kuni
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by kuni on Dec 13, 2019 15:49:10 GMT 1, Damn, I wish I had the $ to pick up that BORF modern life piece. Massive canvas with awesome colors. UGH. Hands down my favorite piece in the auction.
Damn, I wish I had the $ to pick up that BORF modern life piece. Massive canvas with awesome colors. UGH. Hands down my favorite piece in the auction.
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sharky
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by sharky on Jun 10, 2020 13:20:06 GMT 1, Interesting pieces...let's see what happens!
Interesting pieces...let's see what happens!
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Poster Bob
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Poster Bob on Jun 10, 2020 13:30:27 GMT 1, ยฃ40-50k estimate on a color Trolleys? ๐คฃ
ยฃ40-50k estimate on a color Trolleys? ๐คฃ
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cnrdvln
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by cnrdvln on Jun 10, 2020 13:39:58 GMT 1, a few little gems there alright
a few little gems there alright
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chuckle
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by chuckle on Jun 10, 2020 13:51:38 GMT 1, ยฃ40-50k estimate on a color Trolleys? ๐คฃ
From the Edition of 28 on end paper - I guess that drives the higher estimate.
ยฃ40-50k estimate on a color Trolleys? ๐คฃ From the Edition of 28 on end paper - I guess that drives the higher estimate.
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Poster Bob
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Poster Bob on Jun 10, 2020 14:05:56 GMT 1, Hah, I should spend more time paying attention. It'll be interesting to see if someone is willing to pay such a premium for it.
ยฃ40-50k estimate on a color Trolleys? ๐คฃ From the Edition of 28 on end paper - I guess that drives the higher estimate.
Hah, I should spend more time paying attention. It'll be interesting to see if someone is willing to pay such a premium for it. ยฃ40-50k estimate on a color Trolleys? ๐คฃ From the Edition of 28 on end paper - I guess that drives the higher estimate.
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chuckle
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by chuckle on Jun 10, 2020 15:23:57 GMT 1, From the Edition of 28 on end paper - I guess that drives the higher estimate. Are these GDP Banksy screen prints actually attributed to Banksy as Pest Control won't authenticate them
I believe that receipts from a Chicken Cottage in Croydon are considered a good substitute for a CoA on these.
From the Edition of 28 on end paper - I guess that drives the higher estimate. Are these GDP Banksy screen prints actually attributed to Banksy as Pest Control won't authenticate them I believe that receipts from a Chicken Cottage in Croydon are considered a good substitute for a CoA on these.
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daniel3886
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by daniel3886 on Jun 10, 2020 16:08:41 GMT 1, If anyone has any questions regarding provenance or condition please get in touch with Harry@tateward.com We will send additional pictures/video to prospective buyers.
On the issue of the correct attribution of Banksy Ephemera this is currently under discussion. Artsy have been contacted via Pest Control in a wider effort to address the large number of fakes that feature on their platform. They have asked that all non COA works are designated โAfter Banksyโ.
Pieces such as Boxsetโs, Wall Sections which come with receipts which are officially sold by Pest Control/Walled of Hotel are clearly not โAfterโ so how theyโre attributed in the long term needs to be decided. In the interim we may change all ephemera to โAfter Banksyโ on Artsy to comply with their request.
All of the ephemera is checked and examined by us pre sale. We value our reputation and the trust buyers place in us so if weโve listed a work we are confident in its authenticity. Further to that if any work is proven to be fake or counterfeit we will issue a full refund. I hope this reassures any buyers to bid with confidence.
If anyone has any questions regarding provenance or condition please get in touch with Harry@tateward.com We will send additional pictures/video to prospective buyers.
On the issue of the correct attribution of Banksy Ephemera this is currently under discussion. Artsy have been contacted via Pest Control in a wider effort to address the large number of fakes that feature on their platform. They have asked that all non COA works are designated โAfter Banksyโ.
Pieces such as Boxsetโs, Wall Sections which come with receipts which are officially sold by Pest Control/Walled of Hotel are clearly not โAfterโ so how theyโre attributed in the long term needs to be decided. In the interim we may change all ephemera to โAfter Banksyโ on Artsy to comply with their request.
All of the ephemera is checked and examined by us pre sale. We value our reputation and the trust buyers place in us so if weโve listed a work we are confident in its authenticity. Further to that if any work is proven to be fake or counterfeit we will issue a full refund. I hope this reassures any buyers to bid with confidence.
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jp
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by jp on Jun 10, 2020 17:52:15 GMT 1, If anyone has any questions regarding provenance or condition please get in touch with Harry@tateward.com We will send additional pictures/video to prospective buyers. On the issue of the correct attribution of Banksy Ephemera this is currently under discussion. Artsy have been contacted via Pest Control in a wider effort to address the large number of fakes that feature on their platform. They have asked that all non COA works are designated โAfter Banksyโ. Pieces such as Boxsetโs, Wall Sections which come with receipts which are officially sold by Pest Control/Walled of Hotel are clearly not โAfterโ so how theyโre attributed in the long term needs to be decided. In the interim we may change all ephemera to โAfter Banksyโ on Artsy to comply with their request. All of the ephemera is checked and examined by us pre sale. We value our reputation and the trust buyers place in us so if weโve listed a work we are confident in its authenticity. Further to that if any work is proven to be fake or counterfeit we will issue a full refund. I hope this reassures any buyers to bid with confidence. How can you possibly attribute art pieces from the walled off hotel that are sold for a couple hundreds to be Banksy? Other artists are involved with the hotel and the art sold. Who would you attribute these to if not Banksy? Banksy purposely does not tell you who made the box sets or wall sections, and advertises both products on his own instagram account as his (from his hotel). They come with receipt and are numbered. I don't know why you mention the price, especially since POW sold all Banksy prints for very low prices. If anything, the low retail price is actually a better signal that they are indeed Banksy pieces.
If anyone has any questions regarding provenance or condition please get in touch with Harry@tateward.com We will send additional pictures/video to prospective buyers. On the issue of the correct attribution of Banksy Ephemera this is currently under discussion. Artsy have been contacted via Pest Control in a wider effort to address the large number of fakes that feature on their platform. They have asked that all non COA works are designated โAfter Banksyโ. Pieces such as Boxsetโs, Wall Sections which come with receipts which are officially sold by Pest Control/Walled of Hotel are clearly not โAfterโ so how theyโre attributed in the long term needs to be decided. In the interim we may change all ephemera to โAfter Banksyโ on Artsy to comply with their request. All of the ephemera is checked and examined by us pre sale. We value our reputation and the trust buyers place in us so if weโve listed a work we are confident in its authenticity. Further to that if any work is proven to be fake or counterfeit we will issue a full refund. I hope this reassures any buyers to bid with confidence. How can you possibly attribute art pieces from the walled off hotel that are sold for a couple hundreds to be Banksy? Other artists are involved with the hotel and the art sold. Who would you attribute these to if not Banksy? Banksy purposely does not tell you who made the box sets or wall sections, and advertises both products on his own instagram account as his (from his hotel). They come with receipt and are numbered. I don't know why you mention the price, especially since POW sold all Banksy prints for very low prices. If anything, the low retail price is actually a better signal that they are indeed Banksy pieces.
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daniel3886
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by daniel3886 on Jun 10, 2020 18:09:12 GMT 1, If anyone has any questions regarding provenance or condition please get in touch with Harry@tateward.com We will send additional pictures/video to prospective buyers. On the issue of the correct attribution of Banksy Ephemera this is currently under discussion. Artsy have been contacted via Pest Control in a wider effort to address the large number of fakes that feature on their platform. They have asked that all non COA works are designated โAfter Banksyโ. Pieces such as Boxsetโs, Wall Sections which come with receipts which are officially sold by Pest Control/Walled of Hotel are clearly not โAfterโ so how theyโre attributed in the long term needs to be decided. In the interim we may change all ephemera to โAfter Banksyโ on Artsy to comply with their request. All of the ephemera is checked and examined by us pre sale. We value our reputation and the trust buyers place in us so if weโve listed a work we are confident in its authenticity. Further to that if any work is proven to be fake or counterfeit we will issue a full refund. I hope this reassures any buyers to bid with confidence. How can you possibly attribute art pieces from the walled off hotel that are sold for a couple hundreds to be Banksy? Other artists are involved with the hotel and the art sold.
The works are constructed to his design and specification. In the same way most other artists use assistants for large scale production of studio work and other officially sanctioned work.
If you buy a piece of work from a shop that Banksy himself has opened and is selling products should they then be classified as โafter banksyโ?
What is your view of products from the GDP shop? Some do not come with coaโs and are almost certainly not by Banksyโs hand should they also be classified in the same way as a sticker or poster?
We aim to be as open an transparent as possible with cataloguing of each work. Each buyer must do their own due diligence on any piece theyโre considering buying. We are here to help with that process.
If anyone has any questions regarding provenance or condition please get in touch with Harry@tateward.com We will send additional pictures/video to prospective buyers. On the issue of the correct attribution of Banksy Ephemera this is currently under discussion. Artsy have been contacted via Pest Control in a wider effort to address the large number of fakes that feature on their platform. They have asked that all non COA works are designated โAfter Banksyโ. Pieces such as Boxsetโs, Wall Sections which come with receipts which are officially sold by Pest Control/Walled of Hotel are clearly not โAfterโ so how theyโre attributed in the long term needs to be decided. In the interim we may change all ephemera to โAfter Banksyโ on Artsy to comply with their request. All of the ephemera is checked and examined by us pre sale. We value our reputation and the trust buyers place in us so if weโve listed a work we are confident in its authenticity. Further to that if any work is proven to be fake or counterfeit we will issue a full refund. I hope this reassures any buyers to bid with confidence. How can you possibly attribute art pieces from the walled off hotel that are sold for a couple hundreds to be Banksy? Other artists are involved with the hotel and the art sold. The works are constructed to his design and specification. In the same way most other artists use assistants for large scale production of studio work and other officially sanctioned work. If you buy a piece of work from a shop that Banksy himself has opened and is selling products should they then be classified as โafter banksyโ? What is your view of products from the GDP shop? Some do not come with coaโs and are almost certainly not by Banksyโs hand should they also be classified in the same way as a sticker or poster? We aim to be as open an transparent as possible with cataloguing of each work. Each buyer must do their own due diligence on any piece theyโre considering buying. We are here to help with that process.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by singerstu on Jun 10, 2020 18:30:49 GMT 1, Hah, I should spend more time paying attention. It'll be interesting to see if someone is willing to pay such a premium for it. From the Edition of 28 on end paper - I guess that drives the higher estimate. Donโt forget the hand finished handles that increases the price a lot!
Hah, I should spend more time paying attention. It'll be interesting to see if someone is willing to pay such a premium for it. From the Edition of 28 on end paper - I guess that drives the higher estimate. Donโt forget the hand finished handles that increases the price a lot!
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 18:39:36 GMT 1, Hah, I should spend more time paying attention. It'll be interesting to see if someone is willing to pay such a premium for it. Donโt forget the hand finished handles that increases the price a lot!
The famous handles
Hah, I should spend more time paying attention. It'll be interesting to see if someone is willing to pay such a premium for it. Donโt forget the hand finished handles that increases the price a lot! The famous handles
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 18:41:57 GMT 1, How can you possibly attribute art pieces from the walled off hotel that are sold for a couple hundreds to be Banksy? Other artists are involved with the hotel and the art sold. Don't you think Daniel knows this already? What would you like them to be named as? Tat, Souvenirs, keepsakes, I wonder if he gets ARR for them?
How can you possibly attribute art pieces from the walled off hotel that are sold for a couple hundreds to be Banksy? Other artists are involved with the hotel and the art sold. Don't you think Daniel knows this already? What would you like them to be named as? Tat, Souvenirs, keepsakes, I wonder if he gets ARR for them?
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 19:06:13 GMT 1, Tat, Souvenirs, keepsakes, I wonder if he gets ARR for them? The Walled Off Hotel merchandise might be tat (depending on your point of view) but it's still Banksy's tat; no one elses.
Yeah, must be a struggle for new collectors
You have 4 or 5 levels
1 Pest Control 2 Banksy designed and approved= walled off, Peckham rock etc 3 Banksy maybe or maybe not approved = album covers, tee shirts, stickers 4 Fakes and copies, knobs like WCP, Mrs Banksy,counterfeit, scammers etc 5 street art
Tat, Souvenirs, keepsakes, I wonder if he gets ARR for them? The Walled Off Hotel merchandise might be tat (depending on your point of view) but it's still Banksy's tat; no one elses. Yeah, must be a struggle for new collectors You have 4 or 5 levels 1 Pest Control 2 Banksy designed and approved= walled off, Peckham rock etc 3 Banksy maybe or maybe not approved = album covers, tee shirts, stickers 4 Fakes and copies, knobs like WCP, Mrs Banksy,counterfeit, scammers etc 5 street art
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Sundowner on Jun 10, 2020 19:11:47 GMT 1, For the avoidance of doubt I donโt believe the Bethlehem edition has hand-finished handles (although happy to be proven wrong). I am aware of a hand-finished version with green handles.
For the avoidance of doubt I donโt believe the Bethlehem edition has hand-finished handles (although happy to be proven wrong). I am aware of a hand-finished version with green handles.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by LJCal on Jun 10, 2020 20:27:00 GMT 1, I know people like to knock the ephemera but for a lot of people that is the only way they can afford to have something that has a connection to Banksy. If youโre a new collector buying this type of thing at auction is much more comfortable as at least you have some recourse if it turns out to be a counterfeit. I think people should realise how lucky they are if they can afford to do ยฃ10-50k on a print and understand not everyone is in that fortunate position.
I know people like to knock the ephemera but for a lot of people that is the only way they can afford to have something that has a connection to Banksy. If youโre a new collector buying this type of thing at auction is much more comfortable as at least you have some recourse if it turns out to be a counterfeit. I think people should realise how lucky they are if they can afford to do ยฃ10-50k on a print and understand not everyone is in that fortunate position.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Stonetown on Jun 10, 2020 20:49:31 GMT 1, For the avoidance of doubt I donโt believe the Bethlehem edition has hand-finished handles (although happy to be proven wrong). I am aware of a hand-finished version with green handles.
I PM'd you with some proof of the painted handles.
For the avoidance of doubt I donโt believe the Bethlehem edition has hand-finished handles (although happy to be proven wrong). I am aware of a hand-finished version with green handles. I PM'd you with some proof of the painted handles.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by WOOF on Jun 10, 2020 20:51:33 GMT 1, I know people like to knock the ephemera but for a lot of people that is the only way they can afford to have something that has a connection to Banksy. If youโre a new collector buying this type of thing at auction is much more comfortable as at least you have some recourse if it turns out to be a counterfeit. I think people should realise how lucky they are if they can afford to do ยฃ10-50k on a print and understand not everyone is in that fortunate position. I agree with this in theory, however I also think ephemera should be auctioned off in ephemera-only auctions that are clearly marked as such. Mixing them in with legitimate signed and numbered works of art, that I'm not a huge fan of.
I know people like to knock the ephemera but for a lot of people that is the only way they can afford to have something that has a connection to Banksy. If youโre a new collector buying this type of thing at auction is much more comfortable as at least you have some recourse if it turns out to be a counterfeit. I think people should realise how lucky they are if they can afford to do ยฃ10-50k on a print and understand not everyone is in that fortunate position. I agree with this in theory, however I also think ephemera should be auctioned off in ephemera-only auctions that are clearly marked as such. Mixing them in with legitimate signed and numbered works of art, that I'm not a huge fan of.
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daniel3886
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by daniel3886 on Jun 10, 2020 21:18:44 GMT 1, We have a report from a highly regarded US conservator, which asserts that the handles are hand embellished. We will happily share this with any interested buyer.
We have a report from a highly regarded US conservator, which asserts that the handles are hand embellished. We will happily share this with any interested buyer.
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daniel3886
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by daniel3886 on Jun 10, 2020 21:22:04 GMT 1, Don't you think Daniel knows this already? What would you like them to be named as? Tat, Souvenirs, keepsakes, I wonder if he gets ARR for them? ARR is applicable on any work attributed to Banksy over 1000 euros. This includes Monkey Parliament posters, Soup Can posters and anything else that breaks that threshold.
Don't you think Daniel knows this already? What would you like them to be named as? Tat, Souvenirs, keepsakes, I wonder if he gets ARR for them? ARR is applicable on any work attributed to Banksy over 1000 euros. This includes Monkey Parliament posters, Soup Can posters and anything else that breaks that threshold.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 21:32:31 GMT 1, Tat, Souvenirs, keepsakes, I wonder if he gets ARR for them? The Walled Off Hotel merchandise might be tat (depending on your point of view) but it's still Banksy's tat; no one elses. I like it, got qute a bit of it, it's not really tat, sorry about that, i was being a bit of a prat
Tat, Souvenirs, keepsakes, I wonder if he gets ARR for them? The Walled Off Hotel merchandise might be tat (depending on your point of view) but it's still Banksy's tat; no one elses. I like it, got qute a bit of it, it's not really tat, sorry about that, i was being a bit of a prat
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Graham H on Jun 10, 2020 22:09:04 GMT 1, Ive no idea either way, but dont hand finished pieces say ' Hand Finished ' on th COA or something saying there is hand finishing on a piece?
Just asking, not saying they do
We have a report from a highly regarded US conservator, which asserts that the handles are hand embellished. We will happily share this with any interested buyer.
Ive no idea either way, but dont hand finished pieces say ' Hand Finished ' on th COA or something saying there is hand finishing on a piece? Just asking, not saying they do We have a report from a highly regarded US conservator, which asserts that the handles are hand embellished. We will happily share this with any interested buyer.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Nick on Jun 10, 2020 22:29:48 GMT 1, daniel3886 should the banksy prints being sold without COA be classed as 'after banksy' too then in that case? High values to refund if they don't turn out authentic!
daniel3886 should the banksy prints being sold without COA be classed as 'after banksy' too then in that case? High values to refund if they don't turn out authentic!
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by daniel3886 on Jun 10, 2020 22:58:20 GMT 1, We are happy to stand by all pieces we list as I said. In 8 sales weโve not been asked for a single refund but are ready to if the situation presents itself.
Sellers of prints that donโt have coaโs may have proceeds held pending coa approval. Iโve known many of our consigners for years so each individual case is viewed on its merits. If we pay the consigner we are assuming the risk in that situation.
Hope that helps.
We are happy to stand by all pieces we list as I said. In 8 sales weโve not been asked for a single refund but are ready to if the situation presents itself.
Sellers of prints that donโt have coaโs may have proceeds held pending coa approval. Iโve known many of our consigners for years so each individual case is viewed on its merits. If we pay the consigner we are assuming the risk in that situation.
Hope that helps.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by irl1 on Jun 14, 2020 22:48:32 GMT 1,
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by PS on Jun 24, 2020 12:36:08 GMT 1, Sunny day here in the UK, maybe some bargains to be had at Tate Ward this afternoon?
Sunny day here in the UK, maybe some bargains to be had at Tate Ward this afternoon?
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by robo on Jun 24, 2020 14:46:36 GMT 1, Sunny day here in the UK, maybe some bargains to be had at Tate Ward this afternoon?
Well you can bid from your phone in the Artsy app...
Sunny day here in the UK, maybe some bargains to be had at Tate Ward this afternoon? Well you can bid from your phone in the Artsy app...
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by The Italian One on Jun 24, 2020 14:51:00 GMT 1, Sunny day here in the UK, maybe some bargains to be had at Tate Ward this afternoon? Well you can bid from your phone in the Artsy app... what time it starts?
Sunny day here in the UK, maybe some bargains to be had at Tate Ward this afternoon? Well you can bid from your phone in the Artsy app... what time it starts?
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by popgoestheart on Jun 24, 2020 14:54:18 GMT 1, 4pm BST
4pm BST
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