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STIK
Feb 11, 2023 15:20:39 GMT 1
STIK, by LJCal on Feb 11, 2023 15:20:39 GMT 1, yeah but this isn't Christie's or Sotheby's, and neither is the seller. A private seller adds zero provenance, doesn't pay VAT, overheads or ARR. Won't offer the same security, recourse and reputation as those auction houses. Alas inferring these are worth £15k and using Sothebys and Christie's comps to back up that valuation is probably less fair than comparing to ebay and other private sales given the method of sale. If you want Christie's money take your chances and consign to Christie's (where you could just easily end up with £3-4k hammer price and wait probably 4 months to get paid). Judging by the fact you said you've consigned two sets and I'm guessing they have no shortage of sellers willing to consign more you may have to wait a few years if you're lucky enough to get them accepted and then authenticated by his studio. . Its impressive how missinformation spreads round here. I guess that a print or an OG sale at christies is also not relevant to private sales then? Since if you submit a regular set of holding hands posters, they will tell you "no thanks". that alone makes it pretty obvious to anyone that these sets are different. Also, i submitted mine in December, and the first set is up in the prints and multiples sale this month, id have to conclude you are incorrect on this one also matey. As for 4-5k, it could happen, but the results i posted in the post you quoted, dont really back that up either. your telling someone who has done this already, what will happen. But none of it fits what i have just experienced, while doing it. Oh, and Christies pay 31 days after the sale ends.
You consigned in December, auction isn't until March and you get paid a month or so after, that's 4 months. If you consign now you'd be lucky to get into a September sale (assuming they dont have one of these consigned), so you'll be waiting 7-8 months best case.
Don't see how anything I've said is misinformation, just facts that contradict your view.
yeah but this isn't Christie's or Sotheby's, and neither is the seller. A private seller adds zero provenance, doesn't pay VAT, overheads or ARR. Won't offer the same security, recourse and reputation as those auction houses. Alas inferring these are worth £15k and using Sothebys and Christie's comps to back up that valuation is probably less fair than comparing to ebay and other private sales given the method of sale. If you want Christie's money take your chances and consign to Christie's (where you could just easily end up with £3-4k hammer price and wait probably 4 months to get paid). Judging by the fact you said you've consigned two sets and I'm guessing they have no shortage of sellers willing to consign more you may have to wait a few years if you're lucky enough to get them accepted and then authenticated by his studio. . Its impressive how missinformation spreads round here. I guess that a print or an OG sale at christies is also not relevant to private sales then? Since if you submit a regular set of holding hands posters, they will tell you "no thanks". that alone makes it pretty obvious to anyone that these sets are different. Also, i submitted mine in December, and the first set is up in the prints and multiples sale this month, id have to conclude you are incorrect on this one also matey. As for 4-5k, it could happen, but the results i posted in the post you quoted, dont really back that up either. your telling someone who has done this already, what will happen. But none of it fits what i have just experienced, while doing it. Oh, and Christies pay 31 days after the sale ends. You're choosing to ignore the low result in 2021 that DID happen and could happen again, that's the risk of auction. You consigned in December, auction isn't until March and you get paid a month or so after, that's 4 months. If you consign now you'd be lucky to get into a September sale (assuming they dont have one of these consigned), so you'll be waiting 7-8 months best case. Don't see how anything I've said is misinformation, just facts that contradict your view. |
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Feb 11, 2023 15:50:12 GMT 1
What's the difference and how would you know? There's no mention of any additional written authentication, COA, provenance, case etc from OP that would differentiate it. Nor the auction sales. I am not part of your art world please forgive my ignorance but however they need to be authenticated, I can provide directly via the artist himself, thanks. |
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Feb 11, 2023 15:51:14 GMT 1
STIK, by mcjilton on Feb 11, 2023 15:51:14 GMT 1, I a front end wen developer and this forum is pretty gnarly to use on mobile, wow. I replied to this thread but apparently it has gone in some other section of the page? Lol Scroll way down, they are on a weird part of the forum that lives below every thread. Its a free for all down there.
hah thanks 😊
I a front end wen developer and this forum is pretty gnarly to use on mobile, wow. I replied to this thread but apparently it has gone in some other section of the page? Lol Scroll way down, they are on a weird part of the forum that lives below every thread. Its a free for all down there. hah thanks 😊 |
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STIK
Feb 11, 2023 15:52:37 GMT 1
STIK, by Pete the Post on Feb 11, 2023 15:52:37 GMT 1, Its impressive how missinformation spreads round here. I guess that a print or an OG sale at christies is also not relevant to private sales then? Since if you submit a regular set of holding hands posters, they will tell you "no thanks". that alone makes it pretty obvious to anyone that these sets are different. Also, i submitted mine in December, and the first set is up in the prints and multiples sale this month, id have to conclude you are incorrect on this one also matey. As for 4-5k, it could happen, but the results i posted in the post you quoted, dont really back that up either. your telling someone who has done this already, what will happen. But none of it fits what i have just experienced, while doing it. Oh, and Christies pay 31 days after the sale ends. You're choosing to ignore the low result in 2021 that DID happen and could happen again, that's the risk of auction. You consigned in December, auction isn't until March and you get paid a month or so after, that's 4 months. If you consign now you'd be lucky to get into a September sale (assuming they dont have one of these consigned), so you'll be waiting 7-8 months best case. Don't see how anything I've said is misinformation, just facts that contradict your view.
although you were completely wrong, i get it.
Its impressive how missinformation spreads round here. I guess that a print or an OG sale at christies is also not relevant to private sales then? Since if you submit a regular set of holding hands posters, they will tell you "no thanks". that alone makes it pretty obvious to anyone that these sets are different. Also, i submitted mine in December, and the first set is up in the prints and multiples sale this month, id have to conclude you are incorrect on this one also matey. As for 4-5k, it could happen, but the results i posted in the post you quoted, dont really back that up either. your telling someone who has done this already, what will happen. But none of it fits what i have just experienced, while doing it. Oh, and Christies pay 31 days after the sale ends. You're choosing to ignore the low result in 2021 that DID happen and could happen again, that's the risk of auction. You consigned in December, auction isn't until March and you get paid a month or so after, that's 4 months. If you consign now you'd be lucky to get into a September sale (assuming they dont have one of these consigned), so you'll be waiting 7-8 months best case. Don't see how anything I've said is misinformation, just facts that contradict your view. yeah cool, you were absolutely right. although you were completely wrong, i get it. |
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STIK
Feb 11, 2023 15:54:30 GMT 1
STIK, by Pete the Post on Feb 11, 2023 15:54:30 GMT 1, Scroll way down, they are on a weird part of the forum that lives below every thread. Its a free for all down there. hah thanks 😊
Scroll way down, they are on a weird part of the forum that lives below every thread. Its a free for all down there. hah thanks 😊 My honest advice, ignore this place and put them to auction. |
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mcjilton
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Feb 11, 2023 15:56:54 GMT 1
STIK, by mcjilton on Feb 11, 2023 15:56:54 GMT 1, My honest advice, ignore this place and put them to auction.
thanks Pete, I very much appreciate your contribution to the thread as I now realize these are not the average eBay prints, they have a story, gifted from the artist himself and are part of stik’s story as stik.com will serve as some form of modern day galllery for him in the future (likely).
My honest advice, ignore this place and put them to auction. thanks Pete, I very much appreciate your contribution to the thread as I now realize these are not the average eBay prints, they have a story, gifted from the artist himself and are part of stik’s story as stik.com will serve as some form of modern day galllery for him in the future (likely). |
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Feb 11, 2023 15:59:26 GMT 1
STIK, by mcjilton on Feb 11, 2023 15:59:26 GMT 1, Even if stik were to unfortunately vanish from earth today I can confirm from logs of emails of me buying and selling stik.com, bank transfers from STIK, shipping from STIK studios (tracking still online), phone logs of me and stik, etc etc
he told me himself that he does not do COA’s :/
Even if stik were to unfortunately vanish from earth today I can confirm from logs of emails of me buying and selling stik.com, bank transfers from STIK, shipping from STIK studios (tracking still online), phone logs of me and stik, etc etc
he told me himself that he does not do COA’s :/
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Feb 11, 2023 16:04:07 GMT 1
STIK, by mcjilton on Feb 11, 2023 16:04:07 GMT 1, @ Pete, I guess it’s hard to say without seeing it (still waiting for it in the mail) but if you had an original sketch with the name of a child on it and his signature what would you value the sketch at?
Thanks
Matt
@ Pete, I guess it’s hard to say without seeing it (still waiting for it in the mail) but if you had an original sketch with the name of a child on it and his signature what would you value the sketch at?
Thanks
Matt
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STIK
Feb 11, 2023 16:10:10 GMT 1
STIK, by Pete the Post on Feb 11, 2023 16:10:10 GMT 1, @ Pete, I guess it’s hard to say without seeing it (still waiting for it in the mail) but if you had an original sketch with the name of a child on it and his signature what would you value the sketch at? Thanks Matt
@ Pete, I guess it’s hard to say without seeing it (still waiting for it in the mail) but if you had an original sketch with the name of a child on it and his signature what would you value the sketch at? Thanks Matt Keep it for the nipper, it wont get authenticated and will be a worse thread than this one. If you mean for insurance, im not even sure if they would cover it without authentication (or pay out on it!). |
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Feb 12, 2023 1:18:30 GMT 1
STIK, by LJCal on Feb 12, 2023 1:18:30 GMT 1, You're choosing to ignore the low result in 2021 that DID happen and could happen again, that's the risk of auction. You consigned in December, auction isn't until March and you get paid a month or so after, that's 4 months. If you consign now you'd be lucky to get into a September sale (assuming they dont have one of these consigned), so you'll be waiting 7-8 months best case. Don't see how anything I've said is misinformation, just facts that contradict your view. yeah cool, you were absolutely right. although you were completely wrong, i get it.
You're choosing to ignore the low result in 2021 that DID happen and could happen again, that's the risk of auction. You consigned in December, auction isn't until March and you get paid a month or so after, that's 4 months. If you consign now you'd be lucky to get into a September sale (assuming they dont have one of these consigned), so you'll be waiting 7-8 months best case. Don't see how anything I've said is misinformation, just facts that contradict your view. yeah cool, you were absolutely right. although you were completely wrong, i get it. I get you have a vested interest in these selling for the maximum possible price, however please point out one thing I've said which is wrong? I'm meeting James from Christie's for lunch this week so happy to clarify anything you feel is inaccurate. |
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STIK
Feb 12, 2023 9:54:24 GMT 1
STIK, by Pete the Post on Feb 12, 2023 9:54:24 GMT 1, yeah but this isn't Christie's or Sotheby's, and neither is the seller. A private seller adds zero provenance (THIS COMES WITH STIK PROV AS I POINTED OUT TO YOU, WRONG.), doesn't pay VAT, overheads or ARR. Won't offer the same security, recourse and reputation as those auction houses. Alas inferring these are worth £15k and using Sothebys and Christie's comps to back up that valuation is probably less fair than comparing to ebay (CLEARLY WRONG AS THESE HAVE STIK PROV AND EBAY ONES DONT, LIKE I SAID, SUBMIT A REGULAR SET AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY)and other private sales given the method of sale. If you want Christie's money take your chances and consign to Christie's (where you could just easily end up with £3-4k hammer price and wait probably 4 months to get paid). Judging by the fact you said you've consigned two sets and I'm guessing they have no shortage of sellers (WRONG, I SUBMITTED 2 SETS IN DECEMBER, THEY PUT THEM IN THE NEXT 2 AUCTIONS, SAFE TO SAY THEY HAD NO OTHER SETS AVAILABLE. THEY NOW HAVE SETS IN THE NEXT 2 AUCTIONS, BUT THAT LEAVES PHILLIPS, SOTHEBYS AND BONHAMS TO CONFIRM WITH) willing to consign more you may have to wait a few years if you're lucky enough to get them accepted (WRONG, I JUST DID IT IN A MATTER OF WEEKS.)and then authenticated by his studio (WRONG, THEY HAVE AUTHENTICATION WITH EASE FROM THE STUDIO. MY ASSUMPTION RE YOUR 4 MONTH PAYMENT WAS BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT IT TAKING A YEAR TO SUBMIT, THEREFORE I ASSUMED YOU MEANT AN ADDITIONAL 4 MONTHS FOR PAYMENT, FEEL FREE TO EXPLAIN HOW IT WOULD TAKE A YEAR TO SUBMIT, BUT 4 MONTHS TO GET PAID. I didnt ignore the low sale you mentioned either, i did see it, i even said it could happen. What has actually happened there, is you have taken a 2 year old result and focussed on it, to try and prove your point. While seemingly ignoring the more recent sales at higher rates. Even by averaging all of them, you are way off. Covered? Say Hi to James from me.
yeah but this isn't Christie's or Sotheby's, and neither is the seller. A private seller adds zero provenance (THIS COMES WITH STIK PROV AS I POINTED OUT TO YOU, WRONG.), doesn't pay VAT, overheads or ARR. Won't offer the same security, recourse and reputation as those auction houses. Alas inferring these are worth £15k and using Sothebys and Christie's comps to back up that valuation is probably less fair than comparing to ebay (CLEARLY WRONG AS THESE HAVE STIK PROV AND EBAY ONES DONT, LIKE I SAID, SUBMIT A REGULAR SET AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY)and other private sales given the method of sale. If you want Christie's money take your chances and consign to Christie's (where you could just easily end up with £3-4k hammer price and wait probably 4 months to get paid). Judging by the fact you said you've consigned two sets and I'm guessing they have no shortage of sellers (WRONG, I SUBMITTED 2 SETS IN DECEMBER, THEY PUT THEM IN THE NEXT 2 AUCTIONS, SAFE TO SAY THEY HAD NO OTHER SETS AVAILABLE. THEY NOW HAVE SETS IN THE NEXT 2 AUCTIONS, BUT THAT LEAVES PHILLIPS, SOTHEBYS AND BONHAMS TO CONFIRM WITH) willing to consign more you may have to wait a few years if you're lucky enough to get them accepted (WRONG, I JUST DID IT IN A MATTER OF WEEKS.)and then authenticated by his studio (WRONG, THEY HAVE AUTHENTICATION WITH EASE FROM THE STUDIO. MY ASSUMPTION RE YOUR 4 MONTH PAYMENT WAS BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT IT TAKING A YEAR TO SUBMIT, THEREFORE I ASSUMED YOU MEANT AN ADDITIONAL 4 MONTHS FOR PAYMENT, FEEL FREE TO EXPLAIN HOW IT WOULD TAKE A YEAR TO SUBMIT, BUT 4 MONTHS TO GET PAID. I didnt ignore the low sale you mentioned either, i did see it, i even said it could happen. What has actually happened there, is you have taken a 2 year old result and focussed on it, to try and prove your point. While seemingly ignoring the more recent sales at higher rates. Even by averaging all of them, you are way off. Covered? Say Hi to James from me. |
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Feb 12, 2023 15:10:02 GMT 1
STIK, by mcjilton on Feb 12, 2023 15:10:02 GMT 1, Just want to thank you both for keeping this thread active and informative I am learning much about your world here. So what amount would you sell the prints for?
Just want to thank you both for keeping this thread active and informative I am learning much about your world here. So what amount would you sell the prints for?
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Feb 12, 2023 15:53:06 GMT 1
STIK, by cemltz on Feb 12, 2023 15:53:06 GMT 1, Forum has a set for auction in a couple weeks - that will give you a sense of where the market is for the “lesser provenance” sets.
Even with documentation, you are not going to get Sotheby’s prices because, well, you are not Sotheby’s. Pete has thought it through and gone the auction route, he would know better than most what the non-auction street value is.
Forum has a set for auction in a couple weeks - that will give you a sense of where the market is for the “lesser provenance” sets.
Even with documentation, you are not going to get Sotheby’s prices because, well, you are not Sotheby’s. Pete has thought it through and gone the auction route, he would know better than most what the non-auction street value is.
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Feb 12, 2023 16:07:36 GMT 1
STIK, by Pete the Post on Feb 12, 2023 16:07:36 GMT 1, Just want to thank you both for keeping this thread active and informative I am learning much about your world here. So what amount would you sell the prints for?
Just want to thank you both for keeping this thread active and informative I am learning much about your world here. So what amount would you sell the prints for? Not sure, but i wouldnt think 8-10k is impossible. Cemltz is right, you wont get auction money. but someone that gets what these are, will certainly pay more for the prov they come with. |
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Feb 12, 2023 17:03:16 GMT 1
STIK, by mcjilton on Feb 12, 2023 17:03:16 GMT 1, Everyone enjoy their Sunday and thanks again
when the auction is over I will post mine for sale as to not mess up that sellers business.
thank you all for your help.
Everyone enjoy their Sunday and thanks again
when the auction is over I will post mine for sale as to not mess up that sellers business.
thank you all for your help.
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Feb 13, 2023 15:45:52 GMT 1
STIK, by Pete the Post on Feb 13, 2023 15:45:52 GMT 1, Forum has a set for auction in a couple weeks - that will give you a sense of where the market is for the “lesser provenance” sets. Even with documentation, you are not going to get Sotheby’s prices because, well, you are not Sotheby’s. Pete has thought it through and gone the auction route, he would know better than most what the non-auction street value is.
Forum has a set for auction in a couple weeks - that will give you a sense of where the market is for the “lesser provenance” sets. Even with documentation, you are not going to get Sotheby’s prices because, well, you are not Sotheby’s. Pete has thought it through and gone the auction route, he would know better than most what the non-auction street value is. To be honest, i wouldnt have even bothered to sell these here. I wouldnt say i was psychic or anything, but this thread matched my expectations perfectly. |
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Feb 13, 2023 16:12:07 GMT 1
STIK, by cemltz on Feb 13, 2023 16:12:07 GMT 1, Forum has a set for auction in a couple weeks - that will give you a sense of where the market is for the “lesser provenance” sets. Even with documentation, you are not going to get Sotheby’s prices because, well, you are not Sotheby’s. Pete has thought it through and gone the auction route, he would know better than most what the non-auction street value is. To be honest, i wouldnt have even bothered to sell these here. I wouldnt say i was psychic or anything, but this thread matched my expectations perfectly.
Forum has a set for auction in a couple weeks - that will give you a sense of where the market is for the “lesser provenance” sets. Even with documentation, you are not going to get Sotheby’s prices because, well, you are not Sotheby’s. Pete has thought it through and gone the auction route, he would know better than most what the non-auction street value is. To be honest, i wouldnt have even bothered to sell these here. I wouldnt say i was psychic or anything, but this thread matched my expectations perfectly. This is most certainly (and disappointingly) an unwelcoming environment… |
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Feb 13, 2023 17:52:01 GMT 1
STIK, by mojo on Feb 13, 2023 17:52:01 GMT 1, Forum has a set for auction in a couple weeks - that will give you a sense of where the market is for the “lesser provenance” sets. Even with documentation, you are not going to get Sotheby’s prices because, well, you are not Sotheby’s. Pete has thought it through and gone the auction route, he would know better than most what the non-auction street value is.
Good luck with the sales for those lucky enough to have a full set.
Forum has a set for auction in a couple weeks - that will give you a sense of where the market is for the “lesser provenance” sets. Even with documentation, you are not going to get Sotheby’s prices because, well, you are not Sotheby’s. Pete has thought it through and gone the auction route, he would know better than most what the non-auction street value is. Every time I hear that Forum has something in auction you just know its value is suddenly gonna drop. Harsh but true! There won't be many full sets of signed Stik Holding Hands posters available so for a collector they should be very sought after. Good luck with the sales for those lucky enough to have a full set. |
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Feb 13, 2023 19:18:26 GMT 1
STIK, by jaws2000 on Feb 13, 2023 19:18:26 GMT 1, Wouldnt touch the Forum Stik with a barge pole The signatures appear all the same on each coloured addition,i would of thought in a set their be some variation The set were on Ebay a couple of months ago from a seller in Scotland I did ask about how he got them,he replied he drove down to get them signed !! Maybe im wrong but thought we were in lock down Pics from ebay
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Feb 13, 2023 19:52:39 GMT 1
STIK, by Art Attackkk on Feb 13, 2023 19:52:39 GMT 1, Can’t remember what restrictions were in place, but a mate and I got a load of posters signed by stik in Hackney and everyone there outside were wearing masks and socially distancing, so there certainly wasn’t a lockdown at that time. I took my own pen which he used and I sanitised it after. Took some nice photos of the day too. He seems to wear sunglasses and cap all the time anyway, so an added mask to the combo added to his disguise…..! 😂
Can’t remember what restrictions were in place, but a mate and I got a load of posters signed by stik in Hackney and everyone there outside were wearing masks and socially distancing, so there certainly wasn’t a lockdown at that time. I took my own pen which he used and I sanitised it after. Took some nice photos of the day too. He seems to wear sunglasses and cap all the time anyway, so an added mask to the combo added to his disguise…..! 😂
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