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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by richy00 on Jul 23, 2009 11:59:04 GMT 1, the OP asked me to post this for him..
let the arguments commence.
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by richy00 on Jul 23, 2009 12:00:52 GMT 1, shall i start? ok
on the original there looks to be a bend or crease in the metal running diagonally from the rivet thing to the top right.. doesnt look to be evident on the OP's picture.
shall i start? ok
on the original there looks to be a bend or crease in the metal running diagonally from the rivet thing to the top right.. doesnt look to be evident on the OP's picture.
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by bullet on Jul 23, 2009 12:04:11 GMT 1, I have recieved over 40 messages
did a bull just shit?
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by richy00 on Jul 23, 2009 12:11:11 GMT 1, most of the scratches and marks are there to be honest.. it looks pretty "legit"
doesnt really matter to be honest as youll never get COA
most of the scratches and marks are there to be honest.. it looks pretty "legit"
doesnt really matter to be honest as youll never get COA
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by bazzj04 on Jul 23, 2009 12:14:27 GMT 1, yeah agree the scratches all look to be the same., maybe they pushed the dent along the top out who knows .
yeah agree the scratches all look to be the same., maybe they pushed the dent along the top out who knows .
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by bullet on Jul 23, 2009 12:15:46 GMT 1, the dent is not there as its been cloned out on photoshop if you look closely
the dent is not there as its been cloned out on photoshop if you look closely
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by richy00 on Jul 23, 2009 12:35:01 GMT 1, no photoshop..
look closer mr Jboy..
no photoshop..
look closer mr Jboy..
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by jakek on Jul 23, 2009 12:42:19 GMT 1, is it just me that thinks that this, real or not and arguements about removing street work aside, is ultimately just not a great banksy piece?
yeah, it's got the humour but it's not exactly eye pleasing is it? (i know a few pieces in the bristol show play on this - the badly drawn people and the work in the gold frame, but again, while it would be nice to own a banksy original i don't think they'ld be top of my list either).
i know there have been plenty of talk about hand cutting stencils v's machine cut regarding logan hick's work but i don't imagine this was hand cut.
if you're actually wanting to sell it surely approaching the people doing the london show would be a good bet - they seem to have no qualms about owning street pieces and some of the pieces there are far from his strongest work either. might be your best bet.
is it just me that thinks that this, real or not and arguements about removing street work aside, is ultimately just not a great banksy piece?
yeah, it's got the humour but it's not exactly eye pleasing is it? (i know a few pieces in the bristol show play on this - the badly drawn people and the work in the gold frame, but again, while it would be nice to own a banksy original i don't think they'ld be top of my list either).
i know there have been plenty of talk about hand cutting stencils v's machine cut regarding logan hick's work but i don't imagine this was hand cut.
if you're actually wanting to sell it surely approaching the people doing the london show would be a good bet - they seem to have no qualms about owning street pieces and some of the pieces there are far from his strongest work either. might be your best bet.
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by hero on Jul 23, 2009 12:57:33 GMT 1, id say it looks very similar....but the colour looks a little washed out on his one and also, it looks to me like the actual metal is slightly smaller than the original one...if you look at the text in relation to the right hand side, there seems to be a bit more of a gap on the original...if you follow
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id say it looks very similar....but the colour looks a little washed out on his one and also, it looks to me like the actual metal is slightly smaller than the original one...if you look at the text in relation to the right hand side, there seems to be a bit more of a gap on the original...if you follow
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by bullet on Jul 23, 2009 13:05:32 GMT 1, thats been cloned over, you can tell. grey smudgy bits
thats been cloned over, you can tell. grey smudgy bits
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by richy00 on Jul 23, 2009 13:09:32 GMT 1, no thats just a shit camera... if it had been photoshopped you would see the crease on the O....
no thats just a shit camera... if it had been photoshopped you would see the crease on the O....
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by bullet on Jul 23, 2009 13:11:10 GMT 1, how do you know so much stuff about it R?
how do you know so much stuff about it R?
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by richy00 on Jul 23, 2009 13:13:23 GMT 1, about what? that a picture hasnt been photoshopped??
because I have eyes.
about what? that a picture hasnt been photoshopped??
because I have eyes.
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by bullet on Jul 23, 2009 13:44:42 GMT 1, no...how you know it has been taken on a shit camera, why you are posting the pics on their behalf and how you know it actually has not been photoshopped.
no...how you know it has been taken on a shit camera, why you are posting the pics on their behalf and how you know it actually has not been photoshopped.
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by richy00 on Jul 23, 2009 13:52:44 GMT 1, if you look a bit furthur up it says email me the pics and ill post them... that was a nice gesture to the OP as he said he didnt know how..
shit camera... its not hard to tell, look at the quality.
not been photoshopped? because i spend alot of my day on photoshop retouching photos and i can tell, as i thought you would be able to too..
if you think this is mine then fair enough.. i would love to have this but if i did i would have sold it along time ago.. im only in this urban art thing for the profit remember
if you look a bit furthur up it says email me the pics and ill post them... that was a nice gesture to the OP as he said he didnt know how..
shit camera... its not hard to tell, look at the quality.
not been photoshopped? because i spend alot of my day on photoshop retouching photos and i can tell, as i thought you would be able to too..
if you think this is mine then fair enough.. i would love to have this but if i did i would have sold it along time ago.. im only in this urban art thing for the profit remember
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by trasbash on Jul 23, 2009 14:16:13 GMT 1, Im responsible for the pic. I can assure you that its not photoshopped. Last time i used a design program it was deluxe paint on the Amiga, and i was 11. Will get some better quality shots asap. Cheers for posting it anyhow Richy.
Im responsible for the pic. I can assure you that its not photoshopped. Last time i used a design program it was deluxe paint on the Amiga, and i was 11. Will get some better quality shots asap. Cheers for posting it anyhow Richy.
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by snausages on Jul 23, 2009 14:57:43 GMT 1, why doesn't it surprise me that mr big bucks, mr fine art, doesn't get why it's out of order to sell street pieces everything has a price eh disappointing
And why am I the only one to consider why maybe people shouldn't force their "art" on to the public and cause hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage that private citizens have to pay for each year? And why can't you see the contradiction and hypocrisy that happens when vandals who cause millions in damage every year get upset when someone sells one of their "works of art" that they don't even own anyway and call them criminals? I don't want to argue if either is right or wrong, I'm just saying you look like an elitist hypocrite if you think one is ok but the other is not.
Everything has a price? I'm not the one obsessed about money in this thread, I do however think that the positive that comes out of this situation is that you have a historic piece that can and should be preserved. If you actually read what I was saying maybe you would have noticed "mr big bucks" didn't say a thing about how much this is worth nor did I imply it will be worth millions, etc. I did however say it is a historical piece and artifact (even if PC doesn't give it a blessing) and in that aspect more important than the majority of things you see on this forum every day.
why doesn't it surprise me that mr big bucks, mr fine art, doesn't get why it's out of order to sell street pieces everything has a price eh disappointing And why am I the only one to consider why maybe people shouldn't force their "art" on to the public and cause hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage that private citizens have to pay for each year? And why can't you see the contradiction and hypocrisy that happens when vandals who cause millions in damage every year get upset when someone sells one of their "works of art" that they don't even own anyway and call them criminals? I don't want to argue if either is right or wrong, I'm just saying you look like an elitist hypocrite if you think one is ok but the other is not. Everything has a price? I'm not the one obsessed about money in this thread, I do however think that the positive that comes out of this situation is that you have a historic piece that can and should be preserved. If you actually read what I was saying maybe you would have noticed "mr big bucks" didn't say a thing about how much this is worth nor did I imply it will be worth millions, etc. I did however say it is a historical piece and artifact (even if PC doesn't give it a blessing) and in that aspect more important than the majority of things you see on this forum every day. |
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by snausages on Jul 23, 2009 15:31:15 GMT 1, snausages - you should re-read my post, you notice the "?" symbol, and there were a few of them - this symbol is used when a question is being asked. Questions which you still havent answered, but hey ho, you always seem to get on the defensive all too abruptly.
Questions I still haven't answered? Like what. Anyway, I'll humour you and reread your post...
Me abrupt and defensive? This was your first post! To compare and contrast, my first post was simply an old adage about how items that many find worthless (as jboy implied) can still bring joy to others.
Funny how everyone else here is obsessed about money. The fact that you said "bargain" is just what you read into that citation. Many "treasures" are really worthless and banal items, especially true when used in that phrase. For you to put it in terms of money shows where your personal interest lies, not mine.
Do you think this piece will just go away? Do you really think it matters if Pest Control bless it or not even long after Banksy's dead? Whether it gets that blessing or not it still is what it is.
This is more akin to a historical artifact you see in a history museum, not a work of art. It may be worthless as a "work of art" but you don't really need PC to verify if it's real or not. It is a historical piece and will forever remain that way.
And really, if PC wants this back, they could just pay up for it and destroy it themselves, if that's what they want to do so be it. If not they're out of luck.
Of course I'll agree that street work is better on the street and works better in that situation than a white box. But does that mean the work is useless and meaningless out of context? You better tell whoever wrote that article to run down to the British Museum and tell them that all those artifacts are crap and worthless because they aren't in their original "context" of Alexandria, Athens or Rome and the great Caesar's authentication board didn't want it authenticated even after he was dead!
snausages - you should re-read my post, you notice the "?" symbol, and there were a few of them - this symbol is used when a question is being asked. Questions which you still havent answered, but hey ho, you always seem to get on the defensive all too abruptly. Questions I still haven't answered? Like what. Anyway, I'll humour you and reread your post... Me abrupt and defensive? This was your first post! To compare and contrast, my first post was simply an old adage about how items that many find worthless (as jboy implied) can still bring joy to others. Funny how everyone else here is obsessed about money. The fact that you said "bargain" is just what you read into that citation. Many "treasures" are really worthless and banal items, especially true when used in that phrase. For you to put it in terms of money shows where your personal interest lies, not mine. Do you think this piece will just go away? Do you really think it matters if Pest Control bless it or not even long after Banksy's dead? Whether it gets that blessing or not it still is what it is. This is more akin to a historical artifact you see in a history museum, not a work of art. It may be worthless as a "work of art" but you don't really need PC to verify if it's real or not. It is a historical piece and will forever remain that way. And really, if PC wants this back, they could just pay up for it and destroy it themselves, if that's what they want to do so be it. If not they're out of luck. Of course I'll agree that street work is better on the street and works better in that situation than a white box. But does that mean the work is useless and meaningless out of context? You better tell whoever wrote that article to run down to the British Museum and tell them that all those artifacts are crap and worthless because they aren't in their original "context" of Alexandria, Athens or Rome and the great Caesar's authentication board didn't want it authenticated even after he was dead! |
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by schlomo on Jul 23, 2009 15:54:01 GMT 1, you both make good points, but struggle to post your thoughts up without sounding insulting. Why the hate on this forum?
This is an interesting thread as shows that people have different views when it comes to street work, just wish people could rationally put their opinions across without sounding like they think their view is the correct one and everyone elses is wrong. Yes its a bit of history, and would be a great inclusion to a collection if the collector doesnt mind the fact that it MAY not be real. No its not going to get authenticated, so if you're looking to buy as an investment it probably isnt a great thing to go for, especially at the price indicated....
Whilst we're on the British Museum subject, they actually work very hard to make sure items brought into them are returned to the rightful owner, be it country or individual, and are often involved in dispute cases involving antiquities. They also work very hard to maintain items thousands of years old and offer people a chance to view them in, as far as they can, something resembling the original context of how they were when first created.... (i dont work for them by the by).....
you both make good points, but struggle to post your thoughts up without sounding insulting. Why the hate on this forum?
This is an interesting thread as shows that people have different views when it comes to street work, just wish people could rationally put their opinions across without sounding like they think their view is the correct one and everyone elses is wrong. Yes its a bit of history, and would be a great inclusion to a collection if the collector doesnt mind the fact that it MAY not be real. No its not going to get authenticated, so if you're looking to buy as an investment it probably isnt a great thing to go for, especially at the price indicated....
Whilst we're on the British Museum subject, they actually work very hard to make sure items brought into them are returned to the rightful owner, be it country or individual, and are often involved in dispute cases involving antiquities. They also work very hard to maintain items thousands of years old and offer people a chance to view them in, as far as they can, something resembling the original context of how they were when first created.... (i dont work for them by the by).....
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by snausages on Jul 23, 2009 16:07:39 GMT 1, you both make good points, but struggle to post your thoughts up without sounding insulting. Why the hate on this forum? This is an interesting thread as shows that people have different views when it comes to street work, just wish people could rationally put their opinions across without sounding like they think their view is the correct one and everyone elses is wrong. Yes its a bit of history, and would be a great inclusion to a collection if the collector doesnt mind the fact that it MAY not be real. No its not going to get authenticated, so if you're looking to buy as an investment it probably isnt a great thing to go for, especially at the price indicated.... Whilst we're on the British Museum subject, they actually work very hard to make sure items brought into them are returned to the rightful owner, be it country or individual, and are often involved in dispute cases involving antiquities. They also work very hard to maintain items thousands of years old and offer people a chance to view them in, as far as they can, something resembling the original context of how they were when first created.... (i dont work for them by the by).....
Good point, edited to hopefully make less insulting, I agree that it's not worth a faction of what this guy thinks it is, and I'm not endorsing this as real or not, should obviously be inspected and compared very carefully before acquiring.
you both make good points, but struggle to post your thoughts up without sounding insulting. Why the hate on this forum? This is an interesting thread as shows that people have different views when it comes to street work, just wish people could rationally put their opinions across without sounding like they think their view is the correct one and everyone elses is wrong. Yes its a bit of history, and would be a great inclusion to a collection if the collector doesnt mind the fact that it MAY not be real. No its not going to get authenticated, so if you're looking to buy as an investment it probably isnt a great thing to go for, especially at the price indicated.... Whilst we're on the British Museum subject, they actually work very hard to make sure items brought into them are returned to the rightful owner, be it country or individual, and are often involved in dispute cases involving antiquities. They also work very hard to maintain items thousands of years old and offer people a chance to view them in, as far as they can, something resembling the original context of how they were when first created.... (i dont work for them by the by)..... Good point, edited to hopefully make less insulting, I agree that it's not worth a faction of what this guy thinks it is, and I'm not endorsing this as real or not, should obviously be inspected and compared very carefully before acquiring. |
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by Curley on Jul 23, 2009 16:20:10 GMT 1, Whilst we're on the British Museum subject, they actually work very hard to make sure items brought into them are returned to the rightful owner, be it country or individual, and are often involved in dispute cases involving antiquities. They also work very hard to maintain items thousands of years old and offer people a chance to view them in, as far as they can, something resembling the original context of how they were when first created.... (i dont work for them by the by).....
Sorry but im not so sure about the British museum returning things to whom they belong...
IMO The Elgin Marbles belong in Greece and not in London.
Whilst we're on the British Museum subject, they actually work very hard to make sure items brought into them are returned to the rightful owner, be it country or individual, and are often involved in dispute cases involving antiquities. They also work very hard to maintain items thousands of years old and offer people a chance to view them in, as far as they can, something resembling the original context of how they were when first created.... (i dont work for them by the by)..... Sorry but im not so sure about the British museum returning things to whom they belong... IMO The Elgin Marbles belong in Greece and not in London. |
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by schlomo on Jul 23, 2009 16:30:14 GMT 1, Haha, no editing took place S matey, just enjoy debates like this without the insults flying around. You both know your stuff and make good points so dont see the need for hostility.
Curley i stand corrected, many things in there should be elsewhere. I should have said they have, on occasion, worked hard to return items to their rightful owner...
Haha, no editing took place S matey, just enjoy debates like this without the insults flying around. You both know your stuff and make good points so dont see the need for hostility.
Curley i stand corrected, many things in there should be elsewhere. I should have said they have, on occasion, worked hard to return items to their rightful owner...
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by Curley on Jul 23, 2009 16:38:38 GMT 1, Haha, no editing took place S matey, just enjoy debates like this without the insults flying around. You both know your stuff and make good points so dont see the need for hostility. Curley i stand corrected. Many things in there should be elsewhere, however they have on occasion worked hard to return items to their rightful owner...
only pulling yer leg anyway 
as reagrds this whole street art staying on the street thing, my feeling is that its put there for all our benefit not just for the benefit of the person who thinks he can just take it and then sell it for the highest price. I feel they are stealing from us all and i think a few others feel the same hence why these debates are always some what heated.
Haha, no editing took place S matey, just enjoy debates like this without the insults flying around. You both know your stuff and make good points so dont see the need for hostility. Curley i stand corrected. Many things in there should be elsewhere, however they have on occasion worked hard to return items to their rightful owner... only pulling yer leg anyway as reagrds this whole street art staying on the street thing, my feeling is that its put there for all our benefit not just for the benefit of the person who thinks he can just take it and then sell it for the highest price. I feel they are stealing from us all and i think a few others feel the same hence why these debates are always some what heated. |
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by Deleted on Jul 23, 2009 16:42:22 GMT 1, and rightly so - defending the theft of street pieces in my eyes is tantamount to missing the whole point of what this scene is about
was once about prior to all morals and principles being left behind in order to make some cash
and rightly so - defending the theft of street pieces in my eyes is tantamount to missing the whole point of what this scene is about
was once about prior to all morals and principles being left behind in order to make some cash
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by richy00 on Jul 23, 2009 16:44:52 GMT 1, if the british museum would like to return the samurai sword which belonged to my grandpa after he took it in form or surrender from a japanese general that would be nice..
as regards to the banksy, i have no doubt its real, i would love to have it on my wall, but as its never going to get COA etc im not going to pay more than a few hundred.
if the british museum would like to return the samurai sword which belonged to my grandpa after he took it in form or surrender from a japanese general that would be nice..
as regards to the banksy, i have no doubt its real, i would love to have it on my wall, but as its never going to get COA etc im not going to pay more than a few hundred.
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by hero on Jul 23, 2009 16:46:38 GMT 1, richy....if you have 'no doubt its real' and your only going to keep it on your wall, and not sell it on at any point, then where is the need for a coa?
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richy....if you have 'no doubt its real' and your only going to keep it on your wall, and not sell it on at any point, then where is the need for a coa?
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by Pure Evil on Jul 23, 2009 16:50:11 GMT 1, Check this guy out... He's been taking REVS pieces off the NY street's willy nilly and he thinks he is justified.... I think he is a major a-hole... www.flickr.com/photos/37148837@N08/3721061913/
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Original Banksy for sale - Bear and Bees, by wizzy on Jul 23, 2009 16:50:20 GMT 1, Try posting on the correct thread Japanthriller.
Try posting on the correct thread Japanthriller.
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