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Christie's Art Auctions , by ยฎat on Dec 7, 2011 21:59:46 GMT 1, I thought R@t's one was unsigned?
Its signed in spraypaint....
I thought R@t's one was unsigned? Its signed in spraypaint.... |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by des77 on Dec 7, 2011 22:14:43 GMT 1, I thought R@t's one was unsigned? Its signed in spraypaint....
hand finished and signed are different things
I thought R@t's one was unsigned? Its signed in spraypaint.... hand finished and signed are different things |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Coach on Dec 7, 2011 23:23:15 GMT 1, Its signed in spraypaint.... hand finished and signed are different things
Yes, but if Banksy writes Banksy in spray paint accoss it, then it's signed in spray paint isn't it?
Its signed in spraypaint.... hand finished and signed are different things Yes, but if Banksy writes Banksy in spray paint accoss it, then it's signed in spray paint isn't it? |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by dkla on Dec 7, 2011 23:26:00 GMT 1, hand finished and signed are different things Yes, but if Banksy writes Banksy in spray paint accoss it, then it's signed in spray paint isn't it?
Yes, of course. Why wouldn't it be? (I know you agree) Doesn't matter if he uses spraypaint or a pencil.
hand finished and signed are different things Yes, but if Banksy writes Banksy in spray paint accoss it, then it's signed in spray paint isn't it? Yes, of course. Why wouldn't it be? (I know you agree) Doesn't matter if he uses spraypaint or a pencil. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 0:55:03 GMT 1, the provenance however will state it as unsigned (apologies R@ts, yours is still delicious)
Silvermyn - not sure who you would use for restoration, but ยฃ1K is very extravagant - I would put restoration down at far less then ยฃ1k, perhaps ยฃ200-300.
So all told I would say just under ยฃ11K to get a minty fresh, signed, handpainted, unique Rude Copper - yeah thats a great price in my eyes
the provenance however will state it as unsigned (apologies R@ts, yours is still delicious)
Silvermyn - not sure who you would use for restoration, but ยฃ1K is very extravagant - I would put restoration down at far less then ยฃ1k, perhaps ยฃ200-300.
So all told I would say just under ยฃ11K to get a minty fresh, signed, handpainted, unique Rude Copper - yeah thats a great price in my eyes
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Christie's Art Auctions , by johnnyh on Dec 8, 2011 8:24:56 GMT 1, Unfair on Rat I think this. He is selling his piece at what he thinks which is fair enough and some one can do a deal with him if they want.
This one is a different piece in my book. signed and with some damage but a good estimate. However it is only that and as we all know it can go unsold or way over the estimate price. Remember 16K for a CND literally about 6 weeks ago. That was Bonhams but similar crowd so think need to wait and see before comparing with Rats.
He is asking a lot but that is his choice
Unfair on Rat I think this. He is selling his piece at what he thinks which is fair enough and some one can do a deal with him if they want.
This one is a different piece in my book. signed and with some damage but a good estimate. However it is only that and as we all know it can go unsold or way over the estimate price. Remember 16K for a CND literally about 6 weeks ago. That was Bonhams but similar crowd so think need to wait and see before comparing with Rats.
He is asking a lot but that is his choice
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Christie's Art Auctions , by des77 on Dec 8, 2011 8:30:39 GMT 1, Remember 16K for a CND literally about 6 weeks ago. That was Bonhams ...
really ?
Remember 16K for a CND literally about 6 weeks ago. That was Bonhams ... really ? |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by des77 on Dec 8, 2011 8:40:24 GMT 1, Yes, but if Banksy writes Banksy in spray paint accoss it, then it's signed in spray paint isn't it? Yes, of course. Why wouldn't it be? (I know you agree) Doesn't matter if he uses spraypaint or a pencil.
well for one he doesnt write his whole name, plus some a were sold signed and some unsigned. Contact PC and see if it counts as the signed edition... I bet they say no.
Yes, but if Banksy writes Banksy in spray paint accoss it, then it's signed in spray paint isn't it? Yes, of course. Why wouldn't it be? (I know you agree) Doesn't matter if he uses spraypaint or a pencil. well for one he doesnt write his whole name, plus some a were sold signed and some unsigned. Contact PC and see if it counts as the signed edition... I bet they say no. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Harveyn on Dec 8, 2011 10:16:51 GMT 1, I agree with JV. ยฃ10Kยฃ11K for a signed, hand sprayed RC is a steal IMO.
You cannot put a price on R@ts RC based on one sale in one auction. If that was true then what price is a signed CND? That said as these are rare and hardly come up for sale (signed or unsigned) its hard to judge the current value.
If R@ts RC was mine (and I wish it was) I would not sell this anywhere near as low as ยฃ11k. These rarely come up for sale and not many Banksy prints are hand finished.
I agree with JV. ยฃ10Kยฃ11K for a signed, hand sprayed RC is a steal IMO.
You cannot put a price on R@ts RC based on one sale in one auction. If that was true then what price is a signed CND? That said as these are rare and hardly come up for sale (signed or unsigned) its hard to judge the current value.
If R@ts RC was mine (and I wish it was) I would not sell this anywhere near as low as ยฃ11k. These rarely come up for sale and not many Banksy prints are hand finished.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by silvermyn on Dec 8, 2011 14:49:03 GMT 1, the provenance however will state it as unsigned (apologies R@ts, yours is still delicious) Silvermyn - not sure who you would use for restoration, but ยฃ1K is very extravagant - I would put restoration down at far less then ยฃ1k, perhaps ยฃ200-300. So all told I would say just under ยฃ11K to get a minty fresh, signed, handpainted, unique Rude Copper - yeah thats a great price in my eyes
You're probably right on the restoration. I had some conservation work done to the back of a Faile OG on paper a couple of years ago, after it was almost pierced by a pen. They used liquid paper which I'd imagine would be required for the back of this RC. Mine had a tiny dent but that set me back ยฃ70 plus VAT! Maybe repairing all the corners on this RC and a press to take out creases could cost as little as a few hundred quid. Personally, I'd only give this print to someone really reputable who's properly insured and that will cost more than it otherwise might.
On the valuation aspect for this damaged but signed and handfinished RC I'd say the market has already spoken. It's only worth ยฃ8k  Restored it may be worth ยฃ11k but then would somebody pay that much for a print that's been restored? I suppose that we won't know for sure until it happens but I know how I felt about my Fail OG on paper before and after the "accident" and that was after only a miniscule repair job.
the provenance however will state it as unsigned (apologies R@ts, yours is still delicious) Silvermyn - not sure who you would use for restoration, but ยฃ1K is very extravagant - I would put restoration down at far less then ยฃ1k, perhaps ยฃ200-300. So all told I would say just under ยฃ11K to get a minty fresh, signed, handpainted, unique Rude Copper - yeah thats a great price in my eyes You're probably right on the restoration. I had some conservation work done to the back of a Faile OG on paper a couple of years ago, after it was almost pierced by a pen. They used liquid paper which I'd imagine would be required for the back of this RC. Mine had a tiny dent but that set me back ยฃ70 plus VAT! Maybe repairing all the corners on this RC and a press to take out creases could cost as little as a few hundred quid. Personally, I'd only give this print to someone really reputable who's properly insured and that will cost more than it otherwise might. On the valuation aspect for this damaged but signed and handfinished RC I'd say the market has already spoken. It's only worth ยฃ8k Restored it may be worth ยฃ11k but then would somebody pay that much for a print that's been restored? I suppose that we won't know for sure until it happens but I know how I felt about my Fail OG on paper before and after the "accident" and that was after only a miniscule repair job. |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Deleted on Dec 8, 2011 17:51:24 GMT 1, the market spoke in Feb 2009 at Dreweatts Urban Art auction - when another handsprayed signed Rude Copper sold for just under ยฃ13k (inc of buyers premium).
I am sure who ever bought it isnt thinking they overpaid for it either.
the market spoke in Feb 2009 at Dreweatts Urban Art auction - when another handsprayed signed Rude Copper sold for just under ยฃ13k (inc of buyers premium).
I am sure who ever bought it isnt thinking they overpaid for it either.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Brushstrokes 75 on Dec 8, 2011 18:26:40 GMT 1, The thing is that unless your print is torn in half.
I don't know how good is your restorer but you won't see a dent after restoration with a really good restorer. Nobody except yourself will now if the print has been restored or not.... Auction houses rarerly disclose restoration anyway.
So after being restored & properly framed you won't see any difference. I will add up that auction houses rarely took prints out of the frame for inspection either............
The thing is that unless your print is torn in half.
I don't know how good is your restorer but you won't see a dent after restoration with a really good restorer. Nobody except yourself will now if the print has been restored or not.... Auction houses rarerly disclose restoration anyway.
So after being restored & properly framed you won't see any difference. I will add up that auction houses rarely took prints out of the frame for inspection either............
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Christie's Art Auctions , by silvermyn on Dec 8, 2011 20:27:14 GMT 1, the market spoke in Feb 2009 at Dreweatts Urban Art auction - when another handsprayed signed Rude Copper sold for just under ยฃ13k (inc of buyers premium). I am sure who ever bought it isnt thinking they overpaid for it either.
Sorry but I don't get your point JV
Are you saying that the one in 2009 and this one were both just extraordinarily great buys? Would that be based on a comparison with other actual (higher) sales results or just what you feel they should be fetching...?
I'd say from what you've pointed out that the low teens seem to be the going rate for the signed, handsprayed RC regardless of where you or I think that it should be priced 
the market spoke in Feb 2009 at Dreweatts Urban Art auction - when another handsprayed signed Rude Copper sold for just under ยฃ13k (inc of buyers premium). I am sure who ever bought it isnt thinking they overpaid for it either. Sorry but I don't get your point JV Are you saying that the one in 2009 and this one were both just extraordinarily great buys? Would that be based on a comparison with other actual (higher) sales results or just what you feel they should be fetching...? I'd say from what you've pointed out that the low teens seem to be the going rate for the signed, handsprayed RC regardless of where you or I think that it should be priced |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by balibob on Jan 20, 2012 13:07:15 GMT 1, Some nice pieces but an awful lot of tosh up at incredible prices.
Some nice pieces but an awful lot of tosh up at incredible prices.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by AFR1KA on Jan 20, 2012 19:52:48 GMT 1, That Banksy is a beauty one of my all time favorites.
That Banksy is a beauty one of my all time favorites.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Pattycakes on Jan 21, 2012 18:02:51 GMT 1, I really want the Matthew Day Jackson
I really want the Matthew Day Jackson
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Christie's Art Auctions , by iamzero on Jan 21, 2012 18:59:25 GMT 1, How do you you put a price on a piece of work that is essentually one egg blanced on top of another broken egg?
You don't even get soldiers with it!
How do you you put a price on a piece of work that is essentually one egg blanced on top of another broken egg?
You don't even get soldiers with it!
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Christie's Art Auctions , by G-Man on Feb 6, 2012 15:24:38 GMT 1, If i had cยฃ200k to spend on a Banksy... I wish..... this would be far down the list
If i had cยฃ200k to spend on a Banksy... I wish..... this would be far down the list
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Christie's Art Auctions , by fairplay1974 on Feb 6, 2012 15:40:29 GMT 1, Some nice pieces but an awful lot of tosh up at incredible prices.
+1
Some nice pieces but an awful lot of tosh up at incredible prices. +1 |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by lee3 on Feb 15, 2012 17:58:53 GMT 1, I have to wonder if Banksy collected more from artist resale rights on that auction than he did primary sale less than 6 years ago.
I have to wonder if Banksy collected more from artist resale rights on that auction than he did primary sale less than 6 years ago.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by AFR1KA on Feb 15, 2012 18:41:09 GMT 1, someone is very happy today, that piece is amazing
someone is very happy today, that piece is amazing
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Christie's Art Auctions , by tsteve on Feb 15, 2012 20:09:34 GMT 1, If i had cยฃ200k to spend on a Banksy... I wish..... this would be far down the list
If i had cยฃ200k to spend on a Banksy... I wish..... this would be far down the list |
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Christie's Art Auctions , by daveart on Apr 15, 2012 15:07:34 GMT 1, Surprised this hasn't received some attention yet.
Christies has a number of Banksy prints at auction on April 19th .. including the LA Set of six prints.
Surprised this hasn't received some attention yet.
Christies has a number of Banksy prints at auction on April 19th .. including the LA Set of six prints.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by chaturz on Apr 15, 2012 15:30:59 GMT 1, oh if only I had that kind of silly dosh, I would be all over that LA set of 6.
oh if only I had that kind of silly dosh, I would be all over that LA set of 6.
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Deleted on Apr 15, 2012 16:39:34 GMT 1, Handling creases at the edges of the LA Set...!?!?
Handling creases at the edges of the LA Set...!?!?
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Brushstrokes 75 on Apr 15, 2012 17:22:03 GMT 1, Wouldn't think that the Golf sale would be so cheap!
I have a couple lots in this sale, hope it does well!
Wouldn't think that the Golf sale would be so cheap!
I have a couple lots in this sale, hope it does well!
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Christie's Art Auctions , by Sacked... on Apr 15, 2012 19:53:19 GMT 1, Wouldn't think that the Golf sale would be so cheap! I have a couple lots in this sale, hope it does well!
So do i,fingers crossed for you Zim.
Wouldn't think that the Golf sale would be so cheap! I have a couple lots in this sale, hope it does well! So do i,fingers crossed for you Zim. |
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Restored it may be worth ยฃ11k but then would somebody pay that much for a print that's been restored? I suppose that we won't know for sure until it happens but I know how I felt about my Fail OG on paper before and after the "accident" and that was after only a miniscule repair job.
