artyfarty
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by artyfarty on Oct 31, 2008 17:25:19 GMT 1, "Two Girls Spend A Day In The Snow"
Original canvas from the BLK\MRKT show from 2007. It's a beauty and it was made into a print from the second set of prints released. Framed in a perspex box. There are photos of it on the framed section of this board - please see link below.
banksyforum.proboards82.com/index.cgi?board=peoplesgallery&action=display&thread=181&page=2
It's a very reluctant sale but with a family on the way something's gotta give.
I'm very happy to listen to serious offers.
Thanks
Andy
"Two Girls Spend A Day In The Snow" Original canvas from the BLK\MRKT show from 2007. It's a beauty and it was made into a print from the second set of prints released. Framed in a perspex box. There are photos of it on the framed section of this board - please see link below. banksyforum.proboards82.com/index.cgi?board=peoplesgallery&action=display&thread=181&page=2It's a very reluctant sale but with a family on the way something's gotta give. I'm very happy to listen to serious offers. Thanks Andy
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by craigf on Oct 31, 2008 18:03:03 GMT 1, Bollocks, I thought I'd spent enough money already and then a beauty like this come up
I'll send u a pm ;D
Bollocks, I thought I'd spent enough money already and then a beauty like this come up I'll send u a pm ;D
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by wiz on Oct 31, 2008 18:13:12 GMT 1, One man looks at a beautiful painting and realises he should have bought one a while back, then the man wonders what sort of price bracket this might fall into?.
One man looks at a beautiful painting and realises he should have bought one a while back, then the man wonders what sort of price bracket this might fall into?.
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by craigf on Oct 31, 2008 18:17:13 GMT 1, One man looks at a beautiful painting and realises he should have bought one a while back, then the man wonders what sort of price bracket this might fall into?.
I can guarantee you're not the only one thinking this!
One man looks at a beautiful painting and realises he should have bought one a while back, then the man wonders what sort of price bracket this might fall into?. I can guarantee you're not the only one thinking this!
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artyfarty
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by artyfarty on Oct 31, 2008 18:55:45 GMT 1, Wow, thanks to everybody for their PMs. I didn't quite expect such a response so quickly, so rather than e-mail everybody individually, I'll say that I'm looking for around 10k for the canvas and it measures 42 inches x 29 inches. I have been offered 7.5k for it today and I'm aware that the last one at Bonhams, I think, came in around 10k and it was a poorer piece in my opinion.
Thanks again for all of the interest.
Andy
Wow, thanks to everybody for their PMs. I didn't quite expect such a response so quickly, so rather than e-mail everybody individually, I'll say that I'm looking for around 10k for the canvas and it measures 42 inches x 29 inches. I have been offered 7.5k for it today and I'm aware that the last one at Bonhams, I think, came in around 10k and it was a poorer piece in my opinion.
Thanks again for all of the interest.
Andy
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gebeau31
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by gebeau31 on Oct 31, 2008 19:13:50 GMT 1, 10k pounds or USD? $10k sounds reasonable for a piece that was originally $6500 at the gallery, but 10k pounds sounds a bit excessive considering recent high profile auction sales. The Bonham's piece might not be quite as nice as yours, but it WAS 3x as large, so not sure that's a fair point of comparison...?
10k pounds or USD? $10k sounds reasonable for a piece that was originally $6500 at the gallery, but 10k pounds sounds a bit excessive considering recent high profile auction sales. The Bonham's piece might not be quite as nice as yours, but it WAS 3x as large, so not sure that's a fair point of comparison...?
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edcase
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by edcase on Oct 31, 2008 19:21:36 GMT 1, I think in years to come people will look back at canvases like this going for 10k and think it was a bargain!!!
Bump for a beautiful and beautifully framed artwork.
I think in years to come people will look back at canvases like this going for 10k and think it was a bargain!!!
Bump for a beautiful and beautifully framed artwork.
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by wiz on Oct 31, 2008 19:47:54 GMT 1, Is that 10k USD or GBP?. Man sits quietly on chair staring blankly at screen pondering on what could have been if he had said yes instead of no.
Is that 10k USD or GBP?. Man sits quietly on chair staring blankly at screen pondering on what could have been if he had said yes instead of no.
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 19:56:55 GMT 1, not to begrudge anyone for selling a piece, but i find i am instantly turned off when people who are selling their art, they think they can ask auction prices - its like people who sell their banksy prints, citing andipa prices, its not relative.
If you want auction money - then whack in to an auction - you might get close to the 10K it reached at Bonham, i doubt it, but you never know.
not to begrudge anyone for selling a piece, but i find i am instantly turned off when people who are selling their art, they think they can ask auction prices - its like people who sell their banksy prints, citing andipa prices, its not relative.
If you want auction money - then whack in to an auction - you might get close to the 10K it reached at Bonham, i doubt it, but you never know.
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 20:08:36 GMT 1, not to begrudge anyone for selling a piece, but i find i am instantly turned off when people who are selling their art, they think they can ask auction prices - its like people who sell their banksy prints, citing andipa prices, its not relative. If you want auction money - then whack in to an auction - you might get close to the 10K it reached at Bonham, i doubt it, but you never know. Kinsey/Des Forges were selling similar sized pieces for 5K (UK) last month so if he can make 10K then better the seller...
thats my point ยฃ5K at gallery - on here, you should see prices below gallery - so ยฃ4K is a realistic price
not to begrudge anyone for selling a piece, but i find i am instantly turned off when people who are selling their art, they think they can ask auction prices - its like people who sell their banksy prints, citing andipa prices, its not relative. If you want auction money - then whack in to an auction - you might get close to the 10K it reached at Bonham, i doubt it, but you never know. Kinsey/Des Forges were selling similar sized pieces for 5K (UK) last month so if he can make 10K then better the seller... thats my point ยฃ5K at gallery - on here, you should see prices below gallery - so ยฃ4K is a realistic price
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 31, 2008 20:13:40 GMT 1, Show sold out instantly so it would be above gallery as theres high demand... As for what this is worth I'll let you guys/gals debate
Show sold out instantly so it would be above gallery as theres high demand... As for what this is worth I'll let you guys/gals debate
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Heavyconsumer
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by Heavyconsumer on Oct 31, 2008 20:26:04 GMT 1, Kinsey/Des Forges were selling similar sized pieces for 5K (UK) last month so if he can make 10K then better the seller... thats my point ยฃ5K at gallery - on here, you should see prices below gallery - so ยฃ4K is a realistic price
With respect that's not a very sound argument Als. What about all the other art that sells out instantly from galleries? How much of it is available retrospectively for less (in this scene anyway). Think Banksy prints, or for that matter, anything Parla, Walker, Dface and many others (prints, originals, take your pick).
Kinsey/Des Forges were selling similar sized pieces for 5K (UK) last month so if he can make 10K then better the seller... thats my point ยฃ5K at gallery - on here, you should see prices below gallery - so ยฃ4K is a realistic price With respect that's not a very sound argument Als. What about all the other art that sells out instantly from galleries? How much of it is available retrospectively for less (in this scene anyway). Think Banksy prints, or for that matter, anything Parla, Walker, Dface and many others (prints, originals, take your pick).
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Heavyconsumer
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by Heavyconsumer on Oct 31, 2008 20:30:44 GMT 1, Very beautiful canvas by the way!
Very beautiful canvas by the way!
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solar77
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by solar77 on Oct 31, 2008 20:32:02 GMT 1, This is silly. I'd rather have the opportunity to purchase quality art on the boards than have to fight it out with the crowd at Bonhams. Why would you try to push sellers away from a place where you have a much better chance of actually being able to buy successfully?
Why would the seller come on here and ask less than gallery prices when the artist's work is publically selling for significantly more than gallery prices elsewhere? This defies all common sense and logic.
I wish he was asking gallery price for the piece. It would have been mine as soon as he posted this thread.
This is silly. I'd rather have the opportunity to purchase quality art on the boards than have to fight it out with the crowd at Bonhams. Why would you try to push sellers away from a place where you have a much better chance of actually being able to buy successfully?
Why would the seller come on here and ask less than gallery prices when the artist's work is publically selling for significantly more than gallery prices elsewhere? This defies all common sense and logic.
I wish he was asking gallery price for the piece. It would have been mine as soon as he posted this thread.
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 20:33:59 GMT 1, thats ok HC, its a debate, and everything discussed is with respect. i wouldn't put Ian Francis in the same brackets as Banksy. Walker, and Dface are also on a different level, however after about a month or two, you tend to see their prices level or come off a little. Dont get me wrong I like Ian's stuff, but he is not a 10K per canvas artist yet. Miranda Donovan sold out pre-show, as did Conor H., with the exception of a few pieces, most are still around the gallery prices they sold for, and what about Herakut, pieces are very difficult to come by, but their pricing is realistic. I would put Ian Francis in the same brackets as Charming Baker and Sage Vaughn.
As for Parla - after the last show, very overpriced imo
Let me add if you had ยฃ10K spare, would you spend it on a Ian Francis?
thats ok HC, its a debate, and everything discussed is with respect. i wouldn't put Ian Francis in the same brackets as Banksy. Walker, and Dface are also on a different level, however after about a month or two, you tend to see their prices level or come off a little. Dont get me wrong I like Ian's stuff, but he is not a 10K per canvas artist yet. Miranda Donovan sold out pre-show, as did Conor H., with the exception of a few pieces, most are still around the gallery prices they sold for, and what about Herakut, pieces are very difficult to come by, but their pricing is realistic. I would put Ian Francis in the same brackets as Charming Baker and Sage Vaughn.
As for Parla - after the last show, very overpriced imo
Let me add if you had ยฃ10K spare, would you spend it on a Ian Francis?
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 31, 2008 20:48:11 GMT 1, fyi, just last month francis sold 2 canvases @ $28K usd each- whats that 17.5K gbp? Laz sold one @ $35k usd no?
should get your facts straight...
fyi, just last month francis sold 2 canvases @ $28K usd each- whats that 17.5K gbp? Laz sold one @ $35k usd no?
should get your facts straight...
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 31, 2008 20:49:14 GMT 1, and yes if I had 10K to spare, Ian francis would be my first choice from this "scene"...
and yes if I had 10K to spare, Ian francis would be my first choice from this "scene"...
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by arcam on Oct 31, 2008 20:49:37 GMT 1, Let me add if you had ยฃ10K spare, would you spend it on a Ian Francis? Some would......
Let me add if you had ยฃ10K spare, would you spend it on a Ian Francis? Some would......
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Heavyconsumer
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by Heavyconsumer on Oct 31, 2008 20:52:31 GMT 1, I'd go for Ian's work well before considering anything by Walker or Dface most of the time, because I think he's twice the artist either of them are (of course all real life decisions are based on the actual piece, not only the artist, so there are exceptions I suppose, although I haven't seen many Dface images I really like at all thus far). However, my personal choice would likely not include any of the afformentioned. There are simply some artists I happen to prefer at the moment, but tastes evolve and change and I can see myself seeing Ian's work and being wowed enough to buy it, were I liquid enough to do so. (Tough to say for sure when you aren't in that position)
I'd go for Ian's work well before considering anything by Walker or Dface most of the time, because I think he's twice the artist either of them are (of course all real life decisions are based on the actual piece, not only the artist, so there are exceptions I suppose, although I haven't seen many Dface images I really like at all thus far). However, my personal choice would likely not include any of the afformentioned. There are simply some artists I happen to prefer at the moment, but tastes evolve and change and I can see myself seeing Ian's work and being wowed enough to buy it, were I liquid enough to do so. (Tough to say for sure when you aren't in that position)
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Heavyconsumer
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by Heavyconsumer on Oct 31, 2008 20:55:16 GMT 1, and yes if I had 10K to spare, Ian francis would be my first choice from this "scene"...
Probably mine too if limiting things in that way.
and yes if I had 10K to spare, Ian francis would be my first choice from this "scene"... Probably mine too if limiting things in that way.
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by arcam on Oct 31, 2008 20:58:24 GMT 1, I'd go for Ian's work well before considering anything by Walker or Dface most of the time, because I think he's twice the artist either of them are. Damn right.
I find it staggering that people will spend hundreds on crap like the Green Lady where as IF prints struggle to sell.
I'd go for Ian's work well before considering anything by Walker or Dface most of the time, because I think he's twice the artist either of them are. Damn right. I find it staggering that people will spend hundreds on crap like the Green Lady where as IF prints struggle to sell.
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 20:59:12 GMT 1, fyi, just last month francis sold 2 canvases @ $28K usd each- whats that 17.5K gbp? Laz sold one @ $35k usd no? should get your facts straight...
$35K? www.lazinc.com/artists/ian-francis/original-art/1492/
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gebeau31
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by gebeau31 on Oct 31, 2008 21:11:10 GMT 1, To be fair, that Laz piece is craptastic...and obviously not the piece he was referring to.
Also to be fair, the two KDF pieces that sold at $28k USD were also 49" x 71"...so three times as large as the piece offered here. Those two examples were also truly STUNNING. (This one is very nice, too...just saying...)
To be fair, that Laz piece is craptastic...and obviously not the piece he was referring to.
Also to be fair, the two KDF pieces that sold at $28k USD were also 49" x 71"...so three times as large as the piece offered here. Those two examples were also truly STUNNING. (This one is very nice, too...just saying...)
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 31, 2008 21:12:29 GMT 1, check the archive
check the archive
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 31, 2008 21:15:38 GMT 1, The "Avalanche" piece at Outsiders also sold @ $16000 usd = approx 10k gpb Basically, your comment about Ian Francis not being a 10K gbp artist yet is flat out wrong
The "Avalanche" piece at Outsiders also sold @ $16000 usd = approx 10k gpb Basically, your comment about Ian Francis not being a 10K gbp artist yet is flat out wrong
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 21:15:52 GMT 1, gebeau its bigger than the one being offered by artyfarty - sorry arty not intending to piss on your sale. Therefore if you are going on size alone, arty's is half the size of Laz's!!!
gebeau its bigger than the one being offered by artyfarty - sorry arty not intending to piss on your sale. Therefore if you are going on size alone, arty's is half the size of Laz's!!!
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 21:20:18 GMT 1, The "Avalanche" piece at Outsiders also sold @ $16000 usd = approx 10k gpb Basically, your comment about Ian Francis not being a 10K gbp artist yet is flat out wrong
give arty's piece to a gallery to sell on consignment, he wont see 10K for it, a gallery will probably sell it for 8-10K, arty would see close to ยฃ4-5K for it - and i guess that is more my point - 10K on here is too steep. And without being pedantic - you are basing $16K on todays exchange rate, when it sold exchange rate was closer to $2 per ยฃ1
The "Avalanche" piece at Outsiders also sold @ $16000 usd = approx 10k gpb Basically, your comment about Ian Francis not being a 10K gbp artist yet is flat out wrong give arty's piece to a gallery to sell on consignment, he wont see 10K for it, a gallery will probably sell it for 8-10K, arty would see close to ยฃ4-5K for it - and i guess that is more my point - 10K on here is too steep. And without being pedantic - you are basing $16K on todays exchange rate, when it sold exchange rate was closer to $2 per ยฃ1
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by solar77 on Oct 31, 2008 21:20:48 GMT 1, A couple points:
There's a reason the Laz piece is still there for 10...it's awful. Not a good representation of the man's work.
There's a number of Ian Francis canvases I would spend 8-12K on right now given the opportunity; any of the 50x36" or larger pieces from the latest show, either of the larger pieces from Outsiders, Deathstar, Maria Ozawa and several others from the Super Coma Fantasy show.
I would buy any BLK/MRKT or KDF 40x30" Ian Francis for 6K without a second thought.
Edit: Als, I do agree that 10K is too agressive for this piece.
A couple points:
There's a reason the Laz piece is still there for 10...it's awful. Not a good representation of the man's work.
There's a number of Ian Francis canvases I would spend 8-12K on right now given the opportunity; any of the 50x36" or larger pieces from the latest show, either of the larger pieces from Outsiders, Deathstar, Maria Ozawa and several others from the Super Coma Fantasy show.
I would buy any BLK/MRKT or KDF 40x30" Ian Francis for 6K without a second thought.
Edit: Als, I do agree that 10K is too agressive for this piece.
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 31, 2008 21:23:55 GMT 1, ummm the $16K midsized piece sold about 3 weeks ago - see outsiders nyc
ummm the $16K midsized piece sold about 3 weeks ago - see outsiders nyc
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Ian Francis Canvas For Sale "Two Girls Spend...", by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 21:24:04 GMT 1, fyi - i would rather buy Laz's canvas then arty's
fyi - i would rather buy Laz's canvas then arty's
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