3D Monkey
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by 3D Monkey on Nov 6, 2020 12:36:40 GMT 1, A conspiracy theorist may suggest that this is an ideal way to crash the market: If Banksy decides to consciously cancel any/all his NDAs, those artists to whom were originally commissioned, could just release and plunder (at a fair fair price point).....It would be a coup! If you require any further views, please call my agent! The market had a solid 13 year run! If true the higher the works sell of course the true artist will feel jealousy for not being acknowledged
I would expect that theyโve been paid handsomely. This is more about Banksy scuppering the Market consciously, paving the way for the artist to benefit.
A conspiracy theorist may suggest that this is an ideal way to crash the market: If Banksy decides to consciously cancel any/all his NDAs, those artists to whom were originally commissioned, could just release and plunder (at a fair fair price point).....It would be a coup! If you require any further views, please call my agent! The market had a solid 13 year run! If true the higher the works sell of course the true artist will feel jealousy for not being acknowledged I would expect that theyโve been paid handsomely. This is more about Banksy scuppering the Market consciously, paving the way for the artist to benefit.
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medichead
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by medichead on Nov 6, 2020 12:36:59 GMT 1, Like others have already highlighted, it is of very little significance to the art world who the technician was that executed these paintings.
I don't see Hirst, Koons, or Wiley's market being affected by this in the slightest. They come up with a vision for a piece, and with their signature and branding (and that of a prestigious gallery) can sell these for handsome prices.
These won't appreciate in line with Banksy's market, and the image is very weak due to the crop.
I am enjoying seeing Mason dance around the issue and am glad he is seeking recognition for his technical ability.
Like others have already highlighted, it is of very little significance to the art world who the technician was that executed these paintings.
I don't see Hirst, Koons, or Wiley's market being affected by this in the slightest. They come up with a vision for a piece, and with their signature and branding (and that of a prestigious gallery) can sell these for handsome prices.
These won't appreciate in line with Banksy's market, and the image is very weak due to the crop.
I am enjoying seeing Mason dance around the issue and am glad he is seeking recognition for his technical ability.
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iamzero
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by iamzero on Nov 6, 2020 13:17:06 GMT 1, How is this any different to War Boutique and their Mirrorball Riot Helmets?
How is this any different to War Boutique and their Mirrorball Riot Helmets?
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Warm Gun
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by Warm Gun on Nov 6, 2020 13:25:50 GMT 1, Why does Mason Storm insist on wearing a studded gimp mask?
Why does Mason Storm insist on wearing a studded gimp mask?
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tab1
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by tab1 on Nov 6, 2020 13:33:26 GMT 1, Why does Mason Storm insist on wearing a studded gimp mask? alternative scene he may live behind closed doors , get a hint from his Instagram ๐๐
Why does Mason Storm insist on wearing a studded gimp mask? alternative scene he may live behind closed doors , get a hint from his Instagram ๐๐
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3D Monkey
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by 3D Monkey on Nov 6, 2020 14:30:52 GMT 1, How is this any different to War Boutique and their Mirrorball Riot Helmets?
Absolutely.....
How is this any different to War Boutique and their Mirrorball Riot Helmets? Absolutely.....
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by the only texas pete on Nov 7, 2020 14:54:43 GMT 1, I like it, if I get one, def going on my wall :-) Alexei
I like it, if I get one, def going on my wall :-) Alexei
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artdelight
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by artdelight on Nov 7, 2020 15:38:59 GMT 1, A copy
A copy
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met
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by met on Nov 7, 2020 23:35:50 GMT 1, Well, there you have it, Ladies and Gentlemen. There you have it. You see how far the termites have spread, and how long and well they've dined.
JFC.
With apologies for the exasperated tone, what is this rubbish?
__________
The most disheartening aspect about the thread is the general absence of scepticism being expressed by members.
There's even a link to a hack-journalism piece โ quite possibly paid for, and reading in part like PR guff or paraphrased press releases from a gallery or artist. And this has been posted as if it were a researched news article. Frankly, that amounts to confusing clickbait for legitimate, reliable sources of information.
Mental faculties and senses seem to have been dullened (whether by age-related forgetfulness, sedentariness, physical comfort and/or jadedness) โ to the point where some members appear to accept at face value a narrative being presented to them by those with vested interests. And, for that matter, obvious vested interests.
__________
Why are there so few posts challenging this rot?
Where has our attitude of "Question everything!" disappeared to?
Who is asking, "Cui bono?"
It's not as if these types of shenanigans are unfamiliar to longstanding members.
We've already been exposed, multiple times, to parasitic dross and deceptive marketing from pedlars of the likes of Outis, Gonefellow, Ted Patrick and Mrs Banksy.
But also from Mason Storm himself. Remember he's a recidivist. Storm has always reeked of the need to appear relevant, if only by proxy.
____________________
Let's consider things a different way, with a partial thought experiment, to drum home the point.
Imagine for this purpose that:
(i) it is I who is the inadequate artist, with a history of Banksy coattail-riding and amateur attempts at media manipulation;
(ii) my fixation with Banksy has been documented for at least 13 years โ including with a rather sad "Mason Knows" hype campaign, and the work below from circa 2007:
www.flickr.com/photos/25770208@N03/2423047664/
In addition, assume the following:
(iii) I am both short on cash and really, really want to be talked about (even by forced association with a famous artist who actually has talent);
(iv) I get a section of Devolved Parliament cheaply copied after, say, making contact online with a business from Dafen Oil Painting Village in Shenzhen, China;
(v) the reproduction has some deliberate, noticeable differences to the original image, adding credence to the false notion that (rather than being just a copy) the new painting is actually an early study for Devolved Parliament; and
(vi) when announcing my print release on Instagram, I make cynically ambiguous comments about the copy painting being an "oil sketch" or a "reference for another painting" โ to further imply a genuine Banksy connection and therefore to further mislead my target market, i.e. the more ignorant or naive among collectors of Banksy art and ephemera.
Now, then:
Despite my previous history of playing Banksy enthusiasts for fools, query whether I might be able to repeat the process yet again.
Will my new efforts described in (iv), (v) and (vi) above suffice at deceiving enough patsies to ensure that my prints sell out next week?
Thus far, things are looking very good. My faith in stupidity remains intact.
Well, there you have it, Ladies and Gentlemen. There you have it. You see how far the termites have spread, and how long and well they've dined.JFC. With apologies for the exasperated tone, what is this rubbish? __________ The most disheartening aspect about the thread is the general absence of scepticism being expressed by members. There's even a link to a hack-journalism piece โ quite possibly paid for, and reading in part like PR guff or paraphrased press releases from a gallery or artist. And this has been posted as if it were a researched news article. Frankly, that amounts to confusing clickbait for legitimate, reliable sources of information. Mental faculties and senses seem to have been dullened (whether by age-related forgetfulness, sedentariness, physical comfort and/or jadedness) โ to the point where some members appear to accept at face value a narrative being presented to them by those with vested interests. And, for that matter, obvious vested interests. __________ Why are there so few posts challenging this rot? Where has our attitude of "Question everything!" disappeared to? Who is asking, "Cui bono?"It's not as if these types of shenanigans are unfamiliar to longstanding members. We've already been exposed, multiple times, to parasitic dross and deceptive marketing from pedlars of the likes of Outis, Gonefellow, Ted Patrick and Mrs Banksy. But also from Mason Storm himself. Remember he's a recidivist. Storm has always reeked of the need to appear relevant, if only by proxy. ____________________ Let's consider things a different way, with a partial thought experiment, to drum home the point. Imagine for this purpose that:(i) it is I who is the inadequate artist, with a history of Ban ksy coattail-riding and amateur attempts at media manipulation; (ii) my fixation with Ban ksy has been documented for at least 13 years โ including with a rather sad "Mason Knows" hype campaign, and the work below from circa 2007: www.flickr.com/photos/25770208@N03/2423047664/In addition, assume the following:(iii) I am both short on cash and really, really want to be talked about (even by forced association with a famous artist who actually has talent); (iv) I get a section of Devolved Parliament cheaply copied after, say, making contact online with a business from Dafen Oil Painting Village in Shenzhen, China; (v) the reproduction has some deliberate, noticeable differences to the original image, adding credence to the false notion that (rather than being just a copy) the new painting is actually an early study for Devolved Parliament; and (vi) when announcing my print release on Insta gram, I make cynically ambiguous comments about the copy painting being an "oil sketch" or a "reference for another painting" โ to further imply a genuine Ban ksy connection and therefore to further mislead my target market, i.e. the more ignorant or naive among collectors of Ban ksy art and ephemera. Now, then:Despite my previous history of playing Ban ksy enthusiasts for fools, query whether I might be able to repeat the process yet again. Will my new efforts described in (iv), (v) and (vi) above suffice at deceiving enough patsies to ensure that my prints sell out next week? Thus far, things are looking very good. My faith in stupidity remains intact.
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iamzero
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by iamzero on Nov 8, 2020 0:03:10 GMT 1, Well written as always met. But I asked a question on the validity of how a member apparently knows for a fact that Mason Storm didnโt paint the Monkey Parliament piece which was a request for help and itโs simply ignored as if Iโm not worthy of knowing or it is somehow a stupid question. There are rarely any stupid questions, stupid answers there are plenty. So if you know something that could help the forum then please share it either publicly or via DM.
Well written as always met. But I asked a question on the validity of how a member apparently knows for a fact that Mason Storm didnโt paint the Monkey Parliament piece which was a request for help and itโs simply ignored as if Iโm not worthy of knowing or it is somehow a stupid question. There are rarely any stupid questions, stupid answers there are plenty. So if you know something that could help the forum then please share it either publicly or via DM.
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by Lroy on Nov 8, 2020 0:18:34 GMT 1, Well written as always met. .
Well .. I have to learn English I think.. did not understood any words, subject, phrases etc Iโm not mocking. This is real. Good night all
Well written as always met. . Well .. I have to learn English I think.. did not understood any words, subject, phrases etc Iโm not mocking. This is real. Good night all
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by irl1 on Nov 8, 2020 0:24:35 GMT 1, Well written as always met . . Well .. I have to learn English I think.. did not understood any words, subject, phrases etc Iโm not mocking. This is real. Good night all Hi Roy, met said it's a load of bollocks, sleep well
Well written as always met . . Well .. I have to learn English I think.. did not understood any words, subject, phrases etc Iโm not mocking. This is real. Good night all Hi Roy, met said it's a load of bollocks, sleep well
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tab1
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by tab1 on Nov 8, 2020 0:25:11 GMT 1, This is the crazy market right now , people buy anything with association to banksy and not the content of the work If this piece has a link to banksy , it is amazing if not itโs crap?
This is the crazy market right now , people buy anything with association to banksy and not the content of the work If this piece has a link to banksy , it is amazing if not itโs crap?
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nex
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by nex on Nov 8, 2020 0:36:44 GMT 1, Look at the third Instagram post met displays and the hashtags highlighted - that is simply the truth.
Do not buy this print if you think youโre getting a piece produced by the the person who painted banksys Parliament, you are not.
Look at the third Instagram post met displays and the hashtags highlighted - that is simply the truth.
Do not buy this print if you think youโre getting a piece produced by the the person who painted banksys Parliament, you are not.
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Rubberneck
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by Rubberneck on Nov 8, 2020 0:58:23 GMT 1, Well, there you have it, Ladies and Gentlemen. There you have it. You see how far the termites have spread, and how long and well they've dined.JFC. With apologies for the exasperated tone, what is this rubbish? __________ The most disheartening aspect about the thread is the general absence of scepticism being expressed by members. There's even a link to a hack-journalism piece โ quite possibly paid for, and reading in part like PR guff or paraphrased press releases from a gallery or artist. And this has been posted as if it were a researched news article. Frankly, that amounts to confusing clickbait for legitimate, reliable sources of information. Mental faculties and senses seem to have been dullened (whether by age-related forgetfulness, sedentariness, physical comfort and/or jadedness) โ to the point where some members appear to accept at face value a narrative being presented to them by those with vested interests. And, for that matter, obvious vested interests. __________ Why are there so few posts challenging this rot? Where has our attitude of "Question everything!" disappeared to? Who is asking, "Cui bono?"It's not as if these types of shenanigans are unfamiliar to longstanding members. We've already been exposed, multiple times, to parasitic dross and deceptive marketing from pedlars of the likes of Outis, Gonefellow, Ted Patrick and Mrs Banksy. But also from Mason Storm himself. Remember he's a recidivist. Storm has always reeked of the need to appear relevant, if only by proxy. ____________________ Let's consider things a different way, with a partial thought experiment, to drum home the point. Imagine for this purpose that:(i) it is I who is the inadequate artist, with a history of Ban ksy coattail-riding and amateur attempts at media manipulation; (ii) my fixation with Ban ksy has been documented for at least 13 years โ including with a rather sad "Mason Knows" hype campaign, and the work below from circa 2007: www.flickr.com/photos/25770208@N03/2423047664/In addition, assume the following:(iii) I am both short on cash and really, really want to be talked about (even by forced association with a famous artist who actually has talent); (iv) I get a section of Devolved Parliament cheaply copied after, say, making contact online with a business from Dafen Oil Painting Village in Shenzhen, China; (v) the reproduction has some deliberate, noticeable differences to the original image, adding credence to the false notion that (rather than being just a copy) the new painting is actually an early study for Devolved Parliament; and (vi) when announcing my print release on Insta gram, I make cynically ambiguous comments about the copy painting being an "oil sketch" or a "reference for another painting" โ to further imply a genuine Ban ksy connection and therefore to further mislead my target market, i.e. the more ignorant or naive among collectors of Ban ksy art and ephemera. Now, then:Despite my previous history of playing Ban ksy enthusiasts for fools, query whether I might be able to repeat the process yet again. Will my new efforts described in (iv), (v) and (vi) above suffice at deceiving enough patsies to ensure that my prints sell out next week? Thus far, things are looking very good. My faith in stupidity remains intact. Such a well written post.
Well, there you have it, Ladies and Gentlemen. There you have it. You see how far the termites have spread, and how long and well they've dined.JFC. With apologies for the exasperated tone, what is this rubbish? __________ The most disheartening aspect about the thread is the general absence of scepticism being expressed by members. There's even a link to a hack-journalism piece โ quite possibly paid for, and reading in part like PR guff or paraphrased press releases from a gallery or artist. And this has been posted as if it were a researched news article. Frankly, that amounts to confusing clickbait for legitimate, reliable sources of information. Mental faculties and senses seem to have been dullened (whether by age-related forgetfulness, sedentariness, physical comfort and/or jadedness) โ to the point where some members appear to accept at face value a narrative being presented to them by those with vested interests. And, for that matter, obvious vested interests. __________ Why are there so few posts challenging this rot? Where has our attitude of "Question everything!" disappeared to? Who is asking, "Cui bono?"It's not as if these types of shenanigans are unfamiliar to longstanding members. We've already been exposed, multiple times, to parasitic dross and deceptive marketing from pedlars of the likes of Outis, Gonefellow, Ted Patrick and Mrs Banksy. But also from Mason Storm himself. Remember he's a recidivist. Storm has always reeked of the need to appear relevant, if only by proxy. ____________________ Let's consider things a different way, with a partial thought experiment, to drum home the point. Imagine for this purpose that:(i) it is I who is the inadequate artist, with a history of Ban ksy coattail-riding and amateur attempts at media manipulation; (ii) my fixation with Ban ksy has been documented for at least 13 years โ including with a rather sad "Mason Knows" hype campaign, and the work below from circa 2007: www.flickr.com/photos/25770208@N03/2423047664/In addition, assume the following:(iii) I am both short on cash and really, really want to be talked about (even by forced association with a famous artist who actually has talent); (iv) I get a section of Devolved Parliament cheaply copied after, say, making contact online with a business from Dafen Oil Painting Village in Shenzhen, China; (v) the reproduction has some deliberate, noticeable differences to the original image, adding credence to the false notion that (rather than being just a copy) the new painting is actually an early study for Devolved Parliament; and (vi) when announcing my print release on Insta gram, I make cynically ambiguous comments about the copy painting being an "oil sketch" or a "reference for another painting" โ to further imply a genuine Ban ksy connection and therefore to further mislead my target market, i.e. the more ignorant or naive among collectors of Ban ksy art and ephemera. Now, then:Despite my previous history of playing Ban ksy enthusiasts for fools, query whether I might be able to repeat the process yet again. Will my new efforts described in (iv), (v) and (vi) above suffice at deceiving enough patsies to ensure that my prints sell out next week? Thus far, things are looking very good. My faith in stupidity remains intact. Such a well written post.
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Majestic
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by Majestic on Nov 8, 2020 1:04:11 GMT 1, Mason Shitstorm
Mason Shitstorm
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met
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by met on Nov 8, 2020 3:46:46 GMT 1, Well written as always met. But I asked a question on the validity of how a member apparently knows for a fact that Mason Storm didnโt paint the Monkey Parliament piece which was a request for help and itโs simply ignored as if Iโm not worthy of knowing or it is somehow a stupid question. There are rarely any stupid questions, stupid answers there are plenty. So if you know something that could help the forum then please share it either publicly or via DM.
1. On the Banksy / Devolved Parliament side, it seems understandable that, if someone had inside information, they might refrain from disclosing details on a public forum โ to avoid betraying the trust given to them by the artist.
2. Regarding Mason Storm, both his intention and modus operandi seem reasonably clear to me. This, even if we ignore his history of coattail-riding.
It's a case of looking at both paintings, seeing the considerable efforts of the Storm version to very faithfully replicate the Banksy and, notwithstanding the intentional small differences, being conscious this process would not have been followed to such degree if the Storm version were (as vaguely yet knowingly implied) an earlier study of the finished Banksy.
The same thing is evident when comparing Banksy's Vettriano, Beach Rescue with Storm's copy: a couple of deliberately noticeable differences, with the rest of it (cloud formations, sand shadows, etc.) being obvious parroting and just too similar to be a study:
Side note:
Interested members may wish to take the time and closely examine, as I have done, other paintings attributed to Mason Storm. You might share my strong suspicion that many of them were created by different hands โ their execution having been outsourced to artists who can actually paint.
3. If Stowe Gallery, as publisher and distributor of the release, wanted to demonstrate integrity, it could easily offer some clarification.
This would benefit collectors currently under the false impression that the painting on which the Mason Storm prints are based may have been a Banksy commission, or something other than a mere later copy of a section of Devolved Parliament.
The alternative for the gallery is to accept the risk of accusations of dishonesty from its clients โ of selling them prints under cynically-implied false pretences.
Artlover has previously identified himself here as Jamie Marchant* of Marchant Group / Stowe Gallery. [printlove, based in Worcester, looks like it could be a duplicate account.]
Since Marchant will surely have had communications with Storm about the background of the painting in question, perhaps he would be kind enough to confirm it has no genuine connection to Banksy and that it was created after Devolved Parliament as a reproduction.
Well written as always met. But I asked a question on the validity of how a member apparently knows for a fact that Mason Storm didnโt paint the Monkey Parliament piece which was a request for help and itโs simply ignored as if Iโm not worthy of knowing or it is somehow a stupid question. There are rarely any stupid questions, stupid answers there are plenty. So if you know something that could help the forum then please share it either publicly or via DM. 1. On the Banksy / Devolved Parliament side, it seems understandable that, if someone had inside information, they might refrain from disclosing details on a public forum โ to avoid betraying the trust given to them by the artist. 2. Regarding Mason Storm, both his intention and modus operandi seem reasonably clear to me. This, even if we ignore his history of coattail-riding. It's a case of looking at both paintings, seeing the considerable efforts of the Storm version to very faithfully replicate the Ban ksy and, notwithstanding the intentional small differences, being conscious this process would not have been followed to such degree if the Storm version were (as vaguely yet knowingly implied) an earlier study of the finished Ban ksy. The same thing is evident when comparing Ban ksy's Vettriano, Beach Rescue with Storm's copy: a couple of deliberately noticeable differences, with the rest of it (cloud formations, sand shadows, etc.) being obvious parroting and just too similar to be a study: Side note: Interested members may wish to take the time and closely examine, as I have done, other paintings attributed to Mason Storm. You might share my strong suspicion that many of them were created by different hands โ their execution having been outsourced to artists who can actually paint. 3. If Stowe Gallery, as publisher and distributor of the release, wanted to demonstrate integrity, it could easily offer some clarification. This would benefit collectors currently under the false impression that the painting on which the Mason Storm prints are based may have been a Ban ksy commission, or something other than a mere later copy of a section of Devolved Parliament. The alternative for the gallery is to accept the risk of accusations of dishonesty from its clients โ of selling them prints under cynically-implied false pretences. Artlover has previously identified himself here as Jamie Marchant* of Marchant Group / Stowe Gallery. [ printlove, based in Worcester, looks like it could be a duplicate account.] Since Marchant will surely have had communications with Storm about the background of the painting in question, perhaps he would be kind enough to confirm it has no genuine connection to Ban ksy and that it was created after Devolved Parliament as a reproduction.
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by jellya on Nov 8, 2020 7:05:55 GMT 1, I admit I was lining up to buy this and came on here in the hope that there would be more information. Thankfully some members are taking the time to scrutinise and question it so buyers can make up their minds. It would be helpful if Stowe or the artist could provide more answers but the PR for this is intentionally vague I suspect.
I admit I was lining up to buy this and came on here in the hope that there would be more information. Thankfully some members are taking the time to scrutinise and question it so buyers can make up their minds. It would be helpful if Stowe or the artist could provide more answers but the PR for this is intentionally vague I suspect.
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Newar
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by Newar on Nov 8, 2020 7:36:23 GMT 1, Thanks met very detailed post that's the UAA spirit
Thanks met very detailed post that's the UAA spirit
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3D Monkey
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by 3D Monkey on Nov 8, 2020 8:45:19 GMT 1, Well written as always met. But I asked a question on the validity of how a member apparently knows for a fact that Mason Storm didnโt paint the Monkey Parliament piece which was a request for help and itโs simply ignored as if Iโm not worthy of knowing or it is somehow a stupid question. There are rarely any stupid questions, stupid answers there are plenty. So if you know something that could help the forum then please share it either publicly or via DM. 1.ย On the Banksyย / Devolved Parliament side, it seems understandable that, if someone had inside information, they might refrain from disclosing details on a public forum โ to avoid betraying the trust given to them by the artist. 2.ย Regarding Mason Storm, both his intention and modus operandi seem reasonably clear to me. This, even if we ignore his history of coattail-riding. It's a case of looking at both paintings, seeing the considerable efforts of the Storm version to very faithfully replicate the Ban ksy and, notwithstanding the intentional small differences, being conscious this process would not have been followed to such degree if the Storm version were (as vaguely yet knowingly implied) an earlier study of the finished Ban ksy. The same thing is evident when comparing Ban ksy's Vettriano, Beach Rescue with Storm's copy: a couple of deliberately noticeable differences, with the rest of it (cloud formations, sand shadows, etc.) being obvious parroting and just too similar to be a study: Side note: Interested members may wish to take the time and closely examine, as I have done, other paintings attributed to Mason Storm. You might share my strong suspicion that many of them were created by different hands โ their execution having been outsourced to artists who can actually paint. 3.ย If Stowe Gallery, as publisher and distributor of the release, wanted to demonstrate integrity, it could easily offer some clarification. This would benefit collectors currently under the false impression that the painting on which the Mason Storm prints are based may have been a Ban ksy commission, or something other than a mere later copy of a section of Devolved Parliament. The alternative for the gallery is to accept the risk of accusations of dishonesty from its clients โย of selling them prints under cynically-implied false pretences. Artlover has previously identified himself here as Jamie Marchant* of Marchant Groupย / Stowe Gallery. [ printlove, based in Worcester, looks like it could be a duplicate account.] Since Marchant will surely have had communications with Storm about the background of the painting in question, perhaps he would be kind enough to confirm it has no genuine connection to Ban ksy and that it was created after Devolved Parliament as a reproduction.
The reality is that even if he had been commissioned, he would have had to sign a Non Disclosure Agreement, which would be fair by all accounts. If at a later stage, you decide to announce that, โIts was Meeee.....Mason, that painter theses 3 piecesโ , then he should rightly expect to be sued - Itโs a simple matter of principled morality (to maintain trust) being backed by law and thereโs nothing wrong with that.
Well written as always met. But I asked a question on the validity of how a member apparently knows for a fact that Mason Storm didnโt paint the Monkey Parliament piece which was a request for help and itโs simply ignored as if Iโm not worthy of knowing or it is somehow a stupid question. There are rarely any stupid questions, stupid answers there are plenty. So if you know something that could help the forum then please share it either publicly or via DM. 1.ย On the Banksyย / Devolved Parliament side, it seems understandable that, if someone had inside information, they might refrain from disclosing details on a public forum โ to avoid betraying the trust given to them by the artist. 2.ย Regarding Mason Storm, both his intention and modus operandi seem reasonably clear to me. This, even if we ignore his history of coattail-riding. It's a case of looking at both paintings, seeing the considerable efforts of the Storm version to very faithfully replicate the Ban ksy and, notwithstanding the intentional small differences, being conscious this process would not have been followed to such degree if the Storm version were (as vaguely yet knowingly implied) an earlier study of the finished Ban ksy. The same thing is evident when comparing Ban ksy's Vettriano, Beach Rescue with Storm's copy: a couple of deliberately noticeable differences, with the rest of it (cloud formations, sand shadows, etc.) being obvious parroting and just too similar to be a study: Side note: Interested members may wish to take the time and closely examine, as I have done, other paintings attributed to Mason Storm. You might share my strong suspicion that many of them were created by different hands โ their execution having been outsourced to artists who can actually paint. 3.ย If Stowe Gallery, as publisher and distributor of the release, wanted to demonstrate integrity, it could easily offer some clarification. This would benefit collectors currently under the false impression that the painting on which the Mason Storm prints are based may have been a Ban ksy commission, or something other than a mere later copy of a section of Devolved Parliament. The alternative for the gallery is to accept the risk of accusations of dishonesty from its clients โย of selling them prints under cynically-implied false pretences. Artlover has previously identified himself here as Jamie Marchant* of Marchant Groupย / Stowe Gallery. [ printlove, based in Worcester, looks like it could be a duplicate account.] Since Marchant will surely have had communications with Storm about the background of the painting in question, perhaps he would be kind enough to confirm it has no genuine connection to Ban ksy and that it was created after Devolved Parliament as a reproduction. The reality is that even if he had been commissioned, he would have had to sign a Non Disclosure Agreement, which would be fair by all accounts. If at a later stage, you decide to announce that, โIts was Meeee.....Mason, that painter theses 3 piecesโ , then he should rightly expect to be sued - Itโs a simple matter of principled morality (to maintain trust) being backed by law and thereโs nothing wrong with that.
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by Lroy on Nov 8, 2020 9:21:24 GMT 1, Well, there you have it, Ladies and Gentlemen. There you have it. You see how far the termites have spread, and how long and well they've dined.JFC. With apologies for the exasperated tone, what is this rubbish? __________ The most disheartening aspect about the thread is the general absence of scepticism being expressed by members. There's even a link to a hack-journalism piece โ quite possibly paid for, and reading in part like PR guff or paraphrased press releases from a gallery or artist. And this has been posted as if it were a researched news article. Frankly, that amounts to confusing clickbait for legitimate, reliable sources of information. Mental faculties and senses seem to have been dullened (whether by age-related forgetfulness, sedentariness, physical comfort and/or jadedness) โย to the point where some members appear to accept at face value a narrative being presented to them by those with vested interests. And, for that matter, obvious vested interests. __________ Why are there so few posts challenging this rot? Where has our attitude of "Question everything!" disappeared to? Who is asking, "Cuiย bono?"It's not as if these types of shenanigans are unfamiliar to longstanding members. We've already been exposed, multiple times, to parasitic dross and deceptive marketing from pedlars of the likes of Outis, Gonefellow, Tedย Patrick and Mrsย Banksy. But also from Mason Storm himself. Remember he's a recidivist. Storm has always reeked of the need to appear relevant, if only by proxy. ____________________ Let's consider things a different way, with a partial thought experiment, to drum home the point. Imagine for this purpose that:(i)ย it is I who is the inadequate artist, with a history of Ban ksy coattail-riding and amateur attempts at media manipulation; (ii)ย my fixation with Ban ksy has been documented for at least 13ย years โ including with a rather sad "Masonย Knows" hype campaign, and the work below from circa 2007: www.flickr.com/photos/25770208@N03/2423047664/In addition, assume the following:(iii)ย I am both short on cash and really, really want to be talked about (even by forced association with a famous artist who actually has talent); (iv)ย I get a section of Devolved Parliament cheaply copied after, say, making contact online with a business from Dafen Oil Painting Village in Shenzhen, China; (v)ย the reproduction has some deliberate, noticeable differences to the original image, adding credence to the false notion that (rather than being just a copy) the new painting is actually an early study for Devolved Parliament; and (vi)ย when announcing my print release on Insta gram, I make cynically ambiguous comments about the copy painting being an "oil sketch" or a "reference for another painting" โย to further imply a genuine Ban ksy connection and therefore to further mislead my target market, i.e.ย the more ignorant or naive among collectors of Ban ksy art and ephemera. Now, then:Despite my previous history of playing Ban ksy enthusiasts for fools, query whether I might be able to repeat the process yet again. Will my new efforts described in (iv), (v) and (vi) above suffice at deceiving enough patsies to ensure that my prints sell out next week? Thus far, things are looking very good. My faith in stupidity remains intact. Such a well written post. ย
In near 1000000 enlightenment and clever comments I just still donโt understand why people are still quoting big posts ( with photos or not) to say ยซย Such a well written post ยป What Iโm doing now
On the right side is an @ permitting to quote the name of the poster and to say ยซย thank you ยป ...
Well, there you have it, Ladies and Gentlemen. There you have it. You see how far the termites have spread, and how long and well they've dined.JFC. With apologies for the exasperated tone, what is this rubbish? __________ The most disheartening aspect about the thread is the general absence of scepticism being expressed by members. There's even a link to a hack-journalism piece โ quite possibly paid for, and reading in part like PR guff or paraphrased press releases from a gallery or artist. And this has been posted as if it were a researched news article. Frankly, that amounts to confusing clickbait for legitimate, reliable sources of information. Mental faculties and senses seem to have been dullened (whether by age-related forgetfulness, sedentariness, physical comfort and/or jadedness) โย to the point where some members appear to accept at face value a narrative being presented to them by those with vested interests. And, for that matter, obvious vested interests. __________ Why are there so few posts challenging this rot? Where has our attitude of "Question everything!" disappeared to? Who is asking, "Cuiย bono?"It's not as if these types of shenanigans are unfamiliar to longstanding members. We've already been exposed, multiple times, to parasitic dross and deceptive marketing from pedlars of the likes of Outis, Gonefellow, Tedย Patrick and Mrsย Banksy. But also from Mason Storm himself. Remember he's a recidivist. Storm has always reeked of the need to appear relevant, if only by proxy. ____________________ Let's consider things a different way, with a partial thought experiment, to drum home the point. Imagine for this purpose that:(i)ย it is I who is the inadequate artist, with a history of Ban ksy coattail-riding and amateur attempts at media manipulation; (ii)ย my fixation with Ban ksy has been documented for at least 13ย years โ including with a rather sad "Masonย Knows" hype campaign, and the work below from circa 2007: www.flickr.com/photos/25770208@N03/2423047664/In addition, assume the following:(iii)ย I am both short on cash and really, really want to be talked about (even by forced association with a famous artist who actually has talent); (iv)ย I get a section of Devolved Parliament cheaply copied after, say, making contact online with a business from Dafen Oil Painting Village in Shenzhen, China; (v)ย the reproduction has some deliberate, noticeable differences to the original image, adding credence to the false notion that (rather than being just a copy) the new painting is actually an early study for Devolved Parliament; and (vi)ย when announcing my print release on Insta gram, I make cynically ambiguous comments about the copy painting being an "oil sketch" or a "reference for another painting" โย to further imply a genuine Ban ksy connection and therefore to further mislead my target market, i.e.ย the more ignorant or naive among collectors of Ban ksy art and ephemera. Now, then:Despite my previous history of playing Ban ksy enthusiasts for fools, query whether I might be able to repeat the process yet again. Will my new efforts described in (iv), (v) and (vi) above suffice at deceiving enough patsies to ensure that my prints sell out next week? Thus far, things are looking very good. My faith in stupidity remains intact. Such a well written post. ย In near 1000000 enlightenment and clever comments I just still donโt understand why people are still quoting big posts ( with photos or not) to say ยซย Such a well written post ยป What Iโm doing now On the right side is an @ permitting to quote the name of the poster and to say ยซย thank you ยป ...
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by Lroy on Nov 8, 2020 10:07:30 GMT 1, I admit I was lining up to buy this and came on here in the hope that there would be more information. Thankfully some members are taking the time to scrutinise and question it so buyers can make up their minds. It would be helpful if Stowe or the artist could provide more answers but the PR for this is intentionally vague I suspect.
Well I will answer to met - long post and he is never answering to me, thatโs life - and to you. Thatโs true that his post sounded as a detailed autopsy of an agonizing body.
Anyway, simple people has the right to think differently and we donโt need to be upset : you donโt like Gonefellow? Donโt buy it - why to donโt ask the gallery also more explanationsโ ? We can find irony in Mason โ s painting too. You donโt like Ted Patrick, letโs pass. M. Banksy ? I understand ๐ ) I wonโt buy it because itโs pricey for me ( lot of problems etc ) , but Mason is a friend and a great artist who likes to paint. And he is the only one on the art/streetart market to be like that : parodying himself, an ufo. He ยซย paints on photo ยป I read .. his Bacon is stunning. And he is not the only one. In stencils there are machines cutting the artworks with the mouse in the hand.. You like this another painting or print ? All is photoshopped with a click !
Banksy photoshopped original photos, Invader makes his drawing of Tiles, Rubik cubes ( colors etc ) passing by a computer.. Most of all big murals ( Faile etc ) has made the night with the help Of artschool students, staff, etc .. projecting the paint on the walls ! So where is the problem ?
To ask the gallery why this part of Banksy parliament?! Why should they answer ?! Because of Banksy ? Itโs not signed by Banksy, itโs signed Mason Storm. Itโs not a fake itโs โ gros plan " on a part of the Parliament .. And I would be happy to have a part of this parliament in my walls ( Banksy tats and posters are so much expensive that you definitely not buy one, new launch of prints now are at 1,5 k , 2, 4 K !? How to buy one ?!? ).. Anyway people are buying it to flip it already on eBay or to pray that the value will increase ๐ฏ ++โ. Do they buy it because they really like it ? Not at all. Print market is weak at the moment ( I made a previous thread about ), no more simplicity nor ideas.
You can see that as a brilliant idea, as a parody too, I found the meaning excellent. : as a zoom in a movie or a cut in a final scene.
( anyway We should ask many artists also why they painted another Mona Lisa, Scream, another paysage etc etc ...)
Artists should paint more details, I mean only the detail, that made the artwork internationally well known : the hands of Mona Lisa, a bull head in Guernica โs Picasso. It could be interesting and it will broke all the rules of these masterpieces and museum that Banksy himself ( several times ago ) criticized as sanctuaries. Well I donโt think that I am very clear. Never mind !
In Art, all could be done. I found in the Mason โs one a scream of desperate poetry, maybe thatโs why monkeys are sad.
I admit I was lining up to buy this and came on here in the hope that there would be more information. Thankfully some members are taking the time to scrutinise and question it so buyers can make up their minds. It would be helpful if Stowe or the artist could provide more answers but the PR for this is intentionally vague I suspect. Well I will answer to met - long post and he is never answering to me, thatโs life - and to you. Thatโs true that his post sounded as a detailed autopsy of an agonizing body. Anyway, simple people has the right to think differently and we donโt need to be upset : you donโt like Gonefellow? Donโt buy it - why to donโt ask the gallery also more explanationsโ ? We can find irony in Mason โ s painting too. You donโt like Ted Patrick, letโs pass. M. Banksy ? I understand ๐ ) I wonโt buy it because itโs pricey for me ( lot of problems etc ) , but Mason is a friend and a great artist who likes to paint. And he is the only one on the art/streetart market to be like that : parodying himself, an ufo. He ยซย paints on photo ยป I read .. his Bacon is stunning. And he is not the only one. In stencils there are machines cutting the artworks with the mouse in the hand.. You like this another painting or print ? All is photoshopped with a click ! Banksy photoshopped original photos, Invader makes his drawing of Tiles, Rubik cubes ( colors etc ) passing by a computer.. Most of all big murals ( Faile etc ) has made the night with the help Of artschool students, staff, etc .. projecting the paint on the walls ! So where is the problem ? To ask the gallery why this part of Banksy parliament?! Why should they answer ?! Because of Banksy ? Itโs not signed by Banksy, itโs signed Mason Storm. Itโs not a fake itโs โ gros plan " on a part of the Parliament .. And I would be happy to have a part of this parliament in my walls ( Banksy tats and posters are so much expensive that you definitely not buy one, new launch of prints now are at 1,5 k , 2, 4 K !? How to buy one ?!? ).. Anyway people are buying it to flip it already on eBay or to pray that the value will increase ๐ฏ ++โ. Do they buy it because they really like it ? Not at all. Print market is weak at the moment ( I made a previous thread about ), no more simplicity nor ideas. You can see that as a brilliant idea, as a parody too, I found the meaning excellent. : as a zoom in a movie or a cut in a final scene. ( anyway We should ask many artists also why they painted another Mona Lisa, Scream, another paysage etc etc ...) Artists should paint more details, I mean only the detail, that made the artwork internationally well known : the hands of Mona Lisa, a bull head in Guernica โs Picasso. It could be interesting and it will broke all the rules of these masterpieces and museum that Banksy himself ( several times ago ) criticized as sanctuaries. Well I donโt think that I am very clear. Never mind ! In Art, all could be done. I found in the Mason โs one a scream of desperate poetry, maybe thatโs why monkeys are sad.
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by brycepen on Nov 8, 2020 10:15:11 GMT 1, Iโm case anyone wants to hear my hot take:
1) what fucking artist does oil sketches?! Seriously, is that a real thing?
2) this is ugly. Period.
Iโm case anyone wants to hear my hot take:
1) what fucking artist does oil sketches?! Seriously, is that a real thing?
2) this is ugly. Period.
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by Lroy on Nov 8, 2020 10:32:00 GMT 1, Iโm case anyone wants to hear my hot take: 1) what fucking artist does oil sketches?! Seriously, is that a real thing? 2) this is ugly. Period.
1) what fucking artist does oil sketches?! Seriously, is that a real thing? Artists that do oil sketches.
2) this is ugly. Sincerely , I have never found Monkey Parliament extraordinary. Not my cup of tee. Crude oils are funny too. But not my cup of tee toi. A bit easy and photoshopped. But some are really well done and funny. ( I speak about the painting as a matter, a consistance, Colors etc.. ) Ps : I have heard you Ahahah
Iโm case anyone wants to hear my hot take: 1) what fucking artist does oil sketches?! Seriously, is that a real thing? 2) this is ugly. Period. 1) what fucking artist does oil sketches?! Seriously, is that a real thing? Artists that do oil sketches. 2) this is ugly. Sincerely , I have never found Monkey Parliament extraordinary. Not my cup of tee. Crude oils are funny too. But not my cup of tee toi. A bit easy and photoshopped. But some are really well done and funny. ( I speak about the painting as a matter, a consistance, Colors etc.. ) Ps : I have heard you Ahahah
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by slevin on Nov 8, 2020 10:32:23 GMT 1, 1. On the Banksy / Devolved Parliament side, it seems understandable that, if someone had inside information, they might refrain from disclosing details on a public forum โ to avoid betraying the trust given to them by the artist.
This. No artist with actual links to Banksy would come out with "hints" like this.
1. On the Banksy / Devolved Parliament side, it seems understandable that, if someone had inside information, they might refrain from disclosing details on a public forum โ to avoid betraying the trust given to them by the artist. This. No artist with actual links to Banksy would come out with "hints" like this.
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by Dive Jedi on Nov 8, 2020 11:03:33 GMT 1, So............ after deliberations and a fine analysis by Met
Put up your hand : WHO BOUGHT THIS ?
So............ after deliberations and a fine analysis by Met
Put up your hand : WHO BOUGHT THIS ?
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by Lroy on Nov 8, 2020 11:10:38 GMT 1, So............ after deliberations and a fine analysis by Met Put up your hand : WHO BOUGHT THIS ?
2 fine and ( long ) analysis - with a bit of anger - I did not said hate -, just why to attack Mason, Gonefellow, Ted , and to put them All in the same scumbag ?! Anyway I ts a bit difficult to understand where is the real problem ! Gimme the money I will buy one ( yesterday there were already 2000 mails for the 250 edition ! - not joking ). And you my dear friend ? ( apart posting JPS instead of the miss - just jokinโ ahah )
So............ after deliberations and a fine analysis by Met Put up your hand : WHO BOUGHT THIS ? 2 fine and ( long ) analysis - with a bit of anger - I did not said hate -, just why to attack Mason, Gonefellow, Ted , and to put them All in the same scumbag ?! Anyway I ts a bit difficult to understand where is the real problem ! Gimme the money I will buy one ( yesterday there were already 2000 mails for the 250 edition ! - not joking ). And you my dear friend ? ( apart posting JPS instead of the miss - just jokinโ ahah )
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by brycepen on Nov 8, 2020 11:14:50 GMT 1, 1) what fucking artist does oil sketches?! Seriously, is that a real thing? Artists that do oil sketches.
Those arenโt artists.
1) what fucking artist does oil sketches?! Seriously, is that a real thing? Artists that do oil sketches. Those arenโt artists.
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by lha on Nov 8, 2020 11:15:26 GMT 1, Opinions are like arseholes. Everybodyโs got one.
Opinions are like arseholes. Everybodyโs got one.
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Mason Storm ๐ฌ๐ง New Print Release โข Who is Mason Storm?, by brycepen on Nov 8, 2020 11:19:05 GMT 1, Opinions are like arseholes. Everybodyโs got one.
I only got one asshole, but Iโve got lots of opinions.
Opinions are like arseholes. Everybodyโs got one. I only got one asshole, but Iโve got lots of opinions.
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