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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by mrizzle on Jan 9, 2021 15:12:16 GMT 1, It must be tiring being so angry all the time. Have a fantastic weekend Icesay. Ha ha very good!....not as tiring as wiping your nose all the time 
Again, enjoy your weekend. There’s a decent series on Netflix about meditation. Just saying... 
It must be tiring being so angry all the time. Have a fantastic weekend Icesay. Ha ha very good!....not as tiring as wiping your nose all the time Again, enjoy your weekend. There’s a decent series on Netflix about meditation. Just saying... |
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by love on Jan 9, 2021 15:37:21 GMT 1, It‘s just nice that Avant Arte showed the transparency we normally won‘t see. Try to get a Gursky, Richter from source and you know what I’m talking about. Same for Invader, Kaws, Banksy... every gallery does ist but noone talks about it.
Some galleries in NY won‘t even sell you shit if they don‘t know you.
Besides that, the prints are awesome and the quality of Avant Arte is outstanding.
It‘s just nice that Avant Arte showed the transparency we normally won‘t see. Try to get a Gursky, Richter from source and you know what I’m talking about. Same for Invader, Kaws, Banksy... every gallery does ist but noone talks about it.
Some galleries in NY won‘t even sell you shit if they don‘t know you.
Besides that, the prints are awesome and the quality of Avant Arte is outstanding.
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by Feels Good Man 84 on Jan 11, 2021 7:54:05 GMT 1, Man can't wait for the blue reflection, these Look so nice. Thanks avant for still being the best in the business
Hoping to land a purple or gold observer 🤞
Man can't wait for the blue reflection, these Look so nice. Thanks avant for still being the best in the business
Hoping to land a purple or gold observer 🤞
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kawsect
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by kawsect on Jan 11, 2021 21:58:40 GMT 1, Gonna be tough!
Gonna be tough!
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by Feels Good Man 84 on Jan 14, 2021 3:35:09 GMT 1, Do we expect these observers to go super quick?
Do we expect these observers to go super quick?
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by sfnyc on Jan 14, 2021 4:11:58 GMT 1, Do we expect these observers to go super quick?
As fast as bots can checkout 😔, i m not even gonna bother and will probably have to buy them from flippers on ebay
Do we expect these observers to go super quick? As fast as bots can checkout 😔, i m not even gonna bother and will probably have to buy them from flippers on ebay |
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Greekboy
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by Greekboy on Jan 14, 2021 4:55:51 GMT 1, Do we have a time for the release?
Do we have a time for the release?
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by Feels Good Man 84 on Jan 14, 2021 6:17:02 GMT 1, Do we have a time for the release?
Looks like 2:00pm GMT or 9:00am est
Do we have a time for the release? Looks like 2:00pm GMT or 9:00am est |
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by The Rat King on Jan 14, 2021 7:48:04 GMT 1, I think I’m leaning toward the silver observer . Liking the green on it . they will all be stunners in the flesh
I think I’m leaning toward the silver observer . Liking the green on it . they will all be stunners in the flesh
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by E9Boy on Jan 14, 2021 18:30:57 GMT 1, What are your thoughts on the resale agreement between Avant Arte and collectors of The Reflection...?
What are your thoughts on the resale agreement between Avant Arte and collectors of The Reflection...?
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crozbar
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by crozbar on Jan 14, 2021 18:47:07 GMT 1, Can only be a good thing, and COAs not being sent out for 6 months. May put off potential flippers trying to make a fast buck. Nothing worse than losing out and seeing it flipped the next day for 4 x the price before the prints have even dried. Good luck to those trying to get one tomorrow. May the F5 be with you.
Can only be a good thing, and COAs not being sent out for 6 months. May put off potential flippers trying to make a fast buck. Nothing worse than losing out and seeing it flipped the next day for 4 x the price before the prints have even dried. Good luck to those trying to get one tomorrow. May the F5 be with you.
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kawsect
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by kawsect on Jan 14, 2021 18:55:04 GMT 1, Can only be a good thing, and COAs not being sent out for 6 months. May put off potential flippers trying to make a fast buck. Nothing worse than losing out and seeing it flipped the next day for 4 x the price before the prints have even dried. Good luck to those trying to get one tomorrow. May the F5 be with you.
I think it makes sense for them. It also doesn’t bother me (but then again, I wouldn’t be buying to flip). Not sure how enforceable it is though or what repercussions would happen if you violated. I’m assuming it’s basically a ban from dealing with you in the future.
Can only be a good thing, and COAs not being sent out for 6 months. May put off potential flippers trying to make a fast buck. Nothing worse than losing out and seeing it flipped the next day for 4 x the price before the prints have even dried. Good luck to those trying to get one tomorrow. May the F5 be with you. I think it makes sense for them. It also doesn’t bother me (but then again, I wouldn’t be buying to flip). Not sure how enforceable it is though or what repercussions would happen if you violated. I’m assuming it’s basically a ban from dealing with you in the future. |
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by E9Boy on Jan 14, 2021 19:03:45 GMT 1, Article 2 is rather contentious
Article 2 is rather contentious
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crozbar
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by crozbar on Jan 14, 2021 19:17:13 GMT 1, Can only be a good thing, and COAs not being sent out for 6 months. May put off potential flippers trying to make a fast buck. Nothing worse than losing out and seeing it flipped the next day for 4 x the price before the prints have even dried. Good luck to those trying to get one tomorrow. May the F5 be with you. I think it makes sense for them. It also doesn’t bother me (but then again, I wouldn’t be buying to flip). Not sure how enforceable it is though or what repercussions would happen if you violated. I’m assuming it’s basically a ban from dealing with you in the future.
Can only be a good thing, and COAs not being sent out for 6 months. May put off potential flippers trying to make a fast buck. Nothing worse than losing out and seeing it flipped the next day for 4 x the price before the prints have even dried. Good luck to those trying to get one tomorrow. May the F5 be with you. I think it makes sense for them. It also doesn’t bother me (but then again, I wouldn’t be buying to flip). Not sure how enforceable it is though or what repercussions would happen if you violated. I’m assuming it’s basically a ban from dealing with you in the future. Wonder why that the 'Reflection' drop is only 10%. Is there going to be a drop made later or already sold to affiliates or regular collectors? Thats only 10 of the blue and 3 of the red. Glad I'm only going for an Observer and thats 95% |
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JW
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by JW on Jan 14, 2021 19:23:09 GMT 1, Wonder why that the 'Reflection' drop is only 10%. Is there going to be a drop made later or already sold to affiliates or regular collectors? Thats only 10 of the blue and 3 of the red. Glad I'm only going for an Observer and thats 95%
(My view is it's their prerogative and they don't have an obligation to disclose it, but good on them for doing so.)
Wonder why that the 'Reflection' drop is only 10%. Is there going to be a drop made later or already sold to affiliates or regular collectors? Thats only 10 of the blue and 3 of the red. Glad I'm only going for an Observer and thats 95% Pre-sales to VIP and insiders. (My view is it's their prerogative and they don't have an obligation to disclose it, but good on them for doing so.) |
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Icesay
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by Icesay on Jan 14, 2021 19:24:20 GMT 1, I can't make up my mind which one to go for!
I can't make up my mind which one to go for!
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wave
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by wave on Jan 14, 2021 19:38:08 GMT 1, Article 2 is rather contentious
Would have been better to hand out COA in 2 years time IMO rather than this..
Surely a right of first refusal should be an agreement signed by both parties at purchase rather than hidden in a 'silent' contract.
What happens in 2 years if you wanted to swap/trade, sell to a friend etc?
Article 2 is rather contentious Would have been better to hand out COA in 2 years time IMO rather than this.. Surely a right of first refusal should be an agreement signed by both parties at purchase rather than hidden in a 'silent' contract. What happens in 2 years if you wanted to swap/trade, sell to a friend etc? |
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by E9Boy on Jan 14, 2021 19:43:33 GMT 1, Article 2 is rather contentious Would have been better to hand out COA in 2 years time IMO rather than this.. Surely a right of first refusal should be an agreement signed by both parties at purchase rather than hidden in a 'silent' contract. What happens in 2 years if you wanted to swap/trade, sell to a friend etc?
How would you/they determine a price ?
Has anyone come across this before ?
Article 2 is rather contentious Would have been better to hand out COA in 2 years time IMO rather than this.. Surely a right of first refusal should be an agreement signed by both parties at purchase rather than hidden in a 'silent' contract. What happens in 2 years if you wanted to swap/trade, sell to a friend etc? How would you/they determine a price ? Has anyone come across this before ? |
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Icesay
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by Icesay on Jan 14, 2021 20:11:39 GMT 1, Would have been better to hand out COA in 2 years time IMO rather than this.. Surely a right of first refusal should be an agreement signed by both parties at purchase rather than hidden in a 'silent' contract. What happens in 2 years if you wanted to swap/trade, sell to a friend etc? How would you/they determine a price ? Has anyone come across this before ?
Not that it bothers me but the blurb talks about law in the Netherlands....
Would have been better to hand out COA in 2 years time IMO rather than this.. Surely a right of first refusal should be an agreement signed by both parties at purchase rather than hidden in a 'silent' contract. What happens in 2 years if you wanted to swap/trade, sell to a friend etc? How would you/they determine a price ? Has anyone come across this before ? Not that it bothers me but the blurb talks about law in the Netherlands.... |
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by wave on Jan 14, 2021 20:32:09 GMT 1, Hopefully most will stay on walls for years. I think it just means you cannot sell to anyone else without letting them have first dibs. Not sure the implications of the Netherlands thing?
Hopefully most will stay on walls for years. I think it just means you cannot sell to anyone else without letting them have first dibs. Not sure the implications of the Netherlands thing?
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by jenko on Jan 14, 2021 20:45:44 GMT 1, Hopefully most will stay on walls for years. I think it just means you cannot sell to anyone else without letting them have first dibs. Not sure the implications of the Netherlands thing?
That's if they're not too high of course 
Hopefully most will stay on walls for years. I think it just means you cannot sell to anyone else without letting them have first dibs. Not sure the implications of the Netherlands thing? I think it puts the civil liability into the jurisdiction of the Netherlands courts, meaning they can file lawsuits if the agreement is breached, it's necessary as it's being sold online and not directly in the state itself... That's if they're not too high of course |
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by The Rat King on Jan 14, 2021 20:52:30 GMT 1, Hopefully most will stay on walls for years. I think it just means you cannot sell to anyone else without letting them have first dibs. Not sure the implications of the Netherlands thing? I think it puts the civil liability into the jurisdiction of the Netherlands courts, meaning they can file lawsuits if the agreement is breached, it's necessary as it's being sold online and not directly in the state itself... That's if they're not too high of course
How did it play out with the calleja release ?
Similar thing implemented last year on that . Again a very excitable release
That said . The edition looks the dogs !
Hopefully most will stay on walls for years. I think it just means you cannot sell to anyone else without letting them have first dibs. Not sure the implications of the Netherlands thing? I think it puts the civil liability into the jurisdiction of the Netherlands courts, meaning they can file lawsuits if the agreement is breached, it's necessary as it's being sold online and not directly in the state itself... That's if they're not too high of course How did it play out with the calleja release ? Similar thing implemented last year on that . Again a very excitable release That said . The edition looks the dogs ! |
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by Sunny Garcia on Jan 14, 2021 20:57:15 GMT 1, I think it puts the civil liability into the jurisdiction of the Netherlands courts, meaning they can file lawsuits if the agreement is breached, it's necessary as it's being sold online and not directly in the state itself... That's if they're not too high of course How did it play out with the calleja release ? Similar thing implemented last year on that . Again a very excitable release That said . The edition looks the dogs !
I think it puts the civil liability into the jurisdiction of the Netherlands courts, meaning they can file lawsuits if the agreement is breached, it's necessary as it's being sold online and not directly in the state itself... That's if they're not too high of course How did it play out with the calleja release ? Similar thing implemented last year on that . Again a very excitable release That said . The edition looks the dogs ! This is their first release with resale agreement attached. Calleja was simply COA's six months later. |
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by soupy on Jan 14, 2021 21:02:49 GMT 1, did the preorders have this resale agreement stipulation? the URL in the listing right now links to a hebru brantley agreement. i don't mind a 2 year no resell window, but #2 stipulating they get first dibs on any sale is super strange. how is the buyback price determined? seller can ask for whatever they want.
did the preorders have this resale agreement stipulation? the URL in the listing right now links to a hebru brantley agreement. i don't mind a 2 year no resell window, but #2 stipulating they get first dibs on any sale is super strange. how is the buyback price determined? seller can ask for whatever they want.
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E9Boy
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by E9Boy on Jan 14, 2021 21:08:19 GMT 1, did the preorders have this resale agreement stipulation? the URL in the listing right now links to a hebru brantley agreement. i don't mind a 2 year no resell window, but #2 stipulating they get first dibs on any sale is super strange. how is the buyback price determined? seller can ask for whatever they want.
No mention of any agreement... didn’t buy to sell, but always good to have the option..
did the preorders have this resale agreement stipulation? the URL in the listing right now links to a hebru brantley agreement. i don't mind a 2 year no resell window, but #2 stipulating they get first dibs on any sale is super strange. how is the buyback price determined? seller can ask for whatever they want. No mention of any agreement... didn’t buy to sell, but always good to have the option.. |
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by Jimini Cricket on Jan 14, 2021 21:21:20 GMT 1, did the preorders have this resale agreement stipulation? the URL in the listing right now links to a hebru brantley agreement. i don't mind a 2 year no resell window, but #2 stipulating they get first dibs on any sale is super strange. how is the buyback price determined? seller can ask for whatever they want.
Big galleries include first right of refusals into their sales contracts. It isn't strange. Quite common for hotter artists actually. The resale price is negotiable. You should see the 20 I had to sign last year. Incroyablé.
did the preorders have this resale agreement stipulation? the URL in the listing right now links to a hebru brantley agreement. i don't mind a 2 year no resell window, but #2 stipulating they get first dibs on any sale is super strange. how is the buyback price determined? seller can ask for whatever they want. Big galleries include first right of refusals into their sales contracts. It isn't strange. Quite common for hotter artists actually. The resale price is negotiable. You should see the 20 I had to sign last year. Incroyablé. |
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by The Origin on Jan 14, 2021 21:24:47 GMT 1, Love the scale of it
Love the scale of it |
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by Sunny Garcia on Jan 14, 2021 21:25:56 GMT 1, did the preorders have this resale agreement stipulation? the URL in the listing right now links to a hebru brantley agreement. i don't mind a 2 year no resell window, but #2 stipulating they get first dibs on any sale is super strange. how is the buyback price determined? seller can ask for whatever they want.
did the preorders have this resale agreement stipulation? the URL in the listing right now links to a hebru brantley agreement. i don't mind a 2 year no resell window, but #2 stipulating they get first dibs on any sale is super strange. how is the buyback price determined? seller can ask for whatever they want. First dibs back is almost always the case now, and I've seen contracts that are 2, 3, 5 and lifetime in years. Buy-back is normally listed as a current primary market price and/or combination of secondary market (auction results) price, meaning it's up to the two parties to negotiate on. |
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by scarylarry on Jan 14, 2021 21:35:17 GMT 1, These resell agreements are comical. No real way they can enforce them. Worse case scenario is someone gets banned from buying from the gallery...
These resell agreements are comical. No real way they can enforce them. Worse case scenario is someone gets banned from buying from the gallery...
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Paul Insect • The Reflection, Observer , by Lord Lucas Roham on Jan 14, 2021 21:51:33 GMT 1, These resell agreements are comical. No real way they can enforce them. Worse case scenario is someone gets banned from buying from the gallery...
Exactly. Not worth the paper they are written on. Toothless nonsense.
These resell agreements are comical. No real way they can enforce them. Worse case scenario is someone gets banned from buying from the gallery... Exactly. Not worth the paper they are written on. Toothless nonsense. |
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