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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 8:48:38 GMT 1, Curious to see how much these smaller canvases go for with the originals going for a ton..
Also this and others like paranoid pictures are editions of 25
Curious to see how much these smaller canvases go for with the originals going for a ton..
Also this and others like paranoid pictures are editions of 25
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Graham H on Oct 16, 2020 9:03:03 GMT 1, Bearing in mind the reserve is set at less than some unsigned prints, it was hardly a challenge.. 
Bearing in mind the reserve is set at less than some unsigned prints, it was hardly a challenge.. |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by lv90210 on Oct 16, 2020 9:17:26 GMT 1, Bearing in mind the reserve is set at less than some unsigned prints, it was hardly a challenge..
Bearing in mind the reserve is set at less than some unsigned prints, it was hardly a challenge.. Well that escalated quickly. |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Graham H on Oct 16, 2020 9:28:22 GMT 1, Did it just jump £70k.. or did i mis read what the bidding was at when last i looked??
Bearing in mind the reserve is set at less than some unsigned prints, it was hardly a challenge.. Well that escalated quickly.
Did it just jump £70k.. or did i mis read what the bidding was at when last i looked?? Bearing in mind the reserve is set at less than some unsigned prints, it was hardly a challenge.. Well that escalated quickly. |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Winter on Oct 16, 2020 9:32:23 GMT 1, Tiny piece, I saw it last week
Tiny piece, I saw it last week
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by lv90210 on Oct 16, 2020 9:38:23 GMT 1, Did it just jump £70k.. or did i mis read what the bidding was at when last i looked?? Well that escalated quickly.
Did it just jump £70k.. or did i mis read what the bidding was at when last i looked?? Well that escalated quickly. its ok, you've been to specsavers. |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Woodey1001 on Oct 16, 2020 9:58:41 GMT 1, I wouldn't buy this on principle. It demonstrates the established and accepted manipulation of the market for multiples.
i.e artists releases edition in 2003.
Saying falsly it's a sell out in seconds etc.
4years later sells privately no4 of the edition. At no doubt a big a markup later on as prices progress with wider manipulation from other 'sell out' (not sell out) editions and shows.
It wasn't a sellout edition, it never is. Most are held back.
Multiples market is for mugs!
Rant over. Easy pass for me.
I wouldn't buy this on principle. It demonstrates the established and accepted manipulation of the market for multiples.
i.e artists releases edition in 2003.
Saying falsly it's a sell out in seconds etc.
4years later sells privately no4 of the edition. At no doubt a big a markup later on as prices progress with wider manipulation from other 'sell out' (not sell out) editions and shows.
It wasn't a sellout edition, it never is. Most are held back.
Multiples market is for mugs!
Rant over. Easy pass for me.
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by gd79 on Oct 16, 2020 10:03:43 GMT 1, Let's be honest, it's a pretty weak image
Won't stop it though
Let's be honest, it's a pretty weak image
Won't stop it though
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Woodey1001 on Oct 16, 2020 10:03:46 GMT 1, I wouldn't buy this on principle. It demonstrates the established and accepted manipulation of the market for multiples. i.e artists releases edition in 2003. Saying falsly it's a sell out in seconds etc. 4years later sells privately no4 of the edition. At no doubt a big a markup later on as prices progress with wider manipulation from other 'sell out' (not sell out) editions and shows. It wasn't a sellout edition, it never is. Most are held back. Multiples market is for mugs! Rant over. Easy pass for me. You are one of the few. I think this tops £500k imo
Again fake demand,someone playing the market. Easy pass for all the speculation.. it's like a pyramid scheme.
I wouldn't buy this on principle. It demonstrates the established and accepted manipulation of the market for multiples. i.e artists releases edition in 2003. Saying falsly it's a sell out in seconds etc. 4years later sells privately no4 of the edition. At no doubt a big a markup later on as prices progress with wider manipulation from other 'sell out' (not sell out) editions and shows. It wasn't a sellout edition, it never is. Most are held back. Multiples market is for mugs! Rant over. Easy pass for me. You are one of the few. I think this tops £500k imo Again fake demand,someone playing the market. Easy pass for all the speculation.. it's like a pyramid scheme. |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Graham H on Oct 16, 2020 10:06:45 GMT 1, Crikey.. so much to take in with that.. Have I missed something but isnt this the way nearly all ' multiples' are sold and artists progress their prices over time?
Ive no skin in this game, but is there proof that back in 2003 this was advised as being sold out and that they all werent sold out.. just wondering.. as it seems a strange rant to make specifically on this one piece..
im sure there are many people on here who were around at the time these were released can give chapter and verse on how and when and where these were all sold.. as the knowledge on here never ceases to amaze.. so will watch with interest
I wouldn't buy this on principle. It demonstrates the established and accepted manipulation of the market for multiples. i.e artists releases edition in 2003. Saying falsly it's a sell out in seconds etc. 4years later sells privately no4 of the edition. At no doubt a big a markup later on as prices progress with wider manipulation from other 'sell out' (not sell out) editions and shows. It wasn't a sellout edition, it never is. Most are held back. Multiples market is for mugs! Rant over. Easy pass for me.
Crikey.. so much to take in with that.. Have I missed something but isnt this the way nearly all ' multiples' are sold and artists progress their prices over time? Ive no skin in this game, but is there proof that back in 2003 this was advised as being sold out and that they all werent sold out.. just wondering.. as it seems a strange rant to make specifically on this one piece.. im sure there are many people on here who were around at the time these were released can give chapter and verse on how and when and where these were all sold.. as the knowledge on here never ceases to amaze.. so will watch with interest I wouldn't buy this on principle. It demonstrates the established and accepted manipulation of the market for multiples. i.e artists releases edition in 2003. Saying falsly it's a sell out in seconds etc. 4years later sells privately no4 of the edition. At no doubt a big a markup later on as prices progress with wider manipulation from other 'sell out' (not sell out) editions and shows. It wasn't a sellout edition, it never is. Most are held back. Multiples market is for mugs! Rant over. Easy pass for me. |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Woodey1001 on Oct 16, 2020 10:14:26 GMT 1, Crikey.. so much to take in with that.. Have I missed something but isnt this the way nearly all ' multiples' are sold and artists progress their prices over time? Ive no skin in this game, but is there proof that back in 2003 this was advised as being sold out and that they all werent sold out.. just wondering.. as it seems a strange rant to make specifically on this one piece.. im sure there are many people on here who were around at the time these were released can give chapter and verse on how and when and where these were all sold.. as the knowledge on here never ceases to amaze.. so will watch with interest I wouldn't buy this on principle. It demonstrates the established and accepted manipulation of the market for multiples. i.e artists releases edition in 2003. Saying falsly it's a sell out in seconds etc. 4years later sells privately no4 of the edition. At no doubt a big a markup later on as prices progress with wider manipulation from other 'sell out' (not sell out) editions and shows. It wasn't a sellout edition, it never is. Most are held back. Multiples market is for mugs! Rant over. Easy pass for me.
You think this edition took over 4years to sell out? 🤔.
Crikey.. so much to take in with that.. Have I missed something but isnt this the way nearly all ' multiples' are sold and artists progress their prices over time? Ive no skin in this game, but is there proof that back in 2003 this was advised as being sold out and that they all werent sold out.. just wondering.. as it seems a strange rant to make specifically on this one piece.. im sure there are many people on here who were around at the time these were released can give chapter and verse on how and when and where these were all sold.. as the knowledge on here never ceases to amaze.. so will watch with interest I wouldn't buy this on principle. It demonstrates the established and accepted manipulation of the market for multiples. i.e artists releases edition in 2003. Saying falsly it's a sell out in seconds etc. 4years later sells privately no4 of the edition. At no doubt a big a markup later on as prices progress with wider manipulation from other 'sell out' (not sell out) editions and shows. It wasn't a sellout edition, it never is. Most are held back. Multiples market is for mugs! Rant over. Easy pass for me. You think this edition took over 4years to sell out? 🤔. |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Graham H on Oct 16, 2020 10:19:14 GMT 1, Thats why I asked.
If the artist wanted to re do the image in different background, back to front, upside down, different size and any other such way of making more money from this image it is simple for him to do .. which he has done..so not sure why this would make you feel so challenged
Crikey.. so much to take in with that.. Have I missed something but isnt this the way nearly all ' multiples' are sold and artists progress their prices over time? Ive no skin in this game, but is there proof that back in 2003 this was advised as being sold out and that they all werent sold out.. just wondering.. as it seems a strange rant to make specifically on this one piece.. im sure there are many people on here who were around at the time these were released can give chapter and verse on how and when and where these were all sold.. as the knowledge on here never ceases to amaze.. so will watch with interest You think this edition took over 4years to sell out? 🤔.
Thats why I asked. If the artist wanted to re do the image in different background, back to front, upside down, different size and any other such way of making more money from this image it is simple for him to do .. which he has done..so not sure why this would make you feel so challenged Crikey.. so much to take in with that.. Have I missed something but isnt this the way nearly all ' multiples' are sold and artists progress their prices over time? Ive no skin in this game, but is there proof that back in 2003 this was advised as being sold out and that they all werent sold out.. just wondering.. as it seems a strange rant to make specifically on this one piece.. im sure there are many people on here who were around at the time these were released can give chapter and verse on how and when and where these were all sold.. as the knowledge on here never ceases to amaze.. so will watch with interest You think this edition took over 4years to sell out? 🤔. |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 10:26:28 GMT 1, Let's be honest, it's a pretty weak image Won't stop it though
at least that’s what he thinks as it’s on everything he does.
Let's be honest, it's a pretty weak image Won't stop it though I’d say a strong, classic , Banksy image. at least that’s what he thinks as it’s on everything he does. |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 10:29:18 GMT 1, You are one of the few. I think this tops £500k imo Again fake demand,someone playing the market. Easy pass for all the speculation.. it's like a pyramid scheme.
I don’t think you have to fake demand for Banksy at the moment.
You are one of the few. I think this tops £500k imo Again fake demand,someone playing the market. Easy pass for all the speculation.. it's like a pyramid scheme. Have you been living under a rock rock for the last year? I don’t think you have to fake demand for Banksy at the moment. |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Woodey1001 on Oct 16, 2020 10:30:13 GMT 1, Again fake demand,someone playing the market. Easy pass for all the speculation.. it's like a pyramid scheme. Have you been living under a rock rock for the last year? I don’t think you have to fake demand for Banksy at the moment.
Someone is if that goes for £500k
Again fake demand,someone playing the market. Easy pass for all the speculation.. it's like a pyramid scheme. Have you been living under a rock rock for the last year? I don’t think you have to fake demand for Banksy at the moment. Someone is if that goes for £500k |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by tab1 on Oct 16, 2020 10:30:41 GMT 1, Crikey.. so much to take in with that.. Have I missed something but isnt this the way nearly all ' multiples' are sold and artists progress their prices over time? Ive no skin in this game, but is there proof that back in 2003 this was advised as being sold out and that they all werent sold out.. just wondering.. as it seems a strange rant to make specifically on this one piece.. im sure there are many people on here who were around at the time these were released can give chapter and verse on how and when and where these were all sold.. as the knowledge on here never ceases to amaze.. so will watch with interest You think this edition took over 4years to sell out? 🤔.
How most print houses work early on in the career of a new artist ,
Creates hype and still working today with vault sales
Crikey.. so much to take in with that.. Have I missed something but isnt this the way nearly all ' multiples' are sold and artists progress their prices over time? Ive no skin in this game, but is there proof that back in 2003 this was advised as being sold out and that they all werent sold out.. just wondering.. as it seems a strange rant to make specifically on this one piece.. im sure there are many people on here who were around at the time these were released can give chapter and verse on how and when and where these were all sold.. as the knowledge on here never ceases to amaze.. so will watch with interest You think this edition took over 4years to sell out? 🤔. How most print houses work early on in the career of a new artist , Creates hype and still working today with vault sales |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by jB on Oct 16, 2020 13:17:49 GMT 1, Let's be honest, it's a pretty weak image Won't stop it though
Maybe to you it’s weak, but must be near and dear to the artist as uses this same imagery as his blind stamp for over the past decade.
Let's be honest, it's a pretty weak image Won't stop it though Maybe to you it’s weak, but must be near and dear to the artist as uses this same imagery as his blind stamp for over the past decade. |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by isg on Oct 16, 2020 13:44:02 GMT 1, Let's be honest, it's a pretty weak image Won't stop it though Maybe to you it’s weak, but must be near and dear to the artist as uses this same imagery as his blind stamp for over the past decade.
When you visit the banksy . co . uk website, this is the icon on top left of the browser page:
(ergo, the effalump in the room is iconic, literally.)
Let's be honest, it's a pretty weak image Won't stop it though Maybe to you it’s weak, but must be near and dear to the artist as uses this same imagery as his blind stamp for over the past decade. When you visit the banksy . co . uk website, this is the icon on top left of the browser page: (ergo, the effalump in the room is iconic, literally.) |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Arty Farty 15 on Oct 16, 2020 15:20:57 GMT 1, Heavy weaponry is an iconic banksy motif. There is one on each of his recent prints (the blind stamp in the corner) it looks great in person on these prints but is rarely picked up in images of prints
Heavy weaponry is an iconic banksy motif. There is one on each of his recent prints (the blind stamp in the corner) it looks great in person on these prints but is rarely picked up in images of prints
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Woodey1001 on Oct 16, 2020 15:23:21 GMT 1, If you see Banksy as an advertiser, one liner master and marketeer. You can buy this maybe.
It's a bit flat though, it's debatable this is even art. It's a logo.
If you see Banksy as an advertiser, one liner master and marketeer. You can buy this maybe.
It's a bit flat though, it's debatable this is even art. It's a logo.
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Winter on Oct 19, 2020 9:34:24 GMT 1, If you think what prints go for now it’s likely to do ok. Red Banksy tag up the side of these small black and white pieces helps. With the size and the edition this will probably define the starting point of Banksy canvases price-wise.
If you think what prints go for now it’s likely to do ok. Red Banksy tag up the side of these small black and white pieces helps. With the size and the edition this will probably define the starting point of Banksy canvases price-wise.
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by medichead on Oct 19, 2020 9:39:41 GMT 1, I don’t know anything so don’t listen to me, but I have seen it...
...and I think it’s small, boring, unimpressive, unartistic, and the play on words only works on one level.
If this was a Mrs Banksy original, I think we all know how it would be received.
I don’t know anything so don’t listen to me, but I have seen it...
...and I think it’s small, boring, unimpressive, unartistic, and the play on words only works on one level.
If this was a Mrs Banksy original, I think we all know how it would be received.
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by buffin on Oct 19, 2020 9:53:45 GMT 1, I don’t know anything so don’t listen to me, but I have seen it... ...and I think it’s small, boring, unimpressive, unartistic, and the play on words only works on one level. If this was a Mrs Banksy original, I think we all know how it would be received.
If only she had been around 20 odd years ago painting it or variations on the streets. An odd concept now I grant you.
I don’t know anything so don’t listen to me, but I have seen it... ...and I think it’s small, boring, unimpressive, unartistic, and the play on words only works on one level. If this was a Mrs Banksy original, I think we all know how it would be received. If only she had been around 20 odd years ago painting it or variations on the streets. An odd concept now I grant you. |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 10:00:40 GMT 1, If you think what prints go for now it’s likely to do ok. Red Banksy tag up the side of these small black and white pieces helps. With the size and the edition this will probably define the starting point of Banksy canvases price-wise.
If you think what prints go for now it’s likely to do ok. Red Banksy tag up the side of these small black and white pieces helps. With the size and the edition this will probably define the starting point of Banksy canvases price-wise. I’d say Lenin would probably be the starting point? I have never got that one, makes no sense to me at all |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 10:20:31 GMT 1, Really enjoying a £200K+ artwork being dismissed as an "easy pass".
Really enjoying a £200K+ artwork being dismissed as an "easy pass".
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by lv90210 on Oct 19, 2020 10:54:40 GMT 1, Really enjoying a £200K+ artwork being dismissed as an "easy pass".
#dreamers
Really enjoying a £200K+ artwork being dismissed as an "easy pass". I thought that, don't you have to have the £250k in the first place ?? #dreamers |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by Winter on Oct 19, 2020 10:59:29 GMT 1, I don’t know anything so don’t listen to me, but I have seen it... ...and I think it’s small, boring, unimpressive, unartistic, and the play on words only works on one level. If this was a Mrs Banksy original, I think we all know how it would be received.
I don’t know anything so don’t listen to me, but I have seen it... ...and I think it’s small, boring, unimpressive, unartistic, and the play on words only works on one level. If this was a Mrs Banksy original, I think we all know how it would be received. There's no such thing as a Mrs Banksy original |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by medichead on Oct 19, 2020 11:08:59 GMT 1, I don’t know anything so don’t listen to me, but I have seen it... ...and I think it’s small, boring, unimpressive, unartistic, and the play on words only works on one level. If this was a Mrs Banksy original, I think we all know how it would be received. There's no such thing as a Mrs Banksy original
Agreed.
But I’m sure you 100% understand the point I’m trying to make.
And I’m also fairly sure people agree with my original comment, as this work is utterly underwhelming in every sense a piece of art shouldn’t be.
I don’t know anything so don’t listen to me, but I have seen it... ...and I think it’s small, boring, unimpressive, unartistic, and the play on words only works on one level. If this was a Mrs Banksy original, I think we all know how it would be received. There's no such thing as a Mrs Banksy originalAgreed. But I’m sure you 100% understand the point I’m trying to make. And I’m also fairly sure people agree with my original comment, as this work is utterly underwhelming in every sense a piece of art shouldn’t be. |
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Heavy Weaponry @ Sotheby’s Day Auction , by mojo on Oct 19, 2020 13:01:40 GMT 1, I don’t know anything so don’t listen to me, but I have seen it... ...and I think it’s small, boring, unimpressive, unartistic, and the play on words only works on one level. If this was a Mrs Banksy original, I think we all know how it would be received.
Small, boring, unimpressive, unartistic and a play on a more successful artists work just about sums up mrs Banksy, et al.
Thing is once an artist such as Banksy, with 25years worth of successful shows and projects behind them has a rare fully authenticated canvas available at a high end reputable auction house demand is high not because somebody particularly wants a painting of an elephant with a bomb attached but because they are buying into the artists ethos and by doing so they become a custodian of a little piece of art history. It's quite likely it will go into a vault and either be passed down through the buyers family or auctioned again at a later date to upgrade/reinvest in other works by the same artist. Sort of like what happens on here with Peckham Rock beermats only on a much larger scale. 
I don’t know anything so don’t listen to me, but I have seen it... ...and I think it’s small, boring, unimpressive, unartistic, and the play on words only works on one level. If this was a Mrs Banksy original, I think we all know how it would be received. What you mean he (mrs Banksy) hasn't ripped this one off yet? Small, boring, unimpressive, unartistic and a play on a more successful artists work just about sums up mrs Banksy, et al. Thing is once an artist such as Banksy, with 25years worth of successful shows and projects behind them has a rare fully authenticated canvas available at a high end reputable auction house demand is high not because somebody particularly wants a painting of an elephant with a bomb attached but because they are buying into the artists ethos and by doing so they become a custodian of a little piece of art history. It's quite likely it will go into a vault and either be passed down through the buyers family or auctioned again at a later date to upgrade/reinvest in other works by the same artist. Sort of like what happens on here with Peckham Rock beermats only on a much larger scale. |
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