sandinista
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Screenprint imperfections, by sandinista on May 7, 2021 18:13:40 GMT 1, How fussy are you when it comes to screenprints? I recently bought a print and it arrived with several flecks in the print. I queried it with the artist and they said they were all like that and that you get imperfections with screenprints and should buy digital if that bothered. They do bother me as does layers being off. Am I being too fussy?
How fussy are you when it comes to screenprints? I recently bought a print and it arrived with several flecks in the print. I queried it with the artist and they said they were all like that and that you get imperfections with screenprints and should buy digital if that bothered. They do bother me as does layers being off. Am I being too fussy?
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Wanchope
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Screenprint imperfections, by Wanchope on May 7, 2021 18:21:24 GMT 1, How fussy are you when it comes to screenprints? I recently bought a print and it arrived with several flecks in the print. I queried it with the artist and they said they were all like that and that you get imperfections with screenprints and should buy digital if that bothered. They do bother me as does layers being off. Am I being too fussy? i guess it can be part of the process but I do agree with you. Itโs what they do ( print making for a living) so why not get it right, you wouldnโt accept a new car with a few imperfections so why the art world gets away with it who knows? Obviously the more expensive the artwork the more it would piss you off I guess
How fussy are you when it comes to screenprints? I recently bought a print and it arrived with several flecks in the print. I queried it with the artist and they said they were all like that and that you get imperfections with screenprints and should buy digital if that bothered. They do bother me as does layers being off. Am I being too fussy? i guess it can be part of the process but I do agree with you. Itโs what they do ( print making for a living) so why not get it right, you wouldnโt accept a new car with a few imperfections so why the art world gets away with it who knows? Obviously the more expensive the artwork the more it would piss you off I guess
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artzzzy
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Screenprint imperfections, by artzzzy on May 7, 2021 18:37:40 GMT 1, How fussy are you when it comes to screenprints? I recently bought a print and it arrived with several flecks in the print. I queried it with the artist and they said they were all like that and that you get imperfections with screenprints and should buy digital if that bothered. They do bother me as does layers being off. Am I being too fussy?
No, youโre not being fussy
Iโm the same like you
Itโs just an excuse they are telling you to avoid admitting they did a shitty job with the print
So unprofessional
How fussy are you when it comes to screenprints? I recently bought a print and it arrived with several flecks in the print. I queried it with the artist and they said they were all like that and that you get imperfections with screenprints and should buy digital if that bothered. They do bother me as does layers being off. Am I being too fussy? No, youโre not being fussy Iโm the same like you Itโs just an excuse they are telling you to avoid admitting they did a shitty job with the print So unprofessional
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Screenprint imperfections, by Happy Shopper on May 7, 2021 19:03:44 GMT 1, How fussy are you when it comes to screenprints? I recently bought a print and it arrived with several flecks in the print. I queried it with the artist and they said they were all like that and that you get imperfections with screenprints and should buy digital if that bothered. They do bother me as does layers being off. Am I being too fussy? Depends on the style of print. Handmade, like early Banksy and most Bast and Faile prints, it's totally normal to be rough.
How fussy are you when it comes to screenprints? I recently bought a print and it arrived with several flecks in the print. I queried it with the artist and they said they were all like that and that you get imperfections with screenprints and should buy digital if that bothered. They do bother me as does layers being off. Am I being too fussy? Depends on the style of print. Handmade, like early Banksy and most Bast and Faile prints, it's totally normal to be rough.
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Screenprint imperfections, by Coach on May 7, 2021 19:04:39 GMT 1, If itโs from the artist direct (Rather than a major print house like Heni), and he says they are all like that, and it was an image I like very much, Iโd be ok with it.
If itโs from the artist direct (Rather than a major print house like Heni), and he says they are all like that, and it was an image I like very much, Iโd be ok with it.
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esfer
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Screenprint imperfections, by esfer on May 7, 2021 20:14:10 GMT 1, How fussy are you when it comes to screenprints? I recently bought a print and it arrived with several flecks in the print. I queried it with the artist and they said they were all like that and that you get imperfections with screenprints and should buy digital if that bothered. They do bother me as does layers being off. Am I being too fussy?
I think you are possibly being fussy if the artist says they are all the same. The artist would know. My screen prints are all very slightly different too, because as you make the prints, small imperfections are made from one to the next. What I recommend is standing a few feet away and see if any of those things still bother you. If you can notice things, that you were unable to notice in the original sales thread, then maybe a refund or exchange is in order. You could also send the artist a picture of what you're talking about, in case yours has damage that the artist wasn't aware of.
Good luck.
How fussy are you when it comes to screenprints? I recently bought a print and it arrived with several flecks in the print. I queried it with the artist and they said they were all like that and that you get imperfections with screenprints and should buy digital if that bothered. They do bother me as does layers being off. Am I being too fussy? I think you are possibly being fussy if the artist says they are all the same. The artist would know. My screen prints are all very slightly different too, because as you make the prints, small imperfections are made from one to the next. What I recommend is standing a few feet away and see if any of those things still bother you. If you can notice things, that you were unable to notice in the original sales thread, then maybe a refund or exchange is in order. You could also send the artist a picture of what you're talking about, in case yours has damage that the artist wasn't aware of. Good luck.
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d.r. perseus
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Screenprint imperfections, by d.r. perseus on May 7, 2021 23:20:01 GMT 1, When something bothers me it always bothers me with regard to new prints
When something bothers me it always bothers me with regard to new prints
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kwatis
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Screenprint imperfections, by kwatis on May 8, 2021 3:32:16 GMT 1, sandinista, can I ask what print/artist it is?
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vic
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Screenprint imperfections, by vic on May 8, 2021 7:48:00 GMT 1, Surely depends on the style, some art looks better for the imperfections- Bast being the best example. For the artist to say you should buy digital I'd send it straight back
Surely depends on the style, some art looks better for the imperfections- Bast being the best example. For the artist to say you should buy digital I'd send it straight back
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mak600
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Screenprint imperfections, by mak600 on May 8, 2021 18:32:56 GMT 1, Print making is an old fashioned, hand produced, artform in itself - Iโve watched one of the best in the business put huge effort into creating work on ancient tables heโs rescued and restored from scratch - if you want work produced by hand, with multiple screens, by what is essentially a craft from days gone by then imperfections, idiosyncrasies or โfeelโ is what you are likely to get.
If you want digital perfection then yes you should probably buy stuff printed on an expensive inkjet.
Or even better, just buy an NFT.
i remember the days when the chat and the obsession was purely on the image and/or the message. Those days seem long gone, sadly.
Print making is an old fashioned, hand produced, artform in itself - Iโve watched one of the best in the business put huge effort into creating work on ancient tables heโs rescued and restored from scratch - if you want work produced by hand, with multiple screens, by what is essentially a craft from days gone by then imperfections, idiosyncrasies or โfeelโ is what you are likely to get.
If you want digital perfection then yes you should probably buy stuff printed on an expensive inkjet.
Or even better, just buy an NFT.
i remember the days when the chat and the obsession was purely on the image and/or the message. Those days seem long gone, sadly.
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Screenprint imperfections, by Deleted on May 9, 2021 19:31:10 GMT 1, I often get flecks in my screenprints. Recently did an edition of 30 and wasnt til i got home and preparing to sign them that i noticed several flecks in the background layer. I wrote them off for an edition but may sell those and others as a pp or discounted at a fair. Lots of people tell me im too fussy and its expected, but i dont want the grief of sending a ยฃ40 print to usa and then have to send another.
I often get flecks in my screenprints. Recently did an edition of 30 and wasnt til i got home and preparing to sign them that i noticed several flecks in the background layer. I wrote them off for an edition but may sell those and others as a pp or discounted at a fair. Lots of people tell me im too fussy and its expected, but i dont want the grief of sending a ยฃ40 print to usa and then have to send another.
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tab1
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Screenprint imperfections, by tab1 on May 9, 2021 22:45:16 GMT 1, Isnโt this the whole point of printers proofs and test proofs to run the image through the screens to check everything is perfect and the artist is happy with the process before printing the main edition? Or are they another cash grab
Isnโt this the whole point of printers proofs and test proofs to run the image through the screens to check everything is perfect and the artist is happy with the process before printing the main edition? Or are they another cash grab
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Screenprint imperfections, by Coach on May 10, 2021 0:04:03 GMT 1, Isnโt this the whole point of printers prooFor Sale and test prooFor Sale to run the image through the screens to check everything is perfect and the artist is happy with the process before printing the main edition? Or are they another cash grab
For every hugely successful artist there are numerous fledgling/emerging/not well known artists trying to make or supplement a living. I donโt think itโs fair to describe their efforts as a โcash grabโ.
Isnโt this the whole point of printers prooFor Sale and test prooFor Sale to run the image through the screens to check everything is perfect and the artist is happy with the process before printing the main edition? Or are they another cash grab For every hugely successful artist there are numerous fledgling/emerging/not well known artists trying to make or supplement a living. I donโt think itโs fair to describe their efforts as a โcash grabโ.
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teabaggins
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Screenprint imperfections, by teabaggins on May 10, 2021 1:10:10 GMT 1, Isnโt this the whole point of printers prooFor Sale and test prooFor Sale to run the image through the screens to check everything is perfect and the artist is happy with the process before printing the main edition? Or are they another cash grab PPโs are also often gifts from the edition to the printer from the artist. Not the same as a test print to ensure the process works.
Isnโt this the whole point of printers prooFor Sale and test prooFor Sale to run the image through the screens to check everything is perfect and the artist is happy with the process before printing the main edition? Or are they another cash grab PPโs are also often gifts from the edition to the printer from the artist. Not the same as a test print to ensure the process works.
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tab1
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Screenprint imperfections, by tab1 on May 10, 2021 1:33:26 GMT 1, Isnโt this the whole point of printers prooFor Sale and test prooFor Sale to run the image through the screens to check everything is perfect and the artist is happy with the process before printing the main edition? Or are they another cash grab For every hugely successful artist there are numerous fledgling/emerging/not well known artists trying to make or supplement a living. I donโt think itโs fair to describe their efforts as a โcash grabโ. when the prints are well over ยฃ100 each, quality control should be a paramount objective for the customer, a different story if they were inexpensive
Isnโt this the whole point of printers prooFor Sale and test prooFor Sale to run the image through the screens to check everything is perfect and the artist is happy with the process before printing the main edition? Or are they another cash grab For every hugely successful artist there are numerous fledgling/emerging/not well known artists trying to make or supplement a living. I donโt think itโs fair to describe their efforts as a โcash grabโ. when the prints are well over ยฃ100 each, quality control should be a paramount objective for the customer, a different story if they were inexpensive
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Screenprint imperfections, by tab1 on May 10, 2021 1:35:07 GMT 1, Isnโt this the whole point of printers prooFor Sale and test prooFor Sale to run the image through the screens to check everything is perfect and the artist is happy with the process before printing the main edition? Or are they another cash grab PPโs are also often gifts from the edition to the printer from the artist. Not the same as a test print to ensure the process works.
www.printshop.org/glossary/
Imagine if a banksy bon a tirer proof came to auction?
Isnโt this the whole point of printers prooFor Sale and test prooFor Sale to run the image through the screens to check everything is perfect and the artist is happy with the process before printing the main edition? Or are they another cash grab PPโs are also often gifts from the edition to the printer from the artist. Not the same as a test print to ensure the process works. www.printshop.org/glossary/Imagine if a banksy bon a tirer proof came to auction?
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Screenprint imperfections, by Deleted on May 10, 2021 10:56:31 GMT 1, In my example I printed a whole edition without noticing the flecks in the studio. I wont be selling those other than as a second (whatever the term is) but thats my personal view that the specks would bother me as a buyer. Screenprinting can be very frustrating and you can get different issue with every pull. I've had black flecks of ink where the emulsion hasn't washed out properly or a piece of grit has blocked, and not noticed until too late, despite checking on a light box ( I wear glasses). I've had flecks of white from an ink. ink dries in screens so you can get issues with the ink going down uniform. ink on prints from your hands, from the table, drying rack. Dinks and bends in paper etc.. If I want to print a 3 layer edition of 20 i might have to print 40 prints. I could muck up 5 of each layer leaving me with 35, 5 will be kept back in case of issues/postage and i would end up keeping 1 for myself and sell the others as AP's. i don't do Planned PP's
In my example I printed a whole edition without noticing the flecks in the studio. I wont be selling those other than as a second (whatever the term is) but thats my personal view that the specks would bother me as a buyer. Screenprinting can be very frustrating and you can get different issue with every pull. I've had black flecks of ink where the emulsion hasn't washed out properly or a piece of grit has blocked, and not noticed until too late, despite checking on a light box ( I wear glasses). I've had flecks of white from an ink. ink dries in screens so you can get issues with the ink going down uniform. ink on prints from your hands, from the table, drying rack. Dinks and bends in paper etc.. If I want to print a 3 layer edition of 20 i might have to print 40 prints. I could muck up 5 of each layer leaving me with 35, 5 will be kept back in case of issues/postage and i would end up keeping 1 for myself and sell the others as AP's. i don't do Planned PP's
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Screenprint imperfections, by Deleted on May 10, 2021 11:19:03 GMT 1, Isnโt this the whole point of printers prooFor Sale and test prooFor Sale to run the image through the screens to check everything is perfect and the artist is happy with the process before printing the main edition? Or are they another cash grab If i did full test prints my prices would be a lot more. i cant speak for print shops but as an individual if I had a 6 layer print and wanted to create a couple of test prints I would need 6 screens coated and exposed I would have to wash them up after pulling each layer and would probably take me a few days to complete. studios normally charge per half day session so this would be 6 sessions.
process is jetWash and dry each screen Coat each screen with emulsion Expose each screen wash out and dry each screen check each screen for pin holes/blockages, fill if needed. Dry again if filled. prepare each screen ready for printing. Wash each screen between colours or if ink dries. This is without the initial design and printing positives, mixing ink/mediums etc.
Hope that helps understand the effort and potential failure points especially without 20/20 vision. As opposed to press print button
Isnโt this the whole point of printers prooFor Sale and test prooFor Sale to run the image through the screens to check everything is perfect and the artist is happy with the process before printing the main edition? Or are they another cash grab If i did full test prints my prices would be a lot more. i cant speak for print shops but as an individual if I had a 6 layer print and wanted to create a couple of test prints I would need 6 screens coated and exposed I would have to wash them up after pulling each layer and would probably take me a few days to complete. studios normally charge per half day session so this would be 6 sessions. process is jetWash and dry each screen Coat each screen with emulsion Expose each screen wash out and dry each screen check each screen for pin holes/blockages, fill if needed. Dry again if filled. prepare each screen ready for printing. Wash each screen between colours or if ink dries. This is without the initial design and printing positives, mixing ink/mediums etc. Hope that helps understand the effort and potential failure points especially without 20/20 vision. As opposed to press print button
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tab1
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Screenprint imperfections, by tab1 on May 10, 2021 12:02:24 GMT 1, Isnโt this the whole point of printers prooFor Sale and test prooFor Sale to run the image through the screens to check everything is perfect and the artist is happy with the process before printing the main edition? Or are they another cash grab If i did full test prints my prices would be a lot more. i cant speak for print shops but as an individual if I had a 6 layer print and wanted to create a couple of test prints I would need 6 screens coated and exposed I would have to wash them up after pulling each layer and would probably take me a few days to complete. studios normally charge per half day session so this would be 6 sessions. process isย jetWash and dry each screen Coat each screen with emulsion Expose each screen wash out and dry each screen check each screen for pin holes/blockages, fill if needed. Dry again if filled. prepare each screen ready for printing. Wash each screen between colours or if ink dries. This is without the initial design and printing positives, mixing ink/mediums etc. Hope that helps understand the effort and potential failure points especially without 20/20 vision. As opposed to press print button
Which is transferred into the costs of the prints, Your prints are low cost and affordable so not used in this point. When an edition of 200+ and prints are ยฃ100/200+ then the process is expected ?
Isnโt this the whole point of printers prooFor Sale and test prooFor Sale to run the image through the screens to check everything is perfect and the artist is happy with the process before printing the main edition? Or are they another cash grab If i did full test prints my prices would be a lot more. i cant speak for print shops but as an individual if I had a 6 layer print and wanted to create a couple of test prints I would need 6 screens coated and exposed I would have to wash them up after pulling each layer and would probably take me a few days to complete. studios normally charge per half day session so this would be 6 sessions. process isย jetWash and dry each screen Coat each screen with emulsion Expose each screen wash out and dry each screen check each screen for pin holes/blockages, fill if needed. Dry again if filled. prepare each screen ready for printing. Wash each screen between colours or if ink dries. This is without the initial design and printing positives, mixing ink/mediums etc. Hope that helps understand the effort and potential failure points especially without 20/20 vision. As opposed to press print button Which is transferred into the costs of the prints, Your prints are low cost and affordable so not used in this point. When an edition of 200+ and prints are ยฃ100/200+ then the process is expected ?
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crapartist
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Screenprint imperfections, by crapartist on Jun 20, 2021 18:10:57 GMT 1, If i did full test prints my prices would be a lot more. i cant speak for print shops but as an individual if I had a 6 layer print and wanted to create a couple of test prints I would need 6 screens coated and exposed I would have to wash them up after pulling each layer and would probably take me a few days to complete. studios normally charge per half day session so this would be 6 sessions. process isย jetWash and dry each screen Coat each screen with emulsion Expose each screen wash out and dry each screen check each screen for pin holes/blockages, fill if needed. Dry again if filled. prepare each screen ready for printing. Wash each screen between colours or if ink dries. This is without the initial design and printing positives, mixing ink/mediums etc. Hope that helps understand the effort and potential failure points especially without 20/20 vision. This. And. It. Is. Art.
If i did full test prints my prices would be a lot more. i cant speak for print shops but as an individual if I had a 6 layer print and wanted to create a couple of test prints I would need 6 screens coated and exposed I would have to wash them up after pulling each layer and would probably take me a few days to complete. studios normally charge per half day session so this would be 6 sessions. process isย jetWash and dry each screen Coat each screen with emulsion Expose each screen wash out and dry each screen check each screen for pin holes/blockages, fill if needed. Dry again if filled. prepare each screen ready for printing. Wash each screen between colours or if ink dries. This is without the initial design and printing positives, mixing ink/mediums etc. Hope that helps understand the effort and potential failure points especially without 20/20 vision. This. And. It. Is. Art.
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Icesay
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Screenprint imperfections, by Icesay on Jun 20, 2021 19:53:45 GMT 1, I used to be concerned with minor imperfections but then read about and learnt that it all adds to the piece. If the artist has okd it then I'm happy. Screenprinting should be celebrated for it's variation. Obviously caveats with printers skill etc
I used to be concerned with minor imperfections but then read about and learnt that it all adds to the piece. If the artist has okd it then I'm happy. Screenprinting should be celebrated for it's variation. Obviously caveats with printers skill etc
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