Jimini Cricket
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Jimini Cricket on May 29, 2021 21:08:58 GMT 1, You werenโt told about the GPS trackers on each print? Or the anal probe!?
"Please tell us more about yourself and your collection." ๐๐๐พ๐
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You werenโt told about the GPS trackers on each print? Or the anal probe!? "Please tell us more about yourself and your collection." ๐๐๐พ๐
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gorkie
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by gorkie on May 30, 2021 4:05:21 GMT 1, conducted 300+ calls to vet initailly, so plasuable to conduct 210 as a follow up They are being sold as a set of 3 prints aren't they? That's 70 calls. Also-curious what the resale agreement states exactly. 3 years??
conducted 300+ calls to vet initailly, so plasuable to conduct 210 as a follow up They are being sold as a set of 3 prints aren't they? That's 70 calls. Also-curious what the resale agreement states exactly. 3 years??
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Jimini Cricket
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Jimini Cricket on May 30, 2021 5:21:18 GMT 1, conducted 300+ calls to vet initailly, so plasuable to conduct 210 as a follow up They are being sold as a set of 3 prints aren't they? That's 70 calls.ย Also-curious what the resale agreement states exactly. 3 years??
Some being sold individually. Pdf doesn't specify. If Haroshi anything to go by, then yes 3 yr non resale clause. Not like it holds any water. Avant Arte should offer the secondary buyers incentives to rat on the resellers. Or run it like Pest Control and ban the primary owner if resold during the stipulated resale ban period.
conducted 300+ calls to vet initailly, so plasuable to conduct 210 as a follow up They are being sold as a set of 3 prints aren't they? That's 70 calls.ย Also-curious what the resale agreement states exactly. 3 years?? Some being sold individually. Pdf doesn't specify. If Haroshi anything to go by, then yes 3 yr non resale clause. Not like it holds any water. Avant Arte should offer the secondary buyers incentives to rat on the resellers. Or run it like Pest Control and ban the primary owner if resold during the stipulated resale ban period.
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Gentle Mental
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Gentle Mental on May 30, 2021 6:44:28 GMT 1, Anyone here actually bought one? Or are we all not worthy?
Anyone here actually bought one? Or are we all not worthy?
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Ildefonso77
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Ildefonso77 on May 30, 2021 11:56:06 GMT 1, Anyone here actually bought one? Or are we all not worthy?
I take it 99% of us dint mAke the 300 calls.
Anyone here actually bought one? Or are we all not worthy? I take it 99% of us dint mAke the 300 calls.
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jimmyjam
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by jimmyjam on May 30, 2021 14:10:31 GMT 1, Is the Avant agreement a signed and actual contract? If not, then most of these so called agreements donโt hold any water in the US. Each state is different and just a small agreement on a website wonโt cut it in court. This is what a pretty big NY lawyer told me. Itโs mostly to scare the buyer but if went to court these website agreements really donโt hold water.
I have no idea what Avant agreements are like since I rarely buy from them -personally think their prints are just ok in quality and also way overpriced for most artists. This site gives them way too much of a pass all the timeโฆ. Also each country has different laws so mostly likely any agreement just on site isnโt muchโฆPest Control does it right and just holds the COA for new prints for a couple years. Thatโs really the only way or an actual official legal signed contract. Just a statement on a site or phone call wonโt cut it.
Is the Avant agreement a signed and actual contract? If not, then most of these so called agreements donโt hold any water in the US. Each state is different and just a small agreement on a website wonโt cut it in court. This is what a pretty big NY lawyer told me. Itโs mostly to scare the buyer but if went to court these website agreements really donโt hold water.
I have no idea what Avant agreements are like since I rarely buy from them -personally think their prints are just ok in quality and also way overpriced for most artists. This site gives them way too much of a pass all the timeโฆ. Also each country has different laws so mostly likely any agreement just on site isnโt muchโฆPest Control does it right and just holds the COA for new prints for a couple years. Thatโs really the only way or an actual official legal signed contract. Just a statement on a site or phone call wonโt cut it.
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artzzzy
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by artzzzy on May 30, 2021 14:24:08 GMT 1, Is the Avant agreement a signed and actual contract? If not, then most of these so called agreements donโt hold any water in the US. Each state is different and just a small agreement on a website wonโt cut it in court. This is what a pretty big NY lawyer told me. Itโs mostly to scare the buyer but if went to court these website agreements really donโt hold water. I have no idea what Avant agreements are like since I rarely buy from them -personally think their prints are just ok in quality and also way overpriced for most artists. This site gives them way too much of a pass all the timeโฆ. Also each country has different laws so mostly likely any agreement just on site isnโt muchโฆPest Control does it right and just holds the COA for new prints for a couple years. Thatโs really the only way or an actual official legal signed contract. Just a statement on a site or phone call wonโt cut it.
The Avant agreement is just a note in an email when they send you the invoice.
Some other higher level galleries have you sign an actual agreement or have you sign the invoice where the non-resale agreement is mentioned.
But it all has no legal value whatsoever.
You can sell the artwork the day after and nobody can do anything about it.
The only complication is that famous auction houses like Christies or Sothebys usually wonโt take works that are under non-resale agreement.
The other auction houses donโt care. You see all the time prints and works listed a few months after they were originally sold.
Is the Avant agreement a signed and actual contract? If not, then most of these so called agreements donโt hold any water in the US. Each state is different and just a small agreement on a website wonโt cut it in court. This is what a pretty big NY lawyer told me. Itโs mostly to scare the buyer but if went to court these website agreements really donโt hold water. I have no idea what Avant agreements are like since I rarely buy from them -personally think their prints are just ok in quality and also way overpriced for most artists. This site gives them way too much of a pass all the timeโฆ. Also each country has different laws so mostly likely any agreement just on site isnโt muchโฆPest Control does it right and just holds the COA for new prints for a couple years. Thatโs really the only way or an actual official legal signed contract. Just a statement on a site or phone call wonโt cut it. The Avant agreement is just a note in an email when they send you the invoice. Some other higher level galleries have you sign an actual agreement or have you sign the invoice where the non-resale agreement is mentioned. But it all has no legal value whatsoever. You can sell the artwork the day after and nobody can do anything about it. The only complication is that famous auction houses like Christies or Sothebys usually wonโt take works that are under non-resale agreement. The other auction houses donโt care. You see all the time prints and works listed a few months after they were originally sold.
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jimmyjam
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by jimmyjam on May 30, 2021 14:33:39 GMT 1, Is the Avant agreement a signed and actual contract? If not, then most of these so called agreements donโt hold any water in the US. Each state is different and just a small agreement on a website wonโt cut it in court. This is what a pretty big NY lawyer told me. Itโs mostly to scare the buyer but if went to court these website agreements really donโt hold water. I have no idea what Avant agreements are like since I rarely buy from them -personally think their prints are just ok in quality and also way overpriced for most artists. This site gives them way too much of a pass all the timeโฆ. Also each country has different laws so mostly likely any agreement just on site isnโt muchโฆPest Control does it right and just holds the COA for new prints for a couple years. Thatโs really the only way or an actual official legal signed contract. Just a statement on a site or phone call wonโt cut it. The Avant agreement is just a note in an email when they send you the invoice. Some other higher level galleries have you sign an actual agreement or have you sign the invoice where the non-resale agreement is mentioned. But it all has no legal value whatsoever. You can sell the artwork the day after and nobody can do anything about it. The only complication is that famous auction houses like Christies or Sothebys usually wonโt take works that are under non-resale agreement. The other auction houses donโt care. You see all the time prints and works listed a few months after they were originally sold.
If you live in the state where the gallery that you signed the agreement withโฆ then signed contracts have meaning.
But you are mostly right. Most auction house donโt care unless a gallery goes after them but auction houses have legal teams and they all know email and website statements mean total bs but good for them to try scaring customers who just paid an arm and leg for an overpriced piece from an artist without any really backingโฆ
Again Iโm not a fan of Avant but seems 99 percent of people are. Good luck with all that. Itโs fun to watch.
If Avant or any of these galleries want to really do this they have hire a good law firm to make sure everything is done legally internationally and then monitor each agreementโฆ this service cost way way to much for any gallery to pay for.
Hold the COAs for three years.., thatโs the only way. They can still sell it but is a bit more difficult.
Is the Avant agreement a signed and actual contract? If not, then most of these so called agreements donโt hold any water in the US. Each state is different and just a small agreement on a website wonโt cut it in court. This is what a pretty big NY lawyer told me. Itโs mostly to scare the buyer but if went to court these website agreements really donโt hold water. I have no idea what Avant agreements are like since I rarely buy from them -personally think their prints are just ok in quality and also way overpriced for most artists. This site gives them way too much of a pass all the timeโฆ. Also each country has different laws so mostly likely any agreement just on site isnโt muchโฆPest Control does it right and just holds the COA for new prints for a couple years. Thatโs really the only way or an actual official legal signed contract. Just a statement on a site or phone call wonโt cut it. The Avant agreement is just a note in an email when they send you the invoice. Some other higher level galleries have you sign an actual agreement or have you sign the invoice where the non-resale agreement is mentioned. But it all has no legal value whatsoever. You can sell the artwork the day after and nobody can do anything about it. The only complication is that famous auction houses like Christies or Sothebys usually wonโt take works that are under non-resale agreement. The other auction houses donโt care. You see all the time prints and works listed a few months after they were originally sold. If you live in the state where the gallery that you signed the agreement withโฆ then signed contracts have meaning. But you are mostly right. Most auction house donโt care unless a gallery goes after them but auction houses have legal teams and they all know email and website statements mean total bs but good for them to try scaring customers who just paid an arm and leg for an overpriced piece from an artist without any really backingโฆ Again Iโm not a fan of Avant but seems 99 percent of people are. Good luck with all that. Itโs fun to watch. If Avant or any of these galleries want to really do this they have hire a good law firm to make sure everything is done legally internationally and then monitor each agreementโฆ this service cost way way to much for any gallery to pay for. Hold the COAs for three years.., thatโs the only way. They can still sell it but is a bit more difficult.
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qest
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by qest on May 30, 2021 14:39:34 GMT 1, Is the Avant agreement a signed and actual contract? If not, then most of these so called agreements donโt hold any water in the US. Each state is different and just a small agreement on a website wonโt cut it in court. This is what a pretty big NY lawyer told me. Itโs mostly to scare the buyer but if went to court these website agreements really donโt hold water. I have no idea what Avant agreements are like since I rarely buy from them -personally think their prints are just ok in quality and also way overpriced for most artists. This site gives them way too much of a pass all the timeโฆ. Also each country has different laws so mostly likely any agreement just on site isnโt muchโฆPest Control does it right and just holds the COA for new prints for a couple years. Thatโs really the only way or an actual official legal signed contract. Just a statement on a site or phone call wonโt cut it. The bold text in particular is not true, a contract does not generally require a signature. For anyone who thinks that no-resale clauses are unenforceable, read about John Cena vs. Ford. The fact that a gallery is unlikely to seek enforcement on a low dollar artwork does not mean that it's unenforceable. It also wouldn't prevent them from wasting a lot of your time and money if they wanted to seek enforcement.
Is the Avant agreement a signed and actual contract? If not, then most of these so called agreements donโt hold any water in the US. Each state is different and just a small agreement on a website wonโt cut it in court. This is what a pretty big NY lawyer told me. Itโs mostly to scare the buyer but if went to court these website agreements really donโt hold water. I have no idea what Avant agreements are like since I rarely buy from them -personally think their prints are just ok in quality and also way overpriced for most artists. This site gives them way too much of a pass all the timeโฆ. Also each country has different laws so mostly likely any agreement just on site isnโt muchโฆPest Control does it right and just holds the COA for new prints for a couple years. Thatโs really the only way or an actual official legal signed contract. Just a statement on a site or phone call wonโt cut it. The bold text in particular is not true, a contract does not generally require a signature. For anyone who thinks that no-resale clauses are unenforceable, read about John Cena vs. Ford. The fact that a gallery is unlikely to seek enforcement on a low dollar artwork does not mean that it's unenforceable. It also wouldn't prevent them from wasting a lot of your time and money if they wanted to seek enforcement.
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artzzzy
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by artzzzy on May 30, 2021 14:42:08 GMT 1, The Avant agreement is just a note in an email when they send you the invoice. Some other higher level galleries have you sign an actual agreement or have you sign the invoice where the non-resale agreement is mentioned. But it all has no legal value whatsoever. You can sell the artwork the day after and nobody can do anything about it. The only complication is that famous auction houses like Christies or Sothebys usually wonโt take works that are under non-resale agreement. The other auction houses donโt care. You see all the time prints and works listed a few months after they were originally sold. If you live in the state where the gallery that you signed the agreement withโฆ then signed contracts have meaning. But you are mostly right. Most auction house donโt care unless a gallery goes after them but auction house a legal teams and they all know email and website statements mean total bs but good for them to try scaring customers who just paid and arm and leg for an overpriced piece from an artist without any really backingโฆ Again Iโm not a fan of Avant but seems 99 percent of people are. Good luck with all that. Itโs fun to watch. If Avant or any of these galleries want to really do this they have hire a good law firm to make sure everything is done legally internationally and then monitor each agreementโฆ this service cost way way to much for any gallery to pay for. Hold the COAs for three years.., thatโs the only way. They can still sell it but is a bit more difficult.
Honestly Iโm not sure how people who buy these prints can resell them for profit in any case.
With or without non-resale agreement..
They are highly overpriced from source in the first place. After you add shipping and taxes each print is over โฌ11/12K ($14/15K)!
I mean for how much could you sell this, pay the auction house commission and still make profit??
The Avant agreement is just a note in an email when they send you the invoice. Some other higher level galleries have you sign an actual agreement or have you sign the invoice where the non-resale agreement is mentioned. But it all has no legal value whatsoever. You can sell the artwork the day after and nobody can do anything about it. The only complication is that famous auction houses like Christies or Sothebys usually wonโt take works that are under non-resale agreement. The other auction houses donโt care. You see all the time prints and works listed a few months after they were originally sold. If you live in the state where the gallery that you signed the agreement withโฆ then signed contracts have meaning. But you are mostly right. Most auction house donโt care unless a gallery goes after them but auction house a legal teams and they all know email and website statements mean total bs but good for them to try scaring customers who just paid and arm and leg for an overpriced piece from an artist without any really backingโฆ Again Iโm not a fan of Avant but seems 99 percent of people are. Good luck with all that. Itโs fun to watch. If Avant or any of these galleries want to really do this they have hire a good law firm to make sure everything is done legally internationally and then monitor each agreementโฆ this service cost way way to much for any gallery to pay for. Hold the COAs for three years.., thatโs the only way. They can still sell it but is a bit more difficult. Honestly Iโm not sure how people who buy these prints can resell them for profit in any case. With or without non-resale agreement.. They are highly overpriced from source in the first place. After you add shipping and taxes each print is over โฌ11/12K ($14/15K)! I mean for how much could you sell this, pay the auction house commission and still make profit??
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jimmyjam
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by jimmyjam on May 30, 2021 14:53:34 GMT 1, Is the Avant agreement a signed and actual contract? If not, then most of these so called agreements donโt hold any water in the US. Each state is different and just a small agreement on a website wonโt cut it in court. This is what a pretty big NY lawyer told me. Itโs mostly to scare the buyer but if went to court these website agreements really donโt hold water. I have no idea what Avant agreements are like since I rarely buy from them -personally think their prints are just ok in quality and also way overpriced for most artists. This site gives them way too much of a pass all the timeโฆ. Also each country has different laws so mostly likely any agreement just on site isnโt muchโฆPest Control does it right and just holds the COA for new prints for a couple years. Thatโs really the only way or an actual official legal signed contract. Just a statement on a site or phone call wonโt cut it. The bold text in particular is not true, a contract does not generally require a signature.ย For anyone who thinks that no-resale clauses are unenforceable, read about John Cena vs. Ford.ย The fact that a gallery is unlikely to seek enforcement on a low dollar artwork does not mean that it's unenforceable.ย It also wouldn't prevent them from wasting a lot of your time and money if they wanted to seek enforcement.ย
I just read about it. Haha a totally different case. Itโs a signed agreement which both parties are based in the US. HUGE difference, also Ford had a HUGE legal team who does these contract right. He had to sign something to buy that carโฆ itโs basically the prices of a mansionโฆ. Also it seems the car was resold already 3 timesโฆ
These are cheap printsโฆ and from international galleries without a major international legal team like FORD.
Side note: Ford and old car companies are going to kill it in the EV market. EV cars are about to blow up. 45,000 preorder EV trucks in less than 48 hours.
Is the Avant agreement a signed and actual contract? If not, then most of these so called agreements donโt hold any water in the US. Each state is different and just a small agreement on a website wonโt cut it in court. This is what a pretty big NY lawyer told me. Itโs mostly to scare the buyer but if went to court these website agreements really donโt hold water. I have no idea what Avant agreements are like since I rarely buy from them -personally think their prints are just ok in quality and also way overpriced for most artists. This site gives them way too much of a pass all the timeโฆ. Also each country has different laws so mostly likely any agreement just on site isnโt muchโฆPest Control does it right and just holds the COA for new prints for a couple years. Thatโs really the only way or an actual official legal signed contract. Just a statement on a site or phone call wonโt cut it. The bold text in particular is not true, a contract does not generally require a signature.ย For anyone who thinks that no-resale clauses are unenforceable, read about John Cena vs. Ford.ย The fact that a gallery is unlikely to seek enforcement on a low dollar artwork does not mean that it's unenforceable.ย It also wouldn't prevent them from wasting a lot of your time and money if they wanted to seek enforcement.ย I just read about it. Haha a totally different case. Itโs a signed agreement which both parties are based in the US. HUGE difference, also Ford had a HUGE legal team who does these contract right. He had to sign something to buy that carโฆ itโs basically the prices of a mansionโฆ. Also it seems the car was resold already 3 timesโฆ These are cheap printsโฆ and from international galleries without a major international legal team like FORD. Side note: Ford and old car companies are going to kill it in the EV market. EV cars are about to blow up. 45,000 preorder EV trucks in less than 48 hours.
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qest
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by qest on May 30, 2021 15:03:47 GMT 1, The bold text in particular is not true, a contract does not generally require a signature. For anyone who thinks that no-resale clauses are unenforceable, read about John Cena vs. Ford. The fact that a gallery is unlikely to seek enforcement on a low dollar artwork does not mean that it's unenforceable. It also wouldn't prevent them from wasting a lot of your time and money if they wanted to seek enforcement. I just read about it. Haha a totally different case. Itโs a signed agreement which both parties are based in the US. HUGE difference, also Ford had a HUGE legal team who does these contract right. He had to sign something to buy that carโฆ itโs basically the prices of a mansionโฆ. Also it seems the car was resold already 3 timesโฆ These are cheap printsโฆ and from international galleries without a major international legal team like FORD. Side note: Ford and old car companies are going to kill it in the EV market. EV cars are about to blow up. 45,000 preorder EV trucks in less than 48 hours. None of the distinctions that you mention matter at all regarding legal enforceability.
The bold text in particular is not true, a contract does not generally require a signature. For anyone who thinks that no-resale clauses are unenforceable, read about John Cena vs. Ford. The fact that a gallery is unlikely to seek enforcement on a low dollar artwork does not mean that it's unenforceable. It also wouldn't prevent them from wasting a lot of your time and money if they wanted to seek enforcement. I just read about it. Haha a totally different case. Itโs a signed agreement which both parties are based in the US. HUGE difference, also Ford had a HUGE legal team who does these contract right. He had to sign something to buy that carโฆ itโs basically the prices of a mansionโฆ. Also it seems the car was resold already 3 timesโฆ These are cheap printsโฆ and from international galleries without a major international legal team like FORD. Side note: Ford and old car companies are going to kill it in the EV market. EV cars are about to blow up. 45,000 preorder EV trucks in less than 48 hours. None of the distinctions that you mention matter at all regarding legal enforceability.
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Jimini Cricket
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Jimini Cricket on May 30, 2021 15:40:11 GMT 1, Print the primary owner's face, DOB, address, phone number, email on the coa. If owner resell's it, it's their fault for handing out their private information.
Print the primary owner's face, DOB, address, phone number, email on the coa. If owner resell's it, it's their fault for handing out their private information.
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Ildefonso77
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Ildefonso77 on May 30, 2021 16:01:23 GMT 1, Print the primary owner's face, DOB, address, phone number, email on the coa. If owner resell's it, it's their fault for handing out their private information.
A lot of these galleries and buyers value discretion Personal info usually on the invoice. Not the COA. At least from what i have experienced.
Print the primary owner's face, DOB, address, phone number, email on the coa. If owner resell's it, it's their fault for handing out their private information. A lot of these galleries and buyers value discretion Personal info usually on the invoice. Not the COA. At least from what i have experienced.
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Jimini Cricket
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Jimini Cricket on May 30, 2021 16:05:57 GMT 1, Print the primary owner's face, DOB, address, phone number, email on the coa. If owner resell's it, it's their fault for handing out their private information. A lot of these galleries and buyers value discretion Personal info usually on the invoice. Not the COA. At least from what i have experienced.
Maybe they should start as an anti-flipping measure. Only way to change it is by going back to the artist or gallery. It's quite an easy fix for the primary owner. Don't flip it!
Print the primary owner's face, DOB, address, phone number, email on the coa. If owner resell's it, it's their fault for handing out their private information. A lot of these galleries and buyers value discretion Personal info usually on the invoice. Not the COA. At least from what i have experienced. Maybe they should start as an anti-flipping measure. Only way to change it is by going back to the artist or gallery. It's quite an easy fix for the primary owner. Don't flip it!
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Ildefonso77
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Ildefonso77 on May 30, 2021 16:14:53 GMT 1, A lot of these galleries and buyers value discretion Personal info usually on the invoice. Not the COA. At least from what i have experienced. Maybe they should start as an anti-flipping measure. Only way to change it is by going back to the artist or gallery. It's quite an easy fix for the primary owner. Don't flip it!
You know some of these primary owners Are galleries that immediately flip the work. Ive seen it Time and Time again. Usually they are Friends of the artists and producers of the print.
I rarely see them get called out or questioned for flipping A highly desirable art work.
A lot of these galleries and buyers value discretion Personal info usually on the invoice. Not the COA. At least from what i have experienced. Maybe they should start as an anti-flipping measure. Only way to change it is by going back to the artist or gallery. It's quite an easy fix for the primary owner. Don't flip it! You know some of these primary owners Are galleries that immediately flip the work. Ive seen it Time and Time again. Usually they are Friends of the artists and producers of the print. I rarely see them get called out or questioned for flipping A highly desirable art work.
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Jimini Cricket
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Jimini Cricket on May 30, 2021 16:18:19 GMT 1, Maybe they should start as an anti-flipping measure. Only way to change it is by going back to the artist or gallery. It's quite an easy fix for the primary owner. Don't flip it! You know some of these primary owners Are galleries that immediately flip the work. Ive seen it Time and Time again. Usually they are Friends of the artists and producers of the print. I rarely see them get called out or questioned for flipping A highly desirable art work.
They use dubious means for acquiring the art. By putting a name and a face on the coa it will no doubt shame the primary owner's if they flip it. This will be groundbreaking stuff if it goes ahead. Come on galleries, get on board!
Maybe they should start as an anti-flipping measure. Only way to change it is by going back to the artist or gallery. It's quite an easy fix for the primary owner. Don't flip it! You know some of these primary owners Are galleries that immediately flip the work. Ive seen it Time and Time again. Usually they are Friends of the artists and producers of the print. I rarely see them get called out or questioned for flipping A highly desirable art work. They use dubious means for acquiring the art. By putting a name and a face on the coa it will no doubt shame the primary owner's if they flip it. This will be groundbreaking stuff if it goes ahead. Come on galleries, get on board!
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Sunny Garcia
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Sunny Garcia on May 30, 2021 16:38:05 GMT 1, Or, how about people just stop bitching about art being flipped, as it's been happening since the beginning of time, and without it (happening), there is no market for poor Javier!
Galleries/publishers (like Avant), truly want/need it both ways; a strong secondary market so that they can charge these crazy high prices at source, and then a guarantee that nobody will re-sell the work (as this artist has already made it)!
It's such a catch-22 that galleries will never own up to.
Or, how about people just stop bitching about art being flipped, as it's been happening since the beginning of time, and without it (happening), there is no market for poor Javier!
Galleries/publishers (like Avant), truly want/need it both ways; a strong secondary market so that they can charge these crazy high prices at source, and then a guarantee that nobody will re-sell the work (as this artist has already made it)!
It's such a catch-22 that galleries will never own up to.
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Ildefonso77
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Ildefonso77 on May 31, 2021 2:17:41 GMT 1, Or, how about people just stop bitching about art being flipped, as it's been happening since the beginning of time, and without it (happening), there is no market for poor Javier! Galleries/publishers (like Avant), truly want/need it both ways; a strong secondary market so that they can charge these crazy high prices at source, and then a guarantee that nobody will re-sell the work (as this artist has already made it)! It's such a catch-22 that galleries will never own up to.
I completely agree with you. Flipping is part of the eco system like it Or Not. This actually works to the advantage of the Galleries/Publishers in driving the market and prices up!
Or, how about people just stop bitching about art being flipped, as it's been happening since the beginning of time, and without it (happening), there is no market for poor Javier! Galleries/publishers (like Avant), truly want/need it both ways; a strong secondary market so that they can charge these crazy high prices at source, and then a guarantee that nobody will re-sell the work (as this artist has already made it)! It's such a catch-22 that galleries will never own up to. I completely agree with you. Flipping is part of the eco system like it Or Not. This actually works to the advantage of the Galleries/Publishers in driving the market and prices up!
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Gentle Mental
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Gentle Mental on Jun 2, 2021 1:09:29 GMT 1, Is 9k worth it?
Has Javier hit the million dollar canvas at auctions yet?
Or is this going to be way he makes his money now? Cashing out on FOMO of lower income buyers/flippers?
Is 9k worth it?
Has Javier hit the million dollar canvas at auctions yet?
Or is this going to be way he makes his money now? Cashing out on FOMO of lower income buyers/flippers?
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Jimini Cricket
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December 2017
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Jimini Cricket on Jun 2, 2021 3:23:35 GMT 1, Is 9k worth it? Has Javier hit the million dollar canvas at auctions yet? Or is this going to be way he makes his money now? Cashing out on FOMO of lower income buyers/flippers?
Yeh. Sadly he hit a million at auction. โน๏ธ onlineonly.christies.com/s/20-21-online/javier-calleja-b-1971-4/113760 #truthhurts #youcanthandlethetruth
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Jimini Cricket
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Jimini Cricket on Jun 2, 2021 3:27:03 GMT 1, Is 9k worth it? Has Javier hit the million dollar canvas at auctions yet? Or is this going to be way he makes his money now? Cashing out on FOMO of lower income buyers/flippers? i totally agree, heโs a sub-par nara knock-off thatโs doing what all artist r doing rn, charging an arm n a leg 4 a print cause they can, then the ppl that pump him up will shill bid on the flipper market n youโll have these going 2 auction late this year fetching 20k+ imo nobody will know or care what JC is doing in 10yrs.... only time will prove my point.... or not ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
He's into year 4 of this style. Come back in 6 and see how it's going.
Definitely lasted longer than Gonefellow and Otis. Even performing better market wise than forum favourites faile, Pejac, Micallef and Adam Neate.
No one has a crystal ball.
Is 9k worth it? Has Javier hit the million dollar canvas at auctions yet? Or is this going to be way he makes his money now? Cashing out on FOMO of lower income buyers/flippers? i totally agree, heโs a sub-par nara knock-off thatโs doing what all artist r doing rn, charging an arm n a leg 4 a print cause they can, then the ppl that pump him up will shill bid on the flipper market n youโll have these going 2 auction late this year fetching 20k+ imo nobody will know or care what JC is doing in 10yrs.... only time will prove my point.... or not ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ He's into year 4 of this style. Come back in 6 and see how it's going. Definitely lasted longer than Gonefellow and Otis. Even performing better market wise than forum favourites faile, Pejac, Micallef and Adam Neate. No one has a crystal ball.
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Ildefonso77
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Ildefonso77 on Jun 2, 2021 3:52:20 GMT 1, Something strange is happening with the print market right now... Tell me about it! Galleries pricing high testing the limits. other galleries keeping tabs. With Javier as long as his market is hot and continues to grow i wont be surprised to see 15k prints in the near future by ultra vippp invite only!
Something strange is happening with the print market right now... Tell me about it! Galleries pricing high testing the limits. other galleries keeping tabs. With Javier as long as his market is hot and continues to grow i wont be surprised to see 15k prints in the near future by ultra vippp invite only!
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ricardob
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by ricardob on Jun 2, 2021 4:07:32 GMT 1, i totally agree, heโs a sub-par nara knock-off thatโs doing what all artist r doing rn, charging an arm n a leg 4 a print cause they can, then the ppl that pump him up will shill bid on the flipper market n youโll have these going 2 auction late this year fetching 20k+ imo nobody will know or care what JC is doing in 10yrs.... only time will prove my point.... or not ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ He's into year 4 of this style. Come back in 6 and see how it's going. Definitely lasted longer than Gonefellow and Otis. Even performing better market wise than forum favourites faile, Pejac, Micallef and Adam Neate. No one has a crystal ball.
Micallef is an outstanding artist
i totally agree, heโs a sub-par nara knock-off thatโs doing what all artist r doing rn, charging an arm n a leg 4 a print cause they can, then the ppl that pump him up will shill bid on the flipper market n youโll have these going 2 auction late this year fetching 20k+ imo nobody will know or care what JC is doing in 10yrs.... only time will prove my point.... or not ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ He's into year 4 of this style. Come back in 6 and see how it's going. Definitely lasted longer than Gonefellow and Otis. Even performing better market wise than forum favourites faile, Pejac, Micallef and Adam Neate. No one has a crystal ball. Micallef is an outstanding artist
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Jimini Cricket
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December 2017
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Jimini Cricket on Jun 2, 2021 5:36:02 GMT 1,
None of them are the big eyed cartoon characters. Jussayin'.
I just sense some tall poppy syndrome in the comments. When I literally pulled out a million dollar result, you still try to dismiss it.
It could be argued that the same applies to a lot of artists right now too. Oli Epp's (only 1 auction result for a canvas $130k) and Edgar Plans' (highest for a canvas was $160k measuring 2m x 3m) results could be short lived too.
And can we talk about Thierry Noir's bizarre market rise as well with Mr Doodle's.
None of them are the big eyed cartoon characters. Jussayin'. I just sense some tall poppy syndrome in the comments. When I literally pulled out a million dollar result, you still try to dismiss it. It could be argued that the same applies to a lot of artists right now too. Oli Epp's (only 1 auction result for a canvas $130k) and Edgar Plans' (highest for a canvas was $160k measuring 2m x 3m) results could be short lived too. And can we talk about Thierry Noir's bizarre market rise as well with Mr Doodle's.
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Jimini Cricket
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December 2017
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Jimini Cricket on Jun 2, 2021 5:44:40 GMT 1, He's into year 4 of this style. Come back in 6 and see how it's going. Definitely lasted longer than Gonefellow and Otis. Even performing better market wise than forum favourites faile, Pejac, Micallef and Adam Neate. No one has a crystal ball. Micallef is an outstanding artist
Too bad the market disagrees.
He's into year 4 of this style. Come back in 6 and see how it's going. Definitely lasted longer than Gonefellow and Otis. Even performing better market wise than forum favourites faile, Pejac, Micallef and Adam Neate. No one has a crystal ball. Micallef is an outstanding artist Too bad the market disagrees.
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Gentle Mental
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Gentle Mental on Jun 2, 2021 5:58:18 GMT 1, Micallef is an outstanding artist Too bad the market disagrees.
Micallef did better when it was rainbows sneakers big eyes bunny ears and Angels.
Cute wins.
Micallef is an outstanding artist Too bad the market disagrees. Micallef did better when it was rainbows sneakers big eyes bunny ears and Angels. Cute wins.
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Jimini Cricket
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Jimini Cricket on Jun 2, 2021 6:13:08 GMT 1, None of them are the big eyed cartoon characters. Jussayin'. I just sense some tall poppy syndrome in the comments. When I literally pulled out a million dollar result, you still try to dismiss it. It could be argued that the same applies to a lot of artists right now too. Oli Epp's (only 1 auction result for a canvas $130k) and Edgar Plans' (highest for a canvas was $160k measuring 2m x 3m) results could be short lived too. And can we talk about Thierry Noir's bizarre market rise as well with Mr Doodle's. I never once advocated for the other artists you listed, and that proves my point.
Fair enough. Those listed are pure hype.
None of them are the big eyed cartoon characters. Jussayin'. I just sense some tall poppy syndrome in the comments. When I literally pulled out a million dollar result, you still try to dismiss it. It could be argued that the same applies to a lot of artists right now too. Oli Epp's (only 1 auction result for a canvas $130k) and Edgar Plans' (highest for a canvas was $160k measuring 2m x 3m) results could be short lived too. And can we talk about Thierry Noir's bizarre market rise as well with Mr Doodle's. I never once advocated for the other artists you listed, and that proves my point. Fair enough. Those listed are pure hype.
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Dungle
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by Dungle on Jun 2, 2021 6:32:36 GMT 1, Micallef is an outstanding artist Too bad the market disagrees.
Everything thatโs gone wrong with this place over the years.
Itโs art, itโs subjective.
The market doesnโt decide who is an outstanding artist.
Micallef is an outstanding artist Too bad the market disagrees. Everything thatโs gone wrong with this place over the years. Itโs art, itโs subjective. The market doesnโt decide who is an outstanding artist.
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sgolby
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AVANT ARTE JAVIER EDITION- Ed of 70, by sgolby on Jun 2, 2021 10:09:42 GMT 1, He'll be on pace prints in no time!
I doubt that, especially considering Pace Gallery, represents Nara. I have always wondered what Naraโs take on Javier is. Anyone?
I quite like Javiโs work. I think it is fun to look at. Although I do feel it lacks the gravitas and depth of Naraโs work. When you see a Nara in person you see the influence of Rothko in the buildup of colors both in the back and foreground. Despite seemingly childish, his characters have dimension. These all seem to be lacking in Javiโs work to be honest, and again, I quite like Javiโs work.
That said, the expression in the eyes of Javiโs work is simply stunning, in fact it is what attracts to his work and what separates him from Nara in my opinion.
He'll be on pace prints in no time! I doubt that, especially considering Pace Gallery, represents Nara. I have always wondered what Naraโs take on Javier is. Anyone? I quite like Javiโs work. I think it is fun to look at. Although I do feel it lacks the gravitas and depth of Naraโs work. When you see a Nara in person you see the influence of Rothko in the buildup of colors both in the back and foreground. Despite seemingly childish, his characters have dimension. These all seem to be lacking in Javiโs work to be honest, and again, I quite like Javiโs work. That said, the expression in the eyes of Javiโs work is simply stunning, in fact it is what attracts to his work and what separates him from Nara in my opinion.
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