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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 13:27:51 GMT 1, Several of those have starting bids that are more than they've ever sold for. I know the market is moving fast, but when a colour Trolleys sold for ยฃ40,000, inc. fees, a week ago, i wouldn't be jumping on one that starts at roughly ยฃ60,000, inc. fees. This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
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Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
Ah. My apologies.
Several of those have starting bids that are more than they've ever sold for. I know the market is moving fast, but when a colour Trolleys sold for ยฃ40,000, inc. fees, a week ago, i wouldn't be jumping on one that starts at roughly ยฃ60,000, inc. fees. This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
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Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
Ah. My apologies.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by 18921892 on Aug 26, 2020 13:31:10 GMT 1, Several of those have starting bids that are more than they've ever sold for. I know the market is moving fast, but when a colour Trolleys sold for ยฃ40,000, inc. fees, a week ago, i wouldn't be jumping on one that starts at roughly ยฃ60,000, inc. fees. This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
Tate Ward Auctions
Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
How is the print any different than the regular colour edition other than size?
Several of those have starting bids that are more than they've ever sold for. I know the market is moving fast, but when a colour Trolleys sold for ยฃ40,000, inc. fees, a week ago, i wouldn't be jumping on one that starts at roughly ยฃ60,000, inc. fees. This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
Tate Ward Auctions
Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
How is the print any different than the regular colour edition other than size?
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Matt on Aug 26, 2020 13:34:38 GMT 1, Spot on Additionally, assuming the COA will be transferred to the buyer is probably fine, but donโt forget this could also simply be a fake. There was enough photos and details published about timelines, emails, packaging etc that it is not that hard to forge the whole thing and fling it through a lower tier auction house Highly unlikely as there will be a clear email trail, receipts, packaging from FL etc etc.... The point is that even if "unlikely", it's not impossible (I would argue it's not even very difficult) and certainly to a risk worth taking at that price
Spot on Additionally, assuming the COA will be transferred to the buyer is probably fine, but donโt forget this could also simply be a fake. There was enough photos and details published about timelines, emails, packaging etc that it is not that hard to forge the whole thing and fling it through a lower tier auction house Highly unlikely as there will be a clear email trail, receipts, packaging from FL etc etc.... The point is that even if "unlikely", it's not impossible (I would argue it's not even very difficult) and certainly to a risk worth taking at that price
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by chuckle on Aug 26, 2020 13:44:25 GMT 1, This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
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Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
How is the print any different than the regular colour edition other than size?
Hand finished handles ๐
This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
Tate Ward Auctions
Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
How is the print any different than the regular colour edition other than size? Hand finished handles ๐
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Nuno on Aug 26, 2020 13:44:35 GMT 1, This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
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Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
How is the print any different than the regular colour edition other than size?
Think it was on โend paperโ...?
This is not a regular colour Trolley Hunters but the Bethlehem Edition.
Tate Ward Auctions
Notes: This work is from the Bethlehem Edition of 28, originally only available in person in Bethlehem.
How is the print any different than the regular colour edition other than size? Think it was on โend paperโ...?
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by saint on Aug 26, 2020 13:55:08 GMT 1, I can't see this as a 100k print, but for those who were lucky to buy it I hope it reaches those heights.
I would value it around the same as morons personally, its a huge edition, and its not actually that approachable as a print imo... As much as I'd like one, and I would, I can't see it replacing any of my other pieces by Banksy that are on my walls at the moment.... Whereas there are some that if I was offered a straight swap for one of mine, I would do so.... Not taking into account value, just image at this point.....
BTW, I wonder of the people who bought it, how many took the time to look into the meaning behind Basquiat's crown? Or to research him as an artist? I hope the majority, but I fear the minority.... Just a thought on a boring day.
Edit- took me ages to write that reply, so it looks like I'm talking to myself, I was commenting after the 100k comment above.....
I can't see this as a 100k print, but for those who were lucky to buy it I hope it reaches those heights.
I would value it around the same as morons personally, its a huge edition, and its not actually that approachable as a print imo... As much as I'd like one, and I would, I can't see it replacing any of my other pieces by Banksy that are on my walls at the moment.... Whereas there are some that if I was offered a straight swap for one of mine, I would do so.... Not taking into account value, just image at this point.....
BTW, I wonder of the people who bought it, how many took the time to look into the meaning behind Basquiat's crown? Or to research him as an artist? I hope the majority, but I fear the minority.... Just a thought on a boring day.
Edit- took me ages to write that reply, so it looks like I'm talking to myself, I was commenting after the 100k comment above.....
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Sundowner on Aug 26, 2020 13:55:33 GMT 1, How is the print any different than the regular colour edition other than size? Hand finished handles ๐ Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles....
How is the print any different than the regular colour edition other than size? Hand finished handles ๐ Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles....
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by chuckle on Aug 26, 2020 14:12:29 GMT 1, Hand finished handles ๐ Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles....
Sorry - couldnโt help myself...
Hand finished handles ๐ Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles.... Sorry - couldnโt help myself...
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Graham H on Aug 26, 2020 14:32:49 GMT 1, and neither could Sundowner jumping in...
Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles.... Sorry - couldnโt help myself...
and neither could Sundowner jumping in... Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles.... Sorry - couldnโt help myself...
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by woodman on Aug 26, 2020 16:10:25 GMT 1, U/S Silver Flags (average condition) already at ยฃ17k+ (inc fees.) Has this started to move ahead of prints like Napalm as the cheapest entry point? Over 20k now with fees.
U/S Silver Flags (average condition) already at ยฃ17k+ (inc fees.) Has this started to move ahead of prints like Napalm as the cheapest entry point? Over 20k now with fees.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 16:34:41 GMT 1, I can't see this as a 100k print, but for those who were lucky to buy it I hope it reaches those heights. I would value it around the same as morons personally, its a huge edition, and its not actually that approachable as a print imo... As much as I'd like one, and I would, I can't see it replacing any of my other pieces by Banksy that are on my walls at the moment.... Whereas there are some that if I was offered a straight swap for one of mine, I would do so.... Not taking into account value, just image at this point..... BTW, I wonder of the people who bought it, how many took the time to look into the meaning behind Basquiat's crown? Or to research him as an artist? I hope the majority, but I fear the minority.... Just a thought on a boring day. Edit- took me ages to write that reply, so it looks like I'm talking to myself, I was commenting after the 100k comment above..... I do own it and agree on value. I would be fine with it not increasing (comparatively) massively because I don't want the huge insurance premium or fear of having something so valuable on my wall.
It's not that big an edition, for Banksy, is it? There are 750 Girl With Balloon, inc. signed and unsigned. Donuts is 598. Lots of big numbers on his editions.
Interested if you meant anything specific on the crown? One of the reasons I like Banksquiat so much is that it has layers of meaning to it. I like that it's Banksy taking the piss out of himself, for jumping on the Basquiat ride with everyone else. But at the same time he's using the crown to show respect to someone who influenced him, in the same way Basquiat sometimes did. Could also say that where Basquiat crowned people, whether himself or his heroes, reverently, Banksy's ride is saying crowns are cheap now. You can have your ride as the king without earning it. I'm not that well read on Basquiat, so if there's another reading I'd love to know.
Like you, Banksquiat isn't my favourite but I do love it. If it does hit a stupid price I may one day sell it and get a Soup Can instead. That's my favourite. I think it's the most elegant, witty encapsulation of Banksy.
I can't see this as a 100k print, but for those who were lucky to buy it I hope it reaches those heights. I would value it around the same as morons personally, its a huge edition, and its not actually that approachable as a print imo... As much as I'd like one, and I would, I can't see it replacing any of my other pieces by Banksy that are on my walls at the moment.... Whereas there are some that if I was offered a straight swap for one of mine, I would do so.... Not taking into account value, just image at this point..... BTW, I wonder of the people who bought it, how many took the time to look into the meaning behind Basquiat's crown? Or to research him as an artist? I hope the majority, but I fear the minority.... Just a thought on a boring day. Edit- took me ages to write that reply, so it looks like I'm talking to myself, I was commenting after the 100k comment above..... I do own it and agree on value. I would be fine with it not increasing (comparatively) massively because I don't want the huge insurance premium or fear of having something so valuable on my wall. It's not that big an edition, for Banksy, is it? There are 750 Girl With Balloon, inc. signed and unsigned. Donuts is 598. Lots of big numbers on his editions. Interested if you meant anything specific on the crown? One of the reasons I like Banksquiat so much is that it has layers of meaning to it. I like that it's Banksy taking the piss out of himself, for jumping on the Basquiat ride with everyone else. But at the same time he's using the crown to show respect to someone who influenced him, in the same way Basquiat sometimes did. Could also say that where Basquiat crowned people, whether himself or his heroes, reverently, Banksy's ride is saying crowns are cheap now. You can have your ride as the king without earning it. I'm not that well read on Basquiat, so if there's another reading I'd love to know. Like you, Banksquiat isn't my favourite but I do love it. If it does hit a stupid price I may one day sell it and get a Soup Can instead. That's my favourite. I think it's the most elegant, witty encapsulation of Banksy.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by saint on Aug 26, 2020 16:58:12 GMT 1, I can't see this as a 100k print, but for those who were lucky to buy it I hope it reaches those heights. I would value it around the same as morons personally, its a huge edition, and its not actually that approachable as a print imo... As much as I'd like one, and I would, I can't see it replacing any of my other pieces by Banksy that are on my walls at the moment.... Whereas there are some that if I was offered a straight swap for one of mine, I would do so.... Not taking into account value, just image at this point..... BTW, I wonder of the people who bought it, how many took the time to look into the meaning behind Basquiat's crown? Or to research him as an artist? I hope the majority, but I fear the minority.... Just a thought on a boring day. Edit- took me ages to write that reply, so it looks like I'm talking to myself, I was commenting after the 100k comment above..... I do own it and agree on value. I would be fine with it not increasing (comparatively) massively because I don't want the huge insurance premium or fear of having something so valuable on my wall. It's not that big an edition, for Banksy, is it? There are 750 Girl With Balloon, inc. signed and unsigned. Donuts is 598. Lots of big numbers on his editions. Interested if you meant anything specific on the crown? One of the reasons I like Banksquiat so much is that it has layers of meaning to it. I like that it's Banksy taking the piss out of himself, for jumping on the Basquiat ride with everyone else. But at the same time he's using the crown to show respect to someone who influenced him, in the same way Basquiat sometimes did. Could also say that where Basquiat crowned people, whether himself or his heroes, reverently, Banksy's ride is saying crowns are cheap now. You can have your ride as the king without earning it. I'm not that well read on Basquiat, so if there's another reading I'd love to know. Like you, Banksquiat isn't my favourite but I do love it. If it does hit a stupid price I may one day sell it and get a Soup Can instead. That's my favourite. I think it's the most elegant, witty encapsulation of Banksy. I was more meaning compared to say the edition of 25 CYW colour ways, or the soup can editions of 10, of which this should not IMO be as valuable (even though the soup can ed of 10, which is my favourite of all my pieces, seems to be nowhere near the price it should be).... Agreed, lots of large numbers in his editions previously. Comparing to older prints even with larger edition sizes is tough tho, not all survived, and not all were sold.....
Lots of views on the reason behind his crown online, some typically arty farty ideas, as well as some more basic ones. I didn't have a specific thought, just wondered if people had looked into it. It's such an obviously Basquiat crown to anyone who knows, but I wondered how many people had wondered about it, and how many had just thought, its Banksy, great I'll have that.... Good to hear your thinking behind it, and good that it means something to you. I guess the same thing could be said about CYW really....
Excuse any typos, on my phone and on my way home.
I can't see this as a 100k print, but for those who were lucky to buy it I hope it reaches those heights. I would value it around the same as morons personally, its a huge edition, and its not actually that approachable as a print imo... As much as I'd like one, and I would, I can't see it replacing any of my other pieces by Banksy that are on my walls at the moment.... Whereas there are some that if I was offered a straight swap for one of mine, I would do so.... Not taking into account value, just image at this point..... BTW, I wonder of the people who bought it, how many took the time to look into the meaning behind Basquiat's crown? Or to research him as an artist? I hope the majority, but I fear the minority.... Just a thought on a boring day. Edit- took me ages to write that reply, so it looks like I'm talking to myself, I was commenting after the 100k comment above..... I do own it and agree on value. I would be fine with it not increasing (comparatively) massively because I don't want the huge insurance premium or fear of having something so valuable on my wall. It's not that big an edition, for Banksy, is it? There are 750 Girl With Balloon, inc. signed and unsigned. Donuts is 598. Lots of big numbers on his editions. Interested if you meant anything specific on the crown? One of the reasons I like Banksquiat so much is that it has layers of meaning to it. I like that it's Banksy taking the piss out of himself, for jumping on the Basquiat ride with everyone else. But at the same time he's using the crown to show respect to someone who influenced him, in the same way Basquiat sometimes did. Could also say that where Basquiat crowned people, whether himself or his heroes, reverently, Banksy's ride is saying crowns are cheap now. You can have your ride as the king without earning it. I'm not that well read on Basquiat, so if there's another reading I'd love to know. Like you, Banksquiat isn't my favourite but I do love it. If it does hit a stupid price I may one day sell it and get a Soup Can instead. That's my favourite. I think it's the most elegant, witty encapsulation of Banksy. I was more meaning compared to say the edition of 25 CYW colour ways, or the soup can editions of 10, of which this should not IMO be as valuable (even though the soup can ed of 10, which is my favourite of all my pieces, seems to be nowhere near the price it should be).... Agreed, lots of large numbers in his editions previously. Comparing to older prints even with larger edition sizes is tough tho, not all survived, and not all were sold..... Lots of views on the reason behind his crown online, some typically arty farty ideas, as well as some more basic ones. I didn't have a specific thought, just wondered if people had looked into it. It's such an obviously Basquiat crown to anyone who knows, but I wondered how many people had wondered about it, and how many had just thought, its Banksy, great I'll have that.... Good to hear your thinking behind it, and good that it means something to you. I guess the same thing could be said about CYW really.... Excuse any typos, on my phone and on my way home.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Stonetown on Aug 26, 2020 17:02:36 GMT 1, Hand finished handles ๐ Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles.... I am an owner of a Bethlehem Trolleys and had it sent to a respected conservator to remove tape on the verso. While they had it I asked them to put the handles under the microscope so I could solve the 'hand finished' mystery. I had them include their findings, pics etc in the final report to me. They confirm that the handles were added after the fact. Its also visible where the orange color has slightly bled through to the back of the print. That all being said, I know it would be pure speculation whether it was done by B and PC doesn't list it as a hand finished print so I l leave it at that.
Hand finished handles ๐ Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles.... I am an owner of a Bethlehem Trolleys and had it sent to a respected conservator to remove tape on the verso. While they had it I asked them to put the handles under the microscope so I could solve the 'hand finished' mystery. I had them include their findings, pics etc in the final report to me. They confirm that the handles were added after the fact. Its also visible where the orange color has slightly bled through to the back of the print. That all being said, I know it would be pure speculation whether it was done by B and PC doesn't list it as a hand finished print so I l leave it at that.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 17:04:30 GMT 1, I do own it and agree on value. I would be fine with it not increasing (comparatively) massively because I don't want the huge insurance premium or fear of having something so valuable on my wall. It's not that big an edition, for Banksy, is it? There are 750 Girl With Balloon, inc. signed and unsigned. Donuts is 598. Lots of big numbers on his editions. Interested if you meant anything specific on the crown? One of the reasons I like Banksquiat so much is that it has layers of meaning to it. I like that it's Banksy taking the piss out of himself, for jumping on the Basquiat ride with everyone else. But at the same time he's using the crown to show respect to someone who influenced him, in the same way Basquiat sometimes did. Could also say that where Basquiat crowned people, whether himself or his heroes, reverently, Banksy's ride is saying crowns are cheap now. You can have your ride as the king without earning it. I'm not that well read on Basquiat, so if there's another reading I'd love to know. Like you, Banksquiat isn't my favourite but I do love it. If it does hit a stupid price I may one day sell it and get a Soup Can instead. That's my favourite. I think it's the most elegant, witty encapsulation of Banksy. I was more meaning compared to say the edition of 25 Choose Your Weapon colour ways, or the soup can editions of 10, of which this should not IMO be as valuable (even though the soup can ed of 10, which is my favourite of all my pieces, seems to be nowhere near the price it should be).... Agreed, lots of large numbers in his editions previously. Comparing to older prints even with larger edition sizes is tough tho, not all survived, and not all were sold..... Lots of views on the reason behind his crown online, some typically arty farty ideas, as well as some more basic ones. I didn't have a specific thought, just wondered if people had looked into it. It's such an obviously Basquiat crown to anyone who knows, but I wondered how many people had wondered about it, and how many had just thought, its Banksy, great I'll have that.... Good to hear your thinking behind it, and good that it means something to you. I guess the same thing could be said about Choose Your Weapon really.... Excuse any typos, on my phone and on my way home. Ah I see. Yes, totally makes sense when talking about it in the context of the other 'tribute' editions. I do not understand why Soup Can is not more sought after. Very envious that you have one.
If I'm honest, I don't know any meaning behind Choose Your Weapon, other than Haring tribute. Don't even know why it has that name. Will read up.
I do own it and agree on value. I would be fine with it not increasing (comparatively) massively because I don't want the huge insurance premium or fear of having something so valuable on my wall. It's not that big an edition, for Banksy, is it? There are 750 Girl With Balloon, inc. signed and unsigned. Donuts is 598. Lots of big numbers on his editions. Interested if you meant anything specific on the crown? One of the reasons I like Banksquiat so much is that it has layers of meaning to it. I like that it's Banksy taking the piss out of himself, for jumping on the Basquiat ride with everyone else. But at the same time he's using the crown to show respect to someone who influenced him, in the same way Basquiat sometimes did. Could also say that where Basquiat crowned people, whether himself or his heroes, reverently, Banksy's ride is saying crowns are cheap now. You can have your ride as the king without earning it. I'm not that well read on Basquiat, so if there's another reading I'd love to know. Like you, Banksquiat isn't my favourite but I do love it. If it does hit a stupid price I may one day sell it and get a Soup Can instead. That's my favourite. I think it's the most elegant, witty encapsulation of Banksy. I was more meaning compared to say the edition of 25 Choose Your Weapon colour ways, or the soup can editions of 10, of which this should not IMO be as valuable (even though the soup can ed of 10, which is my favourite of all my pieces, seems to be nowhere near the price it should be).... Agreed, lots of large numbers in his editions previously. Comparing to older prints even with larger edition sizes is tough tho, not all survived, and not all were sold..... Lots of views on the reason behind his crown online, some typically arty farty ideas, as well as some more basic ones. I didn't have a specific thought, just wondered if people had looked into it. It's such an obviously Basquiat crown to anyone who knows, but I wondered how many people had wondered about it, and how many had just thought, its Banksy, great I'll have that.... Good to hear your thinking behind it, and good that it means something to you. I guess the same thing could be said about Choose Your Weapon really.... Excuse any typos, on my phone and on my way home. Ah I see. Yes, totally makes sense when talking about it in the context of the other 'tribute' editions. I do not understand why Soup Can is not more sought after. Very envious that you have one. If I'm honest, I don't know any meaning behind Choose Your Weapon, other than Haring tribute. Don't even know why it has that name. Will read up.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Sundowner on Aug 26, 2020 17:06:17 GMT 1, Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles.... I am an owner of a Bethlehem Trolleys and had it sent to a respected conservator to remove tape on the verso. While they had it I asked them to put the handles under the microscope so I could solve the 'hand finished' mystery. I had them include their findings, pics etc in the final report to me. They confirm that the handles were added after the fact. Its also visible where the orange color has slightly bled through to the back of the print. That all being said, I know it would be pure speculation whether it was done by B and PC doesn't list it as a hand finished print so I l leave it at that. PC have 100% confirmed the handles are not hand finished on these prints. There is however a hand-finished version with green handles....
Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles.... I am an owner of a Bethlehem Trolleys and had it sent to a respected conservator to remove tape on the verso. While they had it I asked them to put the handles under the microscope so I could solve the 'hand finished' mystery. I had them include their findings, pics etc in the final report to me. They confirm that the handles were added after the fact. Its also visible where the orange color has slightly bled through to the back of the print. That all being said, I know it would be pure speculation whether it was done by B and PC doesn't list it as a hand finished print so I l leave it at that. PC have 100% confirmed the handles are not hand finished on these prints. There is however a hand-finished version with green handles....
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 17:10:29 GMT 1, I am an owner of a Bethlehem Trolleys and had it sent to a respected conservator to remove tape on the verso. While they had it I asked them to put the handles under the microscope so I could solve the 'hand finished' mystery. I had them include their findings, pics etc in the final report to me. They confirm that the handles were added after the fact. Its also visible where the orange color has slightly bled through to the back of the print. That all being said, I know it would be pure speculation whether it was done by B and PC doesn't list it as a hand finished print so I l leave it at that. The handles are screenprinted. You're screenprinted.
(I'm sorry, I'm bored)
I am an owner of a Bethlehem Trolleys and had it sent to a respected conservator to remove tape on the verso. While they had it I asked them to put the handles under the microscope so I could solve the 'hand finished' mystery. I had them include their findings, pics etc in the final report to me. They confirm that the handles were added after the fact. Its also visible where the orange color has slightly bled through to the back of the print. That all being said, I know it would be pure speculation whether it was done by B and PC doesn't list it as a hand finished print so I l leave it at that. The handles are screenprinted. You're screenprinted. (I'm sorry, I'm bored)
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Lazarus II on Aug 26, 2020 17:11:24 GMT 1, Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles.... I am an owner of a Bethlehem Trolleys and had it sent to a respected conservator to remove tape on the verso. While they had it I asked them to put the handles under the microscope so I could solve the 'hand finished' mystery. I had them include their findings, pics etc in the final report to me. They confirm that the handles were added after the fact. Its also visible where the orange color has slightly bled through to the back of the print. That all being said, I know it would be pure speculation whether it was done by B and PC doesn't list it as a hand finished print so I l leave it at that.ย its good to see that youโve probably got a better handle on this than anyone else, iโll get my coat...
Incorrect - for the avoidance of doubt these don't have hand finished handles.... I am an owner of a Bethlehem Trolleys and had it sent to a respected conservator to remove tape on the verso. While they had it I asked them to put the handles under the microscope so I could solve the 'hand finished' mystery. I had them include their findings, pics etc in the final report to me. They confirm that the handles were added after the fact. Its also visible where the orange color has slightly bled through to the back of the print. That all being said, I know it would be pure speculation whether it was done by B and PC doesn't list it as a hand finished print so I l leave it at that.ย its good to see that youโve probably got a better handle on this than anyone else, iโll get my coat...
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Stonetown
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Stonetown on Aug 26, 2020 17:15:19 GMT 1, PC have 100% confirmed the handles are not hand finished on these prints. There is however a hand-finished version with green handles.... The upper-middle-class Waitrose edition... Definitely dont need to start a debate. Happy to share the report privately if you are interested. Feel free to DM.
PC have 100% confirmed the handles are not hand finished on these prints. There is however a hand-finished version with green handles.... The upper-middle-class Waitrose edition... Definitely dont need to start a debate. Happy to share the report privately if you are interested. Feel free to DM.
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nex
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by nex on Aug 26, 2020 17:22:28 GMT 1, I am an owner of a Bethlehem Trolleys and had it sent to a respected conservator to remove tape on the verso. While they had it I asked them to put the handles under the microscope so I could solve the 'hand finished' mystery. I had them include their findings, pics etc in the final report to me. They confirm that the handles were added after the fact. Its also visible where the orange color has slightly bled through to the back of the print. That all being said, I know it would be pure speculation whether it was done by B and PC doesn't list it as a hand finished print so I l leave it at that.ย The handles are screenprinted.
Hand finished handles almost as exciting as the ice cream van giving out prints at cans ....
I am an owner of a Bethlehem Trolleys and had it sent to a respected conservator to remove tape on the verso. While they had it I asked them to put the handles under the microscope so I could solve the 'hand finished' mystery. I had them include their findings, pics etc in the final report to me. They confirm that the handles were added after the fact. Its also visible where the orange color has slightly bled through to the back of the print. That all being said, I know it would be pure speculation whether it was done by B and PC doesn't list it as a hand finished print so I l leave it at that.ย The handles are screenprinted. Hand finished handles almost as exciting as the ice cream van giving out prints at cans ....
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Sundowner on Aug 26, 2020 17:23:37 GMT 1, The upper-middle-class Waitrose edition... Definitely dont need to start a debate. Happy to share the report privately if you are interested. Feel free to DM.ย
Pest Control confirmed this edition was not hand-finished the last time this went to auction. Suggest you ask daniel3886 to verify rather than try to create speculation on here.
The upper-middle-class Waitrose edition... Definitely dont need to start a debate. Happy to share the report privately if you are interested. Feel free to DM.ย Pest Control confirmed this edition was not hand-finished the last time this went to auction. Suggest you ask daniel3886 to verify rather than try to create speculation on here.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 17:28:42 GMT 1, I've never seen a Monkey Parliament poster in real life. Are they particularly excellent quality? Struggling to see how people pay ยฃ5k+ for them, even if the painting did sell for millions.
I've never seen a Monkey Parliament poster in real life. Are they particularly excellent quality? Struggling to see how people pay ยฃ5k+ for them, even if the painting did sell for millions.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Stonetown on Aug 26, 2020 17:43:16 GMT 1, Definitely dont need to start a debate. Happy to share the report privately if you are interested. Feel free to DM. Pest Control confirmed this edition was not hand-finished the last time this went to auction. Suggest you ask daniel3886 to verify rather than try to create speculation on here. In my original post I already conceded that PC lists it as not hand finished. Which I also said is all that matters. I hope that's enough. I will shut up now.
Definitely dont need to start a debate. Happy to share the report privately if you are interested. Feel free to DM. Pest Control confirmed this edition was not hand-finished the last time this went to auction. Suggest you ask daniel3886 to verify rather than try to create speculation on here. In my original post I already conceded that PC lists it as not hand finished. Which I also said is all that matters. I hope that's enough. I will shut up now.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by 1st Design on Aug 26, 2020 18:15:38 GMT 1, Auction actually ends on Thursday. Still at ยฃ50k with 3 bidders Already well overpriced.
The bids are now on 55k (bids) on the Basquiat. And I Think it raise with 5k for every bids, I Think 5k is a large jump..
Auction actually ends on Thursday. Still at ยฃ50k with 3 bidders Already well overpriced. The bids are now on 55k (bids) on the Basquiat. And I Think it raise with 5k for every bids, I Think 5k is a large jump..
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Fuzzyduck121 on Aug 26, 2020 18:24:29 GMT 1, re: Banksquiat
I make that ยฃ74,000 after fees at the current bid and without PC
I suspect this has a little more to go in this auction and that the lack of PC induces a value reduction of 20% or a bit more so ultimately this will be around 100K when all settles down in my view.
re: Banksquiat
I make that ยฃ74,000 after fees at the current bid and without PC
I suspect this has a little more to go in this auction and that the lack of PC induces a value reduction of 20% or a bit more so ultimately this will be around 100K when all settles down in my view.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by duffer31 on Aug 26, 2020 18:45:50 GMT 1, Any prices in the other Banksy prints?
Any prices in the other Banksy prints?
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by Pattycakes on Aug 26, 2020 20:30:39 GMT 1, The upper-middle-class Waitrose edition... Definitely dont need to start a debate. Happy to share the report privately if you are interested. Feel free to DM. I actually watched Ben pulling a number the Trolleys prints, I can confirm 100% that all of the ones I saw pulled were screen printed.
The upper-middle-class Waitrose edition... Definitely dont need to start a debate. Happy to share the report privately if you are interested. Feel free to DM. I actually watched Ben pulling a number the Trolleys prints, I can confirm 100% that all of the ones I saw pulled were screen printed.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by jp on Aug 26, 2020 23:35:43 GMT 1, I've never seen a Monkey Parliament poster in real life. Are they particularly excellent quality? Struggling to see how people pay ยฃ5k+ for them, even if the painting did sell for millions. It's pretty good for a 10 pound poster. The paper has a good weight, but the image itself is a bit muddled in some places, and color separation leaves something to be desired. The upper left hand corner of the poster is where you see this the most IMO.
In contrast, the painting was absolutely fantastic. One of the best things at the 2009 show.
I've never seen a Monkey Parliament poster in real life. Are they particularly excellent quality? Struggling to see how people pay ยฃ5k+ for them, even if the painting did sell for millions. It's pretty good for a 10 pound poster. The paper has a good weight, but the image itself is a bit muddled in some places, and color separation leaves something to be desired. The upper left hand corner of the poster is where you see this the most IMO. In contrast, the painting was absolutely fantastic. One of the best things at the 2009 show.
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by UK Art Dealer on Aug 27, 2020 0:15:13 GMT 1, I've never seen a Monkey Parliament poster in real life. Are they particularly excellent quality? Struggling to see how people pay ยฃ5k+ for them, even if the painting did sell for millions. brilliant quality in real life and the only chance of owning something that is a brilliant image and a game changer in terms of market prices, can see why they are what they are - currently 1/3rd a print
I've never seen a Monkey Parliament poster in real life. Are they particularly excellent quality? Struggling to see how people pay ยฃ5k+ for them, even if the painting did sell for millions. brilliant quality in real life and the only chance of owning something that is a brilliant image and a game changer in terms of market prices, can see why they are what they are - currently 1/3rd a print
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TateWard โข Art Auctions ๐ฌ๐ง, by coller on Aug 27, 2020 0:39:25 GMT 1, ppl will be saying this about the palestine poster in five years.
if you have 4-5k, and your decision is to spend it on a monkey parliament poster, then there's not much that can be done, frankly.
ppl will be saying this about the palestine poster in five years.
if you have 4-5k, and your decision is to spend it on a monkey parliament poster, then there's not much that can be done, frankly.
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