europe. It's turned into every country for themselves. Each country left to deal with it by themselves and also with an eye on politics and the budget. Italy had a very strict lock down, so does Spain and France while UK is sort of a lock down in many peoples eyes because the government keeps moving the goal posts. The WHO is sucking up to China and China has big investments in the UK. The South Koreans appear to have handled the virus the best way where everyone wears a mask in public, keeps a distance from others when outside and also where everyone was tested quickly. The facts will come out years later , the uk has fallen short on many principles , the initial failure to follow their own policies in an event of a pandemic and the constant years of budget cuts on vital services and departments has caught them short . Full testing of the whole population needs to be completed before implementing plans , using mathematical models creates too many variables and unknowns , this is now a long term crisis Boris Johnson has been taken to hospital. He could be there for a while. Lets hope that any NHS whistleblowers and other people are protected when this pandemic has been dealt with. Also lets hope that Sweden's government is doing the right thing by not having a lockdown and allowing people to self isolate and keep distances and wear masks as they see fit. Despite what some say. The Swedish scientific advisers backing the government are doing it for political reasons. The prime minister is hoping that by not having a lock down, the Swedish economy will not crash and people not lose their incomes and he will look good when it comes to the next election. Unfortunately if the virus takes off in a Swedish city it could overwhelm the medical services and hospitals there as it's done in Europe. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Apr 6, 2020 1:21:19 GMT 1, Class divide will definitely increase across the world
Class divide will definitely increase across the world |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by moron on Apr 6, 2020 1:41:32 GMT 1,
From the WHO website.
"Should I wear a mask to protect myself?
Only wear a mask if you are ill with COVID-19 symptoms (especially coughing) or looking after someone who may have COVID-19. Disposable face mask can only be used once. If you are not ill or looking after someone who is ill then you are wasting a mask. There is a world-wide shortage of masks, so WHO urges people to use masks wisely.
WHO advises rational use of medical masks to avoid unnecessary wastage of precious resources and mis-use of masks "
www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses
So the WHO is telling people not to wear masks if they have no symptons because there is a global mask shortage.
That is not scientific advice or based on science.
Masks do protect people from catching covid and others from spreading it.
It's probably a main reason for the lock down too as opposed to allowing people to go to work etc wearing disposable masks.
From the WHO website. "Should I wear a mask to protect myself?
Only wear a mask if you are ill with COVID-19 symptoms (especially coughing) or looking after someone who may have COVID-19. Disposable face mask can only be used once. If you are not ill or looking after someone who is ill then you are wasting a mask. There is a world-wide shortage of masks, so WHO urges people to use masks wisely.
WHO advises rational use of medical masks to avoid unnecessary wastage of precious resources and mis-use of masks " www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronavirusesSo the WHO is telling people not to wear masks if they have no symptons because there is a global mask shortage. That is not scientific advice or based on science. Masks do protect people from catching covid and others from spreading it. It's probably a main reason for the lock down too as opposed to allowing people to go to work etc wearing disposable masks. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 6, 2020 1:43:47 GMT 1, The facts will come out years later , the uk has fallen short on many principles , the initial failure to follow their own policies in an event of a pandemic and the constant years of budget cuts on vital services and departments has caught them short . Full testing of the whole population needs to be completed before implementing plans , using mathematical models creates too many variables and unknowns , this is now a long term crisis ย ย Boris Johnson has been taken to hospital.ย He could be there for a while. ย Lets hope that any NHS whistleblowers and other people are protected when this pandemic has been dealt with. ย Also lets hope that Sweden's government is doing the right thing by not having a lockdown and allowing people to self isolate and keep distances and wear masks as they see fit. Despite what some say. The Swedish scientific advisers backing the government are doing it for political reasons. The prime minister is hoping that by not having a lock down, the Swedish economy will not crash and people not lose their incomes and he will look good when it comes to the next election. Unfortunately if the virus takes off in a Swedish city it could overwhelm the medical services and hospitals there as it's done in Europe.
Unless you have total isolation without ever leaving the house and have all home deliveries ie food stuff delivered sterilised by hazmat grade protected drivers you are going to come in contact with airborne particles of covid 19 in the air or by touching a surface as they stay live for 78hrs therefor at some point you will be infected ,
the Swedish have probably based their mathematical models on acceptable deaths to their society as have completed more testing so understand a better picture of the new virus rather than relying on other countries data .
With no vaccine or medical treatment available and only if your body is strong enough to survive even if 0n a ventilator a practical decision has to be made on acceptable deaths other wise long term , civil disruption , increased mental health issues , suicides , economy crash will be more likely to occur and rise
All research papers and legislative documents contain projected deaths from a new pandemic
The facts will come out years later , the uk has fallen short on many principles , the initial failure to follow their own policies in an event of a pandemic and the constant years of budget cuts on vital services and departments has caught them short . Full testing of the whole population needs to be completed before implementing plans , using mathematical models creates too many variables and unknowns , this is now a long term crisis ย ย Boris Johnson has been taken to hospital.ย He could be there for a while. ย Lets hope that any NHS whistleblowers and other people are protected when this pandemic has been dealt with. ย Also lets hope that Sweden's government is doing the right thing by not having a lockdown and allowing people to self isolate and keep distances and wear masks as they see fit. Despite what some say. The Swedish scientific advisers backing the government are doing it for political reasons. The prime minister is hoping that by not having a lock down, the Swedish economy will not crash and people not lose their incomes and he will look good when it comes to the next election. Unfortunately if the virus takes off in a Swedish city it could overwhelm the medical services and hospitals there as it's done in Europe. Unless you have total isolation without ever leaving the house and have all home deliveries ie food stuff delivered sterilised by hazmat grade protected drivers you are going to come in contact with airborne particles of covid 19 in the air or by touching a surface as they stay live for 78hrs therefor at some point you will be infected , the Swedish have probably based their mathematical models on acceptable deaths to their society as have completed more testing so understand a better picture of the new virus rather than relying on other countries data . With no vaccine or medical treatment available and only if your body is strong enough to survive even if 0n a ventilator a practical decision has to be made on acceptable deaths other wise long term , civil disruption , increased mental health issues , suicides , economy crash will be more likely to occur and rise All research papers and legislative documents contain projected deaths from a new pandemic |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 6, 2020 2:03:34 GMT 1, From the WHO website. "Should I wear a mask to protect myself?
Only wear a mask if you are ill with COVID-19 symptoms (especially coughing) or looking after someone who may have COVID-19. Disposable face mask can only be used once. If you are not ill or looking after someone who is ill then you are wasting a mask. There is a world-wide shortage of masks, so WHO urges people to use masks wisely.
WHO advises rational use of medical masks to avoid unnecessary wastage of precious resources and mis-use of masks " www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronavirusesSo the WHO is telling people not to wear masks if they have no symptons because there is a global mask shortage. That is not scientific advice or based on science. Masks do protect people from catching covid and others from spreading it. ย It's probably a main reason for the lock down too as opposed to allowing people to go to work etc wearing disposable masks.
The virus has a high asymptomatic % of carriers
People are spreading the virus without knowing they have the virus
Asian countries are containing the pandemic better than European countries as almost the entire nation is using protective masks which they have vast access to and some countries they are even forced to wear
There is a world shortage of ppe as every country now needs , America hijacking supplies ,also giving advice to their citizens to use masks
Uk has not prioritised ppe to the public as has not had in place emergency stockpiles as required by legislation for the nhs , still at 70% of nhs staff with required ppe and more Is required to reach 100%!of workforce and also have reserves in place , if the general public started buying masks as they did with sanitisers a greater short fall would be had for the nhs
Make your own assumptions on uk information given
A quick check and many stores still have vast quantities of fpp3 masks in the uk , why are these not prioritised to the nhs ?some gps even asking for ppe donations from the public ?!
From the WHO website. "Should I wear a mask to protect myself?
Only wear a mask if you are ill with COVID-19 symptoms (especially coughing) or looking after someone who may have COVID-19. Disposable face mask can only be used once. If you are not ill or looking after someone who is ill then you are wasting a mask. There is a world-wide shortage of masks, so WHO urges people to use masks wisely.
WHO advises rational use of medical masks to avoid unnecessary wastage of precious resources and mis-use of masks " www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronavirusesSo the WHO is telling people not to wear masks if they have no symptons because there is a global mask shortage. That is not scientific advice or based on science. Masks do protect people from catching covid and others from spreading it. ย It's probably a main reason for the lock down too as opposed to allowing people to go to work etc wearing disposable masks. The virus has a high asymptomatic % of carriers People are spreading the virus without knowing they have the virus Asian countries are containing the pandemic better than European countries as almost the entire nation is using protective masks which they have vast access to and some countries they are even forced to wear There is a world shortage of ppe as every country now needs , America hijacking supplies ,also giving advice to their citizens to use masks Uk has not prioritised ppe to the public as has not had in place emergency stockpiles as required by legislation for the nhs , still at 70% of nhs staff with required ppe and more Is required to reach 100%!of workforce and also have reserves in place , if the general public started buying masks as they did with sanitisers a greater short fall would be had for the nhs Make your own assumptions on uk information given A quick check and many stores still have vast quantities of fpp3 masks in the uk , why are these not prioritised to the nhs ?some gps even asking for ppe donations from the public ?! |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by LJCal on Apr 6, 2020 2:38:03 GMT 1, From the WHO website. "Should I wear a mask to protect myself?
Only wear a mask if you are ill with COVID-19 symptoms (especially coughing) or looking after someone who may have COVID-19. Disposable face mask can only be used once. If you are not ill or looking after someone who is ill then you are wasting a mask. There is a world-wide shortage of masks, so WHO urges people to use masks wisely.
WHO advises rational use of medical masks to avoid unnecessary wastage of precious resources and mis-use of masks " www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronavirusesSo the WHO is telling people not to wear masks if they have no symptons because there is a global mask shortage. That is not scientific advice or based on science. Masks do protect people from catching covid and others from spreading it. ย It's probably a main reason for the lock down too as opposed to allowing people to go to work etc wearing disposable masks. The virus has a high asymptomatic % of carriers People are spreading the virus without knowing they have the virus Asian countries are containing the pandemic better than European countries as almost the entire nation is using protective masks which they have vast access to and some countries they are even forced to wear There is a world shortage of ppe as every country now needs , America hijacking supplies ,also giving advice to their citizens to use masks Uk has not prioritised ppe to the public as has not had in place emergency stockpiles as required by legislation for the nhs , still at 70% of nhs staff with required ppe and more Is required to reach 100%!of workforce and also have reserves in place , if the general public started buying masks as they did with sanitisers a greater short fall would be had for the nhs Make your own assumptions on uk information given A quick check and many stores still have vast quantities of fpp3 masks in the uk , why are these not prioritised to the nhs ?some gps even asking for ppe donations from the public ?!
Now would be a great time to charter a commercial plane and fill it with face masks from China and get them approved for sale in the UK market. Surely businesses must be doing this? There is a surplus of these in China right now.
From the WHO website. "Should I wear a mask to protect myself?
Only wear a mask if you are ill with COVID-19 symptoms (especially coughing) or looking after someone who may have COVID-19. Disposable face mask can only be used once. If you are not ill or looking after someone who is ill then you are wasting a mask. There is a world-wide shortage of masks, so WHO urges people to use masks wisely.
WHO advises rational use of medical masks to avoid unnecessary wastage of precious resources and mis-use of masks " www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronavirusesSo the WHO is telling people not to wear masks if they have no symptons because there is a global mask shortage. That is not scientific advice or based on science. Masks do protect people from catching covid and others from spreading it. ย It's probably a main reason for the lock down too as opposed to allowing people to go to work etc wearing disposable masks. The virus has a high asymptomatic % of carriers People are spreading the virus without knowing they have the virus Asian countries are containing the pandemic better than European countries as almost the entire nation is using protective masks which they have vast access to and some countries they are even forced to wear There is a world shortage of ppe as every country now needs , America hijacking supplies ,also giving advice to their citizens to use masks Uk has not prioritised ppe to the public as has not had in place emergency stockpiles as required by legislation for the nhs , still at 70% of nhs staff with required ppe and more Is required to reach 100%!of workforce and also have reserves in place , if the general public started buying masks as they did with sanitisers a greater short fall would be had for the nhs Make your own assumptions on uk information given A quick check and many stores still have vast quantities of fpp3 masks in the uk , why are these not prioritised to the nhs ?some gps even asking for ppe donations from the public ?! Now would be a great time to charter a commercial plane and fill it with face masks from China and get them approved for sale in the UK market. Surely businesses must be doing this? There is a surplus of these in China right now. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 6, 2020 3:03:52 GMT 1, The virus has a high asymptomatic % of carriers People are spreading the virus without knowing they have the virus Asian countries are containing the pandemic better than European countries as almost the entire nation is using protective masks which they have vast access to and some countries they are even forced to wear There is a world shortage of ppe as every country now needs , America hijacking supplies ,also giving advice to their citizens to use masks Uk has not prioritised ppe to the public as has not had in place emergency stockpiles as required by legislation for the nhs , still at 70% of nhs staff with required ppe and more Is required to reach 100%!of workforce and also have reserves in place , if the general public started buying masks as they did with sanitisers a greater short fall would be had for the nhs Make your own assumptions on uk information given A quick check and many stores still have vast quantities of fpp3 masks in the uk , why are these not prioritised to the nhs ?some gps even asking for ppe donations from the public ?! Now would be a great time to charter a commercial plane and fill it with face masks from China and get them approved for sale in the UK market. Surely businesses must be doing this? There is a surplus of these in China right now.
The virus has a high asymptomatic % of carriers People are spreading the virus without knowing they have the virus Asian countries are containing the pandemic better than European countries as almost the entire nation is using protective masks which they have vast access to and some countries they are even forced to wear There is a world shortage of ppe as every country now needs , America hijacking supplies ,also giving advice to their citizens to use masks Uk has not prioritised ppe to the public as has not had in place emergency stockpiles as required by legislation for the nhs , still at 70% of nhs staff with required ppe and more Is required to reach 100%!of workforce and also have reserves in place , if the general public started buying masks as they did with sanitisers a greater short fall would be had for the nhs Make your own assumptions on uk information given A quick check and many stores still have vast quantities of fpp3 masks in the uk , why are these not prioritised to the nhs ?some gps even asking for ppe donations from the public ?! Now would be a great time to charter a commercial plane and fill it with face masks from China and get them approved for sale in the UK market. Surely businesses must be doing this? There is a surplus of these in China right now. They work to different medical grade standards some Chinese manufacturers , masks have been found in some cases to be defective and have been returned by , Canada , America and France health departments .most of the masks are used in the construction trade and auto industry so although they should be up to the grade on the box many not really fussed before about viruses and the purchasing departments do not carry out sample tests to see they match their descriptions unlike health departments .i bought a box of 10 face masks 4 weeks ago for ยฃ9.80 and many builders merchants selling the same box for ยฃ40-ยฃ60 now ! |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by LJCal on Apr 6, 2020 3:08:18 GMT 1, Now would be a great time to charter a commercial plane and fill it with face masks from China and get them approved for sale in the UK market. Surely businesses must be doing this? There is a surplus of these in China right now. They work to different medical grade standards some Chinese manufacturers , masks have been found in some cases to be defective and have been returned by , Canada , America and France health departments .most of the masks are used in the construction trade and auto industry so although they should be up to the grade on the box many not really fussed before about viruses and the purchasing departments do not carry out sample tests to see they match their descriptions unlike health departments .i bought a box of 10 face masks 4 weeks ago for ยฃ9.80 and many builders merchants selling the same box for ยฃ40-ยฃ60 now !
Now would be a great time to charter a commercial plane and fill it with face masks from China and get them approved for sale in the UK market. Surely businesses must be doing this? There is a surplus of these in China right now. They work to different medical grade standards some Chinese manufacturers , masks have been found in some cases to be defective and have been returned by , Canada , America and France health departments .most of the masks are used in the construction trade and auto industry so although they should be up to the grade on the box many not really fussed before about viruses and the purchasing departments do not carry out sample tests to see they match their descriptions unlike health departments .i bought a box of 10 face masks 4 weeks ago for ยฃ9.80 and many builders merchants selling the same box for ยฃ40-ยฃ60 now ! China have a comparable medical grade mask, I think itโs called an N95. Given itโs an emergency surely it would be an idea to relax standards or recognise Chinese standards even if there is a risk some are defective. even if the mask is not the exact spec, something is better than nothing. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 6, 2020 3:15:31 GMT 1, Call me crazy, but I feel like the MOST UNDERRATED topic around C-19 hass**t to do with some idiots violating quarantines and EVERYTHING to do with how many fuucking animals are carriers of thiss**t!! Iโve heard unconfirmed they feel pangolins, snakes and bats are carriers based on prior LIKE viruses. Iโve heard CONFIRMED cases of dogs, cats and now tigers??? How many OTHER animals are carriers? Is it gonna matter at all if we quarantine and then when Fido goes out to take a piss he brings in a dose of C-19 for the family after choking down a cats**t he found? Isnโt one of the drugs theyโre testing on C-19 folks for malaria? ๐ค It makes me wonder if mosquitos are also carriers if they bite these C-19 infected cats, dogs, tigers, bats, snakes or god knows what and then ME. Am I infected now in my lockdown? ๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ Not trying to scare folks, trying to think outside the box for a moment. Any thoughts out there? Also, did anyone read how rats are showing promise to treatments to one of the vaccines? I think everyone hears that and are like oh thatโs great. I hear that and Iโm like FUUUUCK, does that mean rats are carriers too? Good luck finding an ANSWER. But clearly, how can they test a drug to cure a disease in a rat if they canโt contract it??? ๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ I do understand that some animals can contract it but not pass it via species, but no one seems to know shiiit on how. I canโt find one thing on mosquito to human transmission or how species to species to human transmissions can occur. I kinda feel like no one knows.
one super contagious virus , airborne spread , lasts for up to 78 hours outside of the body , some carriers show no symptoms , may be spread via multiple species , as quoted before what ever government develops the vaccine first and adds a patent they would become a world dominant nation๐ฎ
Call me crazy, but I feel like the MOST UNDERRATED topic around C-19 hass**t to do with some idiots violating quarantines and EVERYTHING to do with how many fuucking animals are carriers of thiss**t!! Iโve heard unconfirmed they feel pangolins, snakes and bats are carriers based on prior LIKE viruses. Iโve heard CONFIRMED cases of dogs, cats and now tigers??? How many OTHER animals are carriers? Is it gonna matter at all if we quarantine and then when Fido goes out to take a piss he brings in a dose of C-19 for the family after choking down a cats**t he found? Isnโt one of the drugs theyโre testing on C-19 folks for malaria? ๐ค It makes me wonder if mosquitos are also carriers if they bite these C-19 infected cats, dogs, tigers, bats, snakes or god knows what and then ME. Am I infected now in my lockdown? ๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ Not trying to scare folks, trying to think outside the box for a moment. Any thoughts out there? Also, did anyone read how rats are showing promise to treatments to one of the vaccines? I think everyone hears that and are like oh thatโs great. I hear that and Iโm like FUUUUCK, does that mean rats are carriers too? Good luck finding an ANSWER. But clearly, how can they test a drug to cure a disease in a rat if they canโt contract it??? ๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ I do understand that some animals can contract it but not pass it via species, but no one seems to know shiiit on how. I canโt find one thing on mosquito to human transmission or how species to species to human transmissions can occur. I kinda feel like no one knows. Has been stated by vetinary surgeries of cases of infected animals with covid 19 and a few handful of cases have made news around the world , but not being picked up on the main media as main research and studies are on humans , and if the wrong information spreads many animals would be abandoned or killed and this is not needed now . one super contagious virus , airborne spread , lasts for up to 78 hours outside of the body , some carriers show no symptoms , may be spread via multiple species , as quoted before what ever government develops the vaccine first and adds a patent they would become a world dominant nation๐ฎ |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Apr 6, 2020 3:24:16 GMT 1, They work to different medical grade standards some Chinese manufacturers , masks have been found in some cases to be defective and have been returned by , Canada , America and France health departments .most of the masks are used in the construction trade and auto industry so although they should be up to the grade on the box many not really fussed before about viruses and the purchasing departments do not carry out sample tests to see they match their descriptions unlike health departments .i bought a box of 10 face masks 4 weeks ago for ยฃ9.80 and many builders merchants selling the same box for ยฃ40-ยฃ60 now ! China have a comparable medical grade mask, I think itโs called an N95. Given itโs an emergency surely it would be an idea to relax standards or recognise Chinese standards even if there is a risk some are defective. even if the mask is not the exact spec, something is better than nothing.
what is also not reported in the media is a high percentage of medical staff of all levels on sickness as of self isolation with everyone has the opportunity to self certify sick , hence priority to test all NHS staff so no excuses not to present to work , as some will take the opportunity to stay out of the workplace as of the high fatality rates of medical staff , look up the figures of Italian medical staff deaths
They work to different medical grade standards some Chinese manufacturers , masks have been found in some cases to be defective and have been returned by , Canada , America and France health departments .most of the masks are used in the construction trade and auto industry so although they should be up to the grade on the box many not really fussed before about viruses and the purchasing departments do not carry out sample tests to see they match their descriptions unlike health departments .i bought a box of 10 face masks 4 weeks ago for ยฃ9.80 and many builders merchants selling the same box for ยฃ40-ยฃ60 now ! China have a comparable medical grade mask, I think itโs called an N95. Given itโs an emergency surely it would be an idea to relax standards or recognise Chinese standards even if there is a risk some are defective. even if the mask is not the exact spec, something is better than nothing. For the general public maybe but for medical staff they need 100% , if infected there are no replacement staff for specialist nurses, consultants etc these are not only dealing with covid 19 but other emergency procedures too what is also not reported in the media is a high percentage of medical staff of all levels on sickness as of self isolation with everyone has the opportunity to self certify sick , hence priority to test all NHS staff so no excuses not to present to work , as some will take the opportunity to stay out of the workplace as of the high fatality rates of medical staff , look up the figures of Italian medical staff deaths |
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