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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by JD on Feb 9, 2022 8:47:49 GMT 1, Lol . I even went to Lexington street to view . Good luck with the sale Should of gone to spec savers
Didn’t like the glitter aspect .
I also would bet 90% of the buyers didn’t view
Lol . I even went to Lexington street to view . Good luck with the sale Should of gone to spec savers Didn’t like the glitter aspect . I also would bet 90% of the buyers didn’t view |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by 1st Design on Feb 9, 2022 8:54:53 GMT 1, Will there be 2 edition size of each? Or a total size edition on the label?
Will there be 2 edition size of each? Or a total size edition on the label?
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by archstanton on Feb 9, 2022 9:07:17 GMT 1, So would It be correct to say that there are less physical pieces than the virtues combined and less digital editions than the currency? No, it would be correct to say there are more physical pieces than Virtues and there are 0 digital editions. There are only physicals with a different production date.
But the ‘physicals with a different production date’ or nft deeds are going to be traded as an nft would be for the next 3 years? They have a placeholder page on opensea already I think.
So would It be correct to say that there are less physical pieces than the virtues combined and less digital editions than the currency? No, it would be correct to say there are more physical pieces than Virtues and there are 0 digital editions. There are only physicals with a different production date. [br But the ‘physicals with a different production date’ or nft deeds are going to be traded as an nft would be for the next 3 years? They have a placeholder page on opensea already I think. |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by marrosi on Feb 9, 2022 9:09:00 GMT 1, Final Numbers (Physical : NFT Deed):
Wu Zetian: 1,284 : 1,569
Nūr Jahān: 1,480 : 1,561
Theodora: 1,566 : 1,749
Suiko: 1,657 : 1,653
Taytu Betul: 1,288 : 1,526
Final Numbers (Physical : NFT Deed):
Wu Zetian: 1,284 : 1,569
Nūr Jahān: 1,480 : 1,561
Theodora: 1,566 : 1,749
Suiko: 1,657 : 1,653
Taytu Betul: 1,288 : 1,526
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by klyde on Feb 9, 2022 9:23:27 GMT 1, Final Numbers (Physical : NFT Deed): Wu Zetian: 1,284 : 1,569 Nūr Jahān: 1,480 : 1,561 Theodora: 1,566 : 1,749 Suiko: 1,657 : 1,653 Taytu Betul: 1,288 : 1,526
MAN WALKS ON THE MOON
Final Numbers (Physical : NFT Deed): Wu Zetian: 1,284 : 1,569 Nūr Jahān: 1,480 : 1,561 Theodora: 1,566 : 1,749 Suiko: 1,657 : 1,653 Taytu Betul: 1,288 : 1,526 MAN WALKS ON THE MOON |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Art Fan 2011 on Feb 9, 2022 9:47:39 GMT 1, Double to begin with - and up from there! As with all DH work these are a good long term hold. Having "Heni Boxes" stashed away is a very good investment! Double 🤣🤣🤣
I was being Conservative with double. Well that for #1 - #4, anyone who picked up #4 will be lucky to get out with a few hundred profit
Double to begin with - and up from there! As with all DH work these are a good long term hold. Having "Heni Boxes" stashed away is a very good investment! Double 🤣🤣🤣 I was being Conservative with double. Well that for #1 - #4, anyone who picked up #4 will be lucky to get out with a few hundred profit |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Art Fan 2011 on Feb 9, 2022 9:49:52 GMT 1, Should of gone to spec savers Didn’t like the glitter aspect . I also would bet 90% of the buyers didn’t view
I'd say more like 99% didn't view - which is no different to any other print / edition release.
What's more interesting with DH is how many actually have an interest in the image itself and how many just treat it as a commodity - suspect its a 70/30 in favour of commodity
Should of gone to spec savers Didn’t like the glitter aspect . I also would bet 90% of the buyers didn’t view I'd say more like 99% didn't view - which is no different to any other print / edition release. What's more interesting with DH is how many actually have an interest in the image itself and how many just treat it as a commodity - suspect its a 70/30 in favour of commodity |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Lord Lucas Roham on Feb 9, 2022 9:57:11 GMT 1, Anyone selling the NFT Deed will have 5% fees to Heni, plus £100 bridging fee then the usual % to Coinbase or whoever they use to transfer back to cash.
That will eat into these by £400 odd. Then they will have to pay vat and delivery.
Anyone selling the NFT Deed will have 5% fees to Heni, plus £100 bridging fee then the usual % to Coinbase or whoever they use to transfer back to cash.
That will eat into these by £400 odd. Then they will have to pay vat and delivery.
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Art Fan 2011 on Feb 9, 2022 10:02:04 GMT 1, Anyone selling the NFT Deed will have 5% fees to Heni, plus £100 bridging fee then the usual % to Coinbase or whoever they use to transfer back to cash. That will eat into these by £400 odd. Then they will have to pay vat and delivery.
NFT was a strange choice and ultimately ends up costing more than the physical which you still end up with at somepoint.
The smart money went on the physicals 😀
Anyone selling the NFT Deed will have 5% fees to Heni, plus £100 bridging fee then the usual % to Coinbase or whoever they use to transfer back to cash. That will eat into these by £400 odd. Then they will have to pay vat and delivery. NFT was a strange choice and ultimately ends up costing more than the physical which you still end up with at somepoint. The smart money went on the physicals 😀 |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by woobl on Feb 9, 2022 10:08:05 GMT 1, I wasn't sure what I was expecting with the edition numbers, but these don't look too bad to me. Either way, I'm very pleased to have gotten a signed Hirst which will stay on my wall for a good while. Also, I don't have any idea as to how NFTs work, so I stuck with the old adage 'if you don't understand it, don't invest in it' and got a physical edition.
I wasn't sure what I was expecting with the edition numbers, but these don't look too bad to me. Either way, I'm very pleased to have gotten a signed Hirst which will stay on my wall for a good while. Also, I don't have any idea as to how NFTs work, so I stuck with the old adage 'if you don't understand it, don't invest in it' and got a physical edition.
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by The Italian One on Feb 9, 2022 10:08:52 GMT 1, Anyone selling the NFT Deed will have 5% fees to Heni, plus £100 bridging fee then the usual % to Coinbase or whoever they use to transfer back to cash. That will eat into these by £400 odd. Then they will have to pay vat and delivery.
most of the people who bought the NFT will rather have cripto than money on Bank account.
Anyone selling the NFT Deed will have 5% fees to Heni, plus £100 bridging fee then the usual % to Coinbase or whoever they use to transfer back to cash. That will eat into these by £400 odd. Then they will have to pay vat and delivery. 100 bridging only if you move it to opensea, most of the people who bought the NFT will rather have cripto than money on Bank account. |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by The Italian One on Feb 9, 2022 10:10:00 GMT 1, Anyone selling the NFT Deed will have 5% fees to Heni, plus £100 bridging fee then the usual % to Coinbase or whoever they use to transfer back to cash. That will eat into these by £400 odd. Then they will have to pay vat and delivery. NFT was a strange choice and ultimately ends up costing more than the physical which you still end up with at somepoint. The smart money went on the physicals 😀
Anyone selling the NFT Deed will have 5% fees to Heni, plus £100 bridging fee then the usual % to Coinbase or whoever they use to transfer back to cash. That will eat into these by £400 odd. Then they will have to pay vat and delivery. NFT was a strange choice and ultimately ends up costing more than the physical which you still end up with at somepoint. The smart money went on the physicals 😀 smart money will be on NFT... no doubt on it! |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by handy on Feb 9, 2022 10:11:18 GMT 1, Final Numbers (Physical : NFT Deed): Wu Zetian: 1,284 : 1,569 Nūr Jahān: 1,480 : 1,561 Theodora: 1,566 : 1,749 Suiko: 1,657 : 1,653 Taytu Betul: 1,288 : 1,526 MAN WALKS ON THE MOON
Final Numbers (Physical : NFT Deed): Wu Zetian: 1,284 : 1,569 Nūr Jahān: 1,480 : 1,561 Theodora: 1,566 : 1,749 Suiko: 1,657 : 1,653 Taytu Betul: 1,288 : 1,526 MAN WALKS ON THE MOON These values were stated as the edition numbers. Wu Zetian is two editions of 1,284 and 1,569 or one edition of 2852? I understood it was the latter - we are certain of that? |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by whatsthestory on Feb 9, 2022 10:13:34 GMT 1, Anyone selling the NFT Deed will have 5% fees to Heni, plus £100 bridging fee then the usual % to Coinbase or whoever they use to transfer back to cash. That will eat into these by £400 odd. Then they will have to pay vat and delivery. 100 bridging only if you move it to opensea, most of the people who bought the NFT will rather have cripto than money on Bank account.
It's about 100USD to bridge your DAI on Palm to Ethereum as well, should you want to ever cash out
Anyone selling the NFT Deed will have 5% fees to Heni, plus £100 bridging fee then the usual % to Coinbase or whoever they use to transfer back to cash. That will eat into these by £400 odd. Then they will have to pay vat and delivery. 100 bridging only if you move it to opensea, most of the people who bought the NFT will rather have cripto than money on Bank account. It's about 100USD to bridge your DAI on Palm to Ethereum as well, should you want to ever cash out |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Lord Lucas Roham on Feb 9, 2022 10:16:53 GMT 1, 100 bridging only if you move it to opensea, most of the people who bought the NFT will rather have cripto than money on Bank account. It's about 100USD to bridge your DAI on Palm to Ethereum as well, should you want to ever cash out
That's what I was alluding to. Thanks
100 bridging only if you move it to opensea, most of the people who bought the NFT will rather have cripto than money on Bank account. It's about 100USD to bridge your DAI on Palm to Ethereum as well, should you want to ever cash out That's what I was alluding to. Thanks |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Hobby Artist on Feb 9, 2022 10:21:50 GMT 1, These values were stated as the edition numbers. Wu Zetian is two editions of 1,284 and 1,569 or one edition of 2852? I understood it was the latter - we are certain of that?
These values were stated as the edition numbers. Wu Zetian is two editions of 1,284 and 1,569 or one edition of 2852? I understood it was the latter - we are certain of that? That is also my understanding. A distinction between the physicals and the NFT deeds won't make sense, as the latter will also end up as a physical (or not if the owner misses the deadline...). |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Londown 01 on Feb 9, 2022 10:45:33 GMT 1,
Could people still opt out?
Could people still opt out?
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by klyde on Feb 9, 2022 10:46:33 GMT 1, How many will be in the final edition?
The edition sizes for The Empress will be limited in time and by demand. The number of editions ordered in the purchase window will determine the final size of the edition. For example, if 100 prints are ordered within the time window, the edition will be limited to just 100. Each edition will be uniquely numbered and hand-signed on the label by the artist.
All on the website. No debate needed.
How many will be in the final edition?
The edition sizes for The Empress will be limited in time and by demand. The number of editions ordered in the purchase window will determine the final size of the edition. For example, if 100 prints are ordered within the time window, the edition will be limited to just 100. Each edition will be uniquely numbered and hand-signed on the label by the artist.
All on the website. No debate needed.
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Happy Shopper on Feb 9, 2022 11:39:12 GMT 1, Anyone selling the NFT Deed will have 5% fees to Heni, plus £100 bridging fee then the usual % to Coinbase or whoever they use to transfer back to cash. That will eat into these by £400 odd. Then they will have to pay vat and delivery.
Seller of NFT won't pay the shipping or VAT.
Anyone selling the NFT Deed will have 5% fees to Heni, plus £100 bridging fee then the usual % to Coinbase or whoever they use to transfer back to cash. That will eat into these by £400 odd. Then they will have to pay vat and delivery. Seller of NFT won't pay the shipping or VAT. |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by tvrye on Feb 9, 2022 12:05:07 GMT 1, "The edition size for each work will be the combined total of physical sales + NFT deed sales, since all NFT deeds will be redeemed for the corresponding physical work within 3 years.
Kind regards"
Reply from Heni
"The edition size for each work will be the combined total of physical sales + NFT deed sales, since all NFT deeds will be redeemed for the corresponding physical work within 3 years.
Kind regards"
Reply from Heni
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Happy Shopper on Feb 9, 2022 12:08:12 GMT 1, These values were stated as the edition numbers. Wu Zetian is two editions of 1,284 and 1,569 or one edition of 2852? I understood it was the latter - we are certain of that? It will be one edition size per image (i.e. initial physical + Deeds). At the end of the three years, it is possible that a small percentage of the deeds default, and the total edition is never manufactured…so even though the sticker will say the edition number X out of ~3000, in reality the available physical edition will be less. Heni reserve the right to do whatever they want with the defaulted deeds, including re-selling them at higher prices, donating them to charity for free PR or tax reasons, or not even manufacturing them at all. Let’s face it, a lot can happen in three years - Heni might not even exist as we know it.
I also wonder if some have been "bought" by HENI themselves, to even up the numbers, but may never be actually produced (or will be drip fed to the market later).
Sounds a little odd, but the numbers of each being so even feels suspicious.
These values were stated as the edition numbers. Wu Zetian is two editions of 1,284 and 1,569 or one edition of 2852? I understood it was the latter - we are certain of that? It will be one edition size per image (i.e. initial physical + Deeds). At the end of the three years, it is possible that a small percentage of the deeds default, and the total edition is never manufactured…so even though the sticker will say the edition number X out of ~3000, in reality the available physical edition will be less. Heni reserve the right to do whatever they want with the defaulted deeds, including re-selling them at higher prices, donating them to charity for free PR or tax reasons, or not even manufacturing them at all. Let’s face it, a lot can happen in three years - Heni might not even exist as we know it. I also wonder if some have been "bought" by HENI themselves, to even up the numbers, but may never be actually produced (or will be drip fed to the market later). Sounds a little odd, but the numbers of each being so even feels suspicious. |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by andug on Feb 9, 2022 12:21:14 GMT 1, Could just be nudging to make the edition size of the better prints lower.
Could just be nudging to make the edition size of the better prints lower.
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Stripe on Feb 9, 2022 12:37:16 GMT 1, What would happen now if someone chose to refund their order? Presumably the edition size is now fixed and Heni would keep the refunded print/nft?
What would happen now if someone chose to refund their order? Presumably the edition size is now fixed and Heni would keep the refunded print/nft?
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Art Fan 2011 on Feb 9, 2022 12:54:59 GMT 1, Anyone selling the NFT Deed will have 5% fees to Heni, plus £100 bridging fee then the usual % to Coinbase or whoever they use to transfer back to cash. That will eat into these by £400 odd. Then they will have to pay vat and delivery. Seller of NFT won't pay the shipping or VAT.
And that'll be reflected in the secondary prices - buyers of the NFT will have to take into account they are liable fir shipping and VAT if UK based. Expect NFT's could change hands multiple times before finally being exchanged for a physical.
Could be a large amount of sales in 3 years time when NFT holders face a VAT bill or selling up before the time period runs out
Anyone selling the NFT Deed will have 5% fees to Heni, plus £100 bridging fee then the usual % to Coinbase or whoever they use to transfer back to cash. That will eat into these by £400 odd. Then they will have to pay vat and delivery. Seller of NFT won't pay the shipping or VAT. And that'll be reflected in the secondary prices - buyers of the NFT will have to take into account they are liable fir shipping and VAT if UK based. Expect NFT's could change hands multiple times before finally being exchanged for a physical. Could be a large amount of sales in 3 years time when NFT holders face a VAT bill or selling up before the time period runs out |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Acme Thunderer on Feb 9, 2022 12:58:08 GMT 1, It would be nice if there was more talk about keeping them rather than selling them.
It would be nice if there was more talk about keeping them rather than selling them.
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Happy Shopper on Feb 9, 2022 13:04:51 GMT 1, It would be nice if there was more talk about keeping them rather than selling them.
I think most will actually keep them... but the NFT aspect creates the question of value more than a straight print release.
Relatively few of the 10,000 Currency (9000 in circulation) have actually been sold. 3233 sales (and I expect that's a lot of the same ones being sold multiple times)
It would be nice if there was more talk about keeping them rather than selling them. I think most will actually keep them... but the NFT aspect creates the question of value more than a straight print release. Relatively few of the 10,000 Currency (9000 in circulation) have actually been sold. 3233 sales (and I expect that's a lot of the same ones being sold multiple times) |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Happy Shopper on Feb 9, 2022 13:25:51 GMT 1, Seller of NFT won't pay the shipping or VAT. And that'll be reflected in the secondary prices - buyers of the NFT will have to take into account they are liable fir shipping and VAT if UK based.
Swings and roundabout for both options.
Shipping will have to be paid either way, but direct from Heni for the the secondary NFT buyer may be preferable.
And, as you say, the VAT payment would only be an issue for UK buyers... so unlikely to be reflected in secondary sale prices of the NFTs worldwide.
Seller of NFT won't pay the shipping or VAT. And that'll be reflected in the secondary prices - buyers of the NFT will have to take into account they are liable fir shipping and VAT if UK based. Swings and roundabout for both options. Shipping will have to be paid either way, but direct from Heni for the the secondary NFT buyer may be preferable. And, as you say, the VAT payment would only be an issue for UK buyers... so unlikely to be reflected in secondary sale prices of the NFTs worldwide. |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Art Buy Guy on Feb 9, 2022 13:32:21 GMT 1, It would be nice if there was more talk about keeping them rather than selling them. 
It would be nice if there was more talk about keeping them rather than selling them. I will probably keep 1 (Theodora) of my 7. |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Art Fan 2011 on Feb 9, 2022 13:38:53 GMT 1, And that'll be reflected in the secondary prices - buyers of the NFT will have to take into account they are liable fir shipping and VAT if UK based. Swings and roundabout for both options. Shipping will have to be paid either way, but direct from Heni for the the secondary NFT buyer may be preferable. And, as you say, the VAT payment would only be an issue for UK buyers... so unlikely to be reflected in secondary sale prices of the NFTs worldwide.
for the NFT presumably HENI just declare the customs value at $3500.
And that'll be reflected in the secondary prices - buyers of the NFT will have to take into account they are liable fir shipping and VAT if UK based. Swings and roundabout for both options. Shipping will have to be paid either way, but direct from Heni for the the secondary NFT buyer may be preferable. And, as you say, the VAT payment would only be an issue for UK buyers... so unlikely to be reflected in secondary sale prices of the NFTs worldwide. Overseas buyers still get stung with VAT at somepoint, they are still liable for import taxes. Whatever is paid for the NFT presumably HENI just declare the customs value at $3500. |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Art for Love 1 on Feb 9, 2022 13:48:02 GMT 1, glad i bought the physical!
glad i bought the physical!
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