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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by graeme501 on Feb 7, 2009 21:08:29 GMT 1, it wasnt bought from harveyn but he does know the cost
about the authenticity of the piece, i have pm'd the two people that have suggested something might be up about where the piece came from, and have also contacted adam through one of his friends so im sure this will all be cleared up
it wasnt bought from harveyn but he does know the cost
about the authenticity of the piece, i have pm'd the two people that have suggested something might be up about where the piece came from, and have also contacted adam through one of his friends so im sure this will all be cleared up
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by veralynn on Feb 7, 2009 21:17:10 GMT 1, Bit of an aside but I don't think it's right or fair to question price paid, integrity and so on on a public forum.
Were I trying to sell something I'd be pissed off........there's button somewhere with PM on it?
Bit of an aside but I don't think it's right or fair to question price paid, integrity and so on on a public forum.
Were I trying to sell something I'd be pissed off........there's button somewhere with PM on it?
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by cashman on Feb 7, 2009 21:25:05 GMT 1, Bit of an aside but I don't think it's right or fair to question price paid, integrity and so on on a public forum. Were I trying to sell something I'd be pissed off........there's button somewhere with PM on it?
agreed...love your avatar
Bit of an aside but I don't think it's right or fair to question price paid, integrity and so on on a public forum. Were I trying to sell something I'd be pissed off........there's button somewhere with PM on it? agreed...love your avatar |
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by graeme501 on Feb 7, 2009 21:26:57 GMT 1, its ok, theres no hard feelings towards cg
its ok, theres no hard feelings towards cg
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by junkieart on Feb 7, 2009 22:15:31 GMT 1, Hello Graeme, cheers for explanation to how you buy your art in the other thread, this is lovely. But have to say that must have been one hell of a paper round, was it around Mayfair :-)
Good luck mate its a cracker! !!
Hello Graeme, cheers for explanation to how you buy your art in the other thread, this is lovely. But have to say that must have been one hell of a paper round, was it around Mayfair :-)
Good luck mate its a cracker! !!
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by Cocteau 101 on Feb 7, 2009 22:21:35 GMT 1, I have one of these pieces and the fact is that Adam gave 4 pieces to a senior member of Dazed and Confused staff to be used as possible covers for a book she was writing. Ultimately she used a different piece of work. I spoke to Adam about this at the Adam and Ron show and he confirmed that this was in fact the case, he wasn't thrilled at her actions in susequently selling the pieces but was glad that they had gone to collectors in the end.
Theres no conspiracy theory behind this piece of Graemes and the piece I have just a slightly convuluted ownership trail, which in my view gives the pieces a little bit of extra provenance because of the back story.
I'm sure Adam could easily authenticate this if required given the circumstances.
I have one of these pieces and the fact is that Adam gave 4 pieces to a senior member of Dazed and Confused staff to be used as possible covers for a book she was writing. Ultimately she used a different piece of work. I spoke to Adam about this at the Adam and Ron show and he confirmed that this was in fact the case, he wasn't thrilled at her actions in susequently selling the pieces but was glad that they had gone to collectors in the end.
Theres no conspiracy theory behind this piece of Graemes and the piece I have just a slightly convuluted ownership trail, which in my view gives the pieces a little bit of extra provenance because of the back story.
I'm sure Adam could easily authenticate this if required given the circumstances.
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by cashman on Feb 7, 2009 22:30:43 GMT 1, ...and they all lived happily ever after
...and they all lived happily ever after
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by Cocteau 101 on Feb 7, 2009 22:34:03 GMT 1, Exactly, it's amazing but a bit of factual evidence can do rather than a load of supposition from people who have never even seen these pieces in person. Glad to be of assistance.
Exactly, it's amazing but a bit of factual evidence can do rather than a load of supposition from people who have never even seen these pieces in person. Glad to be of assistance.
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by Deleted on Feb 7, 2009 23:58:49 GMT 1, that sounds o.k.! thanks for the explanation..
and now on with the sale!
great piece, no idea about the price but sure graeme will sell for a good price..
hokeliedokelie what an evening..
that sounds o.k.! thanks for the explanation..
and now on with the sale!
great piece, no idea about the price but sure graeme will sell for a good price..
hokeliedokelie what an evening..
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by pristine on Feb 8, 2009 11:07:26 GMT 1, it wasnt bought from harveyn but he does know the cost about the authenticity of the piece, i have pm'd the two people that have suggested something might be up about where the piece came from, and have also contacted adam through one of his friends so im sure this will all be cleared up
I never suggested authenticity was an issue. I was talking about provenance. For those who don't know the difference, authenticity means genuineness and provenance means ownership history.
My question was whether your piece actually belonged to the original seller at the time of the first sale. Let us know what Neate says. His view is all that really matters here. If he gives you the ok, then you're fine. Without that ok, you've got incomplete provenance.
it wasnt bought from harveyn but he does know the cost about the authenticity of the piece, i have pm'd the two people that have suggested something might be up about where the piece came from, and have also contacted adam through one of his friends so im sure this will all be cleared up I never suggested authenticity was an issue. I was talking about provenance. For those who don't know the difference, authenticity means genuineness and provenance means ownership history. My question was whether your piece actually belonged to the original seller at the time of the first sale. Let us know what Neate says. His view is all that really matters here. If he gives you the ok, then you're fine. Without that ok, you've got incomplete provenance. |
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by graeme501 on Feb 8, 2009 11:20:09 GMT 1, I have one of these pieces and the fact is that Adam gave 4 pieces to a senior member of Dazed and Confused staff to be used as possible covers for a book she was writing. Ultimately she used a different piece of work. I spoke to Adam about this at the Adam and Ron show and he confirmed that this was in fact the case, he wasn't thrilled at her actions in susequently selling the pieces but was glad that they had gone to collectors in the end. Theres no conspiracy theory behind this piece of Graemes and the piece I have just a slightly convuluted ownership trail, which in my view gives the pieces a little bit of extra provenance because of the back story. I'm sure Adam could easily authenticate this if required given the circumstances.
cheers mate - this was the exact story i was told, but like i said, adam has been contacted, so hopefully he will get back to me
I have one of these pieces and the fact is that Adam gave 4 pieces to a senior member of Dazed and Confused staff to be used as possible covers for a book she was writing. Ultimately she used a different piece of work. I spoke to Adam about this at the Adam and Ron show and he confirmed that this was in fact the case, he wasn't thrilled at her actions in susequently selling the pieces but was glad that they had gone to collectors in the end. Theres no conspiracy theory behind this piece of Graemes and the piece I have just a slightly convuluted ownership trail, which in my view gives the pieces a little bit of extra provenance because of the back story. I'm sure Adam could easily authenticate this if required given the circumstances. cheers mate - this was the exact story i was told, but like i said, adam has been contacted, so hopefully he will get back to me |
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by pristine on Feb 8, 2009 11:53:01 GMT 1, I have one of these pieces and the fact is that Adam gave 4 pieces to a senior member of Dazed and Confused staff to be used as possible covers for a book she was writing. Ultimately she used a different piece of work. I spoke to Adam about this at the Adam and Ron show and he confirmed that this was in fact the case, he wasn't thrilled at her actions in susequently selling the pieces but was glad that they had gone to collectors in the end. Theres no conspiracy theory behind this piece of Graemes and the piece I have just a slightly convuluted ownership trail, which in my view gives the pieces a little bit of extra provenance because of the back story. I'm sure Adam could easily authenticate this if required given the circumstances.
Did Neate use the term "gave" without qualification, or were the works given on the understanding that one would be chosen for this book cover? If the latter, that would seem conditional to me. And if the condition wasn't satisfied then the pieces technically still belong to Neate. Even so, he'd probably be very gracious and zen about the whole affair.
I'm sure Neate would be glad if the artwork had gone to collectors in the end. Do you think Neate's definition of "collectors" includes people who, within a short period of time after acquiring his work, are keen to sell it on or swap it for the latest signed Banksy? When speaking to Neate, did you mention the big offers you'd received for your piece?
In your view the history of the pieces gives them a little bit of extra provenance because of the back story. In my view the "back story" leaves the pieces tainted by betrayed trust.
I have one of these pieces and the fact is that Adam gave 4 pieces to a senior member of Dazed and Confused staff to be used as possible covers for a book she was writing. Ultimately she used a different piece of work. I spoke to Adam about this at the Adam and Ron show and he confirmed that this was in fact the case, he wasn't thrilled at her actions in susequently selling the pieces but was glad that they had gone to collectors in the end. Theres no conspiracy theory behind this piece of Graemes and the piece I have just a slightly convuluted ownership trail, which in my view gives the pieces a little bit of extra provenance because of the back story. I'm sure Adam could easily authenticate this if required given the circumstances. Did Neate use the term "gave" without qualification, or were the works given on the understanding that one would be chosen for this book cover? If the latter, that would seem conditional to me. And if the condition wasn't satisfied then the pieces technically still belong to Neate. Even so, he'd probably be very gracious and zen about the whole affair. I'm sure Neate would be glad if the artwork had gone to collectors in the end. Do you think Neate's definition of "collectors" includes people who, within a short period of time after acquiring his work, are keen to sell it on or swap it for the latest signed Banksy? When speaking to Neate, did you mention the big offers you'd received for your piece? In your view the history of the pieces gives them a little bit of extra provenance because of the back story. In my view the "back story" leaves the pieces tainted by betrayed trust. |
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by Cocteau 101 on Feb 8, 2009 12:11:58 GMT 1, Hi pristine, to clarify, the pieces were given unconditionally and yeh Adam was pretty zen about the whole thing.
At the time I spoke to Adam I hadn't received any offers for mine but if the insinuation is that I have been trying to flip my piece than you should also know that I had recently acquired an expensive gallery piece direct from Elms, had bought a Neate drawing in a charity auction for an expensive price but that the price was somewhat irrelevelant to me as the money was going to charity and someone had pulled out after making the original offer, leaving the charity potentially down a four figure sum until I stepped in.
And as for collectors yeh I consider myself a collector if you doubt that you show me yours and I'll show you mine.
The back story is the back story, I'm sure Adam will not be giving pieves to the said person in the future maybe your angst should be directed there rather than here.
You obviously have read a lot of past discussions on the forum considering your membership started in 2009 or are you an older member who has decided to change name I'd be curious to read your past posts.
Hi pristine, to clarify, the pieces were given unconditionally and yeh Adam was pretty zen about the whole thing.
At the time I spoke to Adam I hadn't received any offers for mine but if the insinuation is that I have been trying to flip my piece than you should also know that I had recently acquired an expensive gallery piece direct from Elms, had bought a Neate drawing in a charity auction for an expensive price but that the price was somewhat irrelevelant to me as the money was going to charity and someone had pulled out after making the original offer, leaving the charity potentially down a four figure sum until I stepped in.
And as for collectors yeh I consider myself a collector if you doubt that you show me yours and I'll show you mine.
The back story is the back story, I'm sure Adam will not be giving pieves to the said person in the future maybe your angst should be directed there rather than here.
You obviously have read a lot of past discussions on the forum considering your membership started in 2009 or are you an older member who has decided to change name I'd be curious to read your past posts.
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by graeme501 on Feb 8, 2009 13:13:43 GMT 1, just to mention that among all the confusion that the piece is still for sale or for trade (and will not be completed without full history and understanding of the origins of the artwork)
just to mention that among all the confusion that the piece is still for sale or for trade (and will not be completed without full history and understanding of the origins of the artwork)
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by baznyc on Feb 8, 2009 16:36:45 GMT 1, I have one of these pieces and the fact is that Adam gave 4 pieces to a senior member of Dazed and Confused staff to be used as possible covers for a book she was writing. Ultimately she used a different piece of work. I spoke to Adam about this at the Adam and Ron show and he confirmed that this was in fact the case, he wasn't thrilled at her actions in susequently selling the pieces but was glad that they had gone to collectors in the end. Theres no conspiracy theory behind this piece of Graemes and the piece I have just a slightly convuluted ownership trail, which in my view gives the pieces a little bit of extra provenance because of the back story.
I'm sure Adam could easily authenticate this if required given the circumstances.
Cocteau, whilst I have no issue with you, or Graeme for that matter, let me take issue with your final 2 points.
How on earth does the convoluted history of these pieces of art add to their provenance? That is quite an assertion. If I understand correctly Graeme's piece has been passed around a fair bit in a short period of time. The more people involved in the chain would surely dilute the matter of provenance
To claim that Adam 'could easily authenticate this if required' is one thing, but whether he will actually do it is another matter. My conversation with him regarding the issue suggested he felt very let down by the episode. I'm not quite so sure it should be taken for granted that he'll authenticate them and at 8k I'd be wanting cast iron authentication.
I have one of these pieces and the fact is that Adam gave 4 pieces to a senior member of Dazed and Confused staff to be used as possible covers for a book she was writing. Ultimately she used a different piece of work. I spoke to Adam about this at the Adam and Ron show and he confirmed that this was in fact the case, he wasn't thrilled at her actions in susequently selling the pieces but was glad that they had gone to collectors in the end. Theres no conspiracy theory behind this piece of Graemes and the piece I have just a slightly convuluted ownership trail, which in my view gives the pieces a little bit of extra provenance because of the back story.
I'm sure Adam could easily authenticate this if required given the circumstances. Cocteau, whilst I have no issue with you, or Graeme for that matter, let me take issue with your final 2 points. How on earth does the convoluted history of these pieces of art add to their provenance? That is quite an assertion. If I understand correctly Graeme's piece has been passed around a fair bit in a short period of time. The more people involved in the chain would surely dilute the matter of provenance To claim that Adam 'could easily authenticate this if required' is one thing, but whether he will actually do it is another matter. My conversation with him regarding the issue suggested he felt very let down by the episode. I'm not quite so sure it should be taken for granted that he'll authenticate them and at 8k I'd be wanting cast iron authentication. |
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by graeme501 on Feb 8, 2009 16:57:14 GMT 1, just to make clear, my piece has not been 'passed around alot' - there was the editor of dazed and confused, one forum member, a gallery, and me
just to make clear, my piece has not been 'passed around alot' - there was the editor of dazed and confused, one forum member, a gallery, and me
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by princeofdalston on Feb 8, 2009 19:34:36 GMT 1, It's a lovely piece - I'd hang onto it if you can because £8K is a hefty sum in the current climate.
It's a lovely piece - I'd hang onto it if you can because £8K is a hefty sum in the current climate.
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by guest2 on Feb 8, 2009 19:46:48 GMT 1, the piece came from the art director of a magazine to me to one other and then to graeme. The piece is large and is an excellent example of neates work. Street pieces have sold more than this, both in auctions and privately and currently adam neates primary prices are approx 40k plus VAT.
The provenance on this is stronger than any street piece as all street pieces are 'found in shoreditch' and still make auction. I'm sure adam won't be happy but then no artist is happy when their work is sold but when an artists prices increase so rapidly there work seems to change hand quite quickly. I think both the upcoming dreweatts auction and bonhams auction consists of very very little pieces pre 2007!
It's a rock solid piece . Good luck with the sale Graeme.
the piece came from the art director of a magazine to me to one other and then to graeme. The piece is large and is an excellent example of neates work. Street pieces have sold more than this, both in auctions and privately and currently adam neates primary prices are approx 40k plus VAT.
The provenance on this is stronger than any street piece as all street pieces are 'found in shoreditch' and still make auction. I'm sure adam won't be happy but then no artist is happy when their work is sold but when an artists prices increase so rapidly there work seems to change hand quite quickly. I think both the upcoming dreweatts auction and bonhams auction consists of very very little pieces pre 2007!
It's a rock solid piece . Good luck with the sale Graeme.
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by baznyc on Feb 8, 2009 22:43:50 GMT 1, Is it fuck rock solid Frankie. When you get Adam's authentication then it becomes rock solid.
Is it fuck rock solid Frankie. When you get Adam's authentication then it becomes rock solid.
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by Cocteau 101 on Feb 8, 2009 23:16:19 GMT 1, Baz, I agree re Adams endorsement but to be honest for someone to try to doubt the provenance of this piece considering the story is as absurd as someone trying to sell a fake.
Baz, I agree re Adams endorsement but to be honest for someone to try to doubt the provenance of this piece considering the story is as absurd as someone trying to sell a fake.
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by top on Feb 9, 2009 0:06:35 GMT 1, Good luck Graeme
Bonafide in 48 hours
Good luck Graeme
Bonafide in 48 hours
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by graeme501 on Mar 8, 2009 22:41:57 GMT 1, in the past year or so my interests and tastes have changed to a more painterly style, something has came up, so if i were to afford it, i would have to sell this adam neate - gift piece to editor of dazed and confused, 80cmx50cm, full history and authentication   
going to bump this to the top and see if there is any more interest
in the past year or so my interests and tastes have changed to a more painterly style, something has came up, so if i were to afford it, i would have to sell this adam neate - gift piece to editor of dazed and confused, 80cmx50cm, full history and authentication going to bump this to the top and see if there is any more interest |
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by sfdoddsy on Mar 9, 2009 11:16:01 GMT 1, Given it is now a secondary (or moer accurately quaternary) piece with solid provenance, I'm mystified why it matters to its value if Neate is happy or not.
Surely he is not naive enough to believe there is no secondary market for his works, or that his recent flood of street pieces would not result in flipping on a never before seen scale?
And that this would have a commensurately positive affect on his value?
That's about as dumb as believing Banksy really hates the escalation in value of his stuff, yet somehow thinks releasing limited edition prints is the solution.
Given it is now a secondary (or moer accurately quaternary) piece with solid provenance, I'm mystified why it matters to its value if Neate is happy or not.
Surely he is not naive enough to believe there is no secondary market for his works, or that his recent flood of street pieces would not result in flipping on a never before seen scale?
And that this would have a commensurately positive affect on his value?
That's about as dumb as believing Banksy really hates the escalation in value of his stuff, yet somehow thinks releasing limited edition prints is the solution.
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by graeme501 on Mar 11, 2009 21:25:14 GMT 1, still available for sale or swap
still available for sale or swap
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by graeme501 on Mar 12, 2009 0:55:53 GMT 1, ill take the last one 
ill take the last one |
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by cashman on Mar 12, 2009 1:05:00 GMT 1, il give you..
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by Guest on Mar 12, 2009 17:03:52 GMT 1, nice cash, a triptych of flickr's
nice cash, a triptych of flickr's |
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by graeme501 on Mar 14, 2009 13:42:03 GMT 1, what u didnt see is that it was 3 pictures of £10k each 
will consider swaps for this - matt small, herakut, conor harrington or signed banksys
what u didnt see is that it was 3 pictures of £10k each will consider swaps for this - matt small, herakut, conor harrington or signed banksys |
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Possible Neate Original For Sale, by cashman on Mar 14, 2009 18:54:03 GMT 1, nice cash, a triptych of flickr's
dunno what happened there
nice cash, a triptych of flickr's dunno what happened there |
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