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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by cashman on Feb 25, 2009 17:10:03 GMT 1, Going by the crap he spouts on here - he's a very sad, middle aged drip of a bloke who still lives at home with his parents, just so he can afford the hire-purchase payments on his Aston Martin - which i'm pretty sure he only bought to compensate for his short-coming's in other "areas". The more i read the more i think xmas is all talk. Just another wanabee.
The more I read this he sounds like the bloke that got caught sucking a dildo in that facebook prank
Going by the crap he spouts on here - he's a very sad, middle aged drip of a bloke who still lives at home with his parents, just so he can afford the hire-purchase payments on his Aston Martin - which i'm pretty sure he only bought to compensate for his short-coming's in other "areas". The more i read the more i think xmas is all talk. Just another wanabee. The more I read this he sounds like the bloke that got caught sucking a dildo in that facebook prank
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by fatherxmas on Feb 25, 2009 17:10:13 GMT 1, lol@billysport
robinbanks..i was being sarcastic. i try to donate what i can for many causes.
lol@billysport
robinbanks..i was being sarcastic. i try to donate what i can for many causes.
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by Graffiti Prints on Feb 25, 2009 17:30:25 GMT 1, hey Xmas
i have a cli che A/P which is no.13 and has a 2 inch crease in it done first time out of tube by my son, i saw yours and i have just gave mine to a artist to fix up anyway he sees fit as its better than a creased print i can not frame.
i really hope u have not fcuked that up for me now! why sell it, it looks well nice, if u had offers why not take them and sell it on the QT.
you should go half with oliver on the final price how used must he feel now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you will know from big business that don't burn your bridges with nice people that do u favors.
hey Xmas
i have a cli che A/P which is no.13 and has a 2 inch crease in it done first time out of tube by my son, i saw yours and i have just gave mine to a artist to fix up anyway he sees fit as its better than a creased print i can not frame.
i really hope u have not fcuked that up for me now! why sell it, it looks well nice, if u had offers why not take them and sell it on the QT.
you should go half with oliver on the final price how used must he feel now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you will know from big business that don't burn your bridges with nice people that do u favors.
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by swedishgirl on Feb 25, 2009 17:44:45 GMT 1, This thread is fucking hilarious.
The only person who could have a legitimate beef is the fella who done the respray.
If you don't like fatherxmas selling it, don't buy it.
I know this is a controversial view, but you Englishmen make me laugh with your self righteous fury!
This thread is fucking hilarious.
The only person who could have a legitimate beef is the fella who done the respray.
If you don't like fatherxmas selling it, don't buy it.
I know this is a controversial view, but you Englishmen make me laugh with your self righteous fury!
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by wiz on Feb 25, 2009 17:46:14 GMT 1, Lets call that quits then for ABBA.
Lets call that quits then for ABBA.
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by manchestermike on Feb 25, 2009 17:47:01 GMT 1, Lets call that quits then for ABBA.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Lets call that quits then for ABBA. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by curiousgeorge on Feb 25, 2009 17:48:39 GMT 1, Lets call that quits then for ABBA.
Sorry to add to the thread, but that is some funny sh!t
Lets call that quits then for ABBA. Sorry to add to the thread, but that is some funny sh!t
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by arcam on Feb 25, 2009 17:53:27 GMT 1, Can I just say for the record that I had no idea this was going to be sold on ebay, bit miffed to be honest I hope you charged him...
Can I just say for the record that I had no idea this was going to be sold on ebay, bit miffed to be honest I hope you charged him...
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by swedishgirl on Feb 25, 2009 18:01:29 GMT 1, By the way, I just want to say that FatherXmas does sound like a dishonest cunt.
And I hate Abba!
By the way, I just want to say that FatherXmas does sound like a dishonest cunt.
And I hate Abba!
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by Cocteau 101 on Feb 25, 2009 18:16:02 GMT 1, The outcome to this story makes me despair, xmas it's yours to sell etc but doesn't the fact that someone took the time and care to fix something up for you and personalise it make you think that this would be something quite special to keep regardless of value. Small acts of kindness cost nothing in the main but such acts of flippant disregard undermine a mans pride and self worth. I take it you don't look in mirrors to often.
The outcome to this story makes me despair, xmas it's yours to sell etc but doesn't the fact that someone took the time and care to fix something up for you and personalise it make you think that this would be something quite special to keep regardless of value. Small acts of kindness cost nothing in the main but such acts of flippant disregard undermine a mans pride and self worth. I take it you don't look in mirrors to often.
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by Oliver Winconek on Feb 25, 2009 18:17:09 GMT 1, Taking everything in to account, at the end of the day myself and fatherxmas never even mentioned if and when the print would be sold in the future, if I had of been asked then to be honest it's his property and he can do what he likes.
Obviously I would have been happier to know that he liked it enough to want to keep it and put it on his wall but thats life, it's not up to me to dictate what happens.
The world of street and urban art seems to be so much more cut throat than any other art movement in existence or that has taken place in the past, artwork changes hands very frequently and people often have much larger collections than they typically would have if they were collecting for instance; abstract expressionism or sculpture. Ok it's not always acceptable but it does seem to be par for the course which is why I didn't feel the need to give any thought to the future of this print.
At the end of the day, hopefully the new owner will enjoy having it on their wall and it will raise some money for charity. I will be now concentrating on my own work as I have more than enough of that to be getting on with - Urban Angel are keeping me very busy
Taking everything in to account, at the end of the day myself and fatherxmas never even mentioned if and when the print would be sold in the future, if I had of been asked then to be honest it's his property and he can do what he likes. Obviously I would have been happier to know that he liked it enough to want to keep it and put it on his wall but thats life, it's not up to me to dictate what happens. The world of street and urban art seems to be so much more cut throat than any other art movement in existence or that has taken place in the past, artwork changes hands very frequently and people often have much larger collections than they typically would have if they were collecting for instance; abstract expressionism or sculpture. Ok it's not always acceptable but it does seem to be par for the course which is why I didn't feel the need to give any thought to the future of this print. At the end of the day, hopefully the new owner will enjoy having it on their wall and it will raise some money for charity. I will be now concentrating on my own work as I have more than enough of that to be getting on with - Urban Angel are keeping me very busy
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by Philippe on Feb 25, 2009 18:23:01 GMT 1, When I was in chat with xmas to sell a print, which he inevitably dropped out of, I remember him saying something about having to go out with his mate for his 22nd birthday? I highly doubt the blokes above 30 although he could have an Aston Martin but based on his dface & TLP collection I highly doubt it, hahaha.
When I was in chat with xmas to sell a print, which he inevitably dropped out of, I remember him saying something about having to go out with his mate for his 22nd birthday? I highly doubt the blokes above 30 although he could have an Aston Martin but based on his dface & TLP collection I highly doubt it, hahaha.
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by arcam on Feb 25, 2009 18:25:06 GMT 1, Well I think you did a cracking job. Not too keen on the original print but your take on it added to it's appeal. His loss at the end of the day, hopefully someone will buy it who'll enjoy it for what it is.
Well I think you did a cracking job. Not too keen on the original print but your take on it added to it's appeal. His loss at the end of the day, hopefully someone will buy it who'll enjoy it for what it is.
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by sixftjellybaby on Feb 25, 2009 18:31:58 GMT 1, Well done Oliver for rising above it and being a true gentleman, I wish you all the best for the future and itโs nice to see some good honest people who still have morals. Good luck with urban angel
Well done Oliver for rising above it and being a true gentleman, I wish you all the best for the future and itโs nice to see some good honest people who still have morals. Good luck with urban angel
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by fatherxmas on Feb 25, 2009 18:55:51 GMT 1, Well for the record its been pulled by ebay for use of spamming keywords like banksy/nick walker and dolk hmmmmm
even tho included in the deal was a bank, nick walker, and dolk card. So i dont understand where spamming comes involved.
With regards to "the dark one" what print was i meant to be buying from you and also when have i ever said i OWNED an aston martin.
I however said, i had one on order in which i then sold on (my build slot/limited edition car) I never saw the car at the dealership but did see the car in the producton line after my AM performance driving course.
Next question, you at the back
Well for the record its been pulled by ebay for use of spamming keywords like banksy/nick walker and dolk hmmmmm even tho included in the deal was a bank, nick walker, and dolk card. So i dont understand where spamming comes involved. With regards to "the dark one" what print was i meant to be buying from you and also when have i ever said i OWNED an aston martin. I however said, i had one on order in which i then sold on (my build slot/limited edition car) I never saw the car at the dealership but did see the car in the producton line after my AM performance driving course. Next question, you at the back
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by Philippe on Feb 25, 2009 19:13:14 GMT 1, first off, it's Dank and second they were a couple of Micallef's that you "just had to have" but I guess you had to have something else like a couple d*face cli che's so you decided to stop responding to our conversation...was a shame because a good friend, photo recommended you but I guess he too realized shortly after that your nothing but a t*t.
first off, it's Dank and second they were a couple of Micallef's that you "just had to have" but I guess you had to have something else like a couple d*face cli che's so you decided to stop responding to our conversation...was a shame because a good friend, photo recommended you but I guess he too realized shortly after that your nothing but a t*t.
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by Deleted on Feb 25, 2009 20:22:58 GMT 1, Lets call that quits then for ABBA.
lol ;D
Lets call that quits then for ABBA. lol ;D
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by fatherxmas on Feb 25, 2009 20:31:17 GMT 1, Oh sorry, Well i should of been up front and saw them dropping liek flys and decided against them Im just curious tho, where did i say i OWNED an Aston Martin.
Oh sorry, Well i should of been up front and saw them dropping liek flys and decided against them Im just curious tho, where did i say i OWNED an Aston Martin.
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by Deleted on Feb 25, 2009 20:38:26 GMT 1, Wow! I laugh my tits off at the lot of you. You all spend half your time congratulating each other for the size of your portfolios then you b**ch at each other at the drop of a f**king hat. Who gives a f**k about who does what and who flips what? You're all f**king strangers to each other and spend far to long gassing on about crap whilst your wives/girlfriends sit and wonder if they will ever be satisfied by a middleaged boy that performs better on a PC in the study! Get over it, get a life, get off the PC and look after your missus. Alot of you spend far to long on ere! As much as I love it, there is more to life than Art!!! I'm at a loose end tonight so fill my evening with your comebacks!!!! Cheers guys!!!
Wow! I laugh my tits off at the lot of you. You all spend half your time congratulating each other for the size of your portfolios then you b**ch at each other at the drop of a f**king hat. Who gives a f**k about who does what and who flips what? You're all f**king strangers to each other and spend far to long gassing on about crap whilst your wives/girlfriends sit and wonder if they will ever be satisfied by a middleaged boy that performs better on a PC in the study! Get over it, get a life, get off the PC and look after your missus. Alot of you spend far to long on ere! As much as I love it, there is more to life than Art!!! I'm at a loose end tonight so fill my evening with your comebacks!!!! Cheers guys!!!
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by fatherxmas on Feb 25, 2009 20:41:54 GMT 1, w e s t w o o d
BRAP BRAP BRAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
w e s t w o o d
BRAP BRAP BRAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by Deleted on Feb 25, 2009 20:56:34 GMT 1, All the best Xmas, its a great finish to a great print. If you wanna sell it then thats up to you, fuck the witch hunters, they believe they have a say in your actions because they cant differentiate the difference bettween posting on this forum and real life, they seem to spend equal time bettween both. So Sad!!
All the best Xmas, its a great finish to a great print. If you wanna sell it then thats up to you, fuck the witch hunters, they believe they have a say in your actions because they cant differentiate the difference bettween posting on this forum and real life, they seem to spend equal time bettween both. So Sad!!
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by wiz on Feb 25, 2009 21:04:37 GMT 1, You know what Onetrick, your right there! i realise that i spend more time on here than outside!, wonder if there is a sad ba***rd alarm i can get for my computer that goes off now and again?
You know what Onetrick, your right there! i realise that i spend more time on here than outside!, wonder if there is a sad ba***rd alarm i can get for my computer that goes off now and again?
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by Deleted on Feb 25, 2009 22:54:55 GMT 1, Wow! I laugh my tits off at the lot of you. You all spend half your time congratulating each other for the size of your portfolios then you b**ch at each other at the drop of a f**king hat. Who gives a f**k about who does what and who flips what? You're all f**king strangers to each other and spend far to long gassing on about crap whilst your wives/girlfriends sit and wonder if they will ever be satisfied by a middleaged boy that performs better on a PC in the study! Get over it, get a life, get off the PC and look after your missus. Alot of you spend far to long on ere! As much as I love it, there is more to life than Art!!! I'm at a loose end tonight so fill my evening with your comebacks!!!! Cheers guys!!!
study, how posh!
Wow! I laugh my tits off at the lot of you. You all spend half your time congratulating each other for the size of your portfolios then you b**ch at each other at the drop of a f**king hat. Who gives a f**k about who does what and who flips what? You're all f**king strangers to each other and spend far to long gassing on about crap whilst your wives/girlfriends sit and wonder if they will ever be satisfied by a middleaged boy that performs better on a PC in the study! Get over it, get a life, get off the PC and look after your missus. Alot of you spend far to long on ere! As much as I love it, there is more to life than Art!!! I'm at a loose end tonight so fill my evening with your comebacks!!!! Cheers guys!!! study, how posh!
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by bullet on Feb 25, 2009 22:57:12 GMT 1, is this for real.
this is low low low low low low low low. flo-rida style
and no im nothing to do with anything like this, shocked as to why anyone would think that really.
is this for real.
this is low low low low low low low low. flo-rida style
and no im nothing to do with anything like this, shocked as to why anyone would think that really.
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by robinbanks on Feb 25, 2009 23:14:03 GMT 1, Wow! I laugh my tits off at the lot of you. You all spend half your time congratulating each other for the size of your portfolios then you b**ch at each other at the drop of a f**king hat. Who gives a f**k about who does what and who flips what? You're all f**king strangers to each other and spend far to long gassing on about crap whilst your wives/girlfriends sit and wonder if they will ever be satisfied by a middleaged boy that performs better on a PC in the study! Get over it, get a life, get off the PC and look after your missus. Alot of you spend far to long on ere! As much as I love it, there is more to life than Art!!! I'm at a loose end tonight so fill my evening with your comebacks!!!! Cheers guys!!!
Well if fatherxmas is all take then I think we just found out who the giver is.
Wow! I laugh my tits off at the lot of you. You all spend half your time congratulating each other for the size of your portfolios then you b**ch at each other at the drop of a f**king hat. Who gives a f**k about who does what and who flips what? You're all f**king strangers to each other and spend far to long gassing on about crap whilst your wives/girlfriends sit and wonder if they will ever be satisfied by a middleaged boy that performs better on a PC in the study! Get over it, get a life, get off the PC and look after your missus. Alot of you spend far to long on ere! As much as I love it, there is more to life than Art!!! I'm at a loose end tonight so fill my evening with your comebacks!!!! Cheers guys!!! Well if fatherxmas is all take then I think we just found out who the giver is.
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by robinbanks on Feb 25, 2009 23:17:03 GMT 1, All the best Xmas, its a great finish to a great print. If you wanna sell it then thats up to you, f**k the witch hunters, they believe they have a say in your actions because they cant differentiate the difference bettween posting on this forum and real life, they seem to spend equal time bettween both. So Sad!!
Do you realise you're talking to a man who has posted around 1600 comments in little over a year?
You really do just keep on giving don't you.
All the best Xmas, its a great finish to a great print. If you wanna sell it then thats up to you, f**k the witch hunters, they believe they have a say in your actions because they cant differentiate the difference bettween posting on this forum and real life, they seem to spend equal time bettween both. So Sad!! Do you realise you're talking to a man who has posted around 1600 comments in little over a year? You really do just keep on giving don't you.
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by howler on Feb 26, 2009 12:20:33 GMT 1, All the best Xmas, its a great finish to a great print. If you wanna sell it then thats up to you, f**k the witch hunters, they believe they have a say in your actions because they cant differentiate the difference bettween posting on this forum and real life, they seem to spend equal time bettween both. So Sad!!
Yes someone can do what they please with their own property but you miss the point that many are making. A forum is supposed to be part of an online COMMUNITY, now there are many ways of defining the many different communities in our society but you'll find that most have an expectation that you don't shit on your own. Xmas came here with his sob story and begged a favour which was done for him, he then mocked those who (supposedly) tried to buy it from him in order to create the idea that he's morally superior to the rest of us before sneaking off to try and grab as much cash as he could.
Now personally I don't see why you'd do this to an expensive art work, I'd rather restore or claim on my insurance, but others here have said they'd possibly like to do this. Oliver has already intimated he'd be unwilling to go down this route and someone else has expressed concern that an artist will reconsider doing the same for them, therefore Xmas has by his actions denied this opportunity to others.
Far from showing how sad we all are your post just seems to sum up what a selfish lonely money grubbing person you are. I don't especially like some of the posters in this thread but you know what I wouldn't use this place to take advantage of them just for profit and wouldn't expect them to try and stitch me up even if they don't like me. They might be twats but they're my twats and I might be a twat but I'm their twat and when it comes down to it we should all stick up for what is right and condemn that which harms our community.
All the best Xmas, its a great finish to a great print. If you wanna sell it then thats up to you, f**k the witch hunters, they believe they have a say in your actions because they cant differentiate the difference bettween posting on this forum and real life, they seem to spend equal time bettween both. So Sad!! Yes someone can do what they please with their own property but you miss the point that many are making. A forum is supposed to be part of an online COMMUNITY, now there are many ways of defining the many different communities in our society but you'll find that most have an expectation that you don't s hit on your own. Xmas came here with his sob story and begged a favour which was done for him, he then mocked those who (supposedly) tried to buy it from him in order to create the idea that he's morally superior to the rest of us before sneaking off to try and grab as much cash as he could. Now personally I don't see why you'd do this to an expensive art work, I'd rather restore or claim on my insurance, but others here have said they'd possibly like to do this. Oliver has already intimated he'd be unwilling to go down this route and someone else has expressed concern that an artist will reconsider doing the same for them, therefore Xmas has by his actions denied this opportunity to others. Far from showing how sad we all are your post just seems to sum up what a selfish lonely money grubbing person you are. I don't especially like some of the posters in this thread but you know what I wouldn't use this place to take advantage of them just for profit and wouldn't expect them to try and stitch me up even if they don't like me. They might be t wats but they're my t wats and I might be a t wat but I'm their t wat and when it comes down to it we should all stick up for what is right and condemn that which harms our community.
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by They call me Stephen on Feb 26, 2009 13:42:55 GMT 1, They might be t wats but they're my t wats and I might be a t wat but I'm their t wat
aww schucks...i love you too howler
but good point in all seriousness, you've shat on your own doorstep here fx and you can argue all you want about how little you care, but it's not really cool and i'm sure you've burnt bridges because of it. Did d*face really get back to you about how much he liked it? Wonder what he thinks now?? If your intention was to always sell it then you should have done so when people apparently pm'ed you about it
They might be t wats but they're my t wats and I might be a t wat but I'm their t wat aww schucks...i love you too howler but good point in all seriousness, you've shat on your own doorstep here fx and you can argue all you want about how little you care, but it's not really cool and i'm sure you've burnt bridges because of it. Did d*face really get back to you about how much he liked it? Wonder what he thinks now?? If your intention was to always sell it then you should have done so when people apparently pm'ed you about it
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by robinbanks on Feb 26, 2009 13:58:31 GMT 1, They might be t wats but they're my t wats and I might be a twat but I'm their t wat and when it comes down to it we should all stick up for what is right and condemn that which harms our community.
Maybe you should change your name to growler? ;D
They might be t wats but they're my t wats and I might be a twat but I'm their t wat and when it comes down to it we should all stick up for what is right and condemn that which harms our community. Maybe you should change your name to growler? ;D
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CLI CHE HAS BEEN DFACE BY OLIVER: DFACE LOVES IT:), by deckstar on Mar 13, 2009 22:39:03 GMT 1, Thank you for the kind offers (you know who you are lol) but this is not for sale. As its kind of an Original i guess! Xmas
TBH i think its a pretty c**tish thing to do frankly xmas, Oliver clearly did a good and very generous thing by redoing the back ground for your ruined print, then you turn around kissing his arse next thing we know its up on ebay for sale.
Oliver trust me there are more people interested in the art world than just greedy money makers!
Thank you for the kind offers (you know who you are lol) but this is not for sale. As its kind of an Original i guess! Xmas TBH i think its a pretty c**tish thing to do frankly xmas, Oliver clearly did a good and very generous thing by redoing the back ground for your ruined print, then you turn around kissing his arse next thing we know its up on ebay for sale. Oliver trust me there are more people interested in the art world than just greedy money makers!
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