Good exchange.

Despite the relative triviality of the subject, this is the kind of debate I do find engaging. Hair-splitting and pedantry on non‑commercial matters is far less tedious to me than reading a stream of self-interested posts about the latest auction results for Thierry Noir.



Leaving aside one moment what is technically accurate, convention must also be considered — i.e. what most people actually mean when they use certain words and expressions.

There are clearly different usages between various groups of individuals, which can sometimes be explained by generational, geographical, cultural or social differences. But at least among my own peers, if somebody suggests, "Let's meet at 12 pm", they usually mean, "Let's meet at 12 noon."





Cheers for the helpful link.

This was also the first website I found when Googling "12 pm noon or midnight", to make sure I really did know what I was talking about before posting.

Excerpt:


What does am and pm mean?

The 12-hour clock divides the 24-hour day into two periods.

-  am stands for the Latin ante meridiem, translating to "before midday". This is the time before the sun has crossed the meridian.

-  pm stands for post meridiem or "after midday" – after the sun has crossed the meridian.

At exactly 12 noon, the Sun is at its highest point in the sky and directly over the meridian. It is therefore neither 'ante' (am) nor 'post' (pm) meridiem. At 12 midnight it also neither am nor pm.



CONCLUSION:

Since noon is midday, then by very definition it can be neither am (before midday) nor pm (after midday).

It is therefore technically nonsensical to refer to "12 am" and "12 pm" — as opposed to, say, "11:59:59 am" (before midday) or "12:00:01 pm" (after midday).

Hence the desirability, both for accuracy and to avoid unnecessary confusion, to refer instead to "12 noon" and "12 midnight". Or, as other members have already emphasised, to use the 24‑hour clock for timekeeping.

First reason: this morning the info on the website looked to be different from the info stated in the t&c. Second reason: this is the UAA forum. We just love to have discussions :-)

Good luck everyone hopefully at least one forum member gets ridiculously lucky

Apologies in advance for labouring the point.

Since I take a keen interest in reasoning, it is difficult for me to resist offering some additional input.



Your argument is fair. But of course it also applies both ways.


1.  We could indeed say that, because pm stands for post meridiem, then 12 pm means 12 hours after noon:

12 pm = midnight


2.  However, we could just as equally say that, because am stands for ante meridiem, then 12 am means 12 hours before noon:

12 am = midnight


The above logic then leaves us with both 12 pm and 12 am having the same meaning — midnight.



One thing I suspect all of us can agree on is that it's preferable to avoid using "pm" and "am" when referring to noon or midnight.

It happened for Charlie Bucket. Don't lose hope.

De wanna wanga! 😉

I'd also love to be gifted a £100k print but I'm pretty realistic and know for certain that it won't be me and it also won't be you.

Good luck though

Are you saying/ suggesting that for the 50 prints that are supposed to be randomly allocated, a number are going to VIPs by bypassing the lottery? 

[I'm just naive and don't want to believe it   ]

These 50 will be allocated properly and fairly (but we still have 0.001% chance - but still a chance 😉).

If there are any VIP editions, they will be different to the run of 50.

I applied but the image is pretty poor to me.

A mouse scratching at “fragile” to make “agile” seems to have little meaning beyond a simple wordplay. To me the design process was too strongly guided by “let’s use a cardboard box” and “let’s scratch it cos we can do that 50 times” than by any deeper artistic thinking. Maybe it was a rush job.

Almost wish he’d found a way to execute it without the wordplay…

Sorry, I talked about art.

As you were - go back to talking about made up VIPs and how clocks work. 😂

any update on the welcome mat COAs for the first batch of 400?

did we nearly go 12 months without this gem?