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Mar 5, 2023 15:54:16 GMT 1
., by Love Is In The Air on Mar 5, 2023 15:54:16 GMT 1, .
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Mar 5, 2023 17:02:35 GMT 1
., by met on Mar 5, 2023 17:02:35 GMT 1, Hi all, We moved house about 9 months ago and so I have finally got around clearing some art stuff out. I need to make some space more than anything and so hopefully this will be useful to someone. The first items I obtained from the wonderful Trevor M who is sadly no longer with us. Thread about him started by Pidge here with some lovely anecdotes; urbanartassociation.com/thread/182427/trevormMy first meeting with Trev which ended up starting a friendship lasting a few years was when he kindly replied to something I had posted on the forum about being a big Francis Bacon fan. He had some framed prints which had come his way as part of a big deal involving multiple prints (this is a classic Trev type deal, probably involving many prints, tea, biscuits and months of chat). Anyway he said he didn't need them so I went and picked them up and we chatted for an hour or so and continued to do so for years, with deals every so often. He was happy to give away the prints but I managed to persuade him to take £100 on the day I recall and his only proviso was I was taking them to display which I did. Now if anyone wants them I would ask for £100 OBO to Cancer Research UK and they can be picked up from London E17 or we can work out a way to deliver in London. Prints are 28 x 38cm and are in frames they came in, although one has slipped and will need re-floating. IMHO they would look better in smaller thicker frames anyway. Frame size 52 x 63cm. They are signed in plate and have a stamp of some kind and would make a nice pair on a wall for a Bacon fan.Few other bits listed below with suggested fees, all would need to be collected and money to Cancer Research UK. I can send more pics to anyone interested. N's Yard Yoshimoto Nara posters (framed up as prints by some) Still in tubes Midnight truth Dead Of Night These are about £12 a pop on the website but then you have to import them and pay postage and tax and stuff. Maybe someone would want these for £25 OBO each for charity. Dave Towers - YES Canvas Got this from BSMT in lockdown and was a nice positive message to have on the wall in the flat but won't be making the walls in the new place. Few marks here and there but plenty of life in it yet I think. Cost £350, size 76 x 53cm maybe someone will fancy it for £150OBO charity donation. That's it for now, depending on success of failure may put some more stuff on here later. Easiest way to pay may be to put the money on Pidge's original charity page for Trev if he doesn't mind. www.justgiving.com/fundraising/trevorm-art Cheers all and RIP Trev [...]      
Just for the avoidance of doubt, in case it isn't clear to any novice enthusiast on this message board, the above prints of Francis Bacon images are obvious counterfeits.
They should not be mistaken for legitimate releases by the artist or his estate.
Hi all, We moved house about 9 months ago and so I have finally got around clearing some art stuff out. I need to make some space more than anything and so hopefully this will be useful to someone. The first items I obtained from the wonderful Trevor M who is sadly no longer with us. Thread about him started by Pidge here with some lovely anecdotes; urbanartassociation.com/thread/182427/trevormMy first meeting with Trev which ended up starting a friendship lasting a few years was when he kindly replied to something I had posted on the forum about being a big Francis Bacon fan. He had some framed prints which had come his way as part of a big deal involving multiple prints (this is a classic Trev type deal, probably involving many prints, tea, biscuits and months of chat). Anyway he said he didn't need them so I went and picked them up and we chatted for an hour or so and continued to do so for years, with deals every so often. He was happy to give away the prints but I managed to persuade him to take £100 on the day I recall and his only proviso was I was taking them to display which I did. Now if anyone wants them I would ask for £100 OBO to Cancer Research UK and they can be picked up from London E17 or we can work out a way to deliver in London. Prints are 28 x 38cm and are in frames they came in, although one has slipped and will need re-floating. IMHO they would look better in smaller thicker frames anyway. Frame size 52 x 63cm. They are signed in plate and have a stamp of some kind and would make a nice pair on a wall for a Bacon fan.Few other bits listed below with suggested fees, all would need to be collected and money to Cancer Research UK. I can send more pics to anyone interested. N's Yard Yoshimoto Nara posters (framed up as prints by some) Still in tubes Midnight truth Dead Of Night These are about £12 a pop on the website but then you have to import them and pay postage and tax and stuff. Maybe someone would want these for £25 OBO each for charity. Dave Towers - YES Canvas Got this from BSMT in lockdown and was a nice positive message to have on the wall in the flat but won't be making the walls in the new place. Few marks here and there but plenty of life in it yet I think. Cost £350, size 76 x 53cm maybe someone will fancy it for £150OBO charity donation. That's it for now, depending on success of failure may put some more stuff on here later. Easiest way to pay may be to put the money on Pidge's original charity page for Trev if he doesn't mind. www.justgiving.com/fundraising/trevorm-art Cheers all and RIP Trev [...] Just for the avoidance of doubt, in case it isn't clear to any novice enthusiast on this message board, the above prints of Francis Bacon images are obvious counterfeits. They should not be mistaken for legitimate releases by the artist or his estate. |
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Mar 5, 2023 17:10:42 GMT 1
., by Love Is In The Air on Mar 5, 2023 17:10:42 GMT 1, Apologies Met I wasn't meaning to suggest they were expensive official prints from the estate - the price tag of £100 OBO as a charity donation for the pair when they are in large frames should have hopefully been a clue to anyone!
Trev and myself both had a good look around to try to find their origins but struggled to turn up anything. I had wondered if they might be prints made for an exhibition of some kind back in the 80s. The paper they are printed on seems to be decent quality and it is more if someone thinks they look nice and like Bacon but are on a budget, they might be of some use.
Appreciate your comment though, if only to bump the thread which may improve chances of raising some money for charity. Cheers
Apologies Met I wasn't meaning to suggest they were expensive official prints from the estate - the price tag of £100 OBO as a charity donation for the pair when they are in large frames should have hopefully been a clue to anyone!
Trev and myself both had a good look around to try to find their origins but struggled to turn up anything. I had wondered if they might be prints made for an exhibition of some kind back in the 80s. The paper they are printed on seems to be decent quality and it is more if someone thinks they look nice and like Bacon but are on a budget, they might be of some use.
Appreciate your comment though, if only to bump the thread which may improve chances of raising some money for charity. Cheers
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Mar 5, 2023 19:33:24 GMT 1
., by met on Mar 5, 2023 19:33:24 GMT 1, Apologies Met I wasn't meaning to suggest they were expensive official prints from the estate - the price tag of £100 OBO as a charity donation for the pair when they are in large frames should have hopefully been a clue to anyone! Trev and myself both had a good look around to try to find their origins but struggled to turn up anything. I had wondered if they might be prints made for an exhibition of some kind back in the 80s. The paper they are printed on seems to be decent quality and it is more if someone thinks they look nice and like Bacon but are on a budget, they might be of some use. Appreciate your comment though, if only to bump the thread which may improve chances of raising some money for charity. Cheers
No worries whatsoever. My post was simply an effort to try to prevent confusion in the minds of potential acquirers regarding what was on offer.
Whether high or low, the pricing of art isn't especially important to me. For collectors willing to put in the time and do the research, great art (or reproductions thereof) is always available — and accessible, including to those with modest incomes.
However, what I do place a heavy importance on is the authenticity of works that are presented as legitimate.
When considering those prints of Bacon images, I'd have argued it wasn't necessary to look any further than the poorly-executed fake signatures.
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By way of aside, I never actually met Trevorm.
He came across as a pleasant, enthusiastic chap on this message board. Yet his art knowledge had limitations which did place him at risk of being duped by scammers. And therefore at risk of being someone who might resell counterfeits to other collectors without even realising it.
One specific example that sticks in my mind is the fake Mr Brainwash image with a fake Andy Warhol signature — and the attempt last year to sell that piece as an authentic Warhol.*
What this emphasises is that, even if we as collectors are dealing with a seller we know to be honest, we can still remain vulnerable if that seller is oblivious of the fact they themselves may have been victim to a previous (unscrupulous) seller in the chain of ownership for a particular item.
A reseller's integrity alone thus has limited value as a safeguard against fraud, unless also accompanied by a suitable level of relevant awareness or expertise.
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All the best to you with the fundraising.
Apologies Met I wasn't meaning to suggest they were expensive official prints from the estate - the price tag of £100 OBO as a charity donation for the pair when they are in large frames should have hopefully been a clue to anyone! Trev and myself both had a good look around to try to find their origins but struggled to turn up anything. I had wondered if they might be prints made for an exhibition of some kind back in the 80s. The paper they are printed on seems to be decent quality and it is more if someone thinks they look nice and like Bacon but are on a budget, they might be of some use. Appreciate your comment though, if only to bump the thread which may improve chances of raising some money for charity. Cheers No worries whatsoever. My post was simply an effort to try to prevent confusion in the minds of potential acquirers regarding what was on offer. Whether high or low, the pricing of art isn't especially important to me. For collectors willing to put in the time and do the research, great art (or reproductions thereof) is always available — and accessible, including to those with modest incomes. However, what I do place a heavy importance on is the authenticity of works that are presented as legitimate. When considering those prints of Ba con images, I'd have argued it wasn't necessary to look any further than the poorly-executed fake signatures. __________ By way of aside, I never actually met Trevorm. He came across as a pleasant, enthusiastic chap on this message board. Yet his art knowledge had limitations which did place him at risk of being duped by scammers. And therefore at risk of being someone who might resell counterfeits to other collectors without even realising it. One specific example that sticks in my mind is the fake Mr Brain wash image with a fake Andy War hol signature — and the attempt last year to sell that piece as an authentic War hol. *What this emphasises is that, even if we as collectors are dealing with a seller we know to be honest, we can still remain vulnerable if that seller is oblivious of the fact they themselves may have been victim to a previous (unscrupulous) seller in the chain of ownership for a particular item. A reseller's integrity alone thus has limited value as a safeguard against fraud, unless also accompanied by a suitable level of relevant awareness or expertise. __________ All the best to you with the fundraising. |
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Mar 6, 2023 8:05:08 GMT 1
., by Love Is In The Air on Mar 6, 2023 8:05:08 GMT 1, Sadly no joy with sales on this thread over the weekend so I'll try some different items in the coming weeks and will make a charity donation from the proceeds. Thanks to everyone for looking.
Sadly no joy with sales on this thread over the weekend so I'll try some different items in the coming weeks and will make a charity donation from the proceeds. Thanks to everyone for looking.
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