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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Winter on Oct 20, 2015 7:11:19 GMT 1, First one to come with conditions of sale pretty much preventing anyone from selling it. Not sure how enforceable that is
First one to come with conditions of sale pretty much preventing anyone from selling it. Not sure how enforceable that is
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by trapnel1 on Oct 20, 2015 8:14:42 GMT 1, First one to come with conditions of sale pretty much preventing anyone from selling it. Not sure how enforceable that is All I have been sent at the moment in terms of conditions is the following:
"Our offer is subject to the following:
- You may only order one of each print; - The print(s) are for personal use and may not be traded through, or purchased for, a third party. - We retain the right to revoke your order at any time prior to delivery of the print(s)."
First one to come with conditions of sale pretty much preventing anyone from selling it. Not sure how enforceable that is All I have been sent at the moment in terms of conditions is the following: "Our offer is subject to the following: - You may only order one of each print; - The print(s) are for personal use and may not be traded through, or purchased for, a third party. - We retain the right to revoke your order at any time prior to delivery of the print(s)."
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Poster Bob on Oct 20, 2015 9:37:15 GMT 1, The conditions of sale are set to prevent people buying stock for galleries. They state nothing about resale for genuine, private collectors.
I've just received an email from the gallery and I'm going to pick mine up on Saturday.
The conditions of sale are set to prevent people buying stock for galleries. They state nothing about resale for genuine, private collectors.
I've just received an email from the gallery and I'm going to pick mine up on Saturday.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Tommy Tucker on Oct 20, 2015 15:29:24 GMT 1, Mine is in the bag and on its way. 10-15 days and it will be all mine. Maw ha ha...
Mine is in the bag and on its way. 10-15 days and it will be all mine. Maw ha ha...
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Strange Al on Oct 20, 2015 22:21:27 GMT 1, The conditions of sale are set to prevent people buying stock for galleries. They state nothing about resale for genuine, private collectors.
Bob - take another look at the conditions of sale.
Winter - you raise an interesting question about enforceability (both as a matter of law and practically). Guess we'll see in due course - don't imagine all the buyers are purchasing for their "own personal enjoyment".
The conditions of sale are set to prevent people buying stock for galleries. They state nothing about resale for genuine, private collectors. Bob - take another look at the conditions of sale. Winter - you raise an interesting question about enforceability (both as a matter of law and practically). Guess we'll see in due course - don't imagine all the buyers are purchasing for their "own personal enjoyment".
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Poster Bob on Oct 21, 2015 11:12:17 GMT 1, The conditions of sale are set to prevent people buying stock for galleries. They state nothing about resale for genuine, private collectors. Bob - take another look at the conditions of sale. Winter - you raise an interesting question about enforceability (both as a matter of law and practically). Guess we'll see in due course - don't imagine all the buyers are purchasing for their "own personal enjoyment". They're clear as day to me, so I can't for the life of me understood why you're suggesting I take another look. You can't purchase them on behalf of a third party. That has nothing to do with resale.
The conditions of sale are set to prevent people buying stock for galleries. They state nothing about resale for genuine, private collectors. Bob - take another look at the conditions of sale. Winter - you raise an interesting question about enforceability (both as a matter of law and practically). Guess we'll see in due course - don't imagine all the buyers are purchasing for their "own personal enjoyment". They're clear as day to me, so I can't for the life of me understood why you're suggesting I take another look. You can't purchase them on behalf of a third party. That has nothing to do with resale.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by trapnel1 on Oct 21, 2015 13:02:39 GMT 1, Bob - take another look at the conditions of sale. Winter - you raise an interesting question about enforceability (both as a matter of law and practically). Guess we'll see in due course - don't imagine all the buyers are purchasing for their "own personal enjoyment". They're clear as day to me, so I can't for the life of me understood why you're suggesting I take another look. You can't purchase them on behalf of a third party. That has nothing to do with resale. Terms and conditions are interesting. " Specifically, you may not sell or offer for sale the Artwork on any internet based auction or other website. " Carefully worded. Whether or not this could be / will be enforced is a separate issue. I don't think these are new conditions, and apply to all of their prints. I have purchased a few over the years, but haven't attempted to sell any yet. I think the same T&Cs applied to the Ai Wei Wei Serpentine print, and a few seem to have sold (including on here) over the years without any problems......
Bob - take another look at the conditions of sale. Winter - you raise an interesting question about enforceability (both as a matter of law and practically). Guess we'll see in due course - don't imagine all the buyers are purchasing for their "own personal enjoyment". They're clear as day to me, so I can't for the life of me understood why you're suggesting I take another look. You can't purchase them on behalf of a third party. That has nothing to do with resale. Terms and conditions are interesting. " Specifically, you may not sell or offer for sale the Artwork on any internet based auction or other website. " Carefully worded. Whether or not this could be / will be enforced is a separate issue. I don't think these are new conditions, and apply to all of their prints. I have purchased a few over the years, but haven't attempted to sell any yet. I think the same T&Cs applied to the Ai Wei Wei Serpentine print, and a few seem to have sold (including on here) over the years without any problems......
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by samfrost on Oct 21, 2015 13:29:47 GMT 1, Hard to enforce, but galleries can and do refuse to sell to known flippers.
There is some case law in the USA regarding these clauses. However, actual enforcement is another issue.
www.artnet.com/magazineus/news/spencer/spencers-art-law-journal-9-2-11.asp
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Poster Bob on Oct 21, 2015 14:37:17 GMT 1, They're clear as day to me, so I can't for the life of me understood why you're suggesting I take another look. You can't purchase them on behalf of a third party. That has nothing to do with resale. Terms and conditions are interesting. " Specifically, you may not sell or offer for sale the Artwork on any internet based auction or other website. " Carefully worded. Whether or not this could be / will be enforced is a separate issue. I don't think these are new conditions, and apply to all of their prints. I have purchased a few over the years, but haven't attempted to sell any yet. I think the same T&Cs applied to the Ai Wei Wei Serpentine print, and a few seem to have sold (including on here) over the years without any problems...... Ah ok, I was going on what was posted above which was clearly an annotated version. I cannot see them ever trying to enforce that and the second these are confirmed as sold out the galleries will be lining up to sell them on Artnet and Paddle 8.
They're clear as day to me, so I can't for the life of me understood why you're suggesting I take another look. You can't purchase them on behalf of a third party. That has nothing to do with resale. Terms and conditions are interesting. " Specifically, you may not sell or offer for sale the Artwork on any internet based auction or other website. " Carefully worded. Whether or not this could be / will be enforced is a separate issue. I don't think these are new conditions, and apply to all of their prints. I have purchased a few over the years, but haven't attempted to sell any yet. I think the same T&Cs applied to the Ai Wei Wei Serpentine print, and a few seem to have sold (including on here) over the years without any problems...... Ah ok, I was going on what was posted above which was clearly an annotated version. I cannot see them ever trying to enforce that and the second these are confirmed as sold out the galleries will be lining up to sell them on Artnet and Paddle 8.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Poster Bob on Oct 21, 2015 15:50:00 GMT 1, Ah ok, I was going on what was posted above which was clearly an annotated version. I cannot see them ever trying to enforce that and the second these are confirmed as sold out the galleries will be lining up to sell them on Artnet and Paddle 8. Really can't see this happening with these. It's a Richter but not very Richter. That's what I said about P1 & P2 before they broke Β£40k. His market is ludicrous in my opinion and he is a master of many styles; personally, I prefer his painted photo works like Uncle Rudi.
Ah ok, I was going on what was posted above which was clearly an annotated version. I cannot see them ever trying to enforce that and the second these are confirmed as sold out the galleries will be lining up to sell them on Artnet and Paddle 8. Really can't see this happening with these. It's a Richter but not very Richter. That's what I said about P1 & P2 before they broke Β£40k. His market is ludicrous in my opinion and he is a master of many styles; personally, I prefer his painted photo works like Uncle Rudi.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by New Art Editions on Oct 21, 2015 16:08:47 GMT 1, Terms and conditions are interesting. " Specifically, you may not sell or offer for sale the Artwork on any internet based auction or other website. " Carefully worded. Whether or not this could be / will be enforced is a separate issue. I don't think these are new conditions, and apply to all of their prints. I have purchased a few over the years, but haven't attempted to sell any yet. I think the same T&Cs applied to the Ai Wei Wei Serpentine print, and a few seem to have sold (including on here) over the years without any problems...... Ah ok, I was going on what was posted above which was clearly an annotated version. I cannot see them ever trying to enforce that and the second these are confirmed as sold out the galleries will be lining up to sell them on Artnet and Paddle 8. Camden Arts and Nottingham Contemporary sold their Glenn Ligon editions under the same signed for conditions. It is a fact that at least 2 lots (Artnet and Phillips) were withdrawn by force. Do feel the force ...
Terms and conditions are interesting. " Specifically, you may not sell or offer for sale the Artwork on any internet based auction or other website. " Carefully worded. Whether or not this could be / will be enforced is a separate issue. I don't think these are new conditions, and apply to all of their prints. I have purchased a few over the years, but haven't attempted to sell any yet. I think the same T&Cs applied to the Ai Wei Wei Serpentine print, and a few seem to have sold (including on here) over the years without any problems...... Ah ok, I was going on what was posted above which was clearly an annotated version. I cannot see them ever trying to enforce that and the second these are confirmed as sold out the galleries will be lining up to sell them on Artnet and Paddle 8. Camden Arts and Nottingham Contemporary sold their Glenn Ligon editions under the same signed for conditions. It is a fact that at least 2 lots (Artnet and Phillips) were withdrawn by force. Do feel the force ...
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by trapnel1 on Oct 21, 2015 16:35:53 GMT 1, Β [/quote]Camden Arts and Nottingham Contemporary sold their Glenn Ligon editions under the same signed for conditions. It is a fact that at least 2 lots (Artnet and Phillips) were withdrawn by force. Do feel the force ... [/quote]
I have never been asked to sign any conditions, though I've never given them any cause for concern. I wonder if they ask some buyers to sign something?
Β [/quote]Camden Arts and Nottingham Contemporary sold their Glenn Ligon editions under the same signed for conditions. It is a fact that at least 2 lots (Artnet and Phillips) were withdrawn by force. Do feel the force ... [/quote]
I have never been asked to sign any conditions, though I've never given them any cause for concern. I wonder if they ask some buyers to sign something?
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Happy Shopper on Oct 21, 2015 16:42:24 GMT 1, I have never been asked to sign any conditions, though I've never given them any cause for concern. I wonder if they ask some buyers to sign something?
I think just by buying you are agreeing to their terms of sale.
I have never been asked to sign any conditions, though I've never given them any cause for concern. I wonder if they ask some buyers to sign something? I think just by buying you are agreeing to their terms of sale.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Poster Bob on Oct 24, 2015 16:43:07 GMT 1, I picked mine up today; I think they look great. It's great to get something that's ready for hanging without any additional cost.
I picked mine up today; I think they look great. It's great to get something that's ready for hanging without any additional cost.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by john1539 on Oct 28, 2015 8:50:48 GMT 1, Hi posterbob can you show us some images of your Richter?
Hi posterbob can you show us some images of your Richter?
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Poster Bob on Oct 28, 2015 10:33:06 GMT 1, It looks exactly the same as the images on the site.
It looks exactly the same as the images on the site.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Tommy Tucker on Nov 3, 2015 12:18:54 GMT 1, Mine came through today and was extremely well packaged. Very happy
Mine came through today and was extremely well packaged. Very happy
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Poster Bob on Nov 3, 2015 13:21:10 GMT 1, I was told earlier in the wekk that they're sold out but the Serpentine shop website doesn't corroborate that claim.
I was told earlier in the wekk that they're sold out but the Serpentine shop website doesn't corroborate that claim.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by john1539 on Nov 5, 2015 10:06:00 GMT 1, Hi, thanks for the update. I am waiting mine...
Hi, thanks for the update. I am waiting mine...
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Winter on Nov 11, 2015 9:07:23 GMT 1, One on eBay with very clear details of the seller. Obviously not fussed about the agreement
One on eBay with very clear details of the seller. Obviously not fussed about the agreement
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Poster Bob on Nov 11, 2015 10:27:26 GMT 1, No one is going to get harassed over the sale of a Richter on Ebay.
No one is going to get harassed over the sale of a Richter on Ebay.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Kawsisking on Nov 12, 2015 7:34:14 GMT 1, There is no terms and conditions except: I confirm that the print(s) are for personal use and not be traded through, or purchased for, a third party.
There is no terms and conditions except: I confirm that the print(s) are for personal use and not be traded through, or purchased for, a third party.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Kawsisking on Nov 12, 2015 16:14:11 GMT 1, Wow, didn't see that. No way it is enforced. I assume they have always had this up, but people are selling their P8-P12 left and right.
Wow, didn't see that. No way it is enforced. I assume they have always had this up, but people are selling their P8-P12 left and right.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Kawsisking on Nov 16, 2015 17:03:58 GMT 1, Guardian edit : 11 Kawsisking How many times? - you are more than welcome to PM the guy but please don't attempt to bypass the rules or you wont be permitted to raise any sales threads
Guardian edit : 11 KawsiskingHow many times? - you are more than welcome to PM the guy but please don't attempt to bypass the rules or you wont be permitted to raise any sales threads
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by dreadnatty on Dec 23, 2015 17:23:38 GMT 1, Richter Says He's Shocked by the State of the Art Market
news.artnet.com/people/gerhard-richter-criticizes-art-market-398694?utm_content=bufferfae5a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=socialmedia
The most expensive living artist in Europe, Gerhard Richter, criticized the art market and denounced the hype surrounding contemporary artists, including himself, as a βcult of personality."
Speaking to the German weekly Die Zeit, the 83-year-old painter said the exorbitant prices his artworks achieve at auction were proof of how βinsanely the art market has developed," and how the prices have nothing to do with the work.
He expressed his disbelief at the fact that even his signed postcards were being sold on the market and fetching high prices, calling it a βfrightening development."
In a previous interview with Die Zeit in March, Richter spoke about the record-breaking $46.3 million sale of his painting Abstraktes Bild (1986), making him one of the most expensive European artists of 2015.
βI am startled [by record prices] even though it's nice, good news. The sum however has something shocking. You know the whole art market is hopelessly excessive [β¦] it is incomprehensible, as incomprehensible to me as Chinese or physics."
He explained that there was a large disparity between quality and price in the art market, citing the $31.7 million sale of his own painting Domplatz, Mailand (1968) as an example.
I found it odd," he said. βI don't think it's so great, although it inspired me to make many other city pictures. When I heard how much it cost at auction, I thought, oh, that is totally overpriced."
He went on to label the increasing importance of auctions in the art market as βpretty shocking."
Richter said βWhen you look at the catalogs which are becoming increasingly terrible you wouldn't believe what nonsense is being offered at prices that continue to climb upwards. For serious galleries the business is consequently becoming even more difficult."
The artist also had something to say about Germany's controversial cultural protection legislation amendment. βThe idea of holding on to [important artworks] is nice, but completely outdated," Richter said. βIt really doesn't matter whether the Mona Lisa hangs in Paris or in Rome as long as it can be viewed by the public and everything possible is done to preserve it."
Richter has been a vocal critic of the German government's plans and even joined fellow artist and compatriot Georg Baselitz in threatening to pull his loaned works from German museums should the government go ahead with the plans.
Richter Says He's Shocked by the State of the Art Market news.artnet.com/people/gerhard-richter-criticizes-art-market-398694?utm_content=bufferfae5a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=socialmediaThe most expensive living artist in Europe, Gerhard Richter, criticized the art market and denounced the hype surrounding contemporary artists, including himself, as a βcult of personality." Speaking to the German weekly Die Zeit, the 83-year-old painter said the exorbitant prices his artworks achieve at auction were proof of how βinsanely the art market has developed," and how the prices have nothing to do with the work. He expressed his disbelief at the fact that even his signed postcards were being sold on the market and fetching high prices, calling it a βfrightening development." In a previous interview with Die Zeit in March, Richter spoke about the record-breaking $46.3 million sale of his painting Abstraktes Bild (1986), making him one of the most expensive European artists of 2015. βI am startled [by record prices] even though it's nice, good news. The sum however has something shocking. You know the whole art market is hopelessly excessive [β¦] it is incomprehensible, as incomprehensible to me as Chinese or physics." He explained that there was a large disparity between quality and price in the art market, citing the $31.7 million sale of his own painting Domplatz, Mailand (1968) as an example. I found it odd," he said. βI don't think it's so great, although it inspired me to make many other city pictures. When I heard how much it cost at auction, I thought, oh, that is totally overpriced." He went on to label the increasing importance of auctions in the art market as βpretty shocking." Richter said βWhen you look at the catalogs which are becoming increasingly terrible you wouldn't believe what nonsense is being offered at prices that continue to climb upwards. For serious galleries the business is consequently becoming even more difficult." The artist also had something to say about Germany's controversial cultural protection legislation amendment. βThe idea of holding on to [important artworks] is nice, but completely outdated," Richter said. βIt really doesn't matter whether the Mona Lisa hangs in Paris or in Rome as long as it can be viewed by the public and everything possible is done to preserve it." Richter has been a vocal critic of the German government's plans and even joined fellow artist and compatriot Georg Baselitz in threatening to pull his loaned works from German museums should the government go ahead with the plans.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Amber Halo on Dec 23, 2015 17:26:55 GMT 1, Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 18:13:37 GMT 1, I'll take one off him at cost if he's that upset.
I'll take one off him at cost if he's that upset.
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 18:21:38 GMT 1,
I know how he feels
I know how he feels
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Gerhard Richter π©πͺ Abstract, Contemporary Art, New Release, by Dungle on Dec 23, 2015 19:31:15 GMT 1, Pretty gutting if you're the buyer of Domplatz!
Pretty gutting if you're the buyer of Domplatz!
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