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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by artlike on Feb 14, 2022 17:41:12 GMT 1, If anyone is panicking, I'm still offering cost on all versions
Nobody will sell these below cost...
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Deleted on Feb 14, 2022 17:48:09 GMT 1, If anyone is panicking, I'm still offering cost on all versions Nobody will sell these below cost...
Want a bet?
After all the fees etc
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by tonys on Feb 14, 2022 17:53:40 GMT 1, I admire your passion to own worthless art. Art is never worthless. 
I admire your passion to own worthless art. Art is never worthless. All art is worthless according to Oscar Wilde |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Charlie Bronson on Feb 14, 2022 17:54:28 GMT 1, I don’t like the injection of all these nft/crypto bozos into our art world. They’re in it for one thing and one thing only, the commoditization of art. I know that’s been around forever, but this just feels lame af. It’s perfectly fine to have a passion for art as well as a knack for making money off of it, but this isn’t that. I’ve bought tons of art to flip, but in the end I never flip it, instead I keep it because I love art, not money. This whole thing, that being the injection of crypto people into art, just feels wrong from an art lover’s perspective. I feel like this thread is a microcosm and prime example of a larger issue that’s befalling the art world. Perhaps Heni in fact hasn’t done a good thing with the Currency and this release. Rant over.
I don’t like the injection of all these nft/crypto bozos into our art world. They’re in it for one thing and one thing only, the commoditization of art. I know that’s been around forever, but this just feels lame af. It’s perfectly fine to have a passion for art as well as a knack for making money off of it, but this isn’t that. I’ve bought tons of art to flip, but in the end I never flip it, instead I keep it because I love art, not money. This whole thing, that being the injection of crypto people into art, just feels wrong from an art lover’s perspective. I feel like this thread is a microcosm and prime example of a larger issue that’s befalling the art world. Perhaps Heni in fact hasn’t done a good thing with the Currency and this release. Rant over.
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Londown 01 on Feb 14, 2022 17:56:47 GMT 1,
All that Heni have proven is that flippers are not just immoral but also idiots.
All that Heni have proven is that flippers are not just immoral but also idiots.
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Deleted on Feb 14, 2022 18:23:14 GMT 1, I don’t like the injection of all these nft/crypto bozos into our art world. They’re in it for one thing and one thing only, the commoditization of art. I know that’s been around forever, but this just feels lame af. It’s perfectly fine to have a passion for art as well as a knack for making money off of it, but this isn’t that. I’ve bought tons of art to flip, but in the end I never flip it, instead I keep it because I love art, not money. This whole thing, that being the injection of crypto people into art, just feels wrong from an art lover’s perspective. I feel like this thread is a microcosm and prime example of a larger issue that’s befalling the art world. Perhaps Heni in fact hasn’t done a good thing with the Currency and this release. Rant over. I agree but what troubles me even more is the fact that Heni seems to be going out of its way to encourage people to think of art as a means of making money. I can forgive them for Hirst's The Currency because that was part of the concept, but they now seem to be going in that direction with everything. All other galleries are trying hard to deter flippers. Heni are actively and unashamedly encouraging them.
Very little art is bought at >£1000 for just love of the art, of course there are exceptions, but as a rule I think we all buy it hoping when we need to sell we won't take too much of a hit on it or even break even or <swear word coming> profit.
I don't blame Heni and Hirst as they are a business and it appears they want to make as much money as possible as fast as they can.
They are using our greed to feed themselves.
No idea what will happen to this one, it has a 3 year run
Mine will be on my wall in a few months, and when i look at it, I will enjoy it, but I will enjoy it more if I can sell at cost or more when I need to
I don’t like the injection of all these nft/crypto bozos into our art world. They’re in it for one thing and one thing only, the commoditization of art. I know that’s been around forever, but this just feels lame af. It’s perfectly fine to have a passion for art as well as a knack for making money off of it, but this isn’t that. I’ve bought tons of art to flip, but in the end I never flip it, instead I keep it because I love art, not money. This whole thing, that being the injection of crypto people into art, just feels wrong from an art lover’s perspective. I feel like this thread is a microcosm and prime example of a larger issue that’s befalling the art world. Perhaps Heni in fact hasn’t done a good thing with the Currency and this release. Rant over. I agree but what troubles me even more is the fact that Heni seems to be going out of its way to encourage people to think of art as a means of making money. I can forgive them for Hirst's The Currency because that was part of the concept, but they now seem to be going in that direction with everything. All other galleries are trying hard to deter flippers. Heni are actively and unashamedly encouraging them. Art has always been a way of making money. Very little art is bought at >£1000 for just love of the art, of course there are exceptions, but as a rule I think we all buy it hoping when we need to sell we won't take too much of a hit on it or even break even or <swear word coming> profit. I don't blame Heni and Hirst as they are a business and it appears they want to make as much money as possible as fast as they can. They are using our greed to feed themselves. No idea what will happen to this one, it has a 3 year run Mine will be on my wall in a few months, and when i look at it, I will enjoy it, but I will enjoy it more if I can sell at cost or more when I need to |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Acme Thunderer on Feb 14, 2022 18:58:38 GMT 1, Floor prices are now between $3,500 (on Heni) to $3,800 (on Opensea). Looks like these will be going for under cost shortly especially with fees and from those people who bought to flip on their credit cards. For anyone who did not buy, they should be able to get for around $3,000 shortly but not below that. After this short dip, they will then go back up. Anyone who bought to keep for a minimum of 1 year will have nothing to worry about.
Floor prices are now between $3,500 (on Heni) to $3,800 (on Opensea). Looks like these will be going for under cost shortly especially with fees and from those people who bought to flip on their credit cards. For anyone who did not buy, they should be able to get for around $3,000 shortly but not below that. After this short dip, they will then go back up. Anyone who bought to keep for a minimum of 1 year will have nothing to worry about.
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Deleted on Feb 14, 2022 19:01:04 GMT 1, Art has always been a way of making money. Very little art is bought at >£1000 for just love of the art, of course there are exceptions, but as a rule I think we all buy it hoping when we need to sell we won't take too much of a hit on it or even break even or <swear word coming> profit. I don't blame Heni and Hirst as they are a business and it appears they want to make as much money as possible as fast as they can. They are using our greed to feed themselves. No idea what will happen to this one, it has a 3 year run Mine will be on my wall in a few months, and when i look at it, I will enjoy it, but I will enjoy it more if I can sell at cost or more when I need to I don't disagree with you. We all like to think our art is valuable and worth more than what we paid for it. I just find it odd that Heni actively encourages flippers. I don't know of any other art gallery that does this. They all seem to state, one print per customer and state that you must not sell within the first 2 years of purchase or something like that. Artists also object to people buying their work and then selling it six months later. Heni, on the other hand, don't seem to give a damn.
I am guessing here, but i would imagine Heni would respect the relevant artists wishes on open, timed & limited editions.
Maybe it's not Heni? Perhaps it's Hirst?
Art has always been a way of making money. Very little art is bought at >£1000 for just love of the art, of course there are exceptions, but as a rule I think we all buy it hoping when we need to sell we won't take too much of a hit on it or even break even or <swear word coming> profit. I don't blame Heni and Hirst as they are a business and it appears they want to make as much money as possible as fast as they can. They are using our greed to feed themselves. No idea what will happen to this one, it has a 3 year run Mine will be on my wall in a few months, and when i look at it, I will enjoy it, but I will enjoy it more if I can sell at cost or more when I need to I don't disagree with you. We all like to think our art is valuable and worth more than what we paid for it. I just find it odd that Heni actively encourages flippers. I don't know of any other art gallery that does this. They all seem to state, one print per customer and state that you must not sell within the first 2 years of purchase or something like that. Artists also object to people buying their work and then selling it six months later. Heni, on the other hand, don't seem to give a damn. I am guessing here, but i would imagine Heni would respect the relevant artists wishes on open, timed & limited editions. Maybe it's not Heni? Perhaps it's Hirst? |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Ravnur 2020 on Feb 14, 2022 19:11:52 GMT 1, I agree but what troubles me even more is the fact that Heni seems to be going out of its way to encourage people to think of art as a means of making money. I can forgive them for Hirst's The Currency because that was part of the concept, but they now seem to be going in that direction with everything. All other galleries are trying hard to deter flippers. Heni are actively and unashamedly encouraging them. Art has always been a way of making money. Very little art is bought at >£1000 for just love of the art, of course there are exceptions, but as a rule I think we all buy it hoping when we need to sell we won't take too much of a hit on it or even break even or <swear word coming> profit. I don't blame Heni and Hirst as they are a business and it appears they want to make as much money as possible as fast as they can. They are using our greed to feed themselves. No idea what will happen to this one, it has a 3 year run Mine will be on my wall in a few months, and when i look at it, I will enjoy it, but I will enjoy it more if I can sell at cost or more when I need to
I respectfully disagree. I think as a rule most people actually buy art because they like it and want to display it for a longer term. I think the flippers are the anomaly and the very prevalent chat about value on this forum (of which I include myself) is not representative for the wider art buying public. I know hundreds of people who buy art and hardly anyone who buys with selling in mind. That your buy sometimes gives you a windfall if you come to sell is of course a bonus.
I agree but what troubles me even more is the fact that Heni seems to be going out of its way to encourage people to think of art as a means of making money. I can forgive them for Hirst's The Currency because that was part of the concept, but they now seem to be going in that direction with everything. All other galleries are trying hard to deter flippers. Heni are actively and unashamedly encouraging them. Art has always been a way of making money. Very little art is bought at >£1000 for just love of the art, of course there are exceptions, but as a rule I think we all buy it hoping when we need to sell we won't take too much of a hit on it or even break even or <swear word coming> profit. I don't blame Heni and Hirst as they are a business and it appears they want to make as much money as possible as fast as they can. They are using our greed to feed themselves. No idea what will happen to this one, it has a 3 year run Mine will be on my wall in a few months, and when i look at it, I will enjoy it, but I will enjoy it more if I can sell at cost or more when I need to I respectfully disagree. I think as a rule most people actually buy art because they like it and want to display it for a longer term. I think the flippers are the anomaly and the very prevalent chat about value on this forum (of which I include myself) is not representative for the wider art buying public. I know hundreds of people who buy art and hardly anyone who buys with selling in mind. That your buy sometimes gives you a windfall if you come to sell is of course a bonus. |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Deleted on Feb 14, 2022 19:18:29 GMT 1, Art has always been a way of making money. Very little art is bought at >£1000 for just love of the art, of course there are exceptions, but as a rule I think we all buy it hoping when we need to sell we won't take too much of a hit on it or even break even or <swear word coming> profit. I don't blame Heni and Hirst as they are a business and it appears they want to make as much money as possible as fast as they can. They are using our greed to feed themselves. No idea what will happen to this one, it has a 3 year run Mine will be on my wall in a few months, and when i look at it, I will enjoy it, but I will enjoy it more if I can sell at cost or more when I need to I respectfully disagree. I think as a rule most people actually buy art because they like it and want to display it for a longer term. I think the flippers are the anomaly and the very prevalent chat about value on this forum (of which I include myself) is not representative for the wider art buying public. I know hundreds of people who buy art and hardly anyone who buys with selling in mind. That your buy sometimes gives you a windfall if you come to sell is of course a bonus.
I don't think I have bought anything art wise that I have sold within a couple of years. Most of the art I buy I do like, I have bought the occasional piece that I don't particularly like but bought due to liking the artist.
You know hundreds of people that buy art for over £1000 with no regard at all for who produced the art? Who have purchased just for the love of what they see? I would love to be in the position to spend that amount with no regards to resale.
I do collect other stuff though, black forest bears, furniture etc that I just have to have regardless, so yeah I understand.
I think this forum is quite bad for the soul, it seems to be about greed and I get sucked into it like others I would guess.
The fun of collecting is in the chase, trying to get the piece of art. I guess drops like this are a bit of a wake up call for me, the art itself is being tainted.
Anyhow off to the gym to get rid of my melancholy mood
Art has always been a way of making money. Very little art is bought at >£1000 for just love of the art, of course there are exceptions, but as a rule I think we all buy it hoping when we need to sell we won't take too much of a hit on it or even break even or <swear word coming> profit. I don't blame Heni and Hirst as they are a business and it appears they want to make as much money as possible as fast as they can. They are using our greed to feed themselves. No idea what will happen to this one, it has a 3 year run Mine will be on my wall in a few months, and when i look at it, I will enjoy it, but I will enjoy it more if I can sell at cost or more when I need to I respectfully disagree. I think as a rule most people actually buy art because they like it and want to display it for a longer term. I think the flippers are the anomaly and the very prevalent chat about value on this forum (of which I include myself) is not representative for the wider art buying public. I know hundreds of people who buy art and hardly anyone who buys with selling in mind. That your buy sometimes gives you a windfall if you come to sell is of course a bonus. I don't think I have bought anything art wise that I have sold within a couple of years. Most of the art I buy I do like, I have bought the occasional piece that I don't particularly like but bought due to liking the artist. You know hundreds of people that buy art for over £1000 with no regard at all for who produced the art? Who have purchased just for the love of what they see? I would love to be in the position to spend that amount with no regards to resale. I do collect other stuff though, black forest bears, furniture etc that I just have to have regardless, so yeah I understand. I think this forum is quite bad for the soul, it seems to be about greed and I get sucked into it like others I would guess. The fun of collecting is in the chase, trying to get the piece of art. I guess drops like this are a bit of a wake up call for me, the art itself is being tainted. Anyhow off to the gym to get rid of my melancholy mood |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by artlike on Feb 14, 2022 19:23:33 GMT 1, Nobody will sell these below cost... Want a bet? After all the fees etc
Think you might have missed the point
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Deleted on Feb 14, 2022 19:29:52 GMT 1, Want a bet? After all the fees etc Think you might have missed the point
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by J0NNY on Feb 14, 2022 22:23:08 GMT 1, All other galleries are trying hard to deter flippers. Heni are actively and unashamedly encouraging them. I think most galleries just pretend to discourage flippers to make it look like they are doing the right thing but at the end of the day, unless they are not for profit they have to make money and how well a represented artist sells on the secondary directly relates to how quickly the will sell works
All other galleries are trying hard to deter flippers. Heni are actively and unashamedly encouraging them. I think most galleries just pretend to discourage flippers to make it look like they are doing the right thing but at the end of the day, unless they are not for profit they have to make money and how well a represented artist sells on the secondary directly relates to how quickly the will sell works |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Londown 01 on Feb 15, 2022 16:20:43 GMT 1,
Since this thread has calmed down, I'd like to ask two questions:
1. Is the "Empresses" release the first with physical artworks and the option of an NFT deed? If not, where has it been done before?
2. How is the "Empresses" release ranking in terms of overall volume money wise: it must be one of the biggest print releases ever with about 50 Million Dollars (15.000x3.500 Dollars)?!
Since this thread has calmed down, I'd like to ask two questions:
1. Is the "Empresses" release the first with physical artworks and the option of an NFT deed? If not, where has it been done before?
2. How is the "Empresses" release ranking in terms of overall volume money wise: it must be one of the biggest print releases ever with about 50 Million Dollars (15.000x3.500 Dollars)?!
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by artlike on Feb 15, 2022 18:49:24 GMT 1, If anyone is panicking, I'm still offering cost on all versions
That ain't going to prop the price up sadly!
If anyone is panicking, I'm still offering cost on all versions That ain't going to prop the price up sadly! |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by tonys on Feb 15, 2022 18:57:35 GMT 1, Got to love the logic of this one... sorry, I meant money laundering
2589. Wu Zetian - bought for $6,940 - listed again for $4023
Got to love the logic of this one... sorry, I meant money laundering
2589. Wu Zetian - bought for $6,940 - listed again for $4023
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by nik2000 on Feb 15, 2022 19:52:57 GMT 1, 15k prints is crazy - will take a while to sign…
15k prints is crazy - will take a while to sign…
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by tasmannelson on Feb 15, 2022 20:15:13 GMT 1, I would like to see another sped up video of Mr Hirst signing again getting a sweat on. Does anyone know how many skull prints were released? Must be close to empresses. I know the 3D release was an edition of 5000 and there was many variations. I’m curious to know if there is a higher number of editions compared to the empresses release.
I would like to see another sped up video of Mr Hirst signing again getting a sweat on. Does anyone know how many skull prints were released? Must be close to empresses. I know the 3D release was an edition of 5000 and there was many variations. I’m curious to know if there is a higher number of editions compared to the empresses release.
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by flingading on Feb 15, 2022 20:35:05 GMT 1, Got to love the logic of this one... sorry, I meant money laundering 2589. Wu Zetian - bought for $6,940 - listed again for $4023
Money laundering is the process of turning (or cleaning) dirty money into legitimate funds. Whilst purposely losing money could be a bizarre way to try and avoid tax by writing off losses It certainly isn’t a method to launder money……according to my friend.
Got to love the logic of this one... sorry, I meant money laundering 2589. Wu Zetian - bought for $6,940 - listed again for $4023 Money laundering is the process of turning (or cleaning) dirty money into legitimate funds. Whilst purposely losing money could be a bizarre way to try and avoid tax by writing off losses It certainly isn’t a method to launder money……according to my friend. |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by robo on Feb 16, 2022 0:04:35 GMT 1, I think these will be available below cost (or at least at a loss for the seller) for a while now. The may perk up in a year or so though. However the 3 year lifespan means a lot will come to market or return to market within 3 years, further depressing prices.
I think these will be available below cost (or at least at a loss for the seller) for a while now. The may perk up in a year or so though. However the 3 year lifespan means a lot will come to market or return to market within 3 years, further depressing prices.
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Gentle Mental on Feb 16, 2022 6:57:19 GMT 1, Think Heni will pick a few hundred up - raising price and greed - just so they can launch another flood.
Think Heni will pick a few hundred up - raising price and greed - just so they can launch another flood.
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by J0NNY on Feb 16, 2022 9:26:43 GMT 1, Think Heni will pick a few hundred up - raising price and greed - just so they can launch another flood.
Why would they? They could do this with the JR project for a lot less outlay or even The currency which is an easier to manipulate market. If they haven’t done it there then I can’t see them doing it on these
Think Heni will pick a few hundred up - raising price and greed - just so they can launch another flood. Why would they? They could do this with the JR project for a lot less outlay or even The currency which is an easier to manipulate market. If they haven’t done it there then I can’t see them doing it on these |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Londown 01 on Feb 16, 2022 10:07:14 GMT 1, never mind
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by klyde on Feb 16, 2022 10:19:39 GMT 1, I admire your passion to own worthless art. Art is never worthless.
Reckon a few owners of Rolf Harris originals/prints might beg to differ...
I admire your passion to own worthless art. Art is never worthless. Reckon a few owners of Rolf Harris originals/prints might beg to differ... |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by The Italian One on Feb 16, 2022 11:01:01 GMT 1, funny things...
just after the banks (faze clan) post on insta about empresses, the floor was swept (sold more than 50 in 10 m), went from 1.3 (4k usd) to 1.65 (5.2 k usd).
just saying how weird is this NFT market
funny things...
just after the banks (faze clan) post on insta about empresses, the floor was swept (sold more than 50 in 10 m), went from 1.3 (4k usd) to 1.65 (5.2 k usd).
just saying how weird is this NFT market
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by Blue on Feb 16, 2022 11:38:49 GMT 1, Ah i was wondering what caused them to go from selling an average of about 20 a day over the past 3 days to 100+ in the space of 12 hours...
Ah i was wondering what caused them to go from selling an average of about 20 a day over the past 3 days to 100+ in the space of 12 hours...
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by The Italian One on Feb 16, 2022 11:41:06 GMT 1, Ah i was wondering what caused them to go from selling an average of about 20 a day over the past 3 days to 100+ in the space of 12 hours...
Ah i was wondering what caused them to go from selling an average of about 20 a day over the past 3 days to 100+ in the space of 12 hours... actually last couple of hours ;9 |
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by avec art on Feb 16, 2022 13:46:50 GMT 1, relisted
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by The Italian One on Feb 16, 2022 15:13:35 GMT 1, over 150 sold in 22h...
DH market doesn't know limits
over 150 sold in 22h...
DH market doesn't know limits
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