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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by lukas01 on Jun 23, 2023 21:12:05 GMT 1, Anyone know why Banksy had a laminated Pukka Pie poster in his boyhood bedroom? There must be a reason why. It was a retro poster that might have been this one. 
... "don't compromise"...
Anyone know why Banksy had a laminated Pukka Pie poster in his boyhood bedroom? There must be a reason why. It was a retro poster that might have been this one. ... "don't compromise"... |
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by met on Jun 23, 2023 21:27:02 GMT 1, Cheers for your patience. If we could wait until 28 August to see if anything appears on Ban ksy's website or Instagram, that would be appreciated. Like bookends, I too am unfazed by the BBC article. For me, that isn't a credible source for Ban ksy authenticity matters. It seems to have been written by someone who may have had a tight deadline, allowed themselves to be misled, or was a bit muddled. Given the presence of at least two fake rats we've recently seen in Glas gow, including a stolen one featured in The Scottish Sun, confusion could easily have arisen between those clear fakes and the Orange Order rat during a brief email or telephone exchange with some anonymous spokesperson: www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10847140/banksy-riddle-glasgow-artwork-stolen-queen-street/   __________ In the meantime, we have an opportunity to encourage ourselves to look at str eet art in greater detail, not just casually. It is a way for us to keep training our eyes, to more‑quickly recognise tells — like stencil‑cutting and spraying techniques, level of and attention to detail, placement, speed and confidence of execution, and final touch‑ups to pieces (such as visually‑pleasing messiness and deliberate "mistakes" like drips and overspray). Even something as minor as wall preparation and priming can become recognisable, for example in its meticulousness or the materials used. When looking at the black wall on which the Orange Order rat appeared, in the right light we see the wall wasn't initially a blank surface. Some tagging was already there. And it was then covered up — by the black spraypaint of a graffiti writer, not by the buffing paint roller of a council worker:  We can also begin to recognise the other patterns of an artist — their general aesthetics, character and writing styles, colour palette, tone, sensibility, preferred themes, and favourite subject matters. In the case of the Orange Order rat, to my eyes and mind, all the elements referred to above immediately point to Ban ksy. I see the presence of no red flag indicating otherwise. [...] There's a lot of details that suggests it's Ban ksy, but I'm not 100% convinced. My main objection being there are too many elements. But from the top of my mind here are two pics that are pro the Ban ksy alternative: The similarities with this rat (eye, hind legs etc.):  The Balfour party helmets.  Reference: 
hnkpnk — Many thanks for your thoughts and general efforts here.
Courtesy note for the non‑nerds on this message board
To avoid having your patience tested, my recommendation would be to scroll past this post.
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If a street piece has a multitude of elements pointing to Banksy, these are indicators that the piece was indeed created by Banksy, rather than by someone else.
Unless of course some of those elements are suspicious, because they suggest aping by a third party and they belie what the artist would actually do.
In what you've highlighted, I see nothing glaring:
1. Similarities with a London Underground lockdown rat
Resemblances are present, but for me they aren't red flags. We could just as easily view them as Banksy showing consistency with one of his many different styles of rat imagery.
Focusing on the eye in particular, the arrow‑like shape is a simple way of depicting a closed‑eye grimace. It was an appropriate go‑to, cartoonish expression to fall back on — for both the sneezing Tube rat in 2020, and the shocked Orange Order rat of 2023, whose tail has just been painfully snapped by the hammer of the trap.
A somewhat similar arrow‑like shape of the eye has also been repeatedly used to express anger, determination or concentration in Banksy's many iterations of the Flower Thrower image:
Separately, it is worth emphasising that the fake Banksy rats we've thus far seen, on random walls and street furniture around the world, have almost entirely been wholesale copies of images previously created by the artist.
And almost always in a basic, one‑layer stencil, monochrome format.
2. Use of the Union Jack bowler hat
Nothing odd here. That hat isn't random. It is for the benefit of the image, serving to further emphasise the rat's unionist and anti‑separatist credentials.
__________
Leaving aside artistic concept and political intent, and focusing purely on the visual evidence, what we probably agree on is that the creator of the Orange Order rat was a skilled stencillist.
That said, plenty of people can cut tight stencils, even amateurs.
There aren't too many, however, who are so adept at controlling spraycans, especially when the image being sprayed is in small format. I would submit that the spraying techniques used for the Orange Order rat were those of a professional — somebody with years of experience in the field.
But just for argument's sake, let's assume this rat may be a pastiche created by another graffiti writer, one who is gifted at stencilling as well.
In your view, what are the chances that the Banksy copycat would also:
(a) first, actually think about; and then
(b) bother to make the additional effort of adding,
Banksy‑style final touch‑ups to the piece? These being the kind of finishes and flourishes that probably go unnoticed by the vast majority of viewers.
Two examples
1. The freehand sponge or brushwork application of the same peachy flesh tone used in February for Valentine's Day Mascara in Margate:
2. The freehand splatter‑spray of red paint around the letters 'S' and 'A' of the word "SAVE":
Cheers for your patience. If we could wait until 28 August to see if anything appears on Ban ksy's website or Instagram, that would be appreciated. Like bookends, I too am unfazed by the BBC article. For me, that isn't a credible source for Ban ksy authenticity matters. It seems to have been written by someone who may have had a tight deadline, allowed themselves to be misled, or was a bit muddled. Given the presence of at least two fake rats we've recently seen in Glas gow, including a stolen one featured in The Scottish Sun, confusion could easily have arisen between those clear fakes and the Orange Order rat during a brief email or telephone exchange with some anonymous spokesperson: www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/10847140/banksy-riddle-glasgow-artwork-stolen-queen-street/__________ In the meantime, we have an opportunity to encourage ourselves to look at str eet art in greater detail, not just casually. It is a way for us to keep training our eyes, to more‑quickly recognise tells — like stencil‑cutting and spraying techniques, level of and attention to detail, placement, speed and confidence of execution, and final touch‑ups to pieces (such as visually‑pleasing messiness and deliberate "mistakes" like drips and overspray). Even something as minor as wall preparation and priming can become recognisable, for example in its meticulousness or the materials used. When looking at the black wall on which the Orange Order rat appeared, in the right light we see the wall wasn't initially a blank surface. Some tagging was already there. And it was then covered up — by the black spraypaint of a graffiti writer, not by the buffing paint roller of a council worker: We can also begin to recognise the other patterns of an artist — their general aesthetics, character and writing styles, colour palette, tone, sensibility, preferred themes, and favourite subject matters. In the case of the Orange Order rat, to my eyes and mind, all the elements referred to above immediately point to Ban ksy. I see the presence of no red flag indicating otherwise. [...] There's a lot of details that suggests it's Ban ksy, but I'm not 100% convinced. My main objection being there are too many elements. But from the top of my mind here are two pics that are pro the Ban ksy alternative: The similarities with this rat (eye, hind legs etc.): The Balfour party helmets. Reference: — Many thanks for your thoughts and general efforts here. Courtesy note for the non‑nerds on this message boardTo avoid having your patience tested, my recommendation would be to scroll past this post. __________ If a street piece has a multitude of elements pointing to Ban ksy, these are indicators that the piece was indeed created by Ban ksy, rather than by someone else. Unless of course some of those elements are suspicious, because they suggest aping by a third party and they belie what the artist would actually do. In what you've highlighted, I see nothing glaring: 1. Similarities with a London Underground lockdown ratResemblances are present, but for me they aren't red flags. We could just as easily view them as Ban ksy showing consistency with one of his many different styles of rat imagery. Focusing on the eye in particular, the arrow‑like shape is a simple way of depicting a closed‑eye grimace. It was an appropriate go‑to, cartoonish expression to fall back on — for both the sneezing Tube rat in 2020, and the shocked Orange Order rat of 2023, whose tail has just been painfully snapped by the hammer of the trap. A somewhat similar arrow‑like shape of the eye has also been repeatedly used to express anger, determination or concentration in Ban ksy's many iterations of the Flower Thrower image: Separately, it is worth emphasising that the fake Ban ksy rats we've thus far seen, on random walls and street furniture around the world, have almost entirely been wholesale copies of images previously created by the artist. And almost always in a basic, one‑layer stencil, monochrome format. 2. Use of the Union Jack bowler hatNothing odd here. That hat isn't random. It is for the benefit of the image, serving to further emphasise the rat's unionist and anti‑separatist credentials. __________ Leaving aside artistic concept and political intent, and focusing purely on the visual evidence, what we probably agree on is that the creator of the Orange Order rat was a skilled stencillist. That said, plenty of people can cut tight stencils, even amateurs. There aren't too many, however, who are so adept at controlling spraycans, especially when the image being sprayed is in small format. I would submit that the spraying techniques used for the Orange Order rat were those of a professional — somebody with years of experience in the field. But just for argument's sake, let's assume this rat may be a pastiche created by another graffiti writer, one who is gifted at stencilling as well. In your view, what are the chances that the Ban ksy copycat would also: (a) first, actually think about; and then (b) bother to make the additional effort of adding, Banksy‑style final touch‑ups to the piece? These being the kind of finishes and flourishes that probably go unnoticed by the vast majority of viewers. Two examples1. The freehand sponge or brushwork application of the same peachy flesh tone used in February for Valentine's Day Mascara in Margate: 2. The freehand splatter‑spray of red paint around the letters 'S' and 'A' of the word "SAVE": |
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by Spenie on Jun 23, 2023 21:43:01 GMT 1, 3 train strike date announced for July , one when I'm booked to travel, typical 
3 train strike date announced for July , one when I'm booked to travel, typical |
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by JL Broooks on Jun 23, 2023 21:45:00 GMT 1, Thanks man - really appreciate the gesture. I’ll definitely note it down in my good guys book 👏 That said - Joe wrote me first so I gave the tickets to him (fitted his travel plans quite well).
Thanks man - really appreciate the gesture. I’ll definitely note it down in my good guys book 👏 That said - Joe wrote me first so I gave the tickets to him (fitted his travel plans quite well).
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by JL Broooks on Jun 23, 2023 21:46:09 GMT 1, That last post was meant to Lord Lucas Roham
That last post was meant to Lord Lucas Roham
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by avec art on Jun 23, 2023 22:59:14 GMT 1, The quality of the stencil is high, and use of sponge and colours are all pretty consistent with techniques used in previous Banksy work. But these effects can also be imitated.
The misregistration of the stencils is fairly striking especially around the hat. It would be pretty difficult to avoid that with so much detail. But I'm not sure you see this so much elsewhere in his work.
The quality of the stencil is high, and use of sponge and colours are all pretty consistent with techniques used in previous Banksy work. But these effects can also be imitated.
The misregistration of the stencils is fairly striking especially around the hat. It would be pretty difficult to avoid that with so much detail. But I'm not sure you see this so much elsewhere in his work.
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by bookends on Jun 23, 2023 23:16:01 GMT 1, So if you dont think Banksy did it...
Who do you think did ??
Eyesore ?
Jps ?
Silent Bill ?
mrs banksy ?
Zedzy ?
Who ?
So if you dont think Banksy did it...
Who do you think did ??
Eyesore ?
Jps ?
Silent Bill ?
mrs banksy ?
Zedzy ?
Who ?
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by hnkpnk on Jun 24, 2023 0:31:51 GMT 1, There's a lot of details that suggests it's Ban ksy, but I'm not 100% convinced. My main objection being there are too many elements. But from the top of my mind here are two pics that are pro the Ban ksy alternative: The similarities with this rat (eye, hind legs etc.): The Balfour party helmets. Reference: — Many thanks for your thoughts and general efforts here. Courtesy note for the non‑nerds on this message boardTo avoid having your patience tested, my recommendation would be to scroll past this post. __________ If a street piece has a multitude of elements pointing to Ban ksy, these are indicators that the piece was indeed created by Ban ksy, rather than by someone else. Unless of course some of those elements are suspicious, because they suggest aping by a third party and they belie what the artist would actually do. In what you've highlighted, I see nothing glaring: 1. Similarities with a London Underground lockdown ratResemblances are present, but for me they aren't red flags. We could just as easily view them as Ban ksy showing consistency with one of his many different styles of rat imagery. Focusing on the eye in particular, the arrow‑like shape is a simple way of depicting a closed‑eye grimace. It was an appropriate go‑to, cartoonish expression to fall back on — for both the sneezing Tube rat in 2020, and the shocked Orange Order rat of 2023, whose tail has just been painfully snapped by the hammer of the trap. A somewhat similar arrow‑like shape of the eye has also been repeatedly used to express anger, determination or concentration in Ban ksy's many iterations of the Flower Thrower image: Separately, it is worth emphasising that the fake Ban ksy rats we've thus far seen, on random walls and street furniture around the world, have almost entirely been wholesale copies of images previously created by the artist. And almost always in a basic, one‑layer stencil, monochrome format. 2. Use of the Union Jack bowler hatNothing odd here. That hat isn't random. It is for the benefit of the image, serving to further emphasise the rat's unionist and anti‑separatist credentials. __________ Leaving aside artistic concept and political intent, and focusing purely on the visual evidence, what we probably agree on is that the creator of the Orange Order rat was a skilled stencillist. That said, plenty of people can cut tight stencils, even amateurs. There aren't too many, however, who are so adept at controlling spraycans, especially when the image being sprayed is in small format. I would submit that the spraying techniques used for the Orange Order rat were those of a professional — somebody with years of experience in the field. But just for argument's sake, let's assume this rat may be a pastiche created by another graffiti writer, one who is gifted at stencilling as well. In your view, what are the chances that the Ban ksy copycat would also: (a) first, actually think about; and then (b) bother to make the additional effort of adding, Banksy‑style final touch‑ups to the piece? These being the kind of finishes and flourishes that probably go unnoticed by the vast majority of viewers. Two examples1. The freehand sponge or brushwork application of the same peachy flesh tone used in February for Valentine's Day Mascara in Margate: 2. The freehand splatter‑spray of red paint around the letters 'S' and 'A' of the word "SAVE":
There's a lot of details that suggests it's Ban ksy, but I'm not 100% convinced. My main objection being there are too many elements. But from the top of my mind here are two pics that are pro the Ban ksy alternative: The similarities with this rat (eye, hind legs etc.): The Balfour party helmets. Reference: — Many thanks for your thoughts and general efforts here. Courtesy note for the non‑nerds on this message boardTo avoid having your patience tested, my recommendation would be to scroll past this post. __________ If a street piece has a multitude of elements pointing to Ban ksy, these are indicators that the piece was indeed created by Ban ksy, rather than by someone else. Unless of course some of those elements are suspicious, because they suggest aping by a third party and they belie what the artist would actually do. In what you've highlighted, I see nothing glaring: 1. Similarities with a London Underground lockdown ratResemblances are present, but for me they aren't red flags. We could just as easily view them as Ban ksy showing consistency with one of his many different styles of rat imagery. Focusing on the eye in particular, the arrow‑like shape is a simple way of depicting a closed‑eye grimace. It was an appropriate go‑to, cartoonish expression to fall back on — for both the sneezing Tube rat in 2020, and the shocked Orange Order rat of 2023, whose tail has just been painfully snapped by the hammer of the trap. A somewhat similar arrow‑like shape of the eye has also been repeatedly used to express anger, determination or concentration in Ban ksy's many iterations of the Flower Thrower image: Separately, it is worth emphasising that the fake Ban ksy rats we've thus far seen, on random walls and street furniture around the world, have almost entirely been wholesale copies of images previously created by the artist. And almost always in a basic, one‑layer stencil, monochrome format. 2. Use of the Union Jack bowler hatNothing odd here. That hat isn't random. It is for the benefit of the image, serving to further emphasise the rat's unionist and anti‑separatist credentials. __________ Leaving aside artistic concept and political intent, and focusing purely on the visual evidence, what we probably agree on is that the creator of the Orange Order rat was a skilled stencillist. That said, plenty of people can cut tight stencils, even amateurs. There aren't too many, however, who are so adept at controlling spraycans, especially when the image being sprayed is in small format. I would submit that the spraying techniques used for the Orange Order rat were those of a professional — somebody with years of experience in the field. But just for argument's sake, let's assume this rat may be a pastiche created by another graffiti writer, one who is gifted at stencilling as well. In your view, what are the chances that the Ban ksy copycat would also: (a) first, actually think about; and then (b) bother to make the additional effort of adding, Banksy‑style final touch‑ups to the piece? These being the kind of finishes and flourishes that probably go unnoticed by the vast majority of viewers. Two examples1. The freehand sponge or brushwork application of the same peachy flesh tone used in February for Valentine's Day Mascara in Margate: 2. The freehand splatter‑spray of red paint around the letters 'S' and 'A' of the word "SAVE": An argument against it being Banksy is that it’s not very logical. What has triggered the trap to catch the rats tail from behind? Is the rat going backwards? |
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by Crime in the City on Jun 24, 2023 1:20:42 GMT 1, hnkpnk — Many thanks for your thoughts and general efforts here. Courtesy note for the non‑nerds on this message boardTo avoid having your patience tested, my recommendation would be to scroll past this post. __________ If a street piece has a multitude of elements pointing to Ban ksy, these are indicators that the piece was indeed created by Ban ksy, rather than by someone else. Unless of course some of those elements are suspicious, because they suggest aping by a third party and they belie what the artist would actually do. In what you've highlighted, I see nothing glaring: 1. Similarities with a London Underground lockdown ratResemblances are present, but for me they aren't red flags. We could just as easily view them as Ban ksy showing consistency with one of his many different styles of rat imagery. Focusing on the eye in particular, the arrow‑like shape is a simple way of depicting a closed‑eye grimace. It was an appropriate go‑to, cartoonish expression to fall back on — for both the sneezing Tube rat in 2020, and the shocked Orange Order rat of 2023, whose tail has just been painfully snapped by the hammer of the trap. A somewhat similar arrow‑like shape of the eye has also been repeatedly used to express anger, determination or concentration in Ban ksy's many iterations of the Flower Thrower image: Separately, it is worth emphasising that the fake Ban ksy rats we've thus far seen, on random walls and street furniture around the world, have almost entirely been wholesale copies of images previously created by the artist. And almost always in a basic, one‑layer stencil, monochrome format. 2. Use of the Union Jack bowler hatNothing odd here. That hat isn't random. It is for the benefit of the image, serving to further emphasise the rat's unionist and anti‑separatist credentials. __________ Leaving aside artistic concept and political intent, and focusing purely on the visual evidence, what we probably agree on is that the creator of the Orange Order rat was a skilled stencillist. That said, plenty of people can cut tight stencils, even amateurs. There aren't too many, however, who are so adept at controlling spraycans, especially when the image being sprayed is in small format. I would submit that the spraying techniques used for the Orange Order rat were those of a professional — somebody with years of experience in the field. But just for argument's sake, let's assume this rat may be a pastiche created by another graffiti writer, one who is gifted at stencilling as well. In your view, what are the chances that the Ban ksy copycat would also: (a) first, actually think about; and then (b) bother to make the additional effort of adding, Banksy‑style final touch‑ups to the piece? These being the kind of finishes and flourishes that probably go unnoticed by the vast majority of viewers. Two examples1. The freehand sponge or brushwork application of the same peachy flesh tone used in February for Valentine's Day Mascara in Margate: 2. The freehand splatter‑spray of red paint around the letters 'S' and 'A' of the word "SAVE": An argument against it being Banksy is that it’s not very logical. What has triggered the trap to catch the rats tail from behind? Is the rat going backwards?
hnkpnk — Many thanks for your thoughts and general efforts here. Courtesy note for the non‑nerds on this message boardTo avoid having your patience tested, my recommendation would be to scroll past this post. __________ If a street piece has a multitude of elements pointing to Ban ksy, these are indicators that the piece was indeed created by Ban ksy, rather than by someone else. Unless of course some of those elements are suspicious, because they suggest aping by a third party and they belie what the artist would actually do. In what you've highlighted, I see nothing glaring: 1. Similarities with a London Underground lockdown ratResemblances are present, but for me they aren't red flags. We could just as easily view them as Ban ksy showing consistency with one of his many different styles of rat imagery. Focusing on the eye in particular, the arrow‑like shape is a simple way of depicting a closed‑eye grimace. It was an appropriate go‑to, cartoonish expression to fall back on — for both the sneezing Tube rat in 2020, and the shocked Orange Order rat of 2023, whose tail has just been painfully snapped by the hammer of the trap. A somewhat similar arrow‑like shape of the eye has also been repeatedly used to express anger, determination or concentration in Ban ksy's many iterations of the Flower Thrower image: Separately, it is worth emphasising that the fake Ban ksy rats we've thus far seen, on random walls and street furniture around the world, have almost entirely been wholesale copies of images previously created by the artist. And almost always in a basic, one‑layer stencil, monochrome format. 2. Use of the Union Jack bowler hatNothing odd here. That hat isn't random. It is for the benefit of the image, serving to further emphasise the rat's unionist and anti‑separatist credentials. __________ Leaving aside artistic concept and political intent, and focusing purely on the visual evidence, what we probably agree on is that the creator of the Orange Order rat was a skilled stencillist. That said, plenty of people can cut tight stencils, even amateurs. There aren't too many, however, who are so adept at controlling spraycans, especially when the image being sprayed is in small format. I would submit that the spraying techniques used for the Orange Order rat were those of a professional — somebody with years of experience in the field. But just for argument's sake, let's assume this rat may be a pastiche created by another graffiti writer, one who is gifted at stencilling as well. In your view, what are the chances that the Ban ksy copycat would also: (a) first, actually think about; and then (b) bother to make the additional effort of adding, Banksy‑style final touch‑ups to the piece? These being the kind of finishes and flourishes that probably go unnoticed by the vast majority of viewers. Two examples1. The freehand sponge or brushwork application of the same peachy flesh tone used in February for Valentine's Day Mascara in Margate: 2. The freehand splatter‑spray of red paint around the letters 'S' and 'A' of the word "SAVE": An argument against it being Banksy is that it’s not very logical. What has triggered the trap to catch the rats tail from behind? Is the rat going backwards? Totally agree... I find it confusing that so many people are debating this, it doesn't look or 'feel' like Banksy's work in any way to me. I'm definitely no expert, but this work is confusing, cluttered and lacks any of the 'charisma' his (better) works occasionally have.. |
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by met on Jun 24, 2023 1:28:28 GMT 1, hnkpnk — Many thanks for your thoughts and general efforts here. Courtesy note for the non‑nerds on this message boardTo avoid having your patience tested, my recommendation would be to scroll past this post. __________ If a street piece has a multitude of elements pointing to Ban ksy, these are indicators that the piece was indeed created by Ban ksy, rather than by someone else. Unless of course some of those elements are suspicious, because they suggest aping by a third party and they belie what the artist would actually do. In what you've highlighted, I see nothing glaring: 1. Similarities with a London Underground lockdown ratResemblances are present, but for me they aren't red flags. We could just as easily view them as Ban ksy showing consistency with one of his many different styles of rat imagery. Focusing on the eye in particular, the arrow‑like shape is a simple way of depicting a closed‑eye grimace. It was an appropriate go‑to, cartoonish expression to fall back on — for both the sneezing Tube rat in 2020, and the shocked Orange Order rat of 2023, whose tail has just been painfully snapped by the hammer of the trap. A somewhat similar arrow‑like shape of the eye has also been repeatedly used to express anger, determination or concentration in Ban ksy's many iterations of the Flower Thrower image: Separately, it is worth emphasising that the fake Ban ksy rats we've thus far seen, on random walls and street furniture around the world, have almost entirely been wholesale copies of images previously created by the artist. And almost always in a basic, one‑layer stencil, monochrome format. 2. Use of the Union Jack bowler hatNothing odd here. That hat isn't random. It is for the benefit of the image, serving to further emphasise the rat's unionist and anti‑separatist credentials. __________ Leaving aside artistic concept and political intent, and focusing purely on the visual evidence, what we probably agree on is that the creator of the Orange Order rat was a skilled stencillist. That said, plenty of people can cut tight stencils, even amateurs. There aren't too many, however, who are so adept at controlling spraycans, especially when the image being sprayed is in small format. I would submit that the spraying techniques used for the Orange Order rat were those of a professional — somebody with years of experience in the field. But just for argument's sake, let's assume this rat may be a pastiche created by another graffiti writer, one who is gifted at stencilling as well. In your view, what are the chances that the Ban ksy copycat would also: (a) first, actually think about; and then (b) bother to make the additional effort of adding, Banksy‑style final touch‑ups to the piece? These being the kind of finishes and flourishes that probably go unnoticed by the vast majority of viewers. Two examples1. The freehand sponge or brushwork application of the same peachy flesh tone used in February for Valentine's Day Mascara in Margate: 2. The freehand splatter‑spray of red paint around the letters 'S' and 'A' of the word "SAVE": An argument against it being Ban ksy is that it’s not very logical. What has triggered the trap to catch the rats tail from behind? Is the rat going backwards?
I fully agree the piece is unsatisfying, and wanting in terms of conceptual coherence.
Perhaps this is one reason why authorship wasn't yet claimed.
My additional counter is that, when viewed as a whole, Banksy's body of work has not been without its moments of clumsiness.
hnkpnk — Many thanks for your thoughts and general efforts here. Courtesy note for the non‑nerds on this message boardTo avoid having your patience tested, my recommendation would be to scroll past this post. __________ If a street piece has a multitude of elements pointing to Ban ksy, these are indicators that the piece was indeed created by Ban ksy, rather than by someone else. Unless of course some of those elements are suspicious, because they suggest aping by a third party and they belie what the artist would actually do. In what you've highlighted, I see nothing glaring: 1. Similarities with a London Underground lockdown ratResemblances are present, but for me they aren't red flags. We could just as easily view them as Ban ksy showing consistency with one of his many different styles of rat imagery. Focusing on the eye in particular, the arrow‑like shape is a simple way of depicting a closed‑eye grimace. It was an appropriate go‑to, cartoonish expression to fall back on — for both the sneezing Tube rat in 2020, and the shocked Orange Order rat of 2023, whose tail has just been painfully snapped by the hammer of the trap. A somewhat similar arrow‑like shape of the eye has also been repeatedly used to express anger, determination or concentration in Ban ksy's many iterations of the Flower Thrower image: Separately, it is worth emphasising that the fake Ban ksy rats we've thus far seen, on random walls and street furniture around the world, have almost entirely been wholesale copies of images previously created by the artist. And almost always in a basic, one‑layer stencil, monochrome format. 2. Use of the Union Jack bowler hatNothing odd here. That hat isn't random. It is for the benefit of the image, serving to further emphasise the rat's unionist and anti‑separatist credentials. __________ Leaving aside artistic concept and political intent, and focusing purely on the visual evidence, what we probably agree on is that the creator of the Orange Order rat was a skilled stencillist. That said, plenty of people can cut tight stencils, even amateurs. There aren't too many, however, who are so adept at controlling spraycans, especially when the image being sprayed is in small format. I would submit that the spraying techniques used for the Orange Order rat were those of a professional — somebody with years of experience in the field. But just for argument's sake, let's assume this rat may be a pastiche created by another graffiti writer, one who is gifted at stencilling as well. In your view, what are the chances that the Ban ksy copycat would also: (a) first, actually think about; and then (b) bother to make the additional effort of adding, Banksy‑style final touch‑ups to the piece? These being the kind of finishes and flourishes that probably go unnoticed by the vast majority of viewers. Two examples1. The freehand sponge or brushwork application of the same peachy flesh tone used in February for Valentine's Day Mascara in Margate: 2. The freehand splatter‑spray of red paint around the letters 'S' and 'A' of the word "SAVE": An argument against it being Ban ksy is that it’s not very logical. What has triggered the trap to catch the rats tail from behind? Is the rat going backwards? I fully agree the piece is unsatisfying, and wanting in terms of conceptual coherence. Perhaps this is one reason why authorship wasn't yet claimed. My additional counter is that, when viewed as a whole, Ban ksy's body of work has not been without its moments of clumsiness. |
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by mojo on Jun 24, 2023 1:44:38 GMT 1, An argument against it being Ban ksy is that it’s not very logical. What has triggered the trap to catch the rats tail from behind? Is the rat going backwards? I fully agree the piece is unsatisfying, and wanting in terms of conceptual coherence. Perhaps this is one reason why authorship wasn't yet claimed. My additional counter is that, when viewed as a whole, Ban ksy's body of work has not been without its moments of clumsiness.
An argument against it being Ban ksy is that it’s not very logical. What has triggered the trap to catch the rats tail from behind? Is the rat going backwards? I fully agree the piece is unsatisfying, and wanting in terms of conceptual coherence. Perhaps this is one reason why authorship wasn't yet claimed. My additional counter is that, when viewed as a whole, Ban ksy's body of work has not been without its moments of clumsiness. The thing that makes me think it could be a Banksy is the same thing that makes me think it isn't?...The Orange Order sash...maybe we'll find out on the 12th? (but it's gone now so maybe we won't?) |
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by Jules Leotard on Jun 24, 2023 1:45:28 GMT 1, What I don't like is when I come up with an idea that Banksy should have. Why, in the name of all that is good and acceptable, isn't there a final stencil as you exit, where you can buy a can of spray and a slice of nice paper, and spray yourself a Banksy using a stencil he created. A new one that has never been seen, an old classic, I don't care, whatever. He missed a fantastic opportunity to connect with everyone. Oh, well... He did this at The Walled Off Hotel - next to it was Wall Mart where you could use a stencil of his or cut your own and they helped you - use any paint you want and pray it onto a legit wall illegally at your own risk - the experience couldn’t have been any more real. He nailed it as per.
What I don't like is when I come up with an idea that Banksy should have. Why, in the name of all that is good and acceptable, isn't there a final stencil as you exit, where you can buy a can of spray and a slice of nice paper, and spray yourself a Banksy using a stencil he created. A new one that has never been seen, an old classic, I don't care, whatever. He missed a fantastic opportunity to connect with everyone. Oh, well... He did this at The Walled Off Hotel - next to it was Wall Mart where you could use a stencil of his or cut your own and they helped you - use any paint you want and pray it onto a legit wall illegally at your own risk - the experience couldn’t have been any more real. He nailed it as per. Nobody tells me nothin'...can one still do this at WoH/ WalMart? Thank you for sharing! |
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by Jules Leotard on Jun 24, 2023 1:49:27 GMT 1, I fully agree the piece is unsatisfying, and wanting in terms of conceptual coherence. Perhaps this is one reason why authorship wasn't yet claimed. My additional counter is that, when viewed as a whole, Ban ksy's body of work has not been without its moments of clumsiness. The thing that makes me think it could be a Banksy is the same thing that makes me think it isn't?...The Orange Order sash...maybe we'll find out on the 12th? (but it's gone now so maybe we won't?) Its absolutely not Banksy (unless of course, it is Banksy). It has a lot of excellent elements, but the synthesis of concepts isn't in the manner of Banksy.
My guess from the list of usual suspects would be James Staffron. The bloke who did the Poundland - Slave Labour homage. To my untrained, yet astute, yet ignorant eyes there is something about them that "matches."
I fully agree the piece is unsatisfying, and wanting in terms of conceptual coherence. Perhaps this is one reason why authorship wasn't yet claimed. My additional counter is that, when viewed as a whole, Ban ksy's body of work has not been without its moments of clumsiness. The thing that makes me think it could be a Banksy is the same thing that makes me think it isn't?...The Orange Order sash...maybe we'll find out on the 12th? (but it's gone now so maybe we won't?) Its absolutely not Banksy (unless of course, it is Banksy). It has a lot of excellent elements, but the synthesis of concepts isn't in the manner of Banksy.
My guess from the list of usual suspects would be James Staffron. The bloke who did the Poundland - Slave Labour homage. To my untrained, yet astute, yet ignorant eyes there is something about them that "matches."
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by mojo on Jun 24, 2023 1:51:08 GMT 1, The thing that makes me think it could be a Banksy is the same thing that makes me think it isn't?...The Orange Order sash...maybe we'll find out on the 12th? (but it's gone now so maybe we won't?) Its absolutely not Banksy (unless of course, it is Banksy). It has a lot of excellent elements, but the synthesis of concepts isn't in the manner of Banksy.
My guess from the list of usual suspects would be James Staffron. The bloke who did the Poundland - Slave Labour homage. To my untrained, yet astute, yet ignorant eyes there is something about them that "matches."
The thing that makes me think it could be a Banksy is the same thing that makes me think it isn't?...The Orange Order sash...maybe we'll find out on the 12th? (but it's gone now so maybe we won't?) Its absolutely not Banksy (unless of course, it is Banksy). It has a lot of excellent elements, but the synthesis of concepts isn't in the manner of Banksy.
My guess from the list of usual suspects would be James Staffron. The bloke who did the Poundland - Slave Labour homage. To my untrained, yet astute, yet ignorant eyes there is something about them that "matches."
Yes! I'm definitley getting sewing machine plinth vibes too. |
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by Jules Leotard on Jun 24, 2023 1:55:55 GMT 1, use you're imagination lol Teenage Banksy did If that is the best he had to ‘work with’, Banksy either had a very deprived upbringing or an unbelievably good imagination.
use you're imagination lol Teenage Banksy did If that is the best he had to ‘work with’, Banksy either had a very deprived upbringing or an unbelievably good imagination. My understanding was he was a decent and upstanding bloke until the world got its claws into him. Someday (back then) he was going to feed his lady, ever so gently... |
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by met on Jun 24, 2023 2:08:45 GMT 1,
They certainly could be in the know.
But even if this were the case, I'd be wary of assuming that PR people always tell the truth.
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Another point worth emphasising is that, within the same camp, i.e. among those who are on the same side, there will of course be people with different objectives and concerns.
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1. If you were the actual artist in your camp, you might be tempted to use your work as a platform to express ideas and thoughts, including political views, in a rather challenging and forthright manner.
Indeed, you might think, "Hey, wouldn't it be fun to shake things up around here? To keep things interesting. Just to see what happens."
2. Now imagine that you're not the artist in your camp, but one of the exhibition's publicists instead. In other words, you're on the front line. You're the one who has to deal with the press, gallery officials, local authorities, etc.
Bear in mind too that your actual job, your entire raison d'être, is to promote the show. And to ensure it gets good publicity coverage, that it's viewed in the most favourable light by as many people as possible, and that it turns into a huge success.
Given such a mandate and heavy responsibility resting on your shoulders, you could hardly be blamed for thinking to yourself:
"Err... Was this Orange Order rat piece actually a good idea, on balance and all things considered? Was it really in the best interest of the show for the artist to be seen to be throwing petrol on the fire — stoking existing tensions between the different communities of the city that is currently welcoming us with open arms?"
If I myself were one of the exhibition's publicists, I'd view that street piece as an unhelpfully toxic, sectarian distraction — one that risked undermining the higher objective of simply elevating the show.
And so, if asked about it by some journalist, I would be tempted to offer them "alternative facts". At least temporarily, and perhaps for the full duration of Cut & Run at the Gallery of Modern Art.
This, in an effort to keep things pleasant and friction‑free with our very helpful and charming hosts — the gallery, the city of Glasgow, the population of Glasgow, and perhaps the entire country of Scotland itself.
[The above is speculative in nature, but not entirely without precedent. There have been a handful of instances where street pieces by Banksy have, for a variety of reasons, gone down rather poorly with locals.
They arguably include the 2007 donkey getting its identity papers checked by a soldier in Bethlehem; the 2008 hanging Klansman in Birmingham, Alabama; and the 2021 flying inflatable dinghy at Gorleston‑on‑Sea in Norfolk, England.
Sensitive cases like these sometimes warranted appeasement or distancing measures by the artist or his team, such as the removal of relevant photos from his website.]
They certainly could be in the know. But even if this were the case, I'd be wary of assuming that PR people always tell the truth. __________ Another point worth emphasising is that, within the same camp, i.e. among those who are on the same side, there will of course be people with different objectives and concerns. An illustration1. If you were the actual artist in your camp, you might be tempted to use your work as a platform to express ideas and thoughts, including political views, in a rather challenging and forthright manner. Indeed, you might think, "Hey, wouldn't it be fun to shake things up around here? To keep things interesting. Just to see what happens."2. Now imagine that you're not the artist in your camp, but one of the exhibition's publicists instead. In other words, you're on the front line. You're the one who has to deal with the press, gallery officials, local authorities, etc. Bear in mind too that your actual job, your entire raison d'être, is to promote the show. And to ensure it gets good publicity coverage, that it's viewed in the most favourable light by as many people as possible, and that it turns into a huge success. Given such a mandate and heavy responsibility resting on your shoulders, you could hardly be blamed for thinking to yourself: "Err... Was this Orange Order rat piece actually a good idea, on balance and all things considered? Was it really in the best interest of the show for the artist to be seen to be throwing petrol on the fire — stoking existing tensions between the different communities of the city that is currently welcoming us with open arms?"If I myself were one of the exhibition's publicists, I'd view that street piece as an unhelpfully toxic, sectarian distraction — one that risked undermining the higher objective of simply elevating the show. And so, if asked about it by some journalist, I would be tempted to offer them "alternative facts". At least temporarily, and perhaps for the full duration of Cut & Run at the Gallery of Modern Art. This, in an effort to keep things pleasant and friction‑free with our very helpful and charming hosts — the gallery, the city of Glas gow, the population of Glas gow, and perhaps the entire country of Scotland itself. [The above is speculative in nature, but not entirely without precedent. There have been a handful of instances where street pieces by Banksy have, for a variety of reasons, gone down rather poorly with locals.
They arguably include the 2007 donkey getting its identity papers checked by a soldier in Bethlehem; the 2008 hanging Klansman in Birmingham, Alabama; and the 2021 flying inflatable dinghy at Gorleston‑on‑Sea in Norfolk, England.
Sensitive cases like these sometimes warranted appeasement or distancing measures by the artist or his team, such as the removal of relevant photos from his website.] |
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by met on Jun 24, 2023 4:08:19 GMT 1, The quality of the stencil is high, and use of sponge and colours are all pretty consistent with techniques used in previous Banksy work. But these effects can also be imitated. The misregistration of the stencils is fairly striking especially around the hat. It would be pretty difficult to avoid that with so much detail. But I'm not sure you see this so much elsewhere in his work.
Below are two stencil misregistrations on 2018 rats in Paris, when Banksy visited the city to commemorate the 50th anniversary of May 1968.
Given both the small scale of rat street pieces and the need for speedy execution, occasional misregistrations will be inevitable. For stencil‑based street artists who regularly produce unsanctioned works, it becomes a numbers game.
However, the premise of your comment might actually be flawed.
What it seems like it may assume is that, if offered the choice between creating:
(a) a perfectly‑executed, multi‑layered stencil street piece; and
(b) a stencil street piece with misregistrations,
Banksy would automatically choose option (a).
Apologies if I've misunderstood your post here and made a false inference.
My general point would be that Banksy has always appeared to shun the sterility of graphic‑design‑style "perfection" with his stencilling, in favour of a rougher, more distressed aesthetic.
The artist consciously adds occasional drips, splatters and other "mistakes" to his street pieces.
Likewise, he often incorporates an overspray or underspray effect to many of his commercial works, including prints — the Love Is In the Air screenprint being but one of many examples:
The quality of the stencil is high, and use of sponge and colours are all pretty consistent with techniques used in previous Banksy work. But these effects can also be imitated. The misregistration of the stencils is fairly striking especially around the hat. It would be pretty difficult to avoid that with so much detail. But I'm not sure you see this so much elsewhere in his work.Below are two stencil misregistrations on 2018 rats in Pa ris, when Ban ksy visited the city to commemorate the 50th anniversary of May 1968. Given both the small scale of rat street pieces and the need for speedy execution, occasional misregistrations will be inevitable. For stencil‑based street artists who regularly produce unsanctioned works, it becomes a numbers game. However, the premise of your comment might actually be flawed. What it seems like it may assume is that, if offered the choice between creating: (a) a perfectly‑executed, multi‑layered stencil street piece; and (b) a stencil street piece with misregistrations, Ban ksy would automatically choose option (a). Apologies if I've misunderstood your post here and made a false inference. My general point would be that Ban ksy has always appeared to shun the sterility of graphic‑design‑style "perfection" with his stencilling, in favour of a rougher, more distressed aesthetic. The artist consciously adds occasional drips, splatters and other "mistakes" to his street pieces. Likewise, he often incorporates an overspray or underspray effect to many of his commercial works, including prints — the Love Is In the Air screenprint being but one of many examples: |
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by Daniel Silk on Jun 24, 2023 4:39:02 GMT 1,
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by Jules Leotard on Jun 24, 2023 7:19:37 GMT 1, Hi, total hypothetical here...if one is married and their spouse doesn't much care for Banksy whilst the other is a rabid Banksy fan, if the latter spouse says they are going on a "quick trip to visit a friend" whilst buying a Friday to Sunday plane ticket to go see Cut & Run, are we in divorce territory or is it just a party foul? If not hypothetical, asking for a friend...
Hi, total hypothetical here...if one is married and their spouse doesn't much care for Banksy whilst the other is a rabid Banksy fan, if the latter spouse says they are going on a "quick trip to visit a friend" whilst buying a Friday to Sunday plane ticket to go see Cut & Run, are we in divorce territory or is it just a party foul? If not hypothetical, asking for a friend...
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by Daniel Silk on Jun 24, 2023 7:27:47 GMT 1, People clearly are taking photos inside the exhibition so trying to stop those who are less sneaky is just stupid. I hate going anywhere that has a huge list of rules and restrictions, I can't understand Banksy's thinking behind the no photos rule as everyone knows that in the modern world publicity comes from the public taking and sharing photos.
People clearly are taking photos inside the exhibition so trying to stop those who are less sneaky is just stupid. I hate going anywhere that has a huge list of rules and restrictions, I can't understand Banksy's thinking behind the no photos rule as everyone knows that in the modern world publicity comes from the public taking and sharing photos.
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by Jules Leotard on Jun 24, 2023 7:33:08 GMT 1, Making us worry about you laddie. Nice to see you up and about!
Making us worry about you laddie. Nice to see you up and about!
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by lukas01 on Jun 24, 2023 7:34:37 GMT 1,
Happy to see you around. 😎👍
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by Monsieur2T on Jun 24, 2023 7:38:38 GMT 1, People clearly are taking photos inside the exhibition so trying to stop those who are less sneaky is just stupid. I hate going anywhere that has a huge list of rules and restrictions, I can't understand Banksy's thinking behind the no photos rule as everyone knows that in the modern world publicity comes from the public taking and sharing photos.
I believe that a no photo policy at any art exhibition is a great idea. It encourages people to appreciate the art and be present in the moment, instead of worrying about getting the perfect shot for Instagram and potentially blocking other people from enjoying the show.
It's important to remember that an exhibition is not just about taking photos, but rather about experiencing the art and getting lost in the artist's vision. By not allowing photography, you can fully appreciate the art without any distractions.
Cheers!
People clearly are taking photos inside the exhibition so trying to stop those who are less sneaky is just stupid. I hate going anywhere that has a huge list of rules and restrictions, I can't understand Banksy's thinking behind the no photos rule as everyone knows that in the modern world publicity comes from the public taking and sharing photos. I believe that a no photo policy at any art exhibition is a great idea. It encourages people to appreciate the art and be present in the moment, instead of worrying about getting the perfect shot for Instagram and potentially blocking other people from enjoying the show. It's important to remember that an exhibition is not just about taking photos, but rather about experiencing the art and getting lost in the artist's vision. By not allowing photography, you can fully appreciate the art without any distractions. Cheers! |
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by Acme Thunderer on Jun 24, 2023 8:23:01 GMT 1, I had a look at some of the eBay listings for items from the exhibition and I was amazed by the number of people selling Polaroids of themselves with their listings.
I’ve got no issues with people selling items from the exhibition (plus receipts/tickets), but why would anyone really want a Polaroid of someone else? These items don’t need photographic provenance of the tw@t who couldn’t wait to sell on eBay.
If anyone reading this thinks about selling their Polaroid, then do the world a favour and keep it as a memory instead. 😉
I had a look at some of the eBay listings for items from the exhibition and I was amazed by the number of people selling Polaroids of themselves with their listings.
I’ve got no issues with people selling items from the exhibition (plus receipts/tickets), but why would anyone really want a Polaroid of someone else? These items don’t need photographic provenance of the tw@t who couldn’t wait to sell on eBay.
If anyone reading this thinks about selling their Polaroid, then do the world a favour and keep it as a memory instead. 😉
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by mcgill14 on Jun 24, 2023 8:33:51 GMT 1, Hi, total hypothetical here...if one is married and their spouse doesn't much care for Banksy whilst the other is a rabid Banksy fan, if the latter spouse says they are going on a "quick trip to visit a friend" whilst buying a Friday to Sunday plane ticket to go see Cut & Run, are we in divorce territory or is it just a party foul? If not hypothetical, asking for a friend...
Hi, total hypothetical here...if one is married and their spouse doesn't much care for Banksy whilst the other is a rabid Banksy fan, if the latter spouse says they are going on a "quick trip to visit a friend" whilst buying a Friday to Sunday plane ticket to go see Cut & Run, are we in divorce territory or is it just a party foul? If not hypothetical, asking for a friend... Love it. My other half is not an art fan but she knows who Banksy is. I told her she was going to the final session of the exhibition as it was a must see. She gets an overnight stay in Glasgow so she's happy. Just take your non art loving spouse, the only way to convert them is to let them experience it....🙂🙂 Alternately Glasgow has amazing shopping.....🤣🤣 |
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by ronanmc on Jun 24, 2023 8:36:39 GMT 1, People clearly are taking photos inside the exhibition so trying to stop those who are less sneaky is just stupid. I hate going anywhere that has a huge list of rules and restrictions, I can't understand Banksy's thinking behind the no photos rule as everyone knows that in the modern world publicity comes from the public taking and sharing photos.
Daniel Silk - I'd agree. Having been in there, the photos are the equivalent of buying the book. Sure, you can see what's in there. In truth, you have to see it with your own eyes to appreciate the intricacy of the stencils, how they've been 'preserved' with backing to be put on display at this show, etc, etc.
Any photos are just a tease. It's a fantastic exhibition - get over to it if you guys can. Photos won't be worth sh1t!
Caveat would be this - There are a couple of places that are bottlenecks if the show is relatively busy. If people were allowed take photos, it would become a nightmare in terms of traffic. Plus in terms of getting time to examine the exhibits. Selfies, etc. etc
People clearly are taking photos inside the exhibition so trying to stop those who are less sneaky is just stupid. I hate going anywhere that has a huge list of rules and restrictions, I can't understand Banksy's thinking behind the no photos rule as everyone knows that in the modern world publicity comes from the public taking and sharing photos. - I'd agree. Having been in there, the photos are the equivalent of buying the book. Sure, you can see what's in there. In truth, you have to see it with your own eyes to appreciate the intricacy of the stencils, how they've been 'preserved' with backing to be put on display at this show, etc, etc. Any photos are just a tease. It's a fantastic exhibition - get over to it if you guys can. Photos won't be worth sh1t! Caveat would be this - There are a couple of places that are bottlenecks if the show is relatively busy. If people were allowed take photos, it would become a nightmare in terms of traffic. Plus in terms of getting time to examine the exhibits. Selfies, etc. etc |
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