Lazarus II
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Lazarus II on Jan 4, 2021 18:19:27 GMT 1, I would expect they have taken legal advice on this and even Lionel Hutz, Attorney At Law would advise his client to stop posting on here. For sure but they could post that rather than you speculate that is happeningย and you think if they did that that it would placate those with pitchfork in hand ?
I would expect they have taken legal advice on this and even Lionel Hutz, Attorney At Law would advise his client to stop posting on here. For sure but they could post that rather than you speculate that is happeningย and you think if they did that that it would placate those with pitchfork in hand ?
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gimmeabreak
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by gimmeabreak on Jan 4, 2021 18:22:59 GMT 1, Why take TW's side on this? This reeks of shite. They sold fake works and then went radio silent once they were found out.
They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt at all here. This is a joke.
Why take TW's side on this? This reeks of shite. They sold fake works and then went radio silent once they were found out.
They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt at all here. This is a joke.
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Lazarus II
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Lazarus II on Jan 4, 2021 18:30:13 GMT 1, Why take TW's side on this? This reeks of shite. They sold fake works and then went radio silent once they were found out. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt at all here. This is a joke. Iโm speculating that you are implying that Iโm taking TWโs side, thats not the case. Nomatter how this pans out for TW and the folks who have purchased fakes, this is a total clusterfck.
Im just saying that I would expect that TW would have taken legal advice on this and any two boab lawyer would tell them to stop posting on an internet forum.
Why take TW's side on this? This reeks of shite. They sold fake works and then went radio silent once they were found out. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt at all here. This is a joke. Iโm speculating that you are implying that Iโm taking TWโs side, thats not the case. Nomatter how this pans out for TW and the folks who have purchased fakes, this is a total clusterfck. Im just saying that I would expect that TW would have taken legal advice on this and any two boab lawyer would tell them to stop posting on an internet forum.
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jamieb
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by jamieb on Jan 4, 2021 18:35:17 GMT 1, I think most people want to give TW the benefit of the doubt however they certainly need to be a bit more forthcoming in regards to action taken against the perpetrators, how successful they have been in compensating buyers etc.. no news in this case is certainly not good news and certainly sows seeds that they themselves are complicit in the fraud.
Refunding yes, compensating, NOPE.
Complicit ฬ\_(ใ)_/ ฬ
I think most people want to give TW the benefit of the doubt however they certainly need to be a bit more forthcoming in regards to action taken against the perpetrators, how successful they have been in compensating buyers etc.. no news in this case is certainly not good news and certainly sows seeds that they themselves are complicit in the fraud. Refunding yes, compensating, NOPE. Complicit ฬ\_(ใ)_/ ฬ
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gimmeabreak
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by gimmeabreak on Jan 4, 2021 18:36:27 GMT 1, Why take TW's side on this? This reeks of shite. They sold fake works and then went radio silent once they were found out. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt at all here. This is a joke. Iโm speculating that you are implying that Iโm taking TWโs side, thats not the case. Nomatter how this pans out for TW and the folks who have purchased fakes, this is a total clusterfck. Im just saying that I would expect that TW would have taken legal advice on this and any two boab lawyer would tell them to stop posting on an internet forum. You are defending their actions, and I do not see the benefit of that. I do not think your defense is rational either. I think TW fucked up and their silence is indefensible.
Any 'two boab lawyer' would tell them that they are allowed to tell their clients/buyers/etc. that they are in the midst of a legal battle and cannot disclose any further information. Any person running a business would realize this is a common sense thing to do to keep the buyer pool updated on the current clusterfuck situation. TW has not done that.
Why take TW's side on this? This reeks of shite. They sold fake works and then went radio silent once they were found out. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt at all here. This is a joke. Iโm speculating that you are implying that Iโm taking TWโs side, thats not the case. Nomatter how this pans out for TW and the folks who have purchased fakes, this is a total clusterfck. Im just saying that I would expect that TW would have taken legal advice on this and any two boab lawyer would tell them to stop posting on an internet forum. You are defending their actions, and I do not see the benefit of that. I do not think your defense is rational either. I think TW fucked up and their silence is indefensible. Any 'two boab lawyer' would tell them that they are allowed to tell their clients/buyers/etc. that they are in the midst of a legal battle and cannot disclose any further information. Any person running a business would realize this is a common sense thing to do to keep the buyer pool updated on the current clusterfuck situation. TW has not done that.
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artmonster
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by artmonster on Jan 4, 2021 18:41:10 GMT 1, Well, my opinion is: - I was approached by TW regarding one of my Banksyโs. He seemed professional and friendly, but (in hindsight) gave advice that was incorrect (possibly to tempt me to sell). That was not a great memory, I donโt like being pushed... - where there is smoke (a lot of smoke), there is often a fire. It doesnโt really matter whether they respond here or not. Would it make a difference to your perception, really?
So, my reasoning would be: stay away BUT that doesnโt mean you canโt redeem yourself. I firmly believe in second chances...it just takes time.
Well, my opinion is: - I was approached by TW regarding one of my Banksyโs. He seemed professional and friendly, but (in hindsight) gave advice that was incorrect (possibly to tempt me to sell). That was not a great memory, I donโt like being pushed... - where there is smoke (a lot of smoke), there is often a fire. It doesnโt really matter whether they respond here or not. Would it make a difference to your perception, really?
So, my reasoning would be: stay away BUT that doesnโt mean you canโt redeem yourself. I firmly believe in second chances...it just takes time.
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Lazarus II
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Lazarus II on Jan 4, 2021 18:48:34 GMT 1, I havent defended their actions at all. Iโve said i expect that theyโll have taken legal advice and I would think a lawyer would advise them not to post any more on an internet forum, particularly a forum in which some of their own previous posts dont do them any favours.
I havent defended their actions at all. Iโve said i expect that theyโll have taken legal advice and I would think a lawyer would advise them not to post any more on an internet forum, particularly a forum in which some of their own previous posts dont do them any favours.
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orenic
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by orenic on Jan 4, 2021 20:17:33 GMT 1, I think most people want to give TW the benefit of the doubt however they certainly need to be a bit more forthcoming in regards to action taken against the perpetrators, how successful they have been in compensating buyers etc.. no news in this case is certainly not good news and certainly sows seeds that they themselves are complicit in the fraud. I would expect they have taken legal advice on this and even Lionel Hutz, Attorney At Law would advise his client to stop posting on here.
Well if thatโs the case they should never be allowed on here to try and drum up business for any future fraudulent sales. I think thatโs more than fair !!
I think most people want to give TW the benefit of the doubt however they certainly need to be a bit more forthcoming in regards to action taken against the perpetrators, how successful they have been in compensating buyers etc.. no news in this case is certainly not good news and certainly sows seeds that they themselves are complicit in the fraud. I would expect they have taken legal advice on this and even Lionel Hutz, Attorney At Law would advise his client to stop posting on here. Well if thatโs the case they should never be allowed on here to try and drum up business for any future fraudulent sales. I think thatโs more than fair !!
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artmonster
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by artmonster on Jan 4, 2021 20:18:41 GMT 1, Who said life was fair...
Who said life was fair...
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tab1
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by tab1 on Jan 4, 2021 21:07:36 GMT 1, Police action is only taken if A buyer is not refunded and action raised by the buyer Shown on here by this thread everyone is happy with their refunds including the person that raised the issue and none have taken no further action , presumably if they keep quiet it will all blow over as already shown the Warhol items may be effected , a full investigation may spread to many other items / artists being counterfeit . Shown already they had a great market and much more to come if they carry out a full independent investigation to clear them of any wrongdoing it may help them to retrieve that market
Police action is only taken if A buyer is not refunded and action raised by the buyer Shown on here by this thread everyone is happy with their refunds including the person that raised the issue and none have taken no further action , presumably if they keep quiet it will all blow over as already shown the Warhol items may be effected , a full investigation may spread to many other items / artists being counterfeit . Shown already they had a great market and much more to come if they carry out a full independent investigation to clear them of any wrongdoing it may help them to retrieve that market
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by overend on Jan 4, 2021 21:27:53 GMT 1, Police action is only taken if A buyer is not refunded and action raised by the buyer Shown on here by this thread everyone is happy with their refunds including the person that raised the issue and none have taken no further action , presumably if they keep quiet it will all blow over as already shown the Warhol items may be effected , a full investigation may spread to many other items / artists being counterfeit . Shown already they had a great market and much more to come if they carry out a full independent investigation to clear them of any wrongdoing it may help them to retrieve that market
TW seem to be saying they are the victims of a persistent fraud conducted on them. Why would the police not investigate that if TW reported it?
Police action is only taken if A buyer is not refunded and action raised by the buyer Shown on here by this thread everyone is happy with their refunds including the person that raised the issue and none have taken no further action , presumably if they keep quiet it will all blow over as already shown the Warhol items may be effected , a full investigation may spread to many other items / artists being counterfeit . Shown already they had a great market and much more to come if they carry out a full independent investigation to clear them of any wrongdoing it may help them to retrieve that market TW seem to be saying they are the victims of a persistent fraud conducted on them. Why would the police not investigate that if TW reported it?
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by tab1 on Jan 4, 2021 21:35:00 GMT 1, Police action is only taken if A buyer is not refunded and action raised by the buyer Shown on here by this thread everyone is happy with their refunds including the person that raised the issue and none have taken no further action , presumably if they keep quiet it will all blow over as already shown the Warhol items may be effected , a full investigation may spread to many other items / artists being counterfeit . Shown already they had a great market and much more to come if they carry out a full independent investigation to clear them of any wrongdoing it may help them to retrieve that market TW seem to be saying they are the victims of a persistent fraud conducted on them. Why would the police not investigate that if TW reported it?
Exactly it would clear things up and clear the speculation . On the scale and the years the fraud was conducted can make your own logical assumptions for now .
I know a couple of times I discussed that there were fakes around years ago here
Police action is only taken if A buyer is not refunded and action raised by the buyer Shown on here by this thread everyone is happy with their refunds including the person that raised the issue and none have taken no further action , presumably if they keep quiet it will all blow over as already shown the Warhol items may be effected , a full investigation may spread to many other items / artists being counterfeit . Shown already they had a great market and much more to come if they carry out a full independent investigation to clear them of any wrongdoing it may help them to retrieve that market TW seem to be saying they are the victims of a persistent fraud conducted on them. Why would the police not investigate that if TW reported it? Exactly it would clear things up and clear the speculation . On the scale and the years the fraud was conducted can make your own logical assumptions for now . I know a couple of times I discussed that there were fakes around years ago here
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by sandinthedesert on Jan 5, 2021 18:41:08 GMT 1, I was contacted by TW about a month ago, that the petrol bomb i bought a while back might be a fake. After I managed to reach them (which took some time) they asked me to send pictures to verify. Now I am waiting to hear back from them... Again, all a bit slow. Because of the whole incident I stumbled upon this forum and as I understand, I have members from here to thank, that the whole thing came to light - so thank you!
I was contacted by TW about a month ago, that the petrol bomb i bought a while back might be a fake. After I managed to reach them (which took some time) they asked me to send pictures to verify. Now I am waiting to hear back from them... Again, all a bit slow. Because of the whole incident I stumbled upon this forum and as I understand, I have members from here to thank, that the whole thing came to light - so thank you!
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Lazarus II
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Lazarus II on Jan 5, 2021 19:19:28 GMT 1, I was contacted by TW about a month ago, that the petrol bomb i bought a while back might be a fake. After I managed to reach them (which took some time) they asked me to send pictures to verify. Now I am waiting to hear back from them... Again, all a bit slow. Because of the whole incident I stumbled upon this forum and as I understand, I have members from here to thank, that the whole thing came to light - so thank you! post your pics here and the members will feedback if you have a fake or not but sadly i think the odds are not stacked in your favour๐
I was contacted by TW about a month ago, that the petrol bomb i bought a while back might be a fake. After I managed to reach them (which took some time) they asked me to send pictures to verify. Now I am waiting to hear back from them... Again, all a bit slow. Because of the whole incident I stumbled upon this forum and as I understand, I have members from here to thank, that the whole thing came to light - so thank you! post your pics here and the members will feedback if you have a fake or not but sadly i think the odds are not stacked in your favour๐
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tab1
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by tab1 on Jan 5, 2021 19:30:09 GMT 1, I was contacted by TW about a month ago, that the petrol bomb i bought a while back might be a fake. After I managed to reach them (which took some time) they asked me to send pictures to verify. Now I am waiting to hear back from them... Again, all a bit slow. Because of the whole incident I stumbled upon this forum and as I understand, I have members from here to thank, that the whole thing came to light - so thank you! post your pics here and the members will feedback if you have a fake or not but sadly i think the odds are not stacked in your favour๐
If your offered a full refund would take , trying to sell on in the future with provenance from Tate ward will probably limit your market even if genuine If you bought recently With the refund You could source another genuine poster now you know what to look for , the market will of dropped slightly as of this crap
I was contacted by TW about a month ago, that the petrol bomb i bought a while back might be a fake. After I managed to reach them (which took some time) they asked me to send pictures to verify. Now I am waiting to hear back from them... Again, all a bit slow. Because of the whole incident I stumbled upon this forum and as I understand, I have members from here to thank, that the whole thing came to light - so thank you! post your pics here and the members will feedback if you have a fake or not but sadly i think the odds are not stacked in your favour๐ If your offered a full refund would take , trying to sell on in the future with provenance from Tate ward will probably limit your market even if genuine If you bought recently With the refund You could source another genuine poster now you know what to look for , the market will of dropped slightly as of this crap
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by orenic on Jan 5, 2021 20:32:48 GMT 1, I was contacted by TW about a month ago, that the petrol bomb i bought a while back might be a fake. After I managed to reach them (which took some time) they asked me to send pictures to verify. Now I am waiting to hear back from them... Again, all a bit slow. Because of the whole incident I stumbled upon this forum and as I understand, I have members from here to thank, that the whole thing came to light - so thank you!
Have you spoke to the police?
I was contacted by TW about a month ago, that the petrol bomb i bought a while back might be a fake. After I managed to reach them (which took some time) they asked me to send pictures to verify. Now I am waiting to hear back from them... Again, all a bit slow. Because of the whole incident I stumbled upon this forum and as I understand, I have members from here to thank, that the whole thing came to light - so thank you! Have you spoke to the police?
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Lazarus II
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Lazarus II on Jan 5, 2021 20:49:04 GMT 1, post your pics here and the members will feedback if you have a fake or not but sadly i think the odds are not stacked in your favour๐ If your offered a full refund would take , trying to sell on in the future with provenance from Tate ward will probably limit your market even if genuine If you bought recently With the refund You could source another genuine poster now you know what to look for , the market will of dropped slightly as of this crap theres plenty folks on here can verify if fake or real. If its real then why would you want to get a refund especially if you bought a while back.
post your pics here and the members will feedback if you have a fake or not but sadly i think the odds are not stacked in your favour๐ If your offered a full refund would take , trying to sell on in the future with provenance from Tate ward will probably limit your market even if genuine If you bought recently With the refund You could source another genuine poster now you know what to look for , the market will of dropped slightly as of this crap theres plenty folks on here can verify if fake or real. If its real then why would you want to get a refund especially if you bought a while back.
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tab1
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by tab1 on Jan 5, 2021 20:53:08 GMT 1, If your offered a full refund would take , trying to sell on in the future with provenance from Tate ward will probably limit your market even if genuine If you bought recently With the refund You could source another genuine poster now you know what to look for , the market will of dropped slightly as of this crap theres plenty folks on here can verify if fake or real. If its real then why would you want to get a refund especially if you bought a while back.
Hypothetically thinking , if a police investigation occurs and Tate ward ends up shutting shop as of fraudulent trading practices highlighted with these posters , how difficult would it be to sell the poster in the future with the only provenance from tateward , not everyone has the ability to carry out due diligence hence what has happened here
If your offered a full refund would take , trying to sell on in the future with provenance from Tate ward will probably limit your market even if genuine If you bought recently With the refund You could source another genuine poster now you know what to look for , the market will of dropped slightly as of this crap theres plenty folks on here can verify if fake or real. If its real then why would you want to get a refund especially if you bought a while back. Hypothetically thinking , if a police investigation occurs and Tate ward ends up shutting shop as of fraudulent trading practices highlighted with these posters , how difficult would it be to sell the poster in the future with the only provenance from tateward , not everyone has the ability to carry out due diligence hence what has happened here
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 20:56:21 GMT 1, I was contacted by TW about a month ago, that the petrol bomb i bought a while back might be a fake. After I managed to reach them (which took some time) they asked me to send pictures to verify. Now I am waiting to hear back from them... Again, all a bit slow. Because of the whole incident I stumbled upon this forum and as I understand, I have members from here to thank, that the whole thing came to light - so thank you! Have you spoke to the police? Interesting question
What are they going to do? What would you expect them to do?
I was contacted by TW about a month ago, that the petrol bomb i bought a while back might be a fake. After I managed to reach them (which took some time) they asked me to send pictures to verify. Now I am waiting to hear back from them... Again, all a bit slow. Because of the whole incident I stumbled upon this forum and as I understand, I have members from here to thank, that the whole thing came to light - so thank you! Have you spoke to the police? Interesting question What are they going to do? What would you expect them to do?
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 21:01:44 GMT 1, theres plenty folks on here can verify if fake or real. If its real then why would you want to get a refund especially if you bought a while back. Hypothetically thinking , if a police investigation occurs and Tate ward ends up shutting shop as of fraudulent trading practices highlighted with these posters , how difficult would it be to sell the poster in the future with the only provenance from tateward , not everyone has the ability to carry out due diligence hence what has happened here
What is to stop someone who has bought a genuine one from tate ward selling a fake one using tate wards Provenance?
theres plenty folks on here can verify if fake or real. If its real then why would you want to get a refund especially if you bought a while back. Hypothetically thinking , if a police investigation occurs and Tate ward ends up shutting shop as of fraudulent trading practices highlighted with these posters , how difficult would it be to sell the poster in the future with the only provenance from tateward , not everyone has the ability to carry out due diligence hence what has happened here What is to stop someone who has bought a genuine one from tate ward selling a fake one using tate wards Provenance?
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tab1
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by tab1 on Jan 5, 2021 21:29:00 GMT 1, Hypothetically thinking , if a police investigation occurs and Tate ward ends up shutting shop as of fraudulent trading practices highlighted with these posters , how difficult would it be to sell the poster in the future with the only provenance from tateward , not everyone has the ability to carry out due diligence hence what has happened here What is to stop someone who has bought a genuine one from tate ward selling a fake one using tate wards Provenance?
There you go , another angle .Seller can blame on tateward if caught out . So another question tateward originally did not ask for fake posters to be sent back , now they have recently changed to ask for returns On refunds , same with the paperwork? Refund would be better in my opinion
Hypothetically thinking , if a police investigation occurs and Tate ward ends up shutting shop as of fraudulent trading practices highlighted with these posters , how difficult would it be to sell the poster in the future with the only provenance from tateward , not everyone has the ability to carry out due diligence hence what has happened here What is to stop someone who has bought a genuine one from tate ward selling a fake one using tate wards Provenance? There you go , another angle .Seller can blame on tateward if caught out . So another question tateward originally did not ask for fake posters to be sent back , now they have recently changed to ask for returns On refunds , same with the paperwork? Refund would be better in my opinion
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by quinn on Jan 5, 2021 21:34:23 GMT 1, Hypothetically thinking , if a police investigation occurs and Tate ward ends up shutting shop as of fraudulent trading practices highlighted with these posters , how difficult would it be to sell the poster in the future with the only provenance from tateward , not everyone has the ability to carry out due diligence hence what has happened here What is to stop someone who has bought a genuine one from tate ward selling a fake one using tate wards Provenance? thatโs sneaky...but will inevitably happen
Hypothetically thinking , if a police investigation occurs and Tate ward ends up shutting shop as of fraudulent trading practices highlighted with these posters , how difficult would it be to sell the poster in the future with the only provenance from tateward , not everyone has the ability to carry out due diligence hence what has happened here What is to stop someone who has bought a genuine one from tate ward selling a fake one using tate wards Provenance? thatโs sneaky...but will inevitably happen
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by irl1 on Jan 5, 2021 21:54:36 GMT 1, What is to stop someone who has bought a genuine one from tate ward selling a fake one using tate wards Provenance? There you go , another angle .Seller can blame on tateward if caught out . So another question tateward originally did not ask for fake posters to be sent back , now they have recently changed to ask for returns On refunds , same with the paperwork? Refund would be better in my opinion I'm nearly sure they said they will refund only when the fake poster is sent back, thought I read that somewhere.
What's to stop buyers who were sold a real one sending Tate back a fake for a refund, man the if and buts in this ........
What is to stop someone who has bought a genuine one from tate ward selling a fake one using tate wards Provenance? There you go , another angle .Seller can blame on tateward if caught out . So another question tateward originally did not ask for fake posters to be sent back , now they have recently changed to ask for returns On refunds , same with the paperwork? Refund would be better in my opinion I'm nearly sure they said they will refund only when the fake poster is sent back, thought I read that somewhere. What's to stop buyers who were sold a real one sending Tate back a fake for a refund, man the if and buts in this ........
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by tab1 on Jan 5, 2021 21:59:28 GMT 1, There you go , another angle .Seller can blame on tateward if caught out . So another question tateward originally did not ask for fake posters to be sent back , now they have recently changed to ask for returns On refunds , same with the paperwork? Refund would be better in my opinion I'm nearly sure they said they will refund only when the fake poster is sent back, thought I read that somewhere.ย What's to stop buyers who were sold a real one sending Tate back a fake for a refund, man the if and buts in this ........ย
Have any members been contacted And confirmed they are in possession of a genuine print ? Or the case they were all fake ?
There you go , another angle .Seller can blame on tateward if caught out . So another question tateward originally did not ask for fake posters to be sent back , now they have recently changed to ask for returns On refunds , same with the paperwork? Refund would be better in my opinion I'm nearly sure they said they will refund only when the fake poster is sent back, thought I read that somewhere.ย What's to stop buyers who were sold a real one sending Tate back a fake for a refund, man the if and buts in this ........ย Have any members been contacted And confirmed they are in possession of a genuine print ? Or the case they were all fake ?
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by irl1 on Jan 5, 2021 22:05:02 GMT 1, I'm nearly sure they said they will refund only when the fake poster is sent back, thought I read that somewhere. What's to stop buyers who were sold a real one sending Tate back a fake for a refund, man the if and buts in this ........ Have any members been contacted And confirmed they are in possession of a genuine print ? Or the case they were all fake ? A guy posted here today/yesterday to say he was contacted by Tate about his P.B.
Here is what lobster posted about returns
The only caveat I would add is that I would like to get the work I sold them back - someone posted ( I assume sarcastically ' I wonder why ") and the answer is quite simply I, in turn, want to try and get my money back.
I will only be answering PMs or of course, anyone I sold one too should have my number etc so please feel free to contact me.
What I am going to try and do is take the positive out of this situation and it is clear that there are all sorts o fakes out there and not just these - MP posters we have seen and I have no doubt the next thing will be the GDP rats etc and as an auction house we clearly need to get an awful lot better about spotting this stuff or maybe just stop selling it ??
I'm nearly sure they said they will refund only when the fake poster is sent back, thought I read that somewhere. What's to stop buyers who were sold a real one sending Tate back a fake for a refund, man the if and buts in this ........ Have any members been contacted And confirmed they are in possession of a genuine print ? Or the case they were all fake ? A guy posted here today/yesterday to say he was contacted by Tate about his P.B. Here is what lobster posted about returns The only caveat I would add is that I would like to get the work I sold them back - someone posted ( I assume sarcastically ' I wonder why ") and the answer is quite simply I, in turn, want to try and get my money back. I will only be answering PMs or of course, anyone I sold one too should have my number etc so please feel free to contact me. What I am going to try and do is take the positive out of this situation and it is clear that there are all sorts o fakes out there and not just these - MP posters we have seen and I have no doubt the next thing will be the GDP rats etc and as an auction house we clearly need to get an awful lot better about spotting this stuff or maybe just stop selling it ??
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irl1
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by irl1 on Jan 5, 2021 22:14:50 GMT 1, What is to stop someone who has bought a genuine one from tate ward selling a fake one using tate wards Provenance? There you go , another angle .Seller can blame on tateward if caught out . So another question tateward originally did not ask for fake posters to be sent back , now they have recently changed to ask for returns On refunds , same with the paperwork? Refund would be better in my opinion No it was in lobsters first post (About returning the poster)
Makes no difference, this should never have happened.
urbanartassociation.com/thread/166440/banksy-petrol-bomb-fake-genuine?page=3
What is to stop someone who has bought a genuine one from tate ward selling a fake one using tate wards Provenance? There you go , another angle .Seller can blame on tateward if caught out . So another question tateward originally did not ask for fake posters to be sent back , now they have recently changed to ask for returns On refunds , same with the paperwork? Refund would be better in my opinion No it was in lobsters first post (About returning the poster) Makes no difference, this should never have happened. urbanartassociation.com/thread/166440/banksy-petrol-bomb-fake-genuine?page=3
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Terry Fuckwitt
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by Terry Fuckwitt on Jan 5, 2021 22:33:27 GMT 1, Selling a couple of them, I would give them the benefit of the doubt. There were big numbers being sold over the years and not one of them involved questioned the authenticity of these posters? As other's have stated they need to be more open here about what is going on. Majority of their buyers and sellers come from this forum, so it's for their own good if they want to be seen as a trusted auction house.
Selling a couple of them, I would give them the benefit of the doubt. There were big numbers being sold over the years and not one of them involved questioned the authenticity of these posters? As other's have stated they need to be more open here about what is going on. Majority of their buyers and sellers come from this forum, so it's for their own good if they want to be seen as a trusted auction house.
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tab1
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by tab1 on Jan 5, 2021 22:46:41 GMT 1, There you go , another angle .Seller can blame on tateward if caught out . So another question tateward originally did not ask for fake posters to be sent back , now they have recently changed to ask for returns On refunds , same with the paperwork? Refund would be better in my opinion No it was in lobsters first post (About returning the poster)ย Makes no difference, this should never have happened.ย urbanartassociation.com/thread/166440/banksy-petrol-bomb-fake-genuine?page=3
Just read , he wants the posters back to get his money back from where he purchased from
Easy to report them then and get an independent investigation underway ? Clears the auction house of any wrong doing ?
As mentioned a few people use their services so as members here have received refunds a few here may have to refund the auction house too as unwittingly sold fakes through them ?
There you go , another angle .Seller can blame on tateward if caught out . So another question tateward originally did not ask for fake posters to be sent back , now they have recently changed to ask for returns On refunds , same with the paperwork? Refund would be better in my opinion No it was in lobsters first post (About returning the poster)ย Makes no difference, this should never have happened.ย urbanartassociation.com/thread/166440/banksy-petrol-bomb-fake-genuine?page=3Just read , he wants the posters back to get his money back from where he purchased from Easy to report them then and get an independent investigation underway ? Clears the auction house of any wrong doing ? As mentioned a few people use their services so as members here have received refunds a few here may have to refund the auction house too as unwittingly sold fakes through them ?
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daniel3886
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by daniel3886 on Jan 5, 2021 23:41:08 GMT 1, We are in the final stages of contacting/examining/refunding where necessary.
As I stated twice before once we have all the facts I will update this thread with the outcome. I appreciate it may not be to everyone hereโs preferred timescale, but having not heard back from some buyers the situation is out of my control. So Iโd ask for some further patience to allow us to present the facts.
We are in the final stages of contacting/examining/refunding where necessary.
As I stated twice before once we have all the facts I will update this thread with the outcome. I appreciate it may not be to everyone hereโs preferred timescale, but having not heard back from some buyers the situation is out of my control. So Iโd ask for some further patience to allow us to present the facts.
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irl1
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Tate Ward selling fakes!, by irl1 on Jan 5, 2021 23:54:36 GMT 1, Just read , he wants the posters back to get his money back from where he purchased from Easy to report them then and get an independent investigation underway ? Clears the auction house of any wrong doing ? As mentioned a few people use their services so as members here have received refunds a few here may have to refund the auction house too as unwittingly sold fakes through them ? If an auction house unwittingly sells a fake for a client and the auction house discover it's a fake within 3 years, it's the seller who must pay back the buyer
Just read , he wants the posters back to get his money back from where he purchased from Easy to report them then and get an independent investigation underway ? Clears the auction house of any wrong doing ? As mentioned a few people use their services so as members here have received refunds a few here may have to refund the auction house too as unwittingly sold fakes through them ? If an auction house unwittingly sells a fake for a client and the auction house discover it's a fake within 3 years, it's the seller who must pay back the buyer
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