pollz66
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by pollz66 on Oct 14, 2021 21:17:34 GMT 1, Artist re-sale rights for this piece would have been 0.25%, but this would have actually been capped at ยฃ12k. And? Still cashed in. Still a lot of money that would help a lot of homeless people around the world. Why is he using that right if he's against capitalism? A bit greedy, as he clearly don't need any more money owning a castle in L.A. Don't know about him owning a castle (you might want to double check your source on that one). But I do know he bought a boat and used it to rescue refugees in the Mediterranean.
Artist re-sale rights for this piece would have been 0.25%, but this would have actually been capped at ยฃ12k. And? Still cashed in. Still a lot of money that would help a lot of homeless people around the world. Why is he using that right if he's against capitalism? A bit greedy, as he clearly don't need any more money owning a castle in L.A. Don't know about him owning a castle (you might want to double check your source on that one). But I do know he bought a boat and used it to rescue refugees in the Mediterranean.
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by Winchester on Oct 14, 2021 21:21:39 GMT 1, And? Still cashed in. Still a lot of money that would help a lot of homeless people around the world. Why is he using that right if he's against capitalism? A bit greedy, as he clearly don't need any more money owning a castle in L.A. Don't know about him owning a castle (you might want to double check your source on that one). But I do know he bought a boat and used it to rescue refugees in the Mediterranean.
OH yh how often did this boat rescue people? When was the last time it went out on sea?
His castle is called wolf's lair. I can get you the address if you want
And? Still cashed in. Still a lot of money that would help a lot of homeless people around the world. Why is he using that right if he's against capitalism? A bit greedy, as he clearly don't need any more money owning a castle in L.A. Don't know about him owning a castle (you might want to double check your source on that one). But I do know he bought a boat and used it to rescue refugees in the Mediterranean. OH yh how often did this boat rescue people? When was the last time it went out on sea? His castle is called wolf's lair. I can get you the address if you want
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by buffin on Oct 14, 2021 21:26:49 GMT 1, Don't know about him owning a castle (you might want to double check your source on that one). But I do know he bought a boat and used it to rescue refugees in the Mediterranean. OH yh how often did this boat rescue people? When was the last time it went out on sea? His castle is called wolf's lair. I can get you the address if you want
So was it not worth it rescuing one life?
What was your estimate on the auction price again? I think weโre done with your expertise.
Don't know about him owning a castle (you might want to double check your source on that one). But I do know he bought a boat and used it to rescue refugees in the Mediterranean. OH yh how often did this boat rescue people? When was the last time it went out on sea? His castle is called wolf's lair. I can get you the address if you want So was it not worth it rescuing one life? What was your estimate on the auction price again? I think weโre done with your expertise.
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 21:26:55 GMT 1, Don't know about him owning a castle (you might want to double check your source on that one). But I do know he bought a boat and used it to rescue refugees in the Mediterranean. OH yh how often did this boat rescue people? When was the last time it went out on sea? His castle is called wolf's lair. I can get you the address if you want
maybe do that after you've paid Pigeon his money?
one step at a time
Don't know about him owning a castle (you might want to double check your source on that one). But I do know he bought a boat and used it to rescue refugees in the Mediterranean. OH yh how often did this boat rescue people? When was the last time it went out on sea? His castle is called wolf's lair. I can get you the address if you want maybe do that after you've paid Pigeon his money? one step at a time
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mojo
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by mojo on Oct 14, 2021 21:28:37 GMT 1, LINK - GUARDIAN
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by Winchester on Oct 14, 2021 21:31:49 GMT 1, OH yh how often did this boat rescue people? When was the last time it went out on sea? His castle is called wolf's lair. I can get you the address if you want maybe do that after you've paid Pigeon his money? one step at a time
Still waiting for pigeons address and name ๐
Edit : oh and the proof that I agreed with his stupid deal ๐
OH yh how often did this boat rescue people? When was the last time it went out on sea? His castle is called wolf's lair. I can get you the address if you want maybe do that after you've paid Pigeon his money? one step at a time Still waiting for pigeons address and name ๐ Edit : oh and the proof that I agreed with his stupid deal ๐
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by pjc on Oct 14, 2021 22:10:28 GMT 1,
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by trowel on Oct 14, 2021 22:34:36 GMT 1, Don't know about him owning a castle (you might want to double check your source on that one). But I do know he bought a boat and used it to rescue refugees in the Mediterranean. OH yh how often did this boat rescue people? When was the last time it went out on sea? His castle is called wolf's lair. I can get you the address if you want Is that the old rumour that Moby sold his house to Banksy? Or anything more concrete?
Don't know about him owning a castle (you might want to double check your source on that one). But I do know he bought a boat and used it to rescue refugees in the Mediterranean. OH yh how often did this boat rescue people? When was the last time it went out on sea? His castle is called wolf's lair. I can get you the address if you want Is that the old rumour that Moby sold his house to Banksy? Or anything more concrete?
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by Majestic on Oct 14, 2021 22:36:24 GMT 1, Incredible result! ๐
Incredible result! ๐
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Graham H
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by Graham H on Oct 14, 2021 23:25:44 GMT 1, Bravo ...If that was an intended pun...
OH yh how often did this boat rescue people? When was the last time it went out on sea? His castle is called wolf's lair. I can get you the address if you want Is that the old rumour that Moby sold his house to Banksy? Or anything more concrete?
Bravo ...If that was an intended pun... OH yh how often did this boat rescue people? When was the last time it went out on sea? His castle is called wolf's lair. I can get you the address if you want Is that the old rumour that Moby sold his house to Banksy? Or anything more concrete?
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cest
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by cest on Oct 15, 2021 0:10:46 GMT 1, I guess prints will skyrocket again
I guess prints will skyrocket again
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by aumi on Oct 15, 2021 0:20:39 GMT 1, I guess prints will skyrocket again Attention is definitely here again
I guess prints will skyrocket again Attention is definitely here again
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by Forbidden Love on Oct 15, 2021 1:27:42 GMT 1, I think it will be passed, I mean how many Banksy pieces has been sold over 4 million since may? no chance
Yea. Just like to quote this. ๐ ๐
I think it will be passed, I mean how many Banksy pieces has been sold over 4 million since may? no chance Yea. Just like to quote this. ๐ ๐
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by nugget on Oct 15, 2021 12:12:16 GMT 1, maybe do that after you've paid Pigeon his money? one step at a time Or pay him in JPS and Pzy works? 700 originals may cover it ? Thats not a bad deal, as long as they were blank canvas's that could be sold on... The original artwork might devalue them otherwise.
maybe do that after you've paid Pigeon his money? one step at a time Or pay him in JPS and Pzy works? 700 originals may cover it ? Thats not a bad deal, as long as they were blank canvas's that could be sold on... The original artwork might devalue them otherwise.
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by ricardob on Oct 15, 2021 14:13:02 GMT 1,
I will give him a fiver for it
I will give him a fiver for it
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by Pawel on Oct 15, 2021 14:26:16 GMT 1,
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by kfroms on Oct 15, 2021 17:57:27 GMT 1, Meanwhile, at Sotheby's Day Auction, 2 Banksy canvasses were passed and one hammered below the low estimate.
Meanwhile, at Sotheby's Day Auction, 2 Banksy canvasses were passed and one hammered below the low estimate.
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by kfroms on Oct 15, 2021 18:05:03 GMT 1, That said it was also below the low estimate of 2.6m GBP and no where near the upper estimate of 3.5m GBP Everything is relative.
That said it was also below the low estimate of 2.6m GBP and no where near the upper estimate of 3.5m GBP Everything is relative.
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by JW on Oct 15, 2021 18:10:12 GMT 1, Meanwhile, at Sotheby's Day Auction, 2 Banksy canvasses were passed and one hammered below the low estimate. 2 of the least popular images out there passed, being Lenin and Bad Meaning Good... Keep it Real was an edition of 15, and tiny. With fees, went middle of the estimated range.
Everything is relative right?
Meanwhile, at Sotheby's Day Auction, 2 Banksy canvasses were passed and one hammered below the low estimate. 2 of the least popular images out there passed, being Lenin and Bad Meaning Good... Keep it Real was an edition of 15, and tiny. With fees, went middle of the estimated range. Everything is relative right?
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by kfroms on Oct 15, 2021 18:14:27 GMT 1, i love the usual arguments when something passes or is not doing well - its either the ever so popular 'condition' or 'unpopular image'
Anyway, everything is relative
i love the usual arguments when something passes or is not doing well - its either the ever so popular 'condition' or 'unpopular image'
Anyway, everything is relative
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by Beanlaser on Oct 15, 2021 19:24:14 GMT 1, ยฃ16million Not a penny less
Nice
ยฃ16million Not a penny less Nice
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by Father of Boys on Oct 16, 2021 2:02:19 GMT 1, Where are they getting the 40k number pre-shredded? Irony in this is that he seemed to want 80k after but would have gotten way more without shredding. True face palm.....
Where are they getting the 40k number pre-shredded? Irony in this is that he seemed to want 80k after but would have gotten way more without shredding. True face palm.....
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by Lord Lucas Roham on Oct 16, 2021 7:58:37 GMT 1, Where are they getting the 40k number pre-shredded? Irony in this is that he seemed to want 80k after but would have gotten way more without shredding. True face palm.....
Something stinks about this story.
Where are they getting the 40k number pre-shredded? Irony in this is that he seemed to want 80k after but would have gotten way more without shredding. True face palm..... Something stinks about this story.
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by met on Oct 16, 2021 8:11:23 GMT 1,
Previously discussed here** in the context of another 8 October 2018 article, published in Metro (part of DMG Media, as with Daily Mail).
__________
What's regrettable about this kind of business advertisement, which masquerades as news, is the number of readers that will accept it unquestioningly. They'll take the information therein at face value.
Psychologically, this does hold some interest:
The deceit is often effective, in part because readers want the story to be genuine.
We all like to think we're smart. So when the finger is pointed at someone else, somebody who appears to have acted stupidly, we get a sense of being more intelligent by comparison. The ego massage immediately makes us feel better about ourselves. And the manipulator's hope is that we be disinclined to question the narrative fed to us in the relevant article.
__________
In this instance, we've got two images of a counterfeit Girl with Balloon and shredder-effect slicing. The photos are low-res, but still detailed enough to show the print is fake. It could well be one of the countless churned out by that intellectual property thief and parasite, The West Country Prince.
References in the 2018 articles to the print having a value of ยฃ40,000 are therefore lies, and the black circle in the top photo (suggesting a covered-up edition number) looks like an effort to make the deception more convincing.
One irony is clear:
Many of the articles' readers will be duped by the print's owner, i.e. duped by the very person they'll mistakenly believe to be a fool for having sliced up a genuine Banksy.
__________
Now, who could be the actual owner of the print?
A question that always needs asking is, Cui bono? And more specifically here, Who benefits from this fabricated story and press attention?
The answer seems straightforward to me: Ian Syer and/or Joe Syer from MyArtBroker. They presumably contacted DMG Media in the first place to offer their "scoop".
But query what's been achieved:
Free advertising for MyArtBroker? Definitely. Entertaining story? Perhaps. But also dishonest, and integrity-compromising. That's unfortunate for any business wishing to be seen as reputable.
Whenever art dealers are identified as stooping to this type of shenanigan, a level of trust is lost. I also find it difficult to take those people seriously. It's simpler to just dismiss them as clowns.
Previously discussed here ** in the context of another 8 October 2018 article, published in Metro (part of DMG Media, as with Daily Mail). __________ What's regrettable about this kind of business advertisement, which masquerades as news, is the number of readers that will accept it unquestioningly. They'll take the information therein at face value. Psychologically, this does hold some interest: The deceit is often effective, in part because readers want the story to be genuine. We all like to think we're smart. So when the finger is pointed at someone else, somebody who appears to have acted stupidly, we get a sense of being more intelligent by comparison. The ego massage immediately makes us feel better about ourselves. And the manipulator's hope is that we be disinclined to question the narrative fed to us in the relevant article. __________ In this instance, we've got two images of a counterfeit Girl with Balloon and shredder-effect slicing. The photos are low-res, but still detailed enough to show the print is fake. It could well be one of the countless churned out by that intellectual property thief and parasite, The West Country Prince. References in the 2018 articles to the print having a value of ยฃ40,000 are therefore lies, and the black circle in the top photo (suggesting a covered-up edition number) looks like an effort to make the deception more convincing. One irony is clear: Many of the articles' readers will be duped by the print's owner, i.e. duped by the very person they'll mistakenly believe to be a fool for having sliced up a genuine Ban ksy. __________ Now, who could be the actual owner of the print? A question that always needs asking is, Cui bono? And more specifically here, Who benefits from this fabricated story and press attention?The answer seems straightforward to me: Ian Syer and/or Joe Syer from MyArtBroker. They presumably contacted DMG Media in the first place to offer their "scoop". But query what's been achieved: Free advertising for MyArtBroker? Definitely. Entertaining story? Perhaps. But also dishonest, and integrity-compromising. That's unfortunate for any business wishing to be seen as reputable. Whenever art dealers are identified as stooping to this type of shenanigan, a level of trust is lost. I also find it difficult to take those people seriously. It's simpler to just dismiss them as clowns.
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by Sixty Bells on Oct 16, 2021 8:24:31 GMT 1, Thanks for clearing that one up met!
Thanks for clearing that one up met!
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pollz66
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by pollz66 on Oct 16, 2021 10:49:23 GMT 1, That said it was also below the low estimate of 2.6m GBP and no where near the upper estimate of 3.5m GBP Everything is relative. Not sure I follow your reasoning on this, but I'm very willing to be educated. From a market position, the Girl With Balloon diptych was bought at ยฃ3,042, 500 which is pretty much bang in the middle of the Christie's ยฃ2.6-ยฃ3.5m estimate.
That said it was also below the low estimate of 2.6m GBP and no where near the upper estimate of 3.5m GBP Everything is relative. Not sure I follow your reasoning on this, but I'm very willing to be educated. From a market position, the Girl With Balloon diptych was bought at ยฃ3,042, 500 which is pretty much bang in the middle of the Christie's ยฃ2.6-ยฃ3.5m estimate.
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kfroms
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by kfroms on Oct 16, 2021 11:47:10 GMT 1, That said it was also below the low estimate of 2.6m GBP and no where near the upper estimate of 3.5m GBP Everything is relative. Not sure I follow your reasoning on this, but I'm very willing to be educated.ย From a market position, the Girl With Balloon diptych was bought at ยฃ3,042, 500 which is pretty much bang in the middle of the Christie's ยฃ2.6-ยฃ3.5m estimate.
Estimates are always the hammer price. A final price of just over 3m is a hammer of around 2,3 or so.
That said it was also below the low estimate of 2.6m GBP and no where near the upper estimate of 3.5m GBP Everything is relative. Not sure I follow your reasoning on this, but I'm very willing to be educated.ย From a market position, the Girl With Balloon diptych was bought at ยฃ3,042, 500 which is pretty much bang in the middle of the Christie's ยฃ2.6-ยฃ3.5m estimate. Estimates are always the hammer price. A final price of just over 3m is a hammer of around 2,3 or so.
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pollz66
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How Much Is Shredded Girl With Balloon Worth Now?, by pollz66 on Oct 18, 2021 12:34:28 GMT 1, Not sure I follow your reasoning on this, but I'm very willing to be educated. From a market position, the Girl With Balloon diptych was bought at ยฃ3,042, 500 which is pretty much bang in the middle of the Christie's ยฃ2.6-ยฃ3.5m estimate. Estimates are always the hammer price. A final price of just over 3m is a hammer of around 2,3 or so. You're simply highlighting the psychology of auctions: Hammer V Sale. The final price paid is all anyone is interested in.
Not sure I follow your reasoning on this, but I'm very willing to be educated. From a market position, the Girl With Balloon diptych was bought at ยฃ3,042, 500 which is pretty much bang in the middle of the Christie's ยฃ2.6-ยฃ3.5m estimate. Estimates are always the hammer price. A final price of just over 3m is a hammer of around 2,3 or so. You're simply highlighting the psychology of auctions: Hammer V Sale. The final price paid is all anyone is interested in.
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