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Problems with bonhams , by Pint of cockles on Mar 10, 2021 19:03:07 GMT 1, Hello
Has anyone had problems with Bonhams
I purchased a Banksy in there recent auction
They clearly stated it has a coa
But now saying itโs pending
Hello
Has anyone had problems with Bonhams
I purchased a Banksy in there recent auction
They clearly stated it has a coa
But now saying itโs pending
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Philpenn
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Problems with bonhams , by Philpenn on Mar 10, 2021 19:12:24 GMT 1, Yikes. Posting to follow along, as I was planning on listing something with them.
Yikes. Posting to follow along, as I was planning on listing something with them.
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Problems with bonhams , by JW on Mar 10, 2021 19:19:09 GMT 1, Not sure if this gives you any comfort, but Pest Control states this on the "Keep it Real" section:
Note: Christies, Sothebys, Phillips, Bonhams and Forum Auctions check the authenticity of all their Banksy artworks with Pest Control Office prior to consigning.
pestcontroloffice.com/buy2.asp
I guess whether they have the COA in hand or not is a different story?
Not sure if this gives you any comfort, but Pest Control states this on the "Keep it Real" section: Note: Christies, Sothebys, Phillips, Bonhams and Forum Auctions check the authenticity of all their Banksy artworks with Pest Control Office prior to consigning.pestcontroloffice.com/buy2.aspI guess whether they have the COA in hand or not is a different story? |
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Problems with bonhams , by Reader on Mar 10, 2021 19:34:26 GMT 1, There's a backlog for anything they need to check "in person" due to covid restrictions etc
There's a backlog for anything they need to check "in person" due to covid restrictions etc
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Problems with bonhams , by mission on Mar 10, 2021 19:47:02 GMT 1, Yes I withdrew my payment for same reason !
Itโs illegal what they have done
Coas not released until after Covid
How long is a piece of string ๐คทโโ๏ธ๐คทโโ๏ธ
I will not be purchasing and have told them same
Yes I withdrew my payment for same reason !
Itโs illegal what they have done
Coas not released until after Covid
How long is a piece of string ๐คทโโ๏ธ๐คทโโ๏ธ
I will not be purchasing and have told them same
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Problems with bonhams , by Pint of cockles on Mar 10, 2021 19:53:05 GMT 1, I have made payment they are now refusing a refund
It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control
But now they saying itโs pending
Not sure what my options are
I have made payment they are now refusing a refund
It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control
But now they saying itโs pending
Not sure what my options are
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Problems with bonhams , by reg on Mar 10, 2021 19:56:45 GMT 1, Stating that the print has a cao and also it being pending can both actually be true.
In other words the piece is eligible for one and PC will issue one.
Stating that the print has a cao and also it being pending can both actually be true.
In other words the piece is eligible for one and PC will issue one.
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Problems with bonhams , by DAVID HOCKNEY on Mar 10, 2021 19:58:13 GMT 1, I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are
Why can't you wait for the COA?
I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are Why can't you wait for the COA? |
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Problems with bonhams , by JW on Mar 10, 2021 20:02:35 GMT 1, I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are
Email PC to confirm it is eligible?
That should be as good as having one in hand.
I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are Email PC to confirm it is eligible? That should be as good as having one in hand. |
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Problems with bonhams , by DAVID HOCKNEY on Mar 10, 2021 20:06:19 GMT 1, I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are Email PC to confirm it is eligible? That should be as good as having one in hand.
It's already been authenticated. COA is pending. Bonhams check all Banksy's with PC before the auctions.
I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are Email PC to confirm it is eligible? That should be as good as having one in hand. It's already been authenticated. COA is pending. Bonhams check all Banksy's with PC before the auctions. |
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Problems with bonhams , by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 10, 2021 20:06:33 GMT 1, I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are
If it states 'accompanied' legally I don't think they would have a leg to stand on. If you want the print though, it might be worth trying for a big reduction in the buyers fees.
I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are If it states 'accompanied' legally I don't think they would have a leg to stand on. If you want the print though, it might be worth trying for a big reduction in the buyers fees. |
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Problems with bonhams , by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 20:07:36 GMT 1, Hello Has anyone had problems with Bonhams I purchased a Banksy in there recent auction They clearly stated it has a coa But now saying itโs pending
Dont fret. They will have applied for it prior to sale. Covid restrictions and crap postal services will be holding it up.
Hello Has anyone had problems with Bonhams I purchased a Banksy in there recent auction They clearly stated it has a coa But now saying itโs pending Dont fret. They will have applied for it prior to sale. Covid restrictions and crap postal services will be holding it up. |
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Problems with bonhams , by Pint of cockles on Mar 10, 2021 20:08:25 GMT 1, I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are Why can't you wait for the COA?
Few reasons
I would have not paid as much if itโs pending
Last auction I purchased no coa waited 11months
Itโs hard to sell on with a coa pending
Feel if they say itโs got one one would assume they telling the truth
I have made payment they are now refusing a refund It clear stated itโs accompanied with a COA issued from pest control But now they saying itโs pending Not sure what my options are Why can't you wait for the COA? Few reasons I would have not paid as much if itโs pending Last auction I purchased no coa waited 11months Itโs hard to sell on with a coa pending Feel if they say itโs got one one would assume they telling the truth |
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Problems with bonhams , by JW on Mar 10, 2021 20:17:27 GMT 1, Email PC to confirm it is eligible? That should be as good as having one in hand. It's already been authenticated. COA is pending. Bonhams check all Banksy's with PC before the auctions.
It was more a suggestion to the buyer so they could personally get comfortable.
Email PC to confirm it is eligible? That should be as good as having one in hand. It's already been authenticated. COA is pending. Bonhams check all Banksy's with PC before the auctions. Yes I know, hence my earlier post stating exactly that. It was more a suggestion to the buyer so they could personally get comfortable. |
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Problems with bonhams , by Dubman on Mar 11, 2021 12:57:45 GMT 1, You'll get the COA soon (holds breath) PCO are not in the office due to covid (turns blue) they will send it out on their return (dies)*.
*been waiting for change of ownership on a few prints since last August.....
You'll get the COA soon (holds breath) PCO are not in the office due to covid (turns blue) they will send it out on their return (dies)*.
*been waiting for change of ownership on a few prints since last August.....
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Problems with bonhams , by LJCal on Mar 11, 2021 14:03:04 GMT 1, Why can't you wait for the COA? Few reasons I would have not paid as much if itโs pending Last auction I purchased no coa waited 11months Itโs hard to sell on with a coa pending Feel if they say itโs got one one would assume they telling the truth
Why can't you wait for the COA? Few reasons I would have not paid as much if itโs pending Last auction I purchased no coa waited 11months Itโs hard to sell on with a coa pending Feel if they say itโs got one one would assume they telling the truth Get a lawyer to write them a letter, it's pretty straight forward and once they think you'll make a claim they'll fold. |
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Problems with bonhams , by DAVID HOCKNEY on Mar 11, 2021 14:17:07 GMT 1, from Bonhams Terms and conditions:
Contractual Description of a Lot.
The Online Sales Catalogue contains an Entry about each Lot. Each Lot is sold by its respective Seller to the Buyer of the Lot as corresponding only with that part of the Entry which is printed in bold or upper case letters (except for the colour, which may be inaccurately reproduced) in the Online Sales Catalogue. The remainder of the Entry, which is not printed in bold or upper case letters, represents Bonhamsโ opinion (given on behalf of the Seller) about the Lot only and is not part of the Contractual Description in accordance with which the Lot is sold by the Seller.
from Bonhams Terms and conditions:
Contractual Description of a Lot.
The Online Sales Catalogue contains an Entry about each Lot. Each Lot is sold by its respective Seller to the Buyer of the Lot as corresponding only with that part of the Entry which is printed in bold or upper case letters (except for the colour, which may be inaccurately reproduced) in the Online Sales Catalogue. The remainder of the Entry, which is not printed in bold or upper case letters, represents Bonhamsโ opinion (given on behalf of the Seller) about the Lot only and is not part of the Contractual Description in accordance with which the Lot is sold by the Seller.
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Problems with bonhams , by themenya6 on Mar 11, 2021 15:25:05 GMT 1, You could offer it up here for sale even with the pending COA, what print was it?
You could offer it up here for sale even with the pending COA, what print was it?
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Problems with bonhams , by JFCC on Mar 11, 2021 17:58:25 GMT 1, Bonhams have become very difficult to deal with of late, it seems to match the poor quality sales of late. Their condition reports have come at best "generous" and they are quite happy to fall out with long standing customers.
The COA point is shoddy, I have had similar with another Auction house, but they held their hands up and they actually said I could do whatever I wanted as I had paid in full. I kept the piece as I am well aware that Pending means approved and they guaranteed money back if anything went wrong which it didn't. I got my certificate in 2 months.
Additionally I have use the Pest Control Authentication service now a few times and it was very quick, the longest was just over a couple of months all done!
Bonhams have become very difficult to deal with of late, it seems to match the poor quality sales of late. Their condition reports have come at best "generous" and they are quite happy to fall out with long standing customers.
The COA point is shoddy, I have had similar with another Auction house, but they held their hands up and they actually said I could do whatever I wanted as I had paid in full. I kept the piece as I am well aware that Pending means approved and they guaranteed money back if anything went wrong which it didn't. I got my certificate in 2 months.
Additionally I have use the Pest Control Authentication service now a few times and it was very quick, the longest was just over a couple of months all done!
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Problems with bonhams , by DAVID HOCKNEY on Mar 11, 2021 18:21:28 GMT 1, from Bonhams Terms and conditions: Contractual Description of a Lot. The Online Sales Catalogue contains an Entry about each Lot. Each Lot is sold by its respective Seller to the Buyer of the Lot as corresponding only with that part of the Entry which is printed in bold or upper case letters (except for the colour, which may be inaccurately reproduced) in the Online Sales Catalogue. The remainder of the Entry, which is not printed in bold or upper case letters, represents Bonhamsโ opinion (given on behalf of the Seller) about the Lot only and is not part of the Contractual Description in accordance with which the Lot is sold by the Seller.So what are they actually saying here? ย Are they saying that "the reminder of the entry..." can be complete rubbish and the buyer does not have any legal comeback?ย
All auction houses have the same caveat. Catalogue descriptions are opinion only, not statements of fact.
from Bonhams Terms and conditions: Contractual Description of a Lot. The Online Sales Catalogue contains an Entry about each Lot. Each Lot is sold by its respective Seller to the Buyer of the Lot as corresponding only with that part of the Entry which is printed in bold or upper case letters (except for the colour, which may be inaccurately reproduced) in the Online Sales Catalogue. The remainder of the Entry, which is not printed in bold or upper case letters, represents Bonhamsโ opinion (given on behalf of the Seller) about the Lot only and is not part of the Contractual Description in accordance with which the Lot is sold by the Seller.So what are they actually saying here? ย Are they saying that "the reminder of the entry..." can be complete rubbish and the buyer does not have any legal comeback?ย All auction houses have the same caveat. Catalogue descriptions are opinion only, not statements of fact. |
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Problems with bonhams , by LJCal on Mar 11, 2021 19:34:34 GMT 1, So what are they actually saying here? ย Are they saying that "the reminder of the entry..." can be complete rubbish and the buyer does not have any legal comeback?ย All auction houses have the same caveat. Catalogue descriptions are opinion only, not statements of fact.
They also have certain statutory obligations that cannot be disclaimered away or contracted around. Plenty of case law of auction houses hiding behind terms of business and being on the wrong end of a claim. Personally I think heโs got enough to put pressure on them, even if itโs just to get a discount on the fees. I probably wouldnโt recommend anything more than a nasty letter from a lawyer as if they want to defend it will get expensive.
So what are they actually saying here? ย Are they saying that "the reminder of the entry..." can be complete rubbish and the buyer does not have any legal comeback?ย All auction houses have the same caveat. Catalogue descriptions are opinion only, not statements of fact. They also have certain statutory obligations that cannot be disclaimered away or contracted around. Plenty of case law of auction houses hiding behind terms of business and being on the wrong end of a claim. Personally I think heโs got enough to put pressure on them, even if itโs just to get a discount on the fees. I probably wouldnโt recommend anything more than a nasty letter from a lawyer as if they want to defend it will get expensive. |
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