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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Winter on Mar 13, 2020 15:49:22 GMT 1, I'm from Italy, Trieste north east near the Slovenia border, it's a nightmare, everything is shut down, shopping malls, restaurants, shops, bars, cinemas are closed till 25th march, schools and universities till 3rd of April. Only things that are open are grocery, markets, pharmacy, doctor and banks, but you have to queue up at a meter of distance and enter one at a time. Pubblic transportation is working with a reduced timetable. You cannot stroll around (only for essential needs) € 206 fine, state borders have been shut down, some airports are closing, large factories and production is staring to shut down. Police are patrolling the streets and controlling the reason you are not home, civil protection cars are driving around the city with recorded messages announcing to STAY HOME. The cities seem "ghost towns", it's hard, it's disorienting, the atmosphere is so surreal. IMHO coronavirus will cause a global recession, let's hope it ends soon. Times like these will solve drug crimes
I'm from Italy, Trieste north east near the Slovenia border, it's a nightmare, everything is shut down, shopping malls, restaurants, shops, bars, cinemas are closed till 25th march, schools and universities till 3rd of April. Only things that are open are grocery, markets, pharmacy, doctor and banks, but you have to queue up at a meter of distance and enter one at a time. Pubblic transportation is working with a reduced timetable. You cannot stroll around (only for essential needs) € 206 fine, state borders have been shut down, some airports are closing, large factories and production is staring to shut down. Police are patrolling the streets and controlling the reason you are not home, civil protection cars are driving around the city with recorded messages announcing to STAY HOME. The cities seem "ghost towns", it's hard, it's disorienting, the atmosphere is so surreal. IMHO coronavirus will cause a global recession, let's hope it ends soon. Times like these will solve drug crimes I think it's a good time to be stocking up with drugs |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by irl1 on Mar 13, 2020 15:49:45 GMT 1, We just need to get tests, anti virals ect going and hopefully spring/summer slow it down even more. The scary thing in the UK at the moment is there is NO testing happening, unless you're so ill you're in hospital... or a premiership footballer! If you phone 111 with cold or flu symptoms, their answer is just that you're probably fine. Or, if you've been abroad or in contact with a known case, then isolate yourself. And if you have a temperature or cough, then also isolate yourself. That's all the UK are doing right now!
We just need to get tests, anti virals ect going and hopefully spring/summer slow it down even more. The scary thing in the UK at the moment is there is NO testing happening, unless you're so ill you're in hospital... or a premiership footballer! If you phone 111 with cold or flu symptoms, their answer is just that you're probably fine. Or, if you've been abroad or in contact with a known case, then isolate yourself. And if you have a temperature or cough, then also isolate yourself. That's all the UK are doing right now! Its the opposite over here. You ring your doctor and they meet you in their carpark. Escort you from your car test you and send you on your way. You can't go anywhere near the waiting room all people are taken in one by one |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 13, 2020 16:02:49 GMT 1, I was reading something about the panic buying of toilet rolls and it makes sense. They reckon as its the biggest item on the shelves, customers notice when there are larger gaps, so causes them to panic and stock up more. Same with big bottles of water. Its mad over here you think it was the black death all over again. I'm sort of lucky we live out in the sticks with only a few houses scattered for miles. We were down the town yesterday it was like a free for all packed with people loading up their cars. If everyone just follows a few simple rules this will pass in time.
I think your island is one of the safest places in Europe right now. I'm not sure keeping schools and colleges open is a good thing, but I'm sure we will find out soon enough.
I was reading something about the panic buying of toilet rolls and it makes sense. They reckon as its the biggest item on the shelves, customers notice when there are larger gaps, so causes them to panic and stock up more. Same with big bottles of water. Its mad over here you think it was the black death all over again. I'm sort of lucky we live out in the sticks with only a few houses scattered for miles. We were down the town yesterday it was like a free for all packed with people loading up their cars. If everyone just follows a few simple rules this will pass in time. I think your island is one of the safest places in Europe right now. I'm not sure keeping schools and colleges open is a good thing, but I'm sure we will find out soon enough. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 13, 2020 16:09:12 GMT 1, It’s obvious corona is already widespread. Trudeau, hanks, bolsonaro, arteta, dorries. If these people have it how doesn’t everyone else? The only people being tested are rich, powerful or dangerously sick. The numbers for infected are so understated it is causing mass hysteria with the whole it’s 10 times worse than flu etc, when in the same breath people complain there is no testing but use the tested figures to suit their hysteria narrative. I’m willing to bet that in the next week Trump or pence will have corona if only based on the direct links they have had to infected people. It can be bad and it can be serious but the mass hysteria people are spouting is sickening and really doesn’t help anything. Right now it is factually not worse than flu based on deaths. Irrelevant of infected numbers. Some of the things people are stating is so out of touch it’s amazing. Work from home as if everyone can do that. Shut the schools as if people can afford childcare. I find it more scary to watch people act in this way than i fear getting it.
I've been arguing with some people for the last few weeks that say this is no worse than seasonal flu. I can't be bothered to argue any more... It's simple maths
It’s obvious corona is already widespread. Trudeau, hanks, bolsonaro, arteta, dorries. If these people have it how doesn’t everyone else? The only people being tested are rich, powerful or dangerously sick. The numbers for infected are so understated it is causing mass hysteria with the whole it’s 10 times worse than flu etc, when in the same breath people complain there is no testing but use the tested figures to suit their hysteria narrative. I’m willing to bet that in the next week Trump or pence will have corona if only based on the direct links they have had to infected people. It can be bad and it can be serious but the mass hysteria people are spouting is sickening and really doesn’t help anything. Right now it is factually not worse than flu based on deaths. Irrelevant of infected numbers. Some of the things people are stating is so out of touch it’s amazing. Work from home as if everyone can do that. Shut the schools as if people can afford childcare. I find it more scary to watch people act in this way than i fear getting it. I've been arguing with some people for the last few weeks that say this is no worse than seasonal flu. I can't be bothered to argue any more... It's simple maths |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Happy Shopper on Mar 13, 2020 16:11:43 GMT 1, It’s obvious corona is already widespread. Trudeau, hanks, bolsonaro, arteta, dorries. If these people have it how doesn’t everyone else? The only people being tested are rich, powerful or dangerously sick. The numbers for infected are so understated it is causing mass hysteria with the whole it’s 10 times worse than flu etc, when in the same breath people complain there is no testing but use the tested figures to suit their hysteria narrative. I’m willing to bet that in the next week Trump or pence will have corona if only based on the direct links they have had to infected people. It can be bad and it can be serious but the mass hysteria people are spouting is sickening and really doesn’t help anything. Right now it is factually not worse than flu based on deaths. Irrelevant of infected numbers. Some of the things people are stating is so out of touch it’s amazing. Work from home as if everyone can do that. Shut the schools as if people can afford childcare. I find it more scary to watch people act in this way than i fear getting it.
New account for this? That's your first post on an art forum!?
It’s obvious corona is already widespread. Trudeau, hanks, bolsonaro, arteta, dorries. If these people have it how doesn’t everyone else? The only people being tested are rich, powerful or dangerously sick. The numbers for infected are so understated it is causing mass hysteria with the whole it’s 10 times worse than flu etc, when in the same breath people complain there is no testing but use the tested figures to suit their hysteria narrative. I’m willing to bet that in the next week Trump or pence will have corona if only based on the direct links they have had to infected people. It can be bad and it can be serious but the mass hysteria people are spouting is sickening and really doesn’t help anything. Right now it is factually not worse than flu based on deaths. Irrelevant of infected numbers. Some of the things people are stating is so out of touch it’s amazing. Work from home as if everyone can do that. Shut the schools as if people can afford childcare. I find it more scary to watch people act in this way than i fear getting it. New account for this? That's your first post on an art forum!? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Big Bad Mo on Mar 13, 2020 16:25:17 GMT 1, It’s obvious corona is already widespread. Trudeau, hanks, bolsonaro, arteta, dorries. If these people have it how doesn’t everyone else? The only people being tested are rich, powerful or dangerously sick. The numbers for infected are so understated it is causing mass hysteria with the whole it’s 10 times worse than flu etc, when in the same breath people complain there is no testing but use the tested figures to suit their hysteria narrative. I’m willing to bet that in the next week Trump or pence will have corona if only based on the direct links they have had to infected people. It can be bad and it can be serious but the mass hysteria people are spouting is sickening and really doesn’t help anything. Right now it is factually not worse than flu based on deaths. Irrelevant of infected numbers. Some of the things people are stating is so out of touch it’s amazing. Work from home as if everyone can do that. Shut the schools as if people can afford childcare. I find it more scary to watch people act in this way than i fear getting it. I've been arguing with some people for the last few weeks that say this is no worse than seasonal flu. I can't be bothered to argue any more... It's simple maths
Surely the fact that there has been a total lack of testing would clearly show that anyone arguing it’s Just simple math is just using selective math to suit their narrative. The just simple math is that 1000 people died per day in the last flu season. My point was if everyone was tested the % of deaths would be much less and this would fall closer to being comparable to flu and hysteria.
It’s obvious corona is already widespread. Trudeau, hanks, bolsonaro, arteta, dorries. If these people have it how doesn’t everyone else? The only people being tested are rich, powerful or dangerously sick. The numbers for infected are so understated it is causing mass hysteria with the whole it’s 10 times worse than flu etc, when in the same breath people complain there is no testing but use the tested figures to suit their hysteria narrative. I’m willing to bet that in the next week Trump or pence will have corona if only based on the direct links they have had to infected people. It can be bad and it can be serious but the mass hysteria people are spouting is sickening and really doesn’t help anything. Right now it is factually not worse than flu based on deaths. Irrelevant of infected numbers. Some of the things people are stating is so out of touch it’s amazing. Work from home as if everyone can do that. Shut the schools as if people can afford childcare. I find it more scary to watch people act in this way than i fear getting it. I've been arguing with some people for the last few weeks that say this is no worse than seasonal flu. I can't be bothered to argue any more... It's simple maths Surely the fact that there has been a total lack of testing would clearly show that anyone arguing it’s Just simple math is just using selective math to suit their narrative. The just simple math is that 1000 people died per day in the last flu season. My point was if everyone was tested the % of deaths would be much less and this would fall closer to being comparable to flu and hysteria. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 13, 2020 16:30:37 GMT 1, I've been arguing with some people for the last few weeks that say this is no worse than seasonal flu. I can't be bothered to argue any more... It's simple maths Surely the fact that there has been a total lack of testing would clearly show that anyone arguing it’s Just simple math is just using selective math to suit their narrative. The just simple math is that 1000 people died per day in the last flu season. My point was if everyone was tested the % of deaths would be much less and this would fall closer to being comparable to flu and hysteria.
So Italy turning a church into a makeshift morgue is something they do every year?
I've been arguing with some people for the last few weeks that say this is no worse than seasonal flu. I can't be bothered to argue any more... It's simple maths Surely the fact that there has been a total lack of testing would clearly show that anyone arguing it’s Just simple math is just using selective math to suit their narrative. The just simple math is that 1000 people died per day in the last flu season. My point was if everyone was tested the % of deaths would be much less and this would fall closer to being comparable to flu and hysteria. So Italy turning a church into a makeshift morgue is something they do every year? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by LJCal on Mar 13, 2020 16:37:35 GMT 1, Any forum members currently living in Italy? I'm from Italy, Trieste north east near the Slovenia border, it's a nightmare, everything is shut down, shopping malls, restaurants, shops, bars, cinemas are closed till 25th march, schools and universities till 3rd of April. Only things that are open are grocery, markets, pharmacy, doctor and banks, but you have to queue up at a meter of distance and enter one at a time. Pubblic transportation is working with a reduced timetable. You cannot stroll around (only for essential needs) € 206 fine, state borders have been shut down, some airports are closing, large factories and production is staring to shut down. Police are patrolling the streets and controlling the reason you are not home, civil protection cars are driving around the city with recorded messages announcing to STAY HOME. The cities seem "ghost towns", it's hard, it's disorienting, the atmosphere is so surreal. IMHO coronavirus will cause a global recession, let's hope it ends soon.
Any forum members currently living in Italy? I'm from Italy, Trieste north east near the Slovenia border, it's a nightmare, everything is shut down, shopping malls, restaurants, shops, bars, cinemas are closed till 25th march, schools and universities till 3rd of April. Only things that are open are grocery, markets, pharmacy, doctor and banks, but you have to queue up at a meter of distance and enter one at a time. Pubblic transportation is working with a reduced timetable. You cannot stroll around (only for essential needs) € 206 fine, state borders have been shut down, some airports are closing, large factories and production is staring to shut down. Police are patrolling the streets and controlling the reason you are not home, civil protection cars are driving around the city with recorded messages announcing to STAY HOME. The cities seem "ghost towns", it's hard, it's disorienting, the atmosphere is so surreal. IMHO coronavirus will cause a global recession, let's hope it ends soon. This sounds far worse than a few people catching cold and some people who are already fucked dying a week or two early. Italy has fucked itself for a generation. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by LJCal on Mar 13, 2020 16:40:23 GMT 1, I've been arguing with some people for the last few weeks that say this is no worse than seasonal flu. I can't be bothered to argue any more... It's simple maths Surely the fact that there has been a total lack of testing would clearly show that anyone arguing it’s Just simple math is just using selective math to suit their narrative. The just simple math is that 1000 people died per day in the last flu season. My point was if everyone was tested the % of deaths would be much less and this would fall closer to being comparable to flu and hysteria.
I've been arguing with some people for the last few weeks that say this is no worse than seasonal flu. I can't be bothered to argue any more... It's simple maths Surely the fact that there has been a total lack of testing would clearly show that anyone arguing it’s Just simple math is just using selective math to suit their narrative. The just simple math is that 1000 people died per day in the last flu season. My point was if everyone was tested the % of deaths would be much less and this would fall closer to being comparable to flu and hysteria. Spot on, confirmed cases are a fraction of actual people who have contracted the virus. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Big Bad Mo on Mar 13, 2020 16:41:19 GMT 1, Surely the fact that there has been a total lack of testing would clearly show that anyone arguing it’s Just simple math is just using selective math to suit their narrative. The just simple math is that 1000 people died per day in the last flu season. My point was if everyone was tested the % of deaths would be much less and this would fall closer to being comparable to flu and hysteria. So Italy turning a church into a makeshift morgue is something they do every year?
I have not seen anything about that. I just did a search on multiple platforms and didn’t find anything. Can you send me a link for that please or is it just something you heard. Also have you checked whether or not it is something that has or has not happened before?
Surely the fact that there has been a total lack of testing would clearly show that anyone arguing it’s Just simple math is just using selective math to suit their narrative. The just simple math is that 1000 people died per day in the last flu season. My point was if everyone was tested the % of deaths would be much less and this would fall closer to being comparable to flu and hysteria. So Italy turning a church into a makeshift morgue is something they do every year? I have not seen anything about that. I just did a search on multiple platforms and didn’t find anything. Can you send me a link for that please or is it just something you heard. Also have you checked whether or not it is something that has or has not happened before? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by graeme on Mar 13, 2020 16:48:57 GMT 1, The scary thing in the UK at the moment is there is NO testing happening, unless you're so ill you're in hospital... or a premiership footballer! If you phone 111 with cold or flu symptoms, their answer is just that you're probably fine. Or, if you've been abroad or in contact with a known case, then isolate yourself. And if you have a temperature or cough, then also isolate yourself. That's all the UK are doing right now! But if you have cold or flu like symptoms then you probably *are* fine. Despite all the understandable panic, the risk of you actually getting coronavirus is still very low.
I think the epidemiology suggests that the likely risk of catching COVID-19 is quite high, however the risk of becoming seriously unwell or dying is relatively low. Unless you're unwell to start with.
The scary thing in the UK at the moment is there is NO testing happening, unless you're so ill you're in hospital... or a premiership footballer! If you phone 111 with cold or flu symptoms, their answer is just that you're probably fine. Or, if you've been abroad or in contact with a known case, then isolate yourself. And if you have a temperature or cough, then also isolate yourself. That's all the UK are doing right now! But if you have cold or flu like symptoms then you probably *are* fine. Despite all the understandable panic, the risk of you actually getting coronavirus is still very low. I think the epidemiology suggests that the likely risk of catching COVID-19 is quite high, however the risk of becoming seriously unwell or dying is relatively low. Unless you're unwell to start with. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 13, 2020 16:50:24 GMT 1, So Italy turning a church into a makeshift morgue is something they do every year? I have not seen anything about that. I just did a search on multiple platforms and didn’t find anything. Can you send me a link for that please or is it just something you heard. Also have you checked whether or not it is something that has or has not happened before?
Just to add, I'm not scared for myself, partner or children. I am though for my parents who both have serious underlying issues and every other elderly or vulnerable people at risk.
www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-italian-town-turns-chapel-into-mortuary-chamber-as-it-struggles-to-cope-with-deaths-11956870
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Fast Eddie on Mar 13, 2020 17:08:12 GMT 1, Surely the fact that there has been a total lack of testing would clearly show that anyone arguing it’s Just simple math is just using selective math to suit their narrative. The just simple math is that 1000 people died per day in the last flu season. My point was if everyone was tested the % of deaths would be much less and this would fall closer to being comparable to flu and hysteria. Spot on, confirmed cases are a fraction of actual people who have contracted the virus.
Surely the fact that there has been a total lack of testing would clearly show that anyone arguing it’s Just simple math is just using selective math to suit their narrative. The just simple math is that 1000 people died per day in the last flu season. My point was if everyone was tested the % of deaths would be much less and this would fall closer to being comparable to flu and hysteria. Spot on, confirmed cases are a fraction of actual people who have contracted the virus. The estimated mortality following COVID-19 infection is more than 40 times that of influenza within reasonable confidence intervals. I would suggest you do not attempt your own statistical analysis (or "math"). This is a virus completely different from influenza. Stay safe. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Big Bad Mo on Mar 13, 2020 17:08:53 GMT 1,
Thanks for the link. Everyone is worried for vulnerable people but locking everything down and hysteria could be counter productive for these people. Lots of elderly and vulnerable don’t have support networks. There is a risk of unintended consequences based on incorrect assumptions.
Thanks for the link. Everyone is worried for vulnerable people but locking everything down and hysteria could be counter productive for these people. Lots of elderly and vulnerable don’t have support networks. There is a risk of unintended consequences based on incorrect assumptions. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by overend on Mar 13, 2020 17:13:02 GMT 1, The scary thing in the UK at the moment is there is NO testing happening, unless you're so ill you're in hospital... or a premiership footballer! If you phone 111 with cold or flu symptoms, their answer is just that you're probably fine. Or, if you've been abroad or in contact with a known case, then isolate yourself. And if you have a temperature or cough, then also isolate yourself. That's all the UK are doing right now! But if you have cold or flu like symptoms then you probably *are* fine. Despite all the understandable panic, the risk of you actually getting coronavirus is still very low.
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The scary thing in the UK at the moment is there is NO testing happening, unless you're so ill you're in hospital... or a premiership footballer! If you phone 111 with cold or flu symptoms, their answer is just that you're probably fine. Or, if you've been abroad or in contact with a known case, then isolate yourself. And if you have a temperature or cough, then also isolate yourself. That's all the UK are doing right now! But if you have cold or flu like symptoms then you probably *are* fine. Despite all the understandable panic, the risk of you actually getting coronavirus is still very low. 🤦♂️ |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 13, 2020 17:25:01 GMT 1, Thanks for the link. Everyone is worried for vulnerable people but locking everything down and hysteria could be counter productive for these people. Lots of elderly and vulnerable don’t have support networks. There is a risk of unintended consequences based on incorrect assumptions.
If 100% of people self isolated when they have any onset of symptoms, I think things could carry on as much as normal. Unfortunately our world is full of selfish arse holes who only look out for themselves.
Anyway, I'm going to try to post minimum on this thread, as I can see this art forum being infected by this virus soon.
Thanks for the link. Everyone is worried for vulnerable people but locking everything down and hysteria could be counter productive for these people. Lots of elderly and vulnerable don’t have support networks. There is a risk of unintended consequences based on incorrect assumptions. If 100% of people self isolated when they have any onset of symptoms, I think things could carry on as much as normal. Unfortunately our world is full of selfish arse holes who only look out for themselves. Anyway, I'm going to try to post minimum on this thread, as I can see this art forum being infected by this virus soon. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by LJCal on Mar 13, 2020 17:28:47 GMT 1, Spot on, confirmed cases are a fraction of actual people who have contracted the virus. The estimated mortality following COVID-19 infection is more than 40 times that of influenza within reasonable confidence intervals. I would suggest you do not attempt your own statistical analysis (or "math"). This is a virus completely different from influenza. Stay safe.
Estimated by who? Our chief medical officer estimates 5-10k unconfirmed cases in the U.K. and 10 deaths so far. The fact is there is so much speculation and the statistics are very unreliable so you throwing around figures like 40x more deadly than flu is just another example of this. Stay calm.
Spot on, confirmed cases are a fraction of actual people who have contracted the virus. The estimated mortality following COVID-19 infection is more than 40 times that of influenza within reasonable confidence intervals. I would suggest you do not attempt your own statistical analysis (or "math"). This is a virus completely different from influenza. Stay safe. Estimated by who? Our chief medical officer estimates 5-10k unconfirmed cases in the U.K. and 10 deaths so far. The fact is there is so much speculation and the statistics are very unreliable so you throwing around figures like 40x more deadly than flu is just another example of this. Stay calm. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Fast Eddie on Mar 13, 2020 17:33:23 GMT 1, The estimated mortality following COVID-19 infection is more than 40 times that of influenza within reasonable confidence intervals. I would suggest you do not attempt your own statistical analysis (or "math"). This is a virus completely different from influenza. Stay safe. Estimated by who? Our chief medical officer estimates 5-10k unconfirmed cases in the U.K. and 10 deaths so far. The fact is there is so much speculation and the statistics are very unreliable so you throwing around figures like 40x more deadly than flu is just another example of this. Stay calm.
www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30195-X/fulltext
I am calm.
The estimated mortality following COVID-19 infection is more than 40 times that of influenza within reasonable confidence intervals. I would suggest you do not attempt your own statistical analysis (or "math"). This is a virus completely different from influenza. Stay safe. Estimated by who? Our chief medical officer estimates 5-10k unconfirmed cases in the U.K. and 10 deaths so far. The fact is there is so much speculation and the statistics are very unreliable so you throwing around figures like 40x more deadly than flu is just another example of this. Stay calm. The Lancet. A top medical journal. Published yesterday. Link here: www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30195-X/fulltextI am calm. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by LJCal on Mar 13, 2020 17:42:08 GMT 1, Estimated by who? Our chief medical officer estimates 5-10k unconfirmed cases in the U.K. and 10 deaths so far. The fact is there is so much speculation and the statistics are very unreliable so you throwing around figures like 40x more deadly than flu is just another example of this. Stay calm. The Lancet. A top medical journal. Published yesterday. Link here: www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30195-X/fulltextI am calm.
”Notably, the full denominator remains unknown because asymptomatic cases or patients with very mild symptoms might not be tested and will not be identified”.
The rest is pure speculation. True figures won’t be known for sometime.
Estimated by who? Our chief medical officer estimates 5-10k unconfirmed cases in the U.K. and 10 deaths so far. The fact is there is so much speculation and the statistics are very unreliable so you throwing around figures like 40x more deadly than flu is just another example of this. Stay calm. The Lancet. A top medical journal. Published yesterday. Link here: www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30195-X/fulltextI am calm. ”Notably, the full denominator remains unknown because asymptomatic cases or patients with very mild symptoms might not be tested and will not be identified”. The rest is pure speculation. True figures won’t be known for sometime. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mojo on Mar 13, 2020 17:42:16 GMT 1, I stink of disinfectant and will now only be making essential trips outdoors wearing gloves & face scarf.
I had to use public transport yesterday and I've never seen the buses so clean, I really hope this level of cleanliness continues well after COVID-19 dies out. Stay safe one and all.
*I have 3 toilet rolls & a tin of beans in stock.
I stink of disinfectant and will now only be making essential trips outdoors wearing gloves & face scarf.
I had to use public transport yesterday and I've never seen the buses so clean, I really hope this level of cleanliness continues well after COVID-19 dies out. Stay safe one and all.
*I have 3 toilet rolls & a tin of beans in stock.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Fast Eddie on Mar 13, 2020 17:53:09 GMT 1, The estimated mortality following COVID-19 infection is more than 40 times that of influenza within reasonable confidence intervals. I would suggest you do not attempt your own statistical analysis (or "math"). This is a virus completely different from influenza. Stay safe. Sorry but it’s impossible to say 40 times when there isn’t a known quantity of how many have it. You have just done your own math whilst telling others to not do their own. Everyone agrees the testing has been a failure and not enough is done. Therefore you shouldn’t be scaremongering stats like 40 times if they are based on a selective data set. The tests are only on people who have the worst symptons or in some cases only on people who can demonstrate they were in contact with a previous carrier. This pool of people are always going to have the worst stats which are the best for hysteria. The cruise ship the diamond princess had 3700 passengers, out of those 707 cases were confirmed out of which 7 died( to date granted). I’m not sure if you can get a better sample of this situation than a incident like that. But it wasn’t 3 or 4% death rate of the 3700 population and certainly not 40 times anything. Obviously if the virus didn’t exist those people wouldn’t have died but that’s not a point either. I’m not trying to talk down people getting sick or dying but it’s important to be objective and not get your information from Outlets that drive hysteria. You should always try and do your own math as opposed to just spouting others.
The estimated mortality following COVID-19 infection is more than 40 times that of influenza within reasonable confidence intervals. I would suggest you do not attempt your own statistical analysis (or "math"). This is a virus completely different from influenza. Stay safe. Sorry but it’s impossible to say 40 times when there isn’t a known quantity of how many have it. You have just done your own math whilst telling others to not do their own. Everyone agrees the testing has been a failure and not enough is done. Therefore you shouldn’t be scaremongering stats like 40 times if they are based on a selective data set. The tests are only on people who have the worst symptons or in some cases only on people who can demonstrate they were in contact with a previous carrier. This pool of people are always going to have the worst stats which are the best for hysteria. The cruise ship the diamond princess had 3700 passengers, out of those 707 cases were confirmed out of which 7 died( to date granted). I’m not sure if you can get a better sample of this situation than a incident like that. But it wasn’t 3 or 4% death rate of the 3700 population and certainly not 40 times anything. Obviously if the virus didn’t exist those people wouldn’t have died but that’s not a point either. I’m not trying to talk down people getting sick or dying but it’s important to be objective and not get your information from Outlets that drive hysteria. You should always try and do your own math as opposed to just spouting others. I just posted the reference to the Lancet. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Fast Eddie on Mar 13, 2020 18:02:02 GMT 1, ”Notably, the full denominator remains unknown because asymptomatic cases or patients with very mild symptoms might not be tested and will not be identified”. The rest is pure speculation. True figures won’t be known for sometime.
”Notably, the full denominator remains unknown because asymptomatic cases or patients with very mild symptoms might not be tested and will not be identified”. The rest is pure speculation. True figures won’t be known for sometime. That's an actual scientific article, not speculation. Maybe you'd like to consider that the same caveat you put in quotes also applies to unreported flu patients, so it kind of cancels out in the mortality rates comparison. But I am going to rest my case here. All the best. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by nobokov on Mar 13, 2020 18:06:46 GMT 1, It's interesting that you can definitely see the effect on this forum. The art for sale postings are now filled with posters, paper, trinkets that had some sort of perceived value before, but now just seem worthless.
It's interesting that you can definitely see the effect on this forum. The art for sale postings are now filled with posters, paper, trinkets that had some sort of perceived value before, but now just seem worthless.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Big Bad Mo on Mar 13, 2020 18:07:46 GMT 1, Sorry but it’s impossible to say 40 times when there isn’t a known quantity of how many have it. You have just done your own math whilst telling others to not do their own. Everyone agrees the testing has been a failure and not enough is done. Therefore you shouldn’t be scaremongering stats like 40 times if they are based on a selective data set. The tests are only on people who have the worst symptons or in some cases only on people who can demonstrate they were in contact with a previous carrier. This pool of people are always going to have the worst stats which are the best for hysteria. The cruise ship the diamond princess had 3700 passengers, out of those 707 cases were confirmed out of which 7 died( to date granted). I’m not sure if you can get a better sample of this situation than a incident like that. But it wasn’t 3 or 4% death rate of the 3700 population and certainly not 40 times anything. Obviously if the virus didn’t exist those people wouldn’t have died but that’s not a point either. I’m not trying to talk down people getting sick or dying but it’s important to be objective and not get your information from Outlets that drive hysteria. You should always try and do your own math as opposed to just spouting others. I just posted the reference to the Lancet.
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However, these mortality rate estimates are based on the number of deaths relative to the number of confirmed cases of infection, which is not representative of the actual death rate; patients who die on any given day were infected much earlier, and thus the denominator of the mortality rate should be the total number of patients infected at the same time as those who died. Notably, the full denominator remains unknown because asymptomatic cases or patients with very mild symptoms might not be tested and will not be identified. Such cases therefore cannot be included in the estimation of actual mortality rates, since actual estimates pertain to clinically apparent COVID-19 cases.
I would have more emphasis put on a boat of quarantined people than the list of assumptions made in that journal.
Sorry but it’s impossible to say 40 times when there isn’t a known quantity of how many have it. You have just done your own math whilst telling others to not do their own. Everyone agrees the testing has been a failure and not enough is done. Therefore you shouldn’t be scaremongering stats like 40 times if they are based on a selective data set. The tests are only on people who have the worst symptons or in some cases only on people who can demonstrate they were in contact with a previous carrier. This pool of people are always going to have the worst stats which are the best for hysteria. The cruise ship the diamond princess had 3700 passengers, out of those 707 cases were confirmed out of which 7 died( to date granted). I’m not sure if you can get a better sample of this situation than a incident like that. But it wasn’t 3 or 4% death rate of the 3700 population and certainly not 40 times anything. Obviously if the virus didn’t exist those people wouldn’t have died but that’s not a point either. I’m not trying to talk down people getting sick or dying but it’s important to be objective and not get your information from Outlets that drive hysteria. You should always try and do your own math as opposed to just spouting others. I just posted the reference to the Lancet. Extract- However, these mortality rate estimates are based on the number of deaths relative to the number of confirmed cases of infection, which is not representative of the actual death rate; patients who die on any given day were infected much earlier, and thus the denominator of the mortality rate should be the total number of patients infected at the same time as those who died. Notably, the full denominator remains unknown because asymptomatic cases or patients with very mild symptoms might not be tested and will not be identified. Such cases therefore cannot be included in the estimation of actual mortality rates, since actual estimates pertain to clinically apparent COVID-19 cases. I would have more emphasis put on a boat of quarantined people than the list of assumptions made in that journal. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by LJCal on Mar 13, 2020 18:22:17 GMT 1, ”Notably, the full denominator remains unknown because asymptomatic cases or patients with very mild symptoms might not be tested and will not be identified”. The rest is pure speculation. True figures won’t be known for sometime. That's an actual scientific article, not speculation. Maybe you'd like to consider that the same caveat you put in quotes also applies to unreported flu patients, so it kind of cancels out in the mortality rates comparison. But I am going to rest my case here. All the best.
An article based on “estimates” with a big caveat at the start, in other words speculation.
”Notably, the full denominator remains unknown because asymptomatic cases or patients with very mild symptoms might not be tested and will not be identified”. The rest is pure speculation. True figures won’t be known for sometime. That's an actual scientific article, not speculation. Maybe you'd like to consider that the same caveat you put in quotes also applies to unreported flu patients, so it kind of cancels out in the mortality rates comparison. But I am going to rest my case here. All the best. An article based on “estimates” with a big caveat at the start, in other words speculation. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by LJCal on Mar 13, 2020 18:27:29 GMT 1, An article based on “estimates” with a big caveat at the start, in other words speculation. You're probably right. If anyone should recognise speculation-presented-as-fact when they see it, it's you.
I can also recognise a snide, toxic little keyboard warrior
An article based on “estimates” with a big caveat at the start, in other words speculation. You're probably right. If anyone should recognise speculation-presented-as-fact when they see it, it's you. I can also recognise a snide, toxic little keyboard warrior |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Fast Eddie on Mar 13, 2020 18:32:17 GMT 1, That's an actual scientific article, not speculation. Maybe you'd like to consider that the same caveat you put in quotes also applies to unreported flu patients, so it kind of cancels out in the mortality rates comparison. But I am going to rest my case here. All the best. An article based on “estimates” with a big caveat at the start, in other words speculation.
That's an actual scientific article, not speculation. Maybe you'd like to consider that the same caveat you put in quotes also applies to unreported flu patients, so it kind of cancels out in the mortality rates comparison. But I am going to rest my case here. All the best. An article based on “estimates” with a big caveat at the start, in other words speculation. These statements show lack of familiarity with basic concepts in statistics and with scientific writing in general. You do not know what you do not know. Next time you see your doctor, ask whether he/she trusts estimates published on the Lancet. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by LJCal on Mar 13, 2020 18:39:25 GMT 1, An article based on “estimates” with a big caveat at the start, in other words speculation. These statements show lack of familiarity with basic concepts in statistics and with scientific writing in general. You do not know what you do not know. Next time you see your doctor, ask whether he/she trusts estimates published on the Lancet.
Ah well you obviously have a far better grasp than I. Time will tell if this is a genuine issue or not or an over reaction by hysterical politicians and a public caught in the grasp of a media frenzy. I’m betting the later.
An article based on “estimates” with a big caveat at the start, in other words speculation. These statements show lack of familiarity with basic concepts in statistics and with scientific writing in general. You do not know what you do not know. Next time you see your doctor, ask whether he/she trusts estimates published on the Lancet. Ah well you obviously have a far better grasp than I. Time will tell if this is a genuine issue or not or an over reaction by hysterical politicians and a public caught in the grasp of a media frenzy. I’m betting the later. |
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