please find me one for £500, I'll buy it off you. 

thanks 

The only thing weird is you,  Don't you have anything better in your life than stalking him daily ??

It has become common place on here for people to verbally attack one another and make up accusations that are very often not based in fact.  It has been that way since the art many of us collect started to have high values.  Like all forums the people, topics and demeanors of its members change through the years.  I have been on this forum for 17 years now and I often question what am I still doing here.  Maybe the original members are getting too old and our purpose for conversing with complete strangers all across the world has lost its allure.  There is a reason that many forum members in the know started other forums and whattsapp chat groups. Yes they exists and yes you were not invited to join them (and either was I).  Once we told Banksy's assistant that he knew nothing about Banksy and then chased off world famous artists and then allowed people to put items for sale with no asking price and encourage "The Who Offered Me The Most Via DM Sales Strategy" - the wheels began to fall off.  I have virtually known Silky for almost 20 years now and he has run a great website all these years - but if you read the threads from 2006 - 2010 and read the threads from 2019 - 2023 it is a completely different site and not for the better.     

Well said. 

The early years for me, 2012 were awesome, learned loads, bought loads, gave away loads (as we all did eh!), met lots of good people. We all used to look out for each other, help each other (fundraisers even! (albeit, this did hold out as still real for me n George tons more thanks all!!)). Most of us that did, would sure as shit give NOTHING away in a competition these days. why bother. 

This place really has become shite to be fair. Its toxic AF, but this could be changed. Its needs moderating with a sock full of pool balls, ban the arseholes, and let them open new accounts (they will anyway), but once they show out, ban again. It will end the enthusiasm for anyone who wants to keep their account, and would be a bit draining for those that dont care. All it needs is the attention and the total zero tolerance for a while. It COULD be turned right round, if someone wanted to.

I know silk is 100% best the hell out of this shit to get himself better, so that isnt a knock! But hand some actual power to a few people that arent muppets, and let it be done!

We already lost a hell of a lot of the oldschoolers who knew shit, rather than talk shit. But we arent sunk yet!! That other place and us are basically one, this side kept all the negativity though, needs purged. 

I like this print tbh,it was free, had a great night queueing with many members,many sh!t on Brainwash but were more than happy to cash up on it.
Sweet Sweet hypocrisy lol

I always planned to frame it side by side with the Banksy time out.
Hopefully I will one day..

Don't feel attacked. You're only being called out because you have google and you put in very little effort to get comparables. If you actually tried, then you would have known not to ask for £3000. But instead you asked to be corrected, and you were.
Namaste.

This isn’t where you live and your art collection?
Why do you photograph everything on your bed? I’m guessing you live alone, must be lonely I guess. 

attacked? 

simply stated I will buy one of them for £500. I think thats a great price. imho

maybe you could "actually try" and find me one for £500.

this whole thread is very weird. it went left when someone critiqued the artist not the price.


thanks 

What's going on in this thread? From what I gather, two members got intimate with each other in a Stik Shrine and are now having spats in every room of the UAA house? Weird stuff....

I stopped checking this site, and participating, at least 2 years ago. As have many long time members before me and since. I popped in recently to see what the chatter was, and threads like this, 41 pages of Banksy stamps and endless Noir solidify my choice. Keep it up!

I'll increase my offer to £750.

thanks 

You got the monstrosity bit right !

Thank you for this.



And apologies in advance. Because debate‑wise, the wall of text that follows may be a little dull, with so little appearing to separate our respective positions.


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There are some resellers who wish to use this forum as their personal selling platform, but without the bothersome eBay or auction‑house fees. And without the inconvenience of negative quips by other members.

We see this rather often. A misplaced entitlement by resellers is immediately exposed each time one of them refers to "my thread". Such wording almost suggests they believe a thread they initiated on a public message board should be treated by others as their private property. In other words, something they (in their own minds) feel they have the right to be territorial over.

And when that sense of entitlement is somehow threatened, a number of these resellers quickly pivot to shrill mode: defensive, passive‑aggressive, and/or hysterical.

For an adult, one who should normally possess an adult‑level of resilience, that sort of behaviour seems unbecoming.


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Thankfully, yet also unsurprisingly given your posting history, I sense no general desire by you to stifle discussion or commentary.



The appropriate location for comments may well be the sole point on which we diverge.

And actually, the scope of our disagreement is possibly even more limited:

Perhaps you aren't referring to all comments — but only those that could be perceived as criticisms, whether in substance or tone.



Please correct me if this speculation on my part is wrong.

I mention the point because I've never witnessed a reseller throw a hissy fit when the works they were offloading received any comments of praise. You know the type:


"Stunning print, mate. GLWTS"

"Awesome!!! This will be gone in a flash!!!"

"If I didn't already own one of these prints, I would bite your hand off at that price."

etc., etc.



Such remarks can quickly lead to the kind of thread‑post asymmetry that is loved by resellers who want it both ways. Their thoughts easily summarised:


"Commentary is most welcome in my sales thread, but please respect the fact that only positive comments are acceptable."


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Cheers again for your kind words on the contributions I try to make regarding dubious or deceptive posts.



There is though another broad area I frequently allocate my time to. Eschewing false modesty, this is where I believe I can occasionally also bring something fresh to table, and hopefully add value to the forum. Predictably, however, my posts on these matters are more contentious (whether or not due to vested interests that might be affected).

For me as a long‑term art enthusiast, the target audience here is especially fellow members who may be less informed, less experienced, less discerning, or simply less demanding.

Such posts are never intended to tell anybody what to think, but rather to encourage more thinking. In a clearheaded manner.

"Question everything" (including everything I write) would be the highly‑unoriginal advice I find myself repeating, either earnestly or through attempts at humour.



Obvious basic questions exist, that each of us must consider when weighing up a possible purchase.

But with newer, younger or overly‑enthusiastic collectors, I often sense they aren't actually asking themselves these questions, let alone answering them. It may be that they're sometimes under the undue influence of sales patter, hype, the fear of missing out, or a sense of false urgency.

And so, one of my duties (which others have every right to knock, should they so wish) is to encourage those collectors to step back, pause, and reflect a little further. With a more critical and discriminating mindset. To reduce their likelihood of making what they might later deem to be purchase mistakes.



I've cited them before*, but here is a handful of these questions:


(i)  Why exactly do I like this piece?

Or, if the reasons are different, Why do I want to own this piece?

(ii)  What are the artwork's strengths, and what are its weaknesses?

(iii)  Is the art / artist actually any good?

(iv)  Am I perhaps buying with my ears rather than my eyes, and therefore behaving like a lemming? To what extent is my desire to acquire this piece being influenced by what other people are buying, or appearing to buy?



To potential purchasers, I believe that direct or indirect reminders of these basic questions are opportune and most helpfully relevant when posted within actual sale threads. If only for balance.

In addition, such reminders arguably become pressing, if not urgent, for works with sale prices in the four+ figures.

And all the more so when, individual tastes and preferences aside*, and according instead to standards/criteria broadly accepted by the art world, those works can without unfairness be dismissed as objectively poor — for example, due to their patently derivative, trite, formulaic, incoherent or vacuous nature.


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While I don't expect to sway many members, especially resellers, as to the merits of my stance, I do hope the above will assist in showing that my occasional pisstaking is motivated neither by pettiness nor by malice.



Of course, some of the thinner‑skinned resellers among us will always take issue with a bit of cheerful ribbing.

But I suspect that is also offset by the casual offensiveness of their own actions — particularly when they cynically target naive or less‑informed members with bad art at exhorbitant prices. And then expect everyone else to shut up.

Thus, rather fortuitously, mutual grievances on the forum tend to balance each other out. What we end up with collectively is a harmonious‑dissonance.

And I myself am reasonably comfortable with that.

Thanks for taking the time to answer so thoroughly and constructively met 

I had indeed failed to consider the antithesis to my proposition, that if the comment had been positive I - like most -  would not have taken issue with it (and I feel rather foolish now that you have pointed it out)

My argument falls flat. It is obviously untenable to accept praise if criticism is not equally welcome. 

< insert gif of Homer Simpson retreating into the bushes >