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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 18:54:31 GMT 1, Iβm not the lawyer of the seller and not even sure if he/ she is aware of all this, but as Iβm working in the certification business I know this exactly and donβt like it, when others are just writing something without evidence of proof.
Iβm not the lawyer of the seller and not even sure if he/ she is aware of all this, but as Iβm working in the certification business I know this exactly and donβt like it, when others are just writing something without evidence of proof.
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 18:56:59 GMT 1, Its more a generic piece of wall (I don't think even from the Berlin wall) with a plastic Noir wrap, not really authorized by Noir. You could find this crappy things at the Vietnamese Market in Berlin before Corona (haven'tΒ΄been there since February). Sorry, but I have to disagree with you, these are original wall pieces from the Berlin Wall and from the Walls which Noir painted, they are certified from the TΓV in Germany ( certification company ) and they are official licensed by Noir. Yes, you could buy them in several shops in Berlin, but as Noir stopped his license rights on all these, they everywhere sold out. Also if we do not like them, we should be so fair and be honest with the history of them.
Its more a generic piece of wall (I don't think even from the Berlin wall) with a plastic Noir wrap, not really authorized by Noir. You could find this crappy things at the Vietnamese Market in Berlin before Corona (haven'tΒ΄been there since February). Sorry, but I have to disagree with you, these are original wall pieces from the Berlin Wall and from the Walls which Noir painted, they are certified from the TΓV in Germany ( certification company ) and they are official licensed by Noir. Yes, you could buy them in several shops in Berlin, but as Noir stopped his license rights on all these, they everywhere sold out. Also if we do not like them, we should be so fair and be honest with the history of them. Honestly I didnβt knew all this and didnβt want to offend somebody here... If someone likes it, you can text me if you donβt like it it is also ok for me |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by beicoblack on Dec 2, 2020 19:06:34 GMT 1, Its more a generic piece of wall (I don't think even from the Berlin wall) with a plastic Noir wrap, not really authorized by Noir. You could find this crappy things at the Vietnamese Market in Berlin before Corona (haven'tΒ΄been there since February). Sorry, but I have to disagree with you, these are original wall pieces from the Berlin Wall and from the Walls which Noir painted, they are certified from the TΓV in Germany ( certification company ) and they are official licensed by Noir. Yes, you could buy them in several shops in Berlin, but as Noir stopped his license rights on all these, they everywhere sold out. Also if we do not like them, we should be so fair and be honest with the history of them.
Its more a generic piece of wall (I don't think even from the Berlin wall) with a plastic Noir wrap, not really authorized by Noir. You could find this crappy things at the Vietnamese Market in Berlin before Corona (haven'tΒ΄been there since February). Sorry, but I have to disagree with you, these are original wall pieces from the Berlin Wall and from the Walls which Noir painted, they are certified from the TΓV in Germany ( certification company ) and they are official licensed by Noir. Yes, you could buy them in several shops in Berlin, but as Noir stopped his license rights on all these, they everywhere sold out. Also if we do not like them, we should be so fair and be honest with the history of them. Aha... a certificate? Nice! Did you ever go to the Dong Xuan Center in Berlin? |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 19:11:21 GMT 1, Sorry, but I have to disagree with you, these are original wall pieces from the Berlin Wall and from the Walls which Noir painted, they are certified from the TΓV in Germany ( certification company ) and they are official licensed by Noir. Yes, you could buy them in several shops in Berlin, but as Noir stopped his license rights on all these, they everywhere sold out. Also if we do not like them, we should be so fair and be honest with the history of them. Aha... a certificate? Nice! Did you ever go to theΒ Dong Xuan Center in Berlin?
Again mate, if you produce these wall pieces and it doesnβt matter if Noir or what ever, you need a check from the TΓV, Dekra or whatever and proof, that these are official wall pieces from the Berlin Wall. I donβt know on which Chinese markets you are active, but the pieces which you buy in shops ( which pay their taxes etc legally in Germany ) you have the guarantee, that these wall pieces are made of the Berlin Wall. Accept it or not
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you, these are original wall pieces from the Berlin Wall and from the Walls which Noir painted, they are certified from the TΓV in Germany ( certification company ) and they are official licensed by Noir. Yes, you could buy them in several shops in Berlin, but as Noir stopped his license rights on all these, they everywhere sold out. Also if we do not like them, we should be so fair and be honest with the history of them. Aha... a certificate? Nice! Did you ever go to theΒ Dong Xuan Center in Berlin? Again mate, if you produce these wall pieces and it doesnβt matter if Noir or what ever, you need a check from the TΓV, Dekra or whatever and proof, that these are official wall pieces from the Berlin Wall. I donβt know on which Chinese markets you are active, but the pieces which you buy in shops ( which pay their taxes etc legally in Germany ) you have the guarantee, that these wall pieces are made of the Berlin Wall. Accept it or not |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by beicoblack on Dec 2, 2020 19:16:25 GMT 1, Aha... a certificate? Nice! Did you ever go to the Dong Xuan Center in Berlin? Again mate, if you produce these wall pieces and it doesnβt matter if Noir or what ever, you need a check from the TΓV, Dekra or whatever and proof, that these are official wall pieces from the Berlin Wall. I donβt know on which Chinese markets you are active, but the pieces which you buy in shops ( which pay their taxes etc legally in Germany ) you have the guarantee, that these wall pieces are made of the Berlin Wall. Accept it or not
You know what... you are right! No time to deal with suckers like you.
But do you research before you post any racist comments.
Aha... a certificate? Nice! Did you ever go to the Dong Xuan Center in Berlin? Again mate, if you produce these wall pieces and it doesnβt matter if Noir or what ever, you need a check from the TΓV, Dekra or whatever and proof, that these are official wall pieces from the Berlin Wall. I donβt know on which Chinese markets you are active, but the pieces which you buy in shops ( which pay their taxes etc legally in Germany ) you have the guarantee, that these wall pieces are made of the Berlin Wall. Accept it or not You know what... you are right! No time to deal with suckers like you. But do you research before you post any racist comments. |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by Tobi187 on Dec 2, 2020 19:24:21 GMT 1, Aha... a certificate? Nice! Did you ever go to the Dong Xuan Center in Berlin? Again mate, if you produce these wall pieces and it doesnβt matter if Noir or what ever, you need a check from the TΓV, Dekra or whatever and proof, that these are official wall pieces from the Berlin Wall. I donβt know on which Chinese markets you are active, but the pieces which you buy in shops ( which pay their taxes etc legally in Germany ) you have the guarantee, that these wall pieces are made of the Berlin Wall. Accept it or not
Just google Dong Xuan Center, its kind of a tourist attraction in the city.
Aha... a certificate? Nice! Did you ever go to the Dong Xuan Center in Berlin? Again mate, if you produce these wall pieces and it doesnβt matter if Noir or what ever, you need a check from the TΓV, Dekra or whatever and proof, that these are official wall pieces from the Berlin Wall. I donβt know on which Chinese markets you are active, but the pieces which you buy in shops ( which pay their taxes etc legally in Germany ) you have the guarantee, that these wall pieces are made of the Berlin Wall. Accept it or not is actually right. This wall pieces, toy cars and key chains and more stuff used to be available for super cheap not only at this market. Plenty of the souvenir shops in Berlin buy their stock there. Its been a while but I used to live not far from this area. Just google Dong Xuan Center, its kind of a tourist attraction in the city. |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by BASARTS on Dec 2, 2020 19:42:04 GMT 1, I am not so sure if pieces like this are really certificated.
I won't post the link since I don't want to send anyone to this crappy shop).
I am not so sure if pieces like this are really certificated. I won't post the link since I don't want to send anyone to this crappy shop). |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 19:46:03 GMT 1, Again mate, if you produce these wall pieces and it doesnβt matter if Noir or what ever, you need a check from the TΓV, Dekra or whatever and proof, that these are official wall pieces from the Berlin Wall. I donβt know on which Chinese markets you are active, but the pieces which you buy in shops ( which pay their taxes etc legally in Germany ) you have the guarantee, that these wall pieces are made of the Berlin Wall. Accept it or not You know what... you are right! No time to deal with suckers like you. But do you research before you post any racist comments.
Oh you are getting personal? ππJesus how poor you are. Do not even know where Chinese market is racis but good to know
Again mate, if you produce these wall pieces and it doesnβt matter if Noir or what ever, you need a check from the TΓV, Dekra or whatever and proof, that these are official wall pieces from the Berlin Wall. I donβt know on which Chinese markets you are active, but the pieces which you buy in shops ( which pay their taxes etc legally in Germany ) you have the guarantee, that these wall pieces are made of the Berlin Wall. Accept it or not You know what... you are right! No time to deal with suckers like you. But do you research before you post any racist comments. Oh you are getting personal? ππJesus how poor you are. Do not even know where Chinese market is racis but good to know |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by BASARTS on Dec 2, 2020 20:00:23 GMT 1, Oh you are getting personal? ππJesus how poor you are. Do not even know where Chinese market is racis but good to know
Oh you are getting personal? ππJesus how poor you are. Do not even know where Chinese market is racis but good to know I really do not want to get involved too much in this here but I am from Vietnam and personally I do not like it if someone calls me Chinese. And this happens quit often. |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by DAVE on Dec 2, 2020 20:03:58 GMT 1, I have actually bought an 'official' piece of the wall from a shop near Checkpoint Charlie before and it did indeed come with a certificate.
One of my favourite restaurants named Tim Raue just nearby to there if anyone is ever around, pricey but you get what you pay for.
I have actually bought an 'official' piece of the wall from a shop near Checkpoint Charlie before and it did indeed come with a certificate.
One of my favourite restaurants named Tim Raue just nearby to there if anyone is ever around, pricey but you get what you pay for.
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by Tobi187 on Dec 2, 2020 20:08:33 GMT 1, I have actually bought an 'official' piece of the wall from a shop near Checkpoint Charlie before and it did indeed come with a certificate. One of my favourite restaurants named Tim Raue just nearby to there if anyone is ever around, pricey but you get what you pay for.
But I bet you won't get any kind of certificate if you order this pieces of stone for 4 bucks.
I also could be wrong...
I have actually bought an 'official' piece of the wall from a shop near Checkpoint Charlie before and it did indeed come with a certificate. One of my favourite restaurants named Tim Raue just nearby to there if anyone is ever around, pricey but you get what you pay for. Yes, there a plenty of official stores near Checkpoint Charly and the areas around it. But I bet you won't get any kind of certificate if you order this pieces of stone for 4 bucks. I also could be wrong... |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by yellow on Dec 2, 2020 20:28:56 GMT 1, sold out?
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by yellow on Dec 2, 2020 20:39:24 GMT 1, Dong Xuan Center is a wholesale market
Dong Xuan Center is a wholesale market
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 21:11:00 GMT 1, These Berlin wall pieces and souvenirs were licenced by Thierry Noir, I think from 2014-2016. there were also a few dedicated shops of only Noir souvenirs in Berlin. As mentioned in this thread Noir stopped the licensing of these articles. Some of these souvenirs which are popping up were official Noir licensed souvenirs, not sure/aware if these are been produced at present by fraudalent souvenir companies.     
Thank you, after all this Bla bla shit a well qualified comment!
These Berlin wall pieces and souvenirs were licenced by Thierry Noir, I think from 2014-2016. there were also a few dedicated shops of only Noir souvenirs in Berlin. As mentioned in this thread Noir stopped the licensing of these articles. Some of these souvenirs which are popping up were official Noir licensed souvenirs, not sure/aware if these are been produced at present by fraudalent souvenir companies. Thank you, after all this Bla bla shit a well qualified comment! |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by jfox789 on Dec 2, 2020 21:25:48 GMT 1, Whats the current going rate on a Berlin Painted Chunk?
Whats the current going rate on a Berlin Painted Chunk?
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by urbanwear on Dec 2, 2020 21:44:53 GMT 1, Whats the current going rate on a Berlin Painted Chunk?
Original certificated Berlin wall pieces about 2-3cm in official Berlin souvenir shops about β¬7 -10, they are original certificated wall pieces but coloured/sprayed recently.
If you managed to find (very hard) an origianl wall piece with original graffiti/painting, they are usually huge and were talking about thousands β¬.
Whats the current going rate on a Berlin Painted Chunk? Depends on what chunks, Noir painted chunks about 10cm at source in april were about Β£400, now I don't know, someone on this thread mentiond about Β£4.800. Original certificated Berlin wall pieces about 2-3cm in official Berlin souvenir shops about β¬7 -10, they are original certificated wall pieces but coloured/sprayed recently. If you managed to find (very hard) an origianl wall piece with original graffiti/painting, they are usually huge and were talking about thousands β¬. |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by DAVE on Dec 2, 2020 21:54:55 GMT 1, Whats the current going rate on a Berlin Painted Chunk? Depends on what chunks, Noir painted chunks about 10cm at souce in april were about Β£400, now I don't know, someone mentiond about Β£4.800. Original certificated Berlin wall pieces about 2-3cm in official Berlin souvenir shops about β¬7 -10, they are original certificated wall pieces but coloured/sprayed recently.Β If you managed to find (very hard) an origianl wall piece with original graffiti/painting, they are usually huge and were talking about thousands β¬.
4.8 for the Berlin painted chunks? Surely not
Whats the current going rate on a Berlin Painted Chunk? Depends on what chunks, Noir painted chunks about 10cm at souce in april were about Β£400, now I don't know, someone mentiond about Β£4.800. Original certificated Berlin wall pieces about 2-3cm in official Berlin souvenir shops about β¬7 -10, they are original certificated wall pieces but coloured/sprayed recently.Β If you managed to find (very hard) an origianl wall piece with original graffiti/painting, they are usually huge and were talking about thousands β¬. 4.8 for the Berlin painted chunks? Surely not |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by hopperdj on Dec 5, 2020 19:28:10 GMT 1, Weβll find out soon, the walls are coming soon.
Weβll find out soon, the walls are coming soon. |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by antony on Dec 5, 2020 20:06:35 GMT 1, Weβll find out soon, the walls are coming soon. is nice but think very much money
4800 pounds π
Weβll find out soon, the walls are coming soon. is nice but think very much money 4800 pounds π |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by tab1 on Dec 5, 2020 20:52:18 GMT 1, That make a shit on my head
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by Art for Love 1 on Dec 5, 2020 22:18:31 GMT 1, is nice but think very much money 4800 pounds π
is nice but think very much money 4800 pounds π how much? |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by Pawel on Dec 6, 2020 1:59:22 GMT 1, Is he selling through auction now? Thatβs new
Is he selling through auction now? Thatβs new
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by BerlinerAir on Dec 6, 2020 9:04:45 GMT 1, If he keeps on producing paintings at this pace, his merch will be rarer and more valuable than his actual paintings. The last painting I have seen on ebay sold for as little as 1k, lets see how his painting at Forum Auctions will perform (estimated 800 to 1200 GBP).
If he keeps on producing paintings at this pace, his merch will be rarer and more valuable than his actual paintings. The last painting I have seen on ebay sold for as little as 1k, lets see how his painting at Forum Auctions will perform (estimated 800 to 1200 GBP).
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by 18921892 on Dec 6, 2020 10:10:12 GMT 1, If he keeps on producing paintings at this pace, his merch will be rarer and more valuable than his actual paintings. The last painting I have seen on ebay sold for as little as 1k, lets see how his painting at Forum Auctions will perform (estimated 800 to 1200 GBP).
If he keeps on producing paintings at this pace, his merch will be rarer and more valuable than his actual paintings. The last painting I have seen on ebay sold for as little as 1k, lets see how his painting at Forum Auctions will perform (estimated 800 to 1200 GBP). I believe the Thierry Noir print at Tate Ward went unsold last month. |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by Morfx on Dec 6, 2020 10:46:15 GMT 1, If he keeps on producing paintings at this pace, his merch will be rarer and more valuable than his actual paintings. The last painting I have seen on ebay sold for as little as 1k, lets see how his painting at Forum Auctions will perform (estimated 800 to 1200 GBP).
Clearly the merch will never be worth more than the original's.. π
If he keeps on producing paintings at this pace, his merch will be rarer and more valuable than his actual paintings. The last painting I have seen on ebay sold for as little as 1k, lets see how his painting at Forum Auctions will perform (estimated 800 to 1200 GBP). Clearly the merch will never be worth more than the original's.. π |
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by BerlinerAir on Dec 6, 2020 11:09:06 GMT 1, Agree, but his paintings are a mass product and at one point supply will be higher than demand. Don't misunderstand me, I like his work (own a few old paintings myself) but lets be realistic, his wall pieces won't take him more than 5 min to produce... and potentially its cheaper to paint his canvases and wall pieces than to produce a print. To me it seems he is currently milking the cow as much as he can and personally I don't see it work long term.
Agree, but his paintings are a mass product and at one point supply will be higher than demand. Don't misunderstand me, I like his work (own a few old paintings myself) but lets be realistic, his wall pieces won't take him more than 5 min to produce... and potentially its cheaper to paint his canvases and wall pieces than to produce a print. To me it seems he is currently milking the cow as much as he can and personally I don't see it work long term.
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by Morfx on Dec 6, 2020 12:26:03 GMT 1, Only time will tell.. but can you name one artist where his prints are worth more than his original's? Alive or dead?
Only time will tell.. but can you name one artist where his prints are worth more than his original's? Alive or dead?
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Thierry Noir π¨π΅ Berlin Wall β’ French Street Arist , by BerlinerAir on Dec 6, 2020 13:09:49 GMT 1, I can't, but tell me one credible artist who is flooding the market like this... I can't think about one credible name either. As said, I think his work is good but the way he is marketing his art is just about short term gain.
I can't, but tell me one credible artist who is flooding the market like this... I can't think about one credible name either. As said, I think his work is good but the way he is marketing his art is just about short term gain.
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