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Ranking Jose Parla?, by hitme on Oct 24, 2008 23:12:49 GMT 1, Good discussion and interesting views going on here. This is exactly what I was looking for when I started this thread. I'm a huge Parla fan....I've got the new Elms Lester book coming my way and I'm stoked about that, because it is the only thing I will ever be able to afford of his.
For the most part, it seems that everyone agrees that Parla is a fascinating painter and highly-skilled, never struggling for new ideas....his work feels very natural and free-flowing.
A quick clarification, I wasn't meaning to imply that I or other people should try to guage the the ranking of Parla by his auction prices the other day at Bonham's. I think we can all agree that those were not even close to his top pieces....more like left over scraps. What I was trying to get at is that it DOES seem that he is a bit undiscovered in the art world (obviously those Google search results can vouch for that). He's known around here, but as several have said, this is an extremely small bit of dust in the overall circle of contemporary art collectors.
What DOES boggle my mind is the amount of attention and talk (or lack thereof) that Parla receives around these forums, relatively speaking to other artists. The thread and discussion for his Elms Lesters show (which looks simply amazing) gets far less attention than a silly thread discussing the release of a horrid-looking print from a very un-inspiring,shabby artist like DFACE.
I suppose that much of this is due to the fact which several people have mentioned here already...and that is that Parla is a contemporary artist/painter and not a hack illustrator in this "urban art" scene.
How much does a lot of this have to do with the fact that Parla is nearly completely inaccessible to most people in terms of buying his work? Do people only like discussions about artists that they can collect and take pride in having their work on their walls?
Good discussion and interesting views going on here. This is exactly what I was looking for when I started this thread. I'm a huge Parla fan....I've got the new Elms Lester book coming my way and I'm stoked about that, because it is the only thing I will ever be able to afford of his.
For the most part, it seems that everyone agrees that Parla is a fascinating painter and highly-skilled, never struggling for new ideas....his work feels very natural and free-flowing.
A quick clarification, I wasn't meaning to imply that I or other people should try to guage the the ranking of Parla by his auction prices the other day at Bonham's. I think we can all agree that those were not even close to his top pieces....more like left over scraps. What I was trying to get at is that it DOES seem that he is a bit undiscovered in the art world (obviously those Google search results can vouch for that). He's known around here, but as several have said, this is an extremely small bit of dust in the overall circle of contemporary art collectors.
What DOES boggle my mind is the amount of attention and talk (or lack thereof) that Parla receives around these forums, relatively speaking to other artists. The thread and discussion for his Elms Lesters show (which looks simply amazing) gets far less attention than a silly thread discussing the release of a horrid-looking print from a very un-inspiring,shabby artist like DFACE.
I suppose that much of this is due to the fact which several people have mentioned here already...and that is that Parla is a contemporary artist/painter and not a hack illustrator in this "urban art" scene.
How much does a lot of this have to do with the fact that Parla is nearly completely inaccessible to most people in terms of buying his work? Do people only like discussions about artists that they can collect and take pride in having their work on their walls?
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Ranking Jose Parla?, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 25, 2008 0:55:26 GMT 1, thanks for the positive input there.
About Parla and fine art though.
Many here are talking about this scene and that scene, as if there is a definite distinction between fine art and street art (I presume that's the distinction you're making. At the end of the day, if Parla's work is selling for six figures in some cases ($USD) I don't think there is any such deviding barrier to be applied. There are clearly some people that accept him as a fine artist, or his work simply wouldn't sell for the sums it does and I think the same should certainly be said of Banksy. What is art at the end of the day? I think trying to catergorize, pigeonhole and then rank in scale is all very childish and absolutely pointless. It totally defeats the whole concept of people being able to appreciate the same works differently and interpret the work differently. If you're talking about who's better than who, what are you referring to? Technique, range of abilities? It all sounds like a very financially driven, premature and to be honest pointless discussion.
thanks for the positive input there.
About Parla and fine art though.
Many here are talking about this scene and that scene, as if there is a definite distinction between fine art and street art (I presume that's the distinction you're making. At the end of the day, if Parla's work is selling for six figures in some cases ($USD) I don't think there is any such deviding barrier to be applied. There are clearly some people that accept him as a fine artist, or his work simply wouldn't sell for the sums it does and I think the same should certainly be said of Banksy. What is art at the end of the day? I think trying to catergorize, pigeonhole and then rank in scale is all very childish and absolutely pointless. It totally defeats the whole concept of people being able to appreciate the same works differently and interpret the work differently. If you're talking about who's better than who, what are you referring to? Technique, range of abilities? It all sounds like a very financially driven, premature and to be honest pointless discussion.
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Ranking Jose Parla?, by wiz on Oct 25, 2008 1:33:54 GMT 1, Silky, have you forgotten someones birthday or something???.
Silky, have you forgotten someones birthday or something???.
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Ranking Jose Parla?, by Deleted on Oct 25, 2008 1:39:18 GMT 1, Silky, have you forgotten someones birthday or something???.
;D ;D
Can people stop hitting quote. It takes ages to scroll down and my finger hurts.
Silky, have you forgotten someones birthday or something???. ;D ;D Can people stop hitting quote. It takes ages to scroll down and my finger hurts. |
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Ranking Jose Parla?, by stjohn on Oct 25, 2008 10:28:04 GMT 1, If you want to rank an artist then take a look at www.artfacts.net which ranks artists based on a (silly?) algorithm according to exhibitions an artist has had. In part it depends on which other artists the artist in question has exhibited with (thus hopefully showing exposure).
See here how it works: www.artfacts.net/index.php/pageType/ranking/paragraph/3
Text from that page:
The artist ranking weighs exhibitions by using a special algorithm. Each exhibition automatically gains a certain value, called points. On a yearly basis all artists participating in exhibitions receive the sum of the points of the exhibitions involved. The higher the amount of points for an individual artist, the higher is his rank. The artist with the highest number of points will be the number 1, the artist with the second most points will be number 2 and so on.
Art institutions which collect or represent famous artists are considered more important than others. Exhibitions held in a museum with a great collection of famous artists like the 'Centre Pompidou' will receive more points than an relatively unknown private gallery.
Famous artists establish the basis of the artist ranking system since they are collected by museums or represented by galleries on an international scale. Institutions, cities and finally all exhibitions gain their points from the number and the worth of famous artists linked to them.
Parla is unranked - someone needs to update his exhibitions though:
www.artfacts.net/index.php/pageType/artistInfo/artist/51376/lang/1
Banksy is ranked 9932 at the moment!
www.artfacts.net/index.php/pageType/artistInfo/artist/17104/lang/1
Seems a bit of a silly way to rank artists whose work is, as is said above, subjective, but there is A benchmark out there (of some sort) if you are looking!
Some others:
Warhol - 1
Murakami - 182
Mimmo Rotella - 491
Top 100 here:
www.artfacts.net/index.php/pageType/artists/lang/1
If you want to rank an artist then take a look at www.artfacts.net which ranks artists based on a (silly?) algorithm according to exhibitions an artist has had. In part it depends on which other artists the artist in question has exhibited with (thus hopefully showing exposure). See here how it works: www.artfacts.net/index.php/pageType/ranking/paragraph/3Text from that page: The artist ranking weighs exhibitions by using a special algorithm. Each exhibition automatically gains a certain value, called points. On a yearly basis all artists participating in exhibitions receive the sum of the points of the exhibitions involved. The higher the amount of points for an individual artist, the higher is his rank. The artist with the highest number of points will be the number 1, the artist with the second most points will be number 2 and so on. Art institutions which collect or represent famous artists are considered more important than others. Exhibitions held in a museum with a great collection of famous artists like the 'Centre Pompidou' will receive more points than an relatively unknown private gallery. Famous artists establish the basis of the artist ranking system since they are collected by museums or represented by galleries on an international scale. Institutions, cities and finally all exhibitions gain their points from the number and the worth of famous artists linked to them. Parla is unranked - someone needs to update his exhibitions though: www.artfacts.net/index.php/pageType/artistInfo/artist/51376/lang/1Banksy is ranked 9932 at the moment! www.artfacts.net/index.php/pageType/artistInfo/artist/17104/lang/1Seems a bit of a silly way to rank artists whose work is, as is said above, subjective, but there is A benchmark out there (of some sort) if you are looking! Some others: Warhol - 1 Murakami - 182 Mimmo Rotella - 491 Top 100 here: www.artfacts.net/index.php/pageType/artists/lang/1 |
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Ranking Jose Parla?, by Francis on Oct 25, 2008 10:40:55 GMT 1, that includes dead artists though. i think we are talking about breathing ones here
that includes dead artists though. i think we are talking about breathing ones here
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Ranking Jose Parla?, by Gallery My Arse on Oct 25, 2008 10:42:08 GMT 1, You've got to take the Parla talk with a huge pinch of salt. It's the same faces on these boards bigging him up because they have some of his works. It's very dull and very predictable. Sure, he's a good artist but I feel the prices for his works now are too high. Wait a while and pick them up when people have moved onto "the next big thing" and pick up his pieces for more reasonable amounts. You can pick up an original Conor Harrington or David Choe for 2K these days. Think on.
You've got to take the Parla talk with a huge pinch of salt. It's the same faces on these boards bigging him up because they have some of his works. It's very dull and very predictable. Sure, he's a good artist but I feel the prices for his works now are too high. Wait a while and pick them up when people have moved onto "the next big thing" and pick up his pieces for more reasonable amounts. You can pick up an original Conor Harrington or David Choe for 2K these days. Think on.
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Ranking Jose Parla?, by Deleted on Oct 25, 2008 10:50:53 GMT 1, I think most of the board members who praise Parla's work lack the cash to own one of his originals. I'm one of them. Besides that the prices of Parla aren't controlled by the .info forum members.. Respected gallerys charge high prices, with a reason... The demand for his work is so much higher than the supply. The comparison with Conor Harrington or David Choe, who are great artists too, is a bit weird.. if you are after a Parla a Harrington or Choe can't give you the same satisfaction probably.
well.. thats my opinion 
I think most of the board members who praise Parla's work lack the cash to own one of his originals. I'm one of them. Besides that the prices of Parla aren't controlled by the .info forum members.. Respected gallerys charge high prices, with a reason... The demand for his work is so much higher than the supply. The comparison with Conor Harrington or David Choe, who are great artists too, is a bit weird.. if you are after a Parla a Harrington or Choe can't give you the same satisfaction probably. well.. thats my opinion |
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Ranking Jose Parla?, by Gallery My Arse on Oct 25, 2008 10:58:06 GMT 1, Well, I like all 3 and would love an original by any of them. But, if I'd have bought a Harrington or Choe 18 months ago it would be 3 or 4 times the price it is now. This is partly due to hype by "gallery" owners. Wait a while, don't believe the hype and maybe snap up a bargain in a few months time. Of course it can go the other way but you have to really be careful and not get sucked into the current flavour of the month.
Well, I like all 3 and would love an original by any of them. But, if I'd have bought a Harrington or Choe 18 months ago it would be 3 or 4 times the price it is now. This is partly due to hype by "gallery" owners. Wait a while, don't believe the hype and maybe snap up a bargain in a few months time. Of course it can go the other way but you have to really be careful and not get sucked into the current flavour of the month.
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Ranking Jose Parla?, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 25, 2008 13:17:39 GMT 1, Well, I like all 3 and would love an original by any of them. But, if I'd have bought a Harrington or Choe 18 months ago it would be 3 or 4 times the price it is now. This is partly due to hype by "gallery" owners. Wait a while, don't believe the hype and maybe snap up a bargain in a few months time. Of course it can go the other way but you have to really be careful and not get sucked into the current flavour of the month.
Nice post and some good food for thought in there, regardless of what the future holds.
Me too
Well, I like all 3 and would love an original by any of them. But, if I'd have bought a Harrington or Choe 18 months ago it would be 3 or 4 times the price it is now. This is partly due to hype by "gallery" owners. Wait a while, don't believe the hype and maybe snap up a bargain in a few months time. Of course it can go the other way but you have to really be careful and not get sucked into the current flavour of the month. Nice post and some good food for thought in there, regardless of what the future holds. Me too |
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