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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on May 28, 2020 13:35:52 GMT 1, news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-test-and-trace-programme-launches-amid-reports-of-crashes-11996193
At least failure occurred before opening up air travel
Isolations were a complete waste of time further proved by opening up international borders with holiday flights soon to come
Once restrictions lifted majority of the public will ignore any guidelines .
October onwards if no improvements with vaccine trials or medicines will be more devasting
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by cest on May 28, 2020 13:58:31 GMT 1, Anyone have a toxic mary for sale?
Anyone have a toxic mary for sale?
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by wrigs on May 28, 2020 15:41:43 GMT 1, I think they were referring to the fact that a large proportion of those dying of Covid have been elderly and/or suffering from an underlying health condition. So many potentially would have died in the near future itโs just Covid has accelerated this. On the other hand the majority of those being sent to fight an unwinnable war in a remote country most could barely pin point on a map would have been young fit and healthy and died needlessly supporting the cause of the rich and powerful.
Itโs Apple and pears and done to sell a news story.
I think they were referring to the fact that a large proportion of those dying of Covid have been elderly and/or suffering from an underlying health condition. So many potentially would have died in the near future itโs just Covid has accelerated this. On the other hand the majority of those being sent to fight an unwinnable war in a remote country most could barely pin point on a map would have been young fit and healthy and died needlessly supporting the cause of the rich and powerful.
Itโs Apple and pears and done to sell a news story.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Matt on May 28, 2020 15:52:06 GMT 1, I despise trump. Who sees an orange tanned, wig wearing, insecure, incompetent daddy's boy and thinks "this guy would make a great leader" But that article is equally misleading. A fair portion of these deaths would have happened without Covid, whereas very few young men who died in those wars would have met the same fate in peace time. It kinda of sucks to see the BBC play the sensationalist game...because that makes them no better than the chap they are attacking I'm not sure your middle paragraph is correct. ย Most countries separate out Covid and non-Covid deaths. ย I presume America does the same. ย Or am I mistaken?
People who died of Covid died of Covid. But some would have died anyways even without Covid.
The best indicator of Covid impact is to compare Covid deaths to predictable deaths for the period. I believe the U.K. is ahead of the US on that one BTW
Covid has definitely increased the toll for the period but not by 100000. I find it too bad that this otherwise well written article eludes this point
I despise trump. Who sees an orange tanned, wig wearing, insecure, incompetent daddy's boy and thinks "this guy would make a great leader" But that article is equally misleading. A fair portion of these deaths would have happened without Covid, whereas very few young men who died in those wars would have met the same fate in peace time. It kinda of sucks to see the BBC play the sensationalist game...because that makes them no better than the chap they are attacking I'm not sure your middle paragraph is correct. ย Most countries separate out Covid and non-Covid deaths. ย I presume America does the same. ย Or am I mistaken? People who died of Covid died of Covid. But some would have died anyways even without Covid. The best indicator of Covid impact is to compare Covid deaths to predictable deaths for the period. I believe the U.K. is ahead of the US on that one BTW Covid has definitely increased the toll for the period but not by 100000. I find it too bad that this otherwise well written article eludes this point |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Matt on May 28, 2020 16:11:33 GMT 1, I think they were referring to the fact that a large proportion of those dying of Covid have been elderly and/or suffering from an underlying health condition. So many potentially would have died in the near future itโs just Covid has accelerated this. On the other hand the majority of those being sent to fight an unwinnable war in a remote country most could barely pin point on a map would have been young fit and healthy and died needlessly supporting the cause of the rich and powerful. Itโs Apple and pears and done to sell a news story. Respectfully, the 'elderly/underlying health condition' thing is extremely offensive and is being used to somehow excuse a significant number of deaths, and to make us feel better about it all. It's awful. Those who fall into this category include healthy 70 year olds who would expect an average of another 14 years, diabetics of any age with managed conditions who would not expect a diminished life expectancy, or people with any other number of managed conditions that do not currently impact their life. Just as whenย there's a spate of killings among sex workers, labelling them 'murdered prostitutes' is somehow less upsetting for us to read than 'murdered women', we should not be comfortable with the way these deaths are being described. I have no knowledge or interest in the statistic / article that's being referred to here, but I certainly take objection to statements like "So many potentially would have died in the near future itโs just Covid has accelerated this." As you were. Edited to clarify that this isn't an attack on you, wrigs. I'm just making a general point.
Your intentions ร certainly nice and honest, but your point is wrong.
People would have died during this period, such is life. More people than expected died, and that is due to the pandemic.
This is not a moral or political stance, simply statistical
I think they were referring to the fact that a large proportion of those dying of Covid have been elderly and/or suffering from an underlying health condition. So many potentially would have died in the near future itโs just Covid has accelerated this. On the other hand the majority of those being sent to fight an unwinnable war in a remote country most could barely pin point on a map would have been young fit and healthy and died needlessly supporting the cause of the rich and powerful. Itโs Apple and pears and done to sell a news story. Respectfully, the 'elderly/underlying health condition' thing is extremely offensive and is being used to somehow excuse a significant number of deaths, and to make us feel better about it all. It's awful. Those who fall into this category include healthy 70 year olds who would expect an average of another 14 years, diabetics of any age with managed conditions who would not expect a diminished life expectancy, or people with any other number of managed conditions that do not currently impact their life. Just as whenย there's a spate of killings among sex workers, labelling them 'murdered prostitutes' is somehow less upsetting for us to read than 'murdered women', we should not be comfortable with the way these deaths are being described. I have no knowledge or interest in the statistic / article that's being referred to here, but I certainly take objection to statements like "So many potentially would have died in the near future itโs just Covid has accelerated this." As you were. Edited to clarify that this isn't an attack on you, wrigs. I'm just making a general point. Your intentions ร certainly nice and honest, but your point is wrong. People would have died during this period, such is life. More people than expected died, and that is due to the pandemic. This is not a moral or political stance, simply statistical |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by H.R. on May 28, 2020 16:38:16 GMT 1, www.nytimes.com/2020/05/28/opinion/art-social-change.html
An interesting read on art, artists and why they may or may not matter. Also discusses the effect of art during c-19.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by wrigs on May 28, 2020 20:54:30 GMT 1, Your intentions ร certainly nice and honest, but your point is wrong. People would have died during this period, such is life. More people than expected died, and that is due to the pandemic. This is not a moral or political stance, simply statistical I think you have misunderstood my point. Easily done, and perhaps my fault. In some ways I think we are saying the same thing. Of course people would have died during this period. Many people have died unrelated to Covid19, and many who have died with that cause of death would perhaps of died anyway of something else. My point was, and still is, that the argument that those who are elderly or with underlying conditions who have died are somehow less important or can be discounted because they may have died anyway at some point in the future is lazy and offensive.
Apologies, it wasnโt intended to cause offence in anyway. I was just stating trying to compare deaths from a virus to those losing their lives in phoney wars was incomparable and somewhat lazy journalism.
Having lost a family member to Covid, who yes was elderly, I wasnโt attempting to say those lives were any less important merely clarifying the posters point regarding needless wars.
Your intentions ร certainly nice and honest, but your point is wrong. People would have died during this period, such is life. More people than expected died, and that is due to the pandemic. This is not a moral or political stance, simply statistical I think you have misunderstood my point. Easily done, and perhaps my fault. In some ways I think we are saying the same thing. Of course people would have died during this period. Many people have died unrelated to Covid19, and many who have died with that cause of death would perhaps of died anyway of something else. My point was, and still is, that the argument that those who are elderly or with underlying conditions who have died are somehow less important or can be discounted because they may have died anyway at some point in the future is lazy and offensive. Apologies, it wasnโt intended to cause offence in anyway. I was just stating trying to compare deaths from a virus to those losing their lives in phoney wars was incomparable and somewhat lazy journalism. Having lost a family member to Covid, who yes was elderly, I wasnโt attempting to say those lives were any less important merely clarifying the posters point regarding needless wars. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by nobokov on May 29, 2020 0:06:17 GMT 1, I know we've all become virologists in the past three months and would love to share our knowledge, but how about some art discussion. Have you still buying art since the crisis? Has your focus changed to purchase more from emerging artists or blue chip? have primary prices gone down? Would you still go to an art museum or gallery without a vaccine? I personally identify as an epidemiologist and pulmonologist, but to make a glitch in the matrix lets talk about art. The Nobokov zeitgeist is holding strong in the 2020 art market, print market was overpriced and saturated prior to covid 19. Originals by emerging contemporary artists is where I hope to spend my duckets in the future, although it is much more of lurking and enjoying the pieces shown on the new art thread. Primary prices haven't gone "down" but I am getting email responses from inquiries made years ago, and online showing rooms actually have prices in them. That is communication or transparency that I have not experienced prior. For the right museum or gallery show, I would go without a vaccine and practice social distancing mask on to see the works, ducking champagne and hors d'oeuvre.
I know we've all become virologists in the past three months and would love to share our knowledge, but how about some art discussion. Have you still buying art since the crisis? Has your focus changed to purchase more from emerging artists or blue chip? have primary prices gone down? Would you still go to an art museum or gallery without a vaccine? I personally identify as an epidemiologist and pulmonologist, but to make a glitch in the matrix lets talk about art. The Nobokov zeitgeist is holding strong in the 2020 art market, print market was overpriced and saturated prior to covid 19. Originals by emerging contemporary artists is where I hope to spend my duckets in the future, although it is much more of lurking and enjoying the pieces shown on the new art thread. Primary prices haven't gone "down" but I am getting email responses from inquiries made years ago, and online showing rooms actually have prices in them. That is communication or transparency that I have not experienced prior. For the right museum or gallery show, I would go without a vaccine and practice social distancing mask on to see the works, ducking champagne and hors d'oeuvre. Yes it's interesting to be receiving emails from galleries who had never responded in the past or seeing museums solicit for donations. Everyone's hurting across the board. If this goes on for much longer, it's going to be tough envisioning galleries and museums to even return to. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on May 31, 2020 10:15:56 GMT 1, news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-hundreds-flout-lockdown-rules-to-attend-illegal-party-in-east-london-11997798
I quoted in Jest illegal raves as in th 80s would return early in the pandemic but more likely will see more Of these type of raves and easier navigate as have social media now to arrange
The lowering of restrictions have already failed before they have
begun ,
The way the virus has been portrayed on the news that young people do not catch the virus and less likely to spread the virus many believe they are immune and ignoring any guidance .
Plus all the other eu members had stricter policing powers , patrolling All streets , residential areas , high streets , 24hr , questioning any public out , issuing fines , the uks approach was very soft in enforcing .
The way things are unfolding the whole period of isolations has been a waste of time
Korea has just introduced restrictions after releasing lockdowns but the U.K. can not compare to how they control the situation and expect to follow the same as they have a accurate and fully staffed track and trace system in place , testing requirement to match their populations , their citizens listen and follow the guidance more thoroughly , the police are more overbearing in enforcement of rules
news.sky.com/story/rosie-duffield-11997790
Numerous mps across Great Britainโs governments have ignored the guidelines
news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-hundreds-flout-lockdown-rules-to-attend-illegal-party-in-east-london-11997798I quoted in Jest illegal raves as in th 80s would return early in the pandemic but more likely will see more Of these type of raves and easier navigate as have social media now to arrange The lowering of restrictions have already failed before they have begun , The way the virus has been portrayed on the news that young people do not catch the virus and less likely to spread the virus many believe they are immune and ignoring any guidance . Plus all the other eu members had stricter policing powers , patrolling All streets , residential areas , high streets , 24hr , questioning any public out , issuing fines , the uks approach was very soft in enforcing . The way things are unfolding the whole period of isolations has been a waste of time Korea has just introduced restrictions after releasing lockdowns but the U.K. can not compare to how they control the situation and expect to follow the same as they have a accurate and fully staffed track and trace system in place , testing requirement to match their populations , their citizens listen and follow the guidance more thoroughly , the police are more overbearing in enforcement of rules news.sky.com/story/rosie-duffield-11997790Numerous mps across Great Britainโs governments have ignored the guidelines
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by nobokov on Jun 1, 2020 22:33:37 GMT 1, Yes it's interesting to be receiving emails from galleries who had never responded in the past or seeing museums solicit for donations. Everyone's hurting across the board. If this goes on for much longer, it's going to be tough envisioning galleries and museums to even return to. Jerry Gogosian said it best  The road to a new normal for the museums and galleries is a scary one to think about. If these are the results in Korea, I shudder to think how the U.S.A. experiment will go: news.artnet.com/market/seoul-museums-and-galleries-shut-down-again-amid-new-spike-in-virus-cases-1873275Completely unrelated, what is your opinion of this dude? Forgot about him after his youtube video roasting KAWS a while back... http://instagr.am/p/CAf-PrNBqWa
Yes it's interesting to be receiving emails from galleries who had never responded in the past or seeing museums solicit for donations. Everyone's hurting across the board. If this goes on for much longer, it's going to be tough envisioning galleries and museums to even return to. Jerry Gogosian said it best The road to a new normal for the museums and galleries is a scary one to think about. If these are the results in Korea, I shudder to think how the U.S.A. experiment will go: news.artnet.com/market/seoul-museums-and-galleries-shut-down-again-amid-new-spike-in-virus-cases-1873275Completely unrelated, what is your opinion of this dude? Forgot about him after his youtube video roasting KAWS a while back... http://instagr.am/p/CAf-PrNBqWa Thanks, I wasn't even aware of this guy. I watched his KAWS video and like the way he presents things with a great sarcastic zeal. Love the enthusiasm and thought the argument made sense. I'll watch more of his posts and form an opinion. What do you think of him? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Jun 6, 2020 20:12:56 GMT 1, Second wave will be now conveniently blamed on the protesting seen around the world
Second wave will be now conveniently blamed on the protesting seen around the world
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Terry Fuckwitt on Jun 12, 2020 15:47:11 GMT 1, So Boris said he couldn't ease any lockdown until the R rate was well below 1, otherwise the virus would spread quickly.
Now they admit it's above 1 in a few parts of the UK but lockdown is as good as officially over.
Well fuckin done Boris, but at least you built the Nightingale hospital in quick time.
Rant over... I'm off to buy a new pair of trainers and get a mcdonalds on the way home.
So Boris said he couldn't ease any lockdown until the R rate was well below 1, otherwise the virus would spread quickly.
Now they admit it's above 1 in a few parts of the UK but lockdown is as good as officially over.
Well fuckin done Boris, but at least you built the Nightingale hospital in quick time.
Rant over... I'm off to buy a new pair of trainers and get a mcdonalds on the way home.
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by mojo on Jun 12, 2020 17:29:22 GMT 1, So Boris said he couldn't ease any lockdown until the R rate was well below 1, otherwise the virus would spread quickly. Now they admit it's above 1 in a few parts of the UK but lockdown is as good as officially over. Well fuckin done Boris, but at least you built the Nightingale hospital in quick time. Rant over... I'm off to buy a new pair of trainers and get a mcdonalds on the way home.
So Boris said he couldn't ease any lockdown until the R rate was well below 1, otherwise the virus would spread quickly. Now they admit it's above 1 in a few parts of the UK but lockdown is as good as officially over. Well fuckin done Boris, but at least you built the Nightingale hospital in quick time. Rant over... I'm off to buy a new pair of trainers and get a mcdonalds on the way home. The problem with the Nightingale Hospital was there wasn't ever enough qualified ICU staff to work in it. Because lets face it with 65,000 people dead (mums dads brothers sisters aunties uncles nieces nephews daughters sons) there certainly wasn't a lack of patients that could have benefited from being cared for and kept alive had they been admitted. Much as I hate war analogies it took Hitler 6 years to kill that many people and we are only 3 months in. If only this government hadn't abandoned contact tracing in favour of herd immunity on 12th March 2020 we wouldn't be in this mess. That decision and date will (or should) go down in history as the most damaging and costly day in the UK's history. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by put the kettle on on Jun 12, 2020 17:42:58 GMT 1, People are to fixated on this below R1, Its a nasty virus/flu. People die WITH flu every year. Some people need to be reminded of this fact.
65 thousand Dead from coronavirus, where did you get this figure from.
Do you know how many people die each year from TB? and its treatable.
Wash your hands, cover your mouth when coughing and stop blaming the Government for everything
People are to fixated on this below R1, Its a nasty virus/flu. People die WITH flu every year. Some people need to be reminded of this fact.
65 thousand Dead from coronavirus, where did you get this figure from.
Do you know how many people die each year from TB? and its treatable.
Wash your hands, cover your mouth when coughing and stop blaming the Government for everything
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by k2 on Jun 12, 2020 17:47:55 GMT 1, So Boris said he couldn't ease any lockdown until the R rate was well below 1, otherwise the virus would spread quickly. Now they admit it's above 1 in a few parts of the UK but lockdown is as good as officially over. Well fuckin done Boris, but at least you built the Nightingale hospital in quick time. Rant over... I'm off to buy a new pair of trainers and get a mcdonalds on the way home. The problem with the Nightingale Hospital was there wasn't ever enough qualified ICU staff to work in it. Because lets face it with 65,000 people dead (mums dads brothers sisters aunties uncles nieces nephews daughters sons) there certainly wasn't a lack of patients that could have benefited from being cared for and kept alive had they been admitted. Much as I hate war analogies it took Hitler 6 years to kill that many people and we are only 3 months in. If only this government hadn't abandoned contact tracing in favour of herd immunity on 12th March 2020 we wouldn't be in this mess. That decision and date will (or should) go down in history as the most damaging and costly day in the UK's history.
So Boris said he couldn't ease any lockdown until the R rate was well below 1, otherwise the virus would spread quickly. Now they admit it's above 1 in a few parts of the UK but lockdown is as good as officially over. Well fuckin done Boris, but at least you built the Nightingale hospital in quick time. Rant over... I'm off to buy a new pair of trainers and get a mcdonalds on the way home. The problem with the Nightingale Hospital was there wasn't ever enough qualified ICU staff to work in it. Because lets face it with 65,000 people dead (mums dads brothers sisters aunties uncles nieces nephews daughters sons) there certainly wasn't a lack of patients that could have benefited from being cared for and kept alive had they been admitted. Much as I hate war analogies it took Hitler 6 years to kill that many people and we are only 3 months in. If only this government hadn't abandoned contact tracing in favour of herd immunity on 12th March 2020 we wouldn't be in this mess. That decision and date will (or should) go down in history as the most damaging and costly day in the UK's history. I hate to post links featuring a Tory, but Rory Stewart's words from early March have aged well. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by tab1 on Jun 12, 2020 18:29:40 GMT 1, People are to fixated on this below R1, Its a nasty virus/flu. People die WITH flu every year.ย Some people need to be reminded of this fact.ย 65 thousand Dead from coronavirus, where did you get this figure from. Do you know how many people die each year from TB? and its treatable. Wash your hands, cover your mouth when coughing and stop blaming the Government for everything
People are fixated With the r figure as the government were drumming that figure and terminology and representation of the r number into the publicโs consciousness by the constant news briefings ,explanations of consequences related to the r figure and charts they used to highlight the importance of the r figure Almost daily over the last 4 weeks so that is one relevant point the government can be blamed for peoples fixations?
People are to fixated on this below R1, Its a nasty virus/flu. People die WITH flu every year.ย Some people need to be reminded of this fact.ย 65 thousand Dead from coronavirus, where did you get this figure from. Do you know how many people die each year from TB? and its treatable. Wash your hands, cover your mouth when coughing and stop blaming the Government for everything People are fixated With the r figure as the government were drumming that figure and terminology and representation of the r number into the publicโs consciousness by the constant news briefings ,explanations of consequences related to the r figure and charts they used to highlight the importance of the r figure Almost daily over the last 4 weeks so that is one relevant point the government can be blamed for peoples fixations? |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Terry Fuckwitt on Jun 12, 2020 18:40:52 GMT 1, People are to fixated on this below R1, Its a nasty virus/flu. People die WITH flu every year.ย Some people need to be reminded of this fact.ย 65 thousand Dead from coronavirus, where did you get this figure from. Do you know how many people die each year from TB? and its treatable. Wash your hands, cover your mouth when coughing and stop blaming the Government for everything
Are you joking? I read it twice and still can't tell.
If you posted this 3 months ago, I wouldn't be so shocked as I am now.
Deaths from TB in the UK is miniscule compared to Coronavirus.
I'm happy you and your family have not had anyone close to you badly affected by coronavirus, otherwise I think you might think differently.
Stop blaming the government? I blame our government 100% for the whole shit show from the onset.
People are to fixated on this below R1, Its a nasty virus/flu. People die WITH flu every year.ย Some people need to be reminded of this fact.ย 65 thousand Dead from coronavirus, where did you get this figure from. Do you know how many people die each year from TB? and its treatable. Wash your hands, cover your mouth when coughing and stop blaming the Government for everything Are you joking? I read it twice and still can't tell. If you posted this 3 months ago, I wouldn't be so shocked as I am now. Deaths from TB in the UK is miniscule compared to Coronavirus. I'm happy you and your family have not had anyone close to you badly affected by coronavirus, otherwise I think you might think differently. Stop blaming the government? I blame our government 100% for the whole shit show from the onset. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Terry Fuckwitt on Jun 12, 2020 18:43:51 GMT 1, So Boris said he couldn't ease any lockdown until the R rate was well below 1, otherwise the virus would spread quickly. Now they admit it's above 1 in a few parts of the UK but lockdown is as good as officially over. Well fuckin done Boris, but at least you built the Nightingale hospital in quick time. Rant over... I'm off to buy a new pair of trainers and get a mcdonalds on the way home. The problem with the Nightingale Hospital was there wasn't ever enough qualified ICU staff to work in it. Because lets face it with 65,000 people dead (mums dads brothers sisters aunties uncles nieces nephews daughters sons) there certainly wasn't a lack of patients that could have benefited from being cared for and kept alive had they been admitted. ย Much as I hate war analogies it took Hitler 6 years to kill that many people and we are only 3 months in. ย If only this government hadn't abandoned contact tracing in favour of herd immunity on 12th March 2020 we wouldn't be in this mess. ย That decision and date will (or should) go down in history as the most damaging and costly day in the UK's history. ย
100% agree. It looks like we are going down the herd immunity route now anyway, too many fuckups along the way to do anything else now.
So Boris said he couldn't ease any lockdown until the R rate was well below 1, otherwise the virus would spread quickly. Now they admit it's above 1 in a few parts of the UK but lockdown is as good as officially over. Well fuckin done Boris, but at least you built the Nightingale hospital in quick time. Rant over... I'm off to buy a new pair of trainers and get a mcdonalds on the way home. The problem with the Nightingale Hospital was there wasn't ever enough qualified ICU staff to work in it. Because lets face it with 65,000 people dead (mums dads brothers sisters aunties uncles nieces nephews daughters sons) there certainly wasn't a lack of patients that could have benefited from being cared for and kept alive had they been admitted. ย Much as I hate war analogies it took Hitler 6 years to kill that many people and we are only 3 months in. ย If only this government hadn't abandoned contact tracing in favour of herd immunity on 12th March 2020 we wouldn't be in this mess. ย That decision and date will (or should) go down in history as the most damaging and costly day in the UK's history. ย 100% agree. It looks like we are going down the herd immunity route now anyway, too many fuckups along the way to do anything else now. |
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by drip on Jun 12, 2020 20:21:50 GMT 1, I always find it weird when people say things like "Seasonal flu kills more each year" or "cancer kills more" etc, etc; we have seasonal flu, cancer, etc AND now also Covid-19. It's not a one-in-one-out kind of thing. And we're fighting for our lives (and also apparently livelihoods) against all of those things.
I always find it weird when people say things like "Seasonal flu kills more each year" or "cancer kills more" etc, etc; we have seasonal flu, cancer, etc AND now also Covid-19. It's not a one-in-one-out kind of thing. And we're fighting for our lives (and also apparently livelihoods) against all of those things.
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Terry Fuckwitt
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October 2019
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Corona Virus effect on the art market?, by Terry Fuckwitt on Jun 12, 2020 20:23:55 GMT 1, 100% agree. It looks like we are going down the herd immunity route now anyway, too many fuckups along the way to do anything else now. Herd immunity is the ONLY way you can stop a pandemic; any pandemic. ย You either cause herd immunity by infecting almost everybody in a population or else you vaccinate people which is also a means of achieving herd immunity. ย
Better prevention from the beginning to slow the infection rate would have been my choice.
Herd immunity when even at a 1% death rate from infection would be 700,000 deaths in UK alone.
Only hope now that the virus mutates to a weaker strain or fades out.
Anyway, I think we've covered about everything coronavirus here, so I'm off to get drunk๐
100% agree. It looks like we are going down the herd immunity route now anyway, too many fuckups along the way to do anything else now. Herd immunity is the ONLY way you can stop a pandemic; any pandemic. ย You either cause herd immunity by infecting almost everybody in a population or else you vaccinate people which is also a means of achieving herd immunity. ย Better prevention from the beginning to slow the infection rate would have been my choice. Herd immunity when even at a 1% death rate from infection would be 700,000 deaths in UK alone. Only hope now that the virus mutates to a weaker strain or fades out. Anyway, I think we've covered about everything coronavirus here, so I'm off to get drunk๐ |
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