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Its actually been nice on the forum without the aforementioned ‘plonkers’ so well done on trying to kick of off again. If we now get a repeat of the same old tripe again that we usually have to put up with you will definitely be the third plonker..

If they have any shame they won't be back.

Omg I'd never have seen this coming

What a surprise

lol

Anyone following the scene to any level, knows that the market is not treating anyone well.

Funny that some would love to focus ALL that market energy on one artist though. Also, picking out a massive outlier to use as your base point for evidence, shows you have no clue what you are talking about when it cones to data analysis. What a shock that is lol.

Lets keep the fat lad in the right though shall we (might have to start calling tory boy Donald or 45 or something from now on lol), he needs to get some positive energy from something i guess. The mars bar diet wont provide much after all, i know, i tried it. Some things are harder to turn around than others.

Buy when others sell, sell when others buy. Its as old as the hills, and as trustable as your granny. Feel free to ignore it, thats WHY its so good to buy the dips. 

What *is* the story with the high prices for Albert Willem? Is it money laundering? Drugs? TikTokkers? Any theories? Would also accept gossip.

Been saying it for a while now that there is everything wrong with willem’s sky high prices and even stranger that I have seen the high end auction houses mentioned with pics of noir and willem side by side. All auction houses are 100% trustworthy though right 🤣🤣 fishy fishy fishy

Yet more drivel to defend a terrible artist, give up you boring sod

"Lets keep the fat lad in the right though shall we (might have to start calling tory boy Donald or 45 or something from now on lol), he needs to get some positive energy from something i guess. The mars bar diet wont provide much after all, i know, i tried it. Some things are harder to turn around than others."

Sounds like you are a nasty little bully that needs help too !

Lol, well constructed counter argument there, very er, devoid of any substance. Or acceptance that artists are not all for everyone. 

Thanks for your non input. 

Hang on a minute… “Funny that some would love to focus ALL that market energy on one artist though”

Didn’t you create this thread to discuss Theirry Noir Christie’s, Philips, Sotheby’s Auctions? All about one artist? 
Maybe change it?

Theirry Noir Christie’s, Philips, Sotheby’s Auctions, Warning - only discuss auctions when my art collection is increasing. 

Yeah cool man. But you dont know the future, and you have no evidence of anything, as usual.

So as ever, your already well proven to be flawed opinions, are of little value. 

You and the rest of us, will see how he comes out the other side of this, i dont know, and happily admit that. Your reputation (as a not really a gallery) is again on the line. But you are so sure of this, like you were about the posters, which you were 100% wrong about eh. You slated stik alongside noir, then start selling his work in your "not really a gallery" like the pure money driven hypocrite you are. 

I would assume you have leached the scene, and done nothing for artists or any other part of this arty world. 

Your full of your own self importance.

Lol deep down i know what? wow, you know what im thinking now? deep down and in general, i know your full of shit.

The biggest problem I have with Henner's and Pete is the baseless hype.  It is literally propaganda and marketing.  We do not need to over sell the value of an artist especially in a forum like this.  Comparing Noir to Warhol, Basquiat, Hirst, Picasso, and so many others is pointless.  The former have history on their side and time.  Noir will get there organically if her deserves it (which I sincerely hope he does) but building hype and false hope is trying to will it to be and in art that rarely succeeds.

My second issue is they shift their narrative to fit the conditions.  It is like sports commentators who bash a team then when they surprise they pivot the conversation like they never said what they did.  Own what you say and do not try and pivot your proclamations.  If things are a given they will not "crash" there might be a minor dip but not a crash.  I think we would be hard pressed to find an equal drop in all the artists you and Henner's were comparing Noir too.  

There is a fine line between being a fan and positive on someone vs overhype and marketing.  And if you are marketing or part of his team be transparent about it.  What I have seen from both you and Henners are attacks on people and out right avoidance on you true role in the marketplace.  Having that transparency would Gove the readers much more clarity if it is marketing vs real market conditions.  And to me would feel a lot more ethical.

This is just my opinion but where I feel Noir has suffered from both of your hype, and in many cases attacks on people who disagree with you or dislike Thierry.  Rather than respond with fact and real analysis it is suggestion / diversion / deception / blurry answers / pivots.  Me personally I am a huge fan.  He has been very good to me AND I hope he hits the next level.  But I bought him because I like him not because I hope to make money.  I always look at "living artists" as non-investments.  The true value of art happens over generations and definitely changes over time as tastes change... only a handful of works will be worth tens and hundreds of millions over centuries.  

It’s obviously been pumped and dumped, all the pumpers are out and you’ve been left holding the bag.

They move onto the next artist to hype up and you are left behind. They aren’t coming back for you buddy. It’s over. 

I havnt shifted my narrative at all. Ive been commentating on what actually happened. The market has changed though. 

Marketing is a major part of the art world, its how those that rise, rise. Many a great artist with no career. 

Comparisons to the great artists you mention have related to the way they were viewed in their early career, nothing more as far as i remember. Thats a fair comparison. But seems a little disingenuous considering the way its being pitched here.

As for changing narratives, ive been accused of being, Noir, Henners, an employee, a shill, and god knows what else was needed to fit the attack. Today, im both a con man who dupped a bunch of people, and a bagholder who who got screwed.

In truth, im a fan, thats known him and painted with him, helped set up his shows over the last 10 years. But hey, i can only say it so many times, there are threads here that prove it, shows, giveaways, previews and god knows what. But there are also plenty of people that know this. And a bunch of others, that would rather talk shit than find that out. Funny thing about evidence, its either their or it isnt, shame more people cant work that out. I also have used evidence to back up almost all of my points, claiming i dont is low scrapping. Especially since all i did was post auctions that existed, and the results of said auctions. 

Anyhow, the stupidity this has become, is clear to anyone with a brain, the rest of you can carry on talking utter baseless shite for shits n giggles.