vfg
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Artwork not at the auction house, by vfg on Oct 14, 2021 21:40:12 GMT 1, Hi, I am very much a beginner in this world. I participated in an auction and decided to bid on a pretty cheap piece, to understand how things worked, before moving to what I was actually interested in. I ended up getting it and I paid for it within the auction house's time frame. Now apparently the artwork will not physically be at the auction house for basically a month after the auction date.
Is it just me or is this not normal? Shouldn't the piece be in their possession before the auction? Visible to in person buyers, authenticated and verified by the auction house. How can they only obtain it after the auction? According to their T&S the piece is now mine, both in terms of ownership and of responsibility. For something that I have no idea where it is.
The auction house is a reputable one, but I do not want to give them any bad rap. I am talking to them, but I asking you to understand what's usual in these cases, as I am not familiar with the whole process. It just struck me as quite odd.
Thanks!
Hi, I am very much a beginner in this world. I participated in an auction and decided to bid on a pretty cheap piece, to understand how things worked, before moving to what I was actually interested in. I ended up getting it and I paid for it within the auction house's time frame. Now apparently the artwork will not physically be at the auction house for basically a month after the auction date.
Is it just me or is this not normal? Shouldn't the piece be in their possession before the auction? Visible to in person buyers, authenticated and verified by the auction house. How can they only obtain it after the auction? According to their T&S the piece is now mine, both in terms of ownership and of responsibility. For something that I have no idea where it is.
The auction house is a reputable one, but I do not want to give them any bad rap. I am talking to them, but I asking you to understand what's usual in these cases, as I am not familiar with the whole process. It just struck me as quite odd.
Thanks!
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Artwork not at the auction house, by DAVID HOCKNEY on Oct 14, 2021 21:51:10 GMT 1, Hi, I am very much a beginner in this world. I participated in an auction and decided to bid on a pretty cheap piece, to understand how things worked, before moving to what I was actually interested in. I ended up getting it and I paid for it within the auction house's time frame. Now apparently the artwork will not physically be at the auction house for basically a month after the auction date.
Is it just me or is this not normal? Shouldn't the piece be in their possession before the auction? Visible to in person buyers, authenticated and verified by the auction house. How can they only obtain it after the auction? According to their T&S the piece is now mine, both in terms of ownership and of responsibility. For something that I have no idea where it is.
The auction house is a reputable one, but I do not want to give them any bad rap. I am talking to them, but I asking you to understand what's usual in these cases, as I am not familiar with the whole process. It just struck me as quite odd.
Thanks!
Hi, I am very much a beginner in this world. I participated in an auction and decided to bid on a pretty cheap piece, to understand how things worked, before moving to what I was actually interested in. I ended up getting it and I paid for it within the auction house's time frame. Now apparently the artwork will not physically be at the auction house for basically a month after the auction date.
Is it just me or is this not normal? Shouldn't the piece be in their possession before the auction? Visible to in person buyers, authenticated and verified by the auction house. How can they only obtain it after the auction? According to their T&S the piece is now mine, both in terms of ownership and of responsibility. For something that I have no idea where it is.
The auction house is a reputable one, but I do not want to give them any bad rap. I am talking to them, but I asking you to understand what's usual in these cases, as I am not familiar with the whole process. It just struck me as quite odd.
Thanks!
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vfg
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Artwork not at the auction house, by vfg on Oct 14, 2021 21:58:14 GMT 1, I would rather not for now. I don't want to slander the auction house, just to understand.
Would the link make a difference as in different auctions work differently?
Let's say that their policy is that, in person, you should pick up your lots by the end of the day of the auction. Which makes me think they should be there. They also have viewings pre-auction.
I was online, so the time frame was two weeks.
I would rather not for now. I don't want to slander the auction house, just to understand.
Would the link make a difference as in different auctions work differently?
Let's say that their policy is that, in person, you should pick up your lots by the end of the day of the auction. Which makes me think they should be there. They also have viewings pre-auction.
I was online, so the time frame was two weeks.
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Artwork not at the auction house, by DAVID HOCKNEY on Oct 14, 2021 22:13:14 GMT 1, I would rather not for now. I don't want to slander the auction house, just to understand. Would the link make a difference as in different auctions work differently? Let's say that their policy is that, in person, you should pick up your lots by the end of the day of the auction. Which makes me think they should be there. They also have viewings pre-auction. I was online, so the time frame was two weeks.
I would rather not for now. I don't want to slander the auction house, just to understand. Would the link make a difference as in different auctions work differently? Let's say that their policy is that, in person, you should pick up your lots by the end of the day of the auction. Which makes me think they should be there. They also have viewings pre-auction. I was online, so the time frame was two weeks. Post a link to the auction in question |
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vfg
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Artwork not at the auction house, by vfg on Oct 14, 2021 22:53:20 GMT 1, I don't really understand why purposefully be unhelpful, but thank you for taking the time to reply.
I don't really understand why purposefully be unhelpful, but thank you for taking the time to reply.
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Artwork not at the auction house, by DAVID HOCKNEY on Oct 14, 2021 22:56:45 GMT 1, I don't really understand why purposefully be unhelpful, but thank you for taking the time to reply.
I don't really understand why purposefully be unhelpful, but thank you for taking the time to reply. You don't want help. You won't share the basic facts. So stop wasting my time. |
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vfg
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Artwork not at the auction house, by vfg on Oct 14, 2021 23:02:47 GMT 1, I asked why is that info important, replying with the same exact comment won't help me understand.
I don't see how I am wasting your time, as I did not specifically ask you anything. You are free to do something else.
All in all, I just don't understand the animosity, since I don't think I offended anyone, but you are free to do as you please.
Well, I suppose if anyone else has any insight, I'd be really grateful (as I appreciate Fred West Country Prince replying to me). I'll update with the auction link if I don't resolve the issue with the auction house soon.
I asked why is that info important, replying with the same exact comment won't help me understand.
I don't see how I am wasting your time, as I did not specifically ask you anything. You are free to do something else.
All in all, I just don't understand the animosity, since I don't think I offended anyone, but you are free to do as you please.
Well, I suppose if anyone else has any insight, I'd be really grateful (as I appreciate Fred West Country Prince replying to me). I'll update with the auction link if I don't resolve the issue with the auction house soon.
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Jimini Cricket
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Artwork not at the auction house, by Jimini Cricket on Oct 15, 2021 14:45:32 GMT 1, Details are scant, therefore advice will be scant.
General observation, in practice a bricks and mortar auction house that conducts a physical auction, should already have possession.
Anything else, depends on the organisation and how covid has impacted logistics in the region.
Details are scant, therefore advice will be scant.
General observation, in practice a bricks and mortar auction house that conducts a physical auction, should already have possession.
Anything else, depends on the organisation and how covid has impacted logistics in the region.
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Artwork not at the auction house, by Happy Shopper on Oct 15, 2021 14:50:23 GMT 1, There was a story on here not long ago about a similar situation, where the auction house didn't have the piece, and then the seller backed out.
So, yes, the auction house should have the piece in hand, and have inspected it.
There was a story on here not long ago about a similar situation, where the auction house didn't have the piece, and then the seller backed out.
So, yes, the auction house should have the piece in hand, and have inspected it.
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WOOF
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Artwork not at the auction house, by WOOF on Oct 15, 2021 15:54:17 GMT 1, Lots of companies like artnet will have auctions where they are not in possession of the pieces. It’s not crazy abnormal.
Lots of companies like artnet will have auctions where they are not in possession of the pieces. It’s not crazy abnormal.
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eleddy
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Artwork not at the auction house, by eleddy on Oct 15, 2021 17:14:47 GMT 1, I also consider myself a "newb". I've been collecting (for myself) for about 3 years and my general experience is ... There is no general experience. The pandemic uprooted everything. I waited 2 months for a piece I thought was in Florida once, that somehow was actually in NJ. I've done 6 different auctions now and my general feeling is that you should find it anywhere else if you can. Unless you're going Christie's or Sotheby's and tossing 6 figures to the wind, I've found even the same auction houses can have variable shipping, descriptions, etc.
Direct from the artist/printer/gallery/stockx/eBay/auction in that order is my preference. Honestly, I've even had better experiences with my eBay buys.
I also consider myself a "newb". I've been collecting (for myself) for about 3 years and my general experience is ... There is no general experience. The pandemic uprooted everything. I waited 2 months for a piece I thought was in Florida once, that somehow was actually in NJ. I've done 6 different auctions now and my general feeling is that you should find it anywhere else if you can. Unless you're going Christie's or Sotheby's and tossing 6 figures to the wind, I've found even the same auction houses can have variable shipping, descriptions, etc.
Direct from the artist/printer/gallery/stockx/eBay/auction in that order is my preference. Honestly, I've even had better experiences with my eBay buys.
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vfg
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Artwork not at the auction house, by vfg on Oct 15, 2021 20:18:46 GMT 1, Thank you everyone for your opinions. I suppose it really can vary from place to place. This one is a brick and mortar auction house (a popular one), not artnet or similia.
I spoke to the auction house and there had been an actual issue with the lot. I will update to explain what happened, but I want to wait till it's resolved.
Thank you everyone for your opinions. I suppose it really can vary from place to place. This one is a brick and mortar auction house (a popular one), not artnet or similia.
I spoke to the auction house and there had been an actual issue with the lot. I will update to explain what happened, but I want to wait till it's resolved.
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vfg
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Artwork not at the auction house, by vfg on Oct 19, 2021 17:36:25 GMT 1, To conclude: after inquiring about the delay, the auction house told me that the artwork had been damaged in handling, so they had obtained a new one, which explains the delay. They also offered to refund me the amount (it was ~$150) and send it for free. I asked, if possible, to just cancel the bids (remember I had won two lots). They graciously gave me a full refund.
To conclude: after inquiring about the delay, the auction house told me that the artwork had been damaged in handling, so they had obtained a new one, which explains the delay. They also offered to refund me the amount (it was ~$150) and send it for free. I asked, if possible, to just cancel the bids (remember I had won two lots). They graciously gave me a full refund.
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