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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Happy Shopper on Jan 14, 2021 17:13:54 GMT 1, Separately they couldn't be linked just to Futura, but put the name and Atom symbol together and it's a bit too close to his art, IMO.
I think they knew what they were doing.
Separately they couldn't be linked just to Futura, but put the name and Atom symbol together and it's a bit too close to his art, IMO.
I think they knew what they were doing.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 17:18:52 GMT 1, Separately they couldn't be linked just to Futura, but put the name and Atom symbol together and it's a bit too close to his art, IMO. I think they knew what they were doing.
Separately they couldn't be linked just to Futura, but put the name and Atom symbol together and it's a bit too close to his art, IMO. I think they knew what they were doing. Really? |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Matt on Jan 14, 2021 17:58:35 GMT 1, first off..... futura invented the atom, 3D concentric circles, and the future .... sooo....
Lesser known fact : he also invented sarcasm and second degree humour
first off..... futura invented the atom, 3D concentric circles, and the future .... sooo.... Lesser known fact : he also invented sarcasm and second degree humour |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Happy Shopper on Jan 14, 2021 18:03:31 GMT 1, I can't say that either the logo or the name would make me think of Futura and I'm a fan of his work...
Really?
I can't say that either the logo or the name would make me think of Futura and I'm a fan of his work... Really? |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 18:13:32 GMT 1, I can't say that either the logo or the name would make me think of Futura and I'm a fan of his work... Really?
I can't say that either the logo or the name would make me think of Futura and I'm a fan of his work... Really? Ha ha yes, definitely (to both statements) |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Happy Shopper on Jan 14, 2021 18:16:29 GMT 1, Really? Ha ha yes, definitely (to both statements)
The word "Future" and those circles don't in any way remind you of Futura? 
Really? Ha ha yes, definitely (to both statements) The word "Future" and those circles don't in any way remind you of Futura? |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by thrash822 on Jan 14, 2021 18:31:00 GMT 1, I can see this going either way, but if the press continues, I can see North Face wanting to settle this before it gets any further. Just based on the possibility of it tarnishing their name in the art community, which a fashion forward brand would want to try to avoid, after seeing how wrong it can go like with H&M which was a much more obvious rip and got way more press. But time will tell...
**Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif**
I can see this going either way, but if the press continues, I can see North Face wanting to settle this before it gets any further. Just based on the possibility of it tarnishing their name in the art community, which a fashion forward brand would want to try to avoid, after seeing how wrong it can go like with H&M which was a much more obvious rip and got way more press. But time will tell...
**Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif**
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Runit on Jan 14, 2021 18:34:10 GMT 1, Clearly a rip off. Futura isnโt a money grabbing chancer. Heโs rightfully looking to protect his IP. Good on him for standing his ground against a mega brand too lazy and cynical to come up with something original while looking to cash in on a trending hype train.
Stick to the shitty Supreme colabs.
Clearly a rip off. Futura isnโt a money grabbing chancer. Heโs rightfully looking to protect his IP. Good on him for standing his ground against a mega brand too lazy and cynical to come up with something original while looking to cash in on a trending hype train.
Stick to the shitty Supreme colabs.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Morfx on Jan 14, 2021 19:12:11 GMT 1, first off..... futura invented the atom, 3D concentric circles, and the future .... sooo.... Lesser known fact : he also invented sarcasm and second degree humour
first off..... futura invented the atom, 3D concentric circles, and the future .... sooo.... Lesser known fact : he also invented sarcasm and second degree humour |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by 0shima on Jan 14, 2021 19:23:14 GMT 1, Lepuitsauxlivres sent me the tracking today, finger crossed for the color ๐ค  ๐ค๐ค๐ค
Lepuitsauxlivres sent me the tracking today, finger crossed for the color ๐ค Same for me got the tracking today ๐ค๐ค๐ค |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by dani on Jan 14, 2021 19:54:25 GMT 1, In order to successfully claim copyright infringement, Futura would need to show not just that the logo is similar to his design, but that it was derived from his design. Unless there is evidence of North Face's artist being very familiar with Futura's work, I think the logo is generic enough that it can't be assumed up front that it wasn't independently designed. Just Google "squiggly circles." It's not that special.
And Futura definitely can't trademark the word Future. He could trademark the atom "logo" if it were recognizable enough, but I'm pretty sure it's not. Especially when North Face is operating in an entirely different market.
In order to successfully claim copyright infringement, Futura would need to show not just that the logo is similar to his design, but that it was derived from his design. Unless there is evidence of North Face's artist being very familiar with Futura's work, I think the logo is generic enough that it can't be assumed up front that it wasn't independently designed. Just Google "squiggly circles." It's not that special.
And Futura definitely can't trademark the word Future. He could trademark the atom "logo" if it were recognizable enough, but I'm pretty sure it's not. Especially when North Face is operating in an entirely different market.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Riotcops on Jan 14, 2021 20:40:04 GMT 1, They reference a "line of outwear"? I was expecting to see his signature style printed all over. But the lockup referenced is a bit of a reach imo. Plus you only have to alter an original design by 25% to be considered unique in the eyes of the law. Hence why all those venders can use trademarked logos on their witty gag gift t-shirts.
They reference a "line of outwear"? I was expecting to see his signature style printed all over. But the lockup referenced is a bit of a reach imo. Plus you only have to alter an original design by 25% to be considered unique in the eyes of the law. Hence why all those venders can use trademarked logos on their witty gag gift t-shirts.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by dani on Jan 14, 2021 21:04:46 GMT 1, They reference a "line of outwear"? I was expecting to see his signature style printed all over. But the lockup referenced is a bit of a reach imo. Plus you only have to alter an original design by 25% to be considered unique in the eyes of the law. Hence why all those venders can use trademarked logos on their witty gag gift t-shirts.
Where did you get that 25% rule from? I don't think it's true. At least not in U.S. copyright/trademark law.
The reason street vendors can use trademarked logos is because it's arguably parody / fair use, but as a practical matter the real reason is Starbucks isn't going to take the time to sue every random guy on Canal Street making a Starf*cks t-shirt. But I guarantee you that if a major coffee shop chain started using a logo that was 75% of the Starbucks logo they would be sued for copyright and trademark infringement.
They reference a "line of outwear"? I was expecting to see his signature style printed all over. But the lockup referenced is a bit of a reach imo. Plus you only have to alter an original design by 25% to be considered unique in the eyes of the law. Hence why all those venders can use trademarked logos on their witty gag gift t-shirts. Where did you get that 25% rule from? I don't think it's true. At least not in U.S. copyright/trademark law. The reason street vendors can use trademarked logos is because it's arguably parody / fair use, but as a practical matter the real reason is Starbucks isn't going to take the time to sue every random guy on Canal Street making a Starf*cks t-shirt. But I guarantee you that if a major coffee shop chain started using a logo that was 75% of the Starbucks logo they would be sued for copyright and trademark infringement. |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Riotcops on Jan 14, 2021 21:36:58 GMT 1, They reference a "line of outwear"? I was expecting to see his signature style printed all over. But the lockup referenced is a bit of a reach imo. Plus you only have to alter an original design by 25% to be considered unique in the eyes of the law. Hence why all those venders can use trademarked logos on their witty gag gift t-shirts. Where did you get that 25% rule from? I don't think it's true. At least not in U.S. copyright/trademark law. The reason street vendors can use trademarked logos is because it's arguably parody / fair use, but as a practical matter the real reason is Starbucks isn't going to take the time to sue every random guy on Canal Street making a Starf*cks t-shirt. But I guarantee you that if a major coffee shop chain started using a logo that was 75% of the Starbucks logo they would be sued for copyright and trademark infringement.
You must not be familiar with Dumb Starbucks! www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/12/dumb-starbucks-trademark-lawyer
Also a slew of other trademark infringement that was dismissed for Starbucks alone. www.darts-ip.com/starbucks-logo-battle/
They reference a "line of outwear"? I was expecting to see his signature style printed all over. But the lockup referenced is a bit of a reach imo. Plus you only have to alter an original design by 25% to be considered unique in the eyes of the law. Hence why all those venders can use trademarked logos on their witty gag gift t-shirts. Where did you get that 25% rule from? I don't think it's true. At least not in U.S. copyright/trademark law. The reason street vendors can use trademarked logos is because it's arguably parody / fair use, but as a practical matter the real reason is Starbucks isn't going to take the time to sue every random guy on Canal Street making a Starf*cks t-shirt. But I guarantee you that if a major coffee shop chain started using a logo that was 75% of the Starbucks logo they would be sued for copyright and trademark infringement. I work in the creative industry. Its more a rough rule, I think its actually the 30% rule - though its also a bit of a falsehood as we would never actually be taking a copywrite protected work and altering it. I believe the actual laws are pretty vague, it has to change 'enough' from its original form - but that is up to interpretation. You must not be familiar with Dumb Starbucks! www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/12/dumb-starbucks-trademark-lawyerAlso a slew of other trademark infringement that was dismissed for Starbucks alone. www.darts-ip.com/starbucks-logo-battle/ |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by macfuton on Jan 14, 2021 23:07:50 GMT 1, I got this from book depository:
-Hi. When can I expect to receive the book?
++I am unable to confirm a dispatch date due to some difficulties in trying to obtain stock of this from our suppliers.
Please confirm how you wish to proceed?
-I'm happy to wait assuming it will be dispatched at some point.
++Thank you for your patience.
All the best with the delivery of your order.
Take care
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I got this from book depository:
-Hi. When can I expect to receive the book?
++I am unable to confirm a dispatch date due to some difficulties in trying to obtain stock of this from our suppliers.
Please confirm how you wish to proceed?
-I'm happy to wait assuming it will be dispatched at some point.
++Thank you for your patience.
All the best with the delivery of your order.
Take care
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Skizz 82 on Jan 14, 2021 23:19:54 GMT 1, at some point all of us who have purchased on BD should convince ourselves that life goes on....
at some point all of us who have purchased on BD should convince ourselves that life goes on.... |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by JW on Jan 14, 2021 23:41:48 GMT 1, at some point all of us who have purchased on BD should convince ourselves that life goes on....
I finally gave up and asked for a refund a couple of weeks ago. I don't think I've ever seen a company so happy to oblige.
at some point all of us who have purchased on BD should convince ourselves that life goes on.... I finally gave up and asked for a refund a couple of weeks ago. I don't think I've ever seen a company so happy to oblige. |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by dani on Jan 15, 2021 9:31:16 GMT 1, Where did you get that 25% rule from? I don't think it's true. At least not in U.S. copyright/trademark law. The reason street vendors can use trademarked logos is because it's arguably parody / fair use, but as a practical matter the real reason is Starbucks isn't going to take the time to sue every random guy on Canal Street making a Starf*cks t-shirt. But I guarantee you that if a major coffee shop chain started using a logo that was 75% of the Starbucks logo they would be sued for copyright and trademark infringement. I work in the creative industry. Its more a rough rule, I think its actually the 30% rule - though its also a bit of a falsehood as we would never actually be taking a copywrite protected work and altering it. I believe the actual laws are pretty vague, it has to change 'enough' from its original form - but that is up to interpretation. You must not be familiar with Dumb Starbucks! www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/12/dumb-starbucks-trademark-lawyerAlso a slew of other trademark infringement that was dismissed for Starbucks alone. www.darts-ip.com/starbucks-logo-battle/
I think the first article actually illustrates a couple of my points. It discusses parody and fair use, and also explains that the decision by Starbucks not to sue was largely a pragmatic one. If rather than a parody lasting a few days someone had tried to establish an ongoing, legitimate, profit-driven coffee shop chain called Dumb Starbucks, I guarantee Starbucks would sue and win.
As to those lawsuits in the second link, I'm not familiar with Korean, Japanese, or Indian IP law. The Starpreya logo in particular is fairly egregious and I'm confident would not survive a trademark infringement lawsuit in the U.S.
Where did you get that 25% rule from? I don't think it's true. At least not in U.S. copyright/trademark law. The reason street vendors can use trademarked logos is because it's arguably parody / fair use, but as a practical matter the real reason is Starbucks isn't going to take the time to sue every random guy on Canal Street making a Starf*cks t-shirt. But I guarantee you that if a major coffee shop chain started using a logo that was 75% of the Starbucks logo they would be sued for copyright and trademark infringement. I work in the creative industry. Its more a rough rule, I think its actually the 30% rule - though its also a bit of a falsehood as we would never actually be taking a copywrite protected work and altering it. I believe the actual laws are pretty vague, it has to change 'enough' from its original form - but that is up to interpretation. You must not be familiar with Dumb Starbucks! www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/12/dumb-starbucks-trademark-lawyerAlso a slew of other trademark infringement that was dismissed for Starbucks alone. www.darts-ip.com/starbucks-logo-battle/I think the first article actually illustrates a couple of my points. It discusses parody and fair use, and also explains that the decision by Starbucks not to sue was largely a pragmatic one. If rather than a parody lasting a few days someone had tried to establish an ongoing, legitimate, profit-driven coffee shop chain called Dumb Starbucks, I guarantee Starbucks would sue and win. As to those lawsuits in the second link, I'm not familiar with Korean, Japanese, or Indian IP law. The Starpreya logo in particular is fairly egregious and I'm confident would not survive a trademark infringement lawsuit in the U.S. |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by coller on Jan 15, 2021 14:37:55 GMT 1, Seems like a stretch to me.
Seems like a stretch to me.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by eldukerman 212 on Jan 15, 2021 17:05:20 GMT 1, I agree he is never in it for the money and just protecting his IP and the artist community as a whole. Hereโs a little of his side in the NY Post today:
pagesix.com/2021/01/15/graffiti-great-futura-sues-north-face/
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by lab001 on Jan 15, 2021 18:15:13 GMT 1,
Woah. Bought one thinking it will never get through but I just got tracking. Thanks!!!
Woah. Bought one thinking it will never get through but I just got tracking. Thanks!!! |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by iamzero on Jan 15, 2021 18:29:30 GMT 1, FutureLight on itโs own shouldnโt be a problem for The North Face.
The Atom on itโs own shouldnโt be a problem either?
Putting them together is very naive on the designers part as I canโt imagine anyone that high up in a creative industry that wouldnโt at least be aware of Futura.
FutureLight on itโs own shouldnโt be a problem for The North Face.
The Atom on itโs own shouldnโt be a problem either?
Putting them together is very naive on the designers part as I canโt imagine anyone that high up in a creative industry that wouldnโt at least be aware of Futura.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by eldukerman 212 on Jan 15, 2021 19:38:01 GMT 1, "Futura has collaborated with the outdoor brand in the past..." So he is happy to make money off the back of North Face when it suits him; but not when he wont make any money.ย How does that tie in with your comment "he is never in it for the money"? ย On a more general note, doesn't everybody rip off everybody else on the urban art scene? ย (think Mickey Mouse, Simpsons, Warner Brothers cartoons, Pink Panther, etc. etc. etc.) ย The list is almost endless.ย
because they worked together in the past doesnt give them the right to use his design in perpetuity. and when he was actually contracted with them, he has creative oversight to use his name/likeleness how he wants. completely different.
"Futura has collaborated with the outdoor brand in the past..." So he is happy to make money off the back of North Face when it suits him; but not when he wont make any money.ย How does that tie in with your comment "he is never in it for the money"? ย On a more general note, doesn't everybody rip off everybody else on the urban art scene? ย (think Mickey Mouse, Simpsons, Warner Brothers cartoons, Pink Panther, etc. etc. etc.) ย The list is almost endless.ย because they worked together in the past doesnt give them the right to use his design in perpetuity. and when he was actually contracted with them, he has creative oversight to use his name/likeleness how he wants. completely different. |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by unkle77 on Jan 16, 2021 0:51:59 GMT 1, their logo certainly made me think of Futura. but knowing his work and seeing the logo, i would assume this has No affiliation as it is not exactly like his signature but that's me. maybe some similarity in that how Mr. Brainwash takes a photo of someone else and filters it a bit and sell it as his own, maybe some inspiration but not a mm x mm copy.
their logo certainly made me think of Futura. but knowing his work and seeing the logo, i would assume this has No affiliation as it is not exactly like his signature but that's me. maybe some similarity in that how Mr. Brainwash takes a photo of someone else and filters it a bit and sell it as his own, maybe some inspiration but not a mm x mm copy.
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Someones Brain on Jan 16, 2021 1:07:16 GMT 1, There are probably some physics and chemistry nobel prize winners who could sue Futura for the commercial use of their original atom modell? Or the institution that runs the Atomium in Belgium?  This is hilarious ... and rather disappointing on Futura's side. And I say that as an admirer of his art and his achievements for the strert art scene.
There are probably some physics and chemistry nobel prize winners who could sue Futura for the commercial use of their original atom modell? Or the institution that runs the Atomium in Belgium? This is hilarious ... and rather disappointing on Futura's side. And I say that as an admirer of his art and his achievements for the strert art scene. |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Yeah Yeah Yeah Round2 on Jan 16, 2021 6:35:04 GMT 1, FutureLight on itโs own shouldnโt be a problem for The North Face. The Atom on itโs own shouldnโt be a problem either? Putting them together is very naive on the designers part as I canโt imagine anyone that high up in a creative industry that wouldnโt at least be aware of Futura.
FutureLight or FuturaLabs - his team is trying to resurrect his old brand and he would most definitely like to tap into the JDSports market.
FutureLight on itโs own shouldnโt be a problem for The North Face. The Atom on itโs own shouldnโt be a problem either? Putting them together is very naive on the designers part as I canโt imagine anyone that high up in a creative industry that wouldnโt at least be aware of Futura. FutureLight or FuturaLabs - his team is trying to resurrect his old brand and he would most definitely like to tap into the JDSports market. |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by flatcolor on Jan 16, 2021 8:09:55 GMT 1, It's his brand, his right to take the steps he(or his team) deem prudent to protect it.
He's not some new jack on the scene, he is building a legacy and the problem that has been around graffiti for FAR too long is that people don't give it(or the artists) the respect it deserves.
Corporate entity after entity has tried to make money off of the back of it(graffiti) for street cred or the cool factor, but if any artist tries to stand their ground it's selling out or some bullshit like that.
As far as this comment someone else posted above "On a more general note, doesn't everybody rip off everybody else on the urban art scene?"
No, everybody doesn't rip off everyone. Toys and clowns rip people off.
People rip off Futura because he is an original
It's his brand, his right to take the steps he(or his team) deem prudent to protect it.
He's not some new jack on the scene, he is building a legacy and the problem that has been around graffiti for FAR too long is that people don't give it(or the artists) the respect it deserves.
Corporate entity after entity has tried to make money off of the back of it(graffiti) for street cred or the cool factor, but if any artist tries to stand their ground it's selling out or some bullshit like that.
As far as this comment someone else posted above "On a more general note, doesn't everybody rip off everybody else on the urban art scene?"
No, everybody doesn't rip off everyone. Toys and clowns rip people off.
People rip off Futura because he is an original
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by Francis on Jan 17, 2021 18:40:17 GMT 1, It's MSRP in US$. Amazon was less. $249.27 plus tax. Yeah I remembered right then. The book is nice but the whole soap opera made me decide to cancel the order.
It's MSRP in US$. Amazon was less. $249.27 plus tax. Yeah I remembered right then. The book is nice but the whole soap opera made me decide to cancel the order. You are SOOO EMO |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by hellfo on Jan 19, 2021 14:18:10 GMT 1, Not bad!
Not bad! |
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Futura ๐บ๐ธ Leonard Hilton McGurr โข New York Graffiti Artist, by The Italian One on Jan 19, 2021 14:28:07 GMT 1, Not bad!
e anche un bel colore
Not bad! ce l'hai fatta e anche un bel colore |
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This is hilarious ... and rather disappointing on Futura's side. And I say that as an admirer of his art and his achievements for the strert art scene.
