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Hancock is fast losing support in the medical community. Lack of PPE is resulting in dangerous policy.

The guidelines are that all medical practitioners should only wear PPE if a patient has or is suspected of having Covid19.

So whilst nobody is allowed outside to fart in public, the government is happy for non socially distanced interactions involving the old/vulnerable and their medical assistance. Does the government think all other illnesses have gone away.

Does not make sense ,
Many do not know they have the virus or show symptoms ? There is no blanket testing of New hospital admissions so any person entering a hospital has a possibility oF contracting or spreading the virus ,
Other countries and eu member states it is their policy for all hospital staff to wear ppe , masks especially , even cleaners and all contractors on the hospital grounds .
It Is simply the uk can not fulfill the orders as of the global demand ,stated some where each worker should have 4-6 masks ,visors per person per Day :night shift which at the moment some have none and most only 1-2 per shift

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Every way 👍🏼

Without testing everyone and just using herd immunity your basically killing people In A controlled Way as isolation will not stop a pandemic but just slow it to manageable numbers
Still giving advice public do not need masks etc
The people that have underlying health Issues Hence they have been sent separate advice by the government

You'd rather have a pandemic, killing hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people worldwide and could yet kill you, or people close to you, than a government who's policies are pretty much being implemented here anyway? I've heard some crazy shit on these boards but this is right up there.

I’ll bet you a virtual tenner on it?

Good thinking to avoid the question. Everyone is sick of facts anyway. They’re so boring.

Rather than engaging in actual discussion, the best bet is just to come up with a slogan and keep repeating it, no matter what the question at hand is. Maybe try that.

Is there an element of the government doing the best it can with the resources available? I dont imagine they’ve got millions of testing kits sitting in a warehouse that theyre idly choosing not to distribute them. Its more likely tests are being distributed to NHS and other facilities across the country as they become available.

No point in focusing on the fact that there were insufficient PPE stockpiles prior to this event. That wont change the number currently available. The only current option is to be strategic with how the available PPE is deployed until more shipments arrive.

Once this is all over we can do all of the finger pointing and accusing. But for now we should be asking what resources are currently available, where will they provide the most benefit and when are the next shipments of supplies arriving.

Obviously the government is struggling with the situation but i cant think of what additional steps i would take that they currently arent taking. (Very happy to hear people’s thoughts on additional steps!). I think its easy to conceptualise supply for a single hospital or even a single city but ensuring the protection of about 70m people simultaneously is beyond my imagination.

(This is not a pro/anti government point, i think we’d be in roughly the same position regardless of who was the leader/party in charge).

I agree with a lot of this, I think.

However I think the issue is the utter lack of transparency, and the constant insistence that the problem has been fixed.

Rather than just being honest about how things stand, and that they don’t have all the answers (which is ok), they seem to think the way to keep us happy and quiet is to invent new bite size slogans to throw at us. Three strands of this, four pillars of that, five gold rings of something else.

It’s insulting and shows just how little they value us. Seeing the politicians sharting this out day after day is one thing, but seeing the scientists and chief medics reduced to repeating the catchphrases is very disappointing.

To quote yourself:
I’m not going to bore myself or everyone else here having to read this pointless chat any further.

And the problem with noise is that it can ultimately be very annoying

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-police-apologise-after-man-arrested-for-running-errands-11972031

The government should issue some official guidelines that ALL police forces need to stringently adhere to and enforce with consistency to all member of the public as at present these guidelines are open to interpretation of the officer present and in some cases have been overly excessive in actions taken

If this continues in deprived areas will cause distrust In communities with the police and potential riots may occur .

Seen it mentioned on here that medical staff are not working due to fear of Covid19 and/or lack of PPE.

These people deal with illness and death every day, admittedly not on this scale, but they are much more hardened to it than your average Joe.

I'm not saying some won't be concerned, but these people are like soldiers and will feel immense guilt if they leave their fellow combatants on the battlefield.

Other than those in a vulnerable group I can't see any medical staff staying off work due to fear and there are many in these vulnerable groups still working.

Absent symptomatic staff is another matter, but that's just our poor testing not allowing them back if negative. Government to blame? Turned down opportunities and poor negotiating... Never.