rillo
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by rillo on Apr 29, 2008 10:43:59 GMT 1, Anyone use perspex rather than glass to frame pieces? Can work well with big frames as they are then a lot lighter. John Jones use it for some pieces they do so it can still be as good conservation wise.
Yes Pez, I have a few thing using perspex instead of glass.
Anyone use perspex rather than glass to frame pieces? Can work well with big frames as they are then a lot lighter. John Jones use it for some pieces they do so it can still be as good conservation wise. Yes Pez, I have a few thing using perspex instead of glass.
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by sahoria on Apr 29, 2008 10:46:58 GMT 1, heavyconsumer - hello thank you for the link will read through that now.... i hope you are doing well also....
robotoil - thanks for the art pieces you posted up look really amazing...you must be very happy...i would be proud to have those pieces up on my walls...
lee3 - isopropyl alcohol havent heard of before but will google and see what comes up, how long have you used this? is it strong odour to it or not to much?
JP - thank you for that, does actually help compare all the ones available but think need to do more research on each type... was nice to get ratings on there though...
funyoung - acrylic optium does i agree look like a good option also... i didnt even think about the weight factor but pezlow was completely right... thanks for bringing that to my attention also...so much to go through but thank you for the links really appreciate it...s
heavyconsumer - hello thank you for the link will read through that now.... i hope you are doing well also....
robotoil - thanks for the art pieces you posted up look really amazing...you must be very happy...i would be proud to have those pieces up on my walls...
lee3 - isopropyl alcohol havent heard of before but will google and see what comes up, how long have you used this? is it strong odour to it or not to much?
JP - thank you for that, does actually help compare all the ones available but think need to do more research on each type... was nice to get ratings on there though...
funyoung - acrylic optium does i agree look like a good option also... i didnt even think about the weight factor but pezlow was completely right... thanks for bringing that to my attention also...so much to go through but thank you for the links really appreciate it...s
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by sahoria on Apr 29, 2008 10:47:52 GMT 1, rillo - really love the grin reaper, looks amazing to be honest....s
rillo - really love the grin reaper, looks amazing to be honest....s
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rillo
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by rillo on Apr 29, 2008 10:57:46 GMT 1, rillo - really love the grin reaper, looks amazing to be honest....s
Thanks Sahoria, using a perspex box for the reaper was for aesthetic reasons but using perspex for the applause was a weight issue as it is hung on a paper thin stud wall.
rillo - really love the grin reaper, looks amazing to be honest....s Thanks Sahoria, using a perspex box for the reaper was for aesthetic reasons but using perspex for the applause was a weight issue as it is hung on a paper thin stud wall.
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by sahoria on Apr 29, 2008 11:10:31 GMT 1, really didnt think of weight being issue but glad it has been brought up... the reaper always something i loved just shame missed out at the time...perspex never thought of before but looking on net and alot of people rate it highly... s
really didnt think of weight being issue but glad it has been brought up... the reaper always something i loved just shame missed out at the time...perspex never thought of before but looking on net and alot of people rate it highly... s
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dotdot
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by dotdot on Apr 29, 2008 11:12:39 GMT 1, Does anyone have any photos of JD using MG ?
misterframe ? how much would that roughly cost ?
tia
Does anyone have any photos of JD using MG ?
misterframe ? how much would that roughly cost ?
tia
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lee3
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by lee3 on Apr 29, 2008 15:53:10 GMT 1, >>>lee3 - isopropyl alcohol havent heard of before but will google and see what comes up, how long have you used this? is it strong odour to it or not to much?<<<<
I've used it for 5 or 6 years on my older framed pieces. It's just rubbing alcohol and available at markets around the globe for under $2. It does't have a stong smell and evaporates rather quickly. Pour a little on the glass and rub clean with a soft cloth.
>>>lee3 - isopropyl alcohol havent heard of before but will google and see what comes up, how long have you used this? is it strong odour to it or not to much?<<<<
I've used it for 5 or 6 years on my older framed pieces. It's just rubbing alcohol and available at markets around the globe for under $2. It does't have a stong smell and evaporates rather quickly. Pour a little on the glass and rub clean with a soft cloth.
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by sahoria on Apr 29, 2008 16:00:07 GMT 1, thank you for that, like to have everything clean so little smudge would really annoy me... fantastic response from alot of people on the forum... thank you heavy consumer also for the link to the other thread alot of information there to go through.
thank you all...s
thank you for that, like to have everything clean so little smudge would really annoy me... fantastic response from alot of people on the forum... thank you heavy consumer also for the link to the other thread alot of information there to go through.
thank you all...s
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by jonpud on Apr 29, 2008 16:08:27 GMT 1, Without any hesitation I would use Anti reflection U/V glass if you really want to show all the detail in your print. It is expensive but on certain prints it is well worth the money, it's allmost as if there is no glass there! If you go to your local framers they should be able to show you the glass side by side with ordinary glass, you will be able to see the difference for yourself!
Both of the following were 'glazed' with Anti Reflection White Water u?v, photo's don't really give the true effect, however you can see the effect on the 21stCL by the minimal reflection of my camera flash (small purple dot) I would never have been able to take this photo full on with ordinary glass!
Without any hesitation I would use Anti reflection U/V glass if you really want to show all the detail in your print. It is expensive but on certain prints it is well worth the money, it's allmost as if there is no glass there! If you go to your local framers they should be able to show you the glass side by side with ordinary glass, you will be able to see the difference for yourself! Both of the following were 'glazed' with Anti Reflection White Water u?v, photo's don't really give the true effect, however you can see the effect on the 21stCL by the minimal reflection of my camera flash (small purple dot) I would never have been able to take this photo full on with ordinary glass!
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by sahoria on Apr 29, 2008 16:15:35 GMT 1, thank you PUD looks very nice i must say... i think your right about going into framers and seeing side by side... i think what you said about he flash of your camera really impressed me as i have so many times before tried to take pictures and the flash just bounces off the glass... so many different types of glass was little surprised but so nice to see examples from other forum members and advice about cleaning the glass also... s
thank you PUD looks very nice i must say... i think your right about going into framers and seeing side by side... i think what you said about he flash of your camera really impressed me as i have so many times before tried to take pictures and the flash just bounces off the glass... so many different types of glass was little surprised but so nice to see examples from other forum members and advice about cleaning the glass also... s
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curiousgeorge
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by curiousgeorge on Apr 29, 2008 17:59:18 GMT 1,
That might give you a rough idea, I've got bunches of off-cuts of various brands.Soon i hope knock up some standard a4 frames and use 6 different types/brands of glass in each frame to give people a better idea of what each glass can look like.
Watch this space
That might give you a rough idea, I've got bunches of off-cuts of various brands.Soon i hope knock up some standard a4 frames and use 6 different types/brands of glass in each frame to give people a better idea of what each glass can look like. Watch this space
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funster
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by funster on Apr 29, 2008 18:02:25 GMT 1, I've only given two of my prints the pleasure of Museum quality glass, but if I had no financial limitations I'd use it every time. IMO it's in a different class... of glass
I've only given two of my prints the pleasure of Museum quality glass, but if I had no financial limitations I'd use it every time. IMO it's in a different class... of glass
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by sahoria on Apr 29, 2008 18:08:02 GMT 1, cg - that looks really great... look forward to seeing the a4 frames once ready can see difference from the photo but guess nothing compares to actually seeing it... ...s
cg - that looks really great... look forward to seeing the a4 frames once ready can see difference from the photo but guess nothing compares to actually seeing it... ...s
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robotoil
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by robotoil on Apr 29, 2008 19:03:24 GMT 1, curiousgeorge, Can you add a link to a high res shot? The photo here doesn't give your effort its due. Thanks.
curiousgeorge, Can you add a link to a high res shot? The photo here doesn't give your effort its due. Thanks.
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dodge
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by dodge on May 8, 2008 19:11:03 GMT 1, I got some prints recently and was wondering whether or not they are worth the extra expense of getting UV glass. They are Evan Hecox/Shepard Fairey prints that only cost around £75 each.
All my Banksy's are UV framed as I don't want to risk them fading but I am getting conflicting advice from different framers. One framer said it is not worth the extra expense unless they are going to be hanging in direct sunlight all day every day (they are not). Another said that even normal light will damage prints unless your curtains are permanently drawn. Someone even said that UV glass doesn't make a massive amount of difference and prints will always fade no matter what!
Most of my cheaper prints (up to value of £250) just have normal glass in them and I don't fancy the cost of getting them replaced.....
Anbody got any wise words?
I got some prints recently and was wondering whether or not they are worth the extra expense of getting UV glass. They are Evan Hecox/Shepard Fairey prints that only cost around £75 each. All my Banksy's are UV framed as I don't want to risk them fading but I am getting conflicting advice from different framers. One framer said it is not worth the extra expense unless they are going to be hanging in direct sunlight all day every day (they are not). Another said that even normal light will damage prints unless your curtains are permanently drawn. Someone even said that UV glass doesn't make a massive amount of difference and prints will always fade no matter what! Most of my cheaper prints (up to value of £250) just have normal glass in them and I don't fancy the cost of getting them replaced..... Anbody got any wise words?
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by daley on May 8, 2008 19:53:51 GMT 1, I don't know the answer to your puzzle as I'm not over knowledgeable of the pigment quality used in general screen printing inks - or spray paint for that matter. I don't think printing ink of any kind has been produced to last hundreds of years without fading.
Good quality oil paints on the other hand should not fade if kept out of direct sunlight. I always recommend that buyers keep my work out of direct sunlight.
I don't know the answer to your puzzle as I'm not over knowledgeable of the pigment quality used in general screen printing inks - or spray paint for that matter. I don't think printing ink of any kind has been produced to last hundreds of years without fading.
Good quality oil paints on the other hand should not fade if kept out of direct sunlight. I always recommend that buyers keep my work out of direct sunlight.
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dodge
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by dodge on May 8, 2008 20:16:14 GMT 1, I don't know the answer to your puzzle as I'm not over knowledgeable of the pigment quality used in general screen printing inks - or spray paint for that matter. I don't think printing ink of any kind has been produced to last hundreds of years without fading. Good quality oil paints on the other hand should not fade if kept out of direct sunlight. I always recommend that buyers keep my work out of direct sunlight.
Cheers.
Just realised there is a thread on this subject in the framing section
I don't know the answer to your puzzle as I'm not over knowledgeable of the pigment quality used in general screen printing inks - or spray paint for that matter. I don't think printing ink of any kind has been produced to last hundreds of years without fading. Good quality oil paints on the other hand should not fade if kept out of direct sunlight. I always recommend that buyers keep my work out of direct sunlight. Cheers. Just realised there is a thread on this subject in the framing section
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curiousgeorge
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by curiousgeorge on May 8, 2008 21:34:27 GMT 1, For me some will see it as over the top, but i like the peace of mind quality glass brings, and also it's appearance.
I divide the cost of the glass over the years of enjoyment it will bring,i apply this to prints half the price of you speak of. Maybe i should stop the ocd with glass
For me some will see it as over the top, but i like the peace of mind quality glass brings, and also it's appearance. I divide the cost of the glass over the years of enjoyment it will bring,i apply this to prints half the price of you speak of. Maybe i should stop the ocd with glass
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dodge
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by dodge on May 8, 2008 21:56:08 GMT 1, For me some will see it as over the top, but i like the peace of mind quality glass brings, and also it's appearance. I divide the cost of the glass over the years of enjoyment it will bring,i apply this to prints half the price of you speak of. Maybe i should stop the ocd with glass
I think I have just joined your OCD club. I just got a quote to get my old prints upgraded to new glass! ha ha.
For me some will see it as over the top, but i like the peace of mind quality glass brings, and also it's appearance. I divide the cost of the glass over the years of enjoyment it will bring,i apply this to prints half the price of you speak of. Maybe i should stop the ocd with glass I think I have just joined your OCD club. I just got a quote to get my old prints upgraded to new glass! ha ha.
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angryboy
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by angryboy on May 8, 2008 22:04:07 GMT 1, Last time I got a print framed the framer pretty much refused to put UV glass in, just wouldn't take the extra money of me. Said it was completely OTT, looked crap and he only used it if he really had to, the print was going to be in direct sun or lit with bright spotlights facing straight on to it. Said his opinion is the same when he's framing Hockney and Warhol pieces for museums.
Last time I got a print framed the framer pretty much refused to put UV glass in, just wouldn't take the extra money of me. Said it was completely OTT, looked crap and he only used it if he really had to, the print was going to be in direct sun or lit with bright spotlights facing straight on to it. Said his opinion is the same when he's framing Hockney and Warhol pieces for museums.
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Tiki
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by Tiki on Jul 10, 2008 13:44:09 GMT 1, Can anyone direct me to the reasons to why people use this rather than standard glass when framing there prints. I really dont understand it! surely if you want to maintain a print and keep it from dulling the best thing to use is regular glass as it is reflective and stops the print absorbing the light as apposed to non reflective which does the exact opposite? Anyone?
Can anyone direct me to the reasons to why people use this rather than standard glass when framing there prints. I really dont understand it! surely if you want to maintain a print and keep it from dulling the best thing to use is regular glass as it is reflective and stops the print absorbing the light as apposed to non reflective which does the exact opposite? Anyone?
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bert
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by bert on Jul 10, 2008 13:51:23 GMT 1, It's to make viewing the print more appealing - you won't get light reflecting off the glass when looking at it which can affect your view of the print. For example, trying to look at a computer monitor next to a sunny window is harder than if the lights in the room are dulled.
It's to make viewing the print more appealing - you won't get light reflecting off the glass when looking at it which can affect your view of the print. For example, trying to look at a computer monitor next to a sunny window is harder than if the lights in the room are dulled.
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spirit
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by spirit on Jul 10, 2008 13:51:43 GMT 1, You seem to be mixing up 2 different things here
Non reflective glass stop reflections, therefore (in theory) you see the image more clearly because you are not seeing everything in the surrounding environment reflected in the glass. In practice, cheaper non reflective glass achieves it's non reflectivity by actually being slightly textured so although it does not reflect light it is not as clear as normal glass. If you want both non reflectivity and clarity then you need Museum glass but this is very expensive.
If you want to ensure that your print is not damaged by light then you need UV glass, not non reflective glass (which is chosen for aesthetic purposes as described above). UV glass prevents most of the damaging/bleaching UV spectrum light from reaching the print and therefore preserves it.
You seem to be mixing up 2 different things here
Non reflective glass stop reflections, therefore (in theory) you see the image more clearly because you are not seeing everything in the surrounding environment reflected in the glass. In practice, cheaper non reflective glass achieves it's non reflectivity by actually being slightly textured so although it does not reflect light it is not as clear as normal glass. If you want both non reflectivity and clarity then you need Museum glass but this is very expensive.
If you want to ensure that your print is not damaged by light then you need UV glass, not non reflective glass (which is chosen for aesthetic purposes as described above). UV glass prevents most of the damaging/bleaching UV spectrum light from reaching the print and therefore preserves it.
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by rosstierney on Jul 10, 2008 13:56:57 GMT 1, therefore non-reflective uv glass is the way forward if you haven't got the green for museum
therefore non-reflective uv glass is the way forward if you haven't got the green for museum
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Tiki
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by Tiki on Jul 10, 2008 14:21:13 GMT 1, good info cheers for that guys.
good info cheers for that guys.
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by grantb on Jul 10, 2008 14:28:32 GMT 1, therefore non-reflective uv glass is the way forward if you haven't got the green for museum
what i used for my lifes too short, had to really otherwise that would reflect everything possible.
therefore non-reflective uv glass is the way forward if you haven't got the green for museum what i used for my lifes too short, had to really otherwise that would reflect everything possible.
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by jonpud on Jul 10, 2008 15:34:56 GMT 1, It is also called 'whitewater' glass, I beleive it is produced without the lead content which is the product in glass making that causes reflection.
If you go to a 'good' framers they should have samples of ordinary and nonreflective glass in a small frame, when laid on your print the effects are unbeleivable, you can see the ordinary glass but you feel as though you can reach through and touch the print where the non reflective is!
When you add a uv filter to the non reflective, you actually cause it to reflect very slightly, reflected light becomes purple and green, those who wear glasses and pay extra for the anti glare coating will know what I mean!!
It is also called 'whitewater' glass, I beleive it is produced without the lead content which is the product in glass making that causes reflection.
If you go to a 'good' framers they should have samples of ordinary and nonreflective glass in a small frame, when laid on your print the effects are unbeleivable, you can see the ordinary glass but you feel as though you can reach through and touch the print where the non reflective is!
When you add a uv filter to the non reflective, you actually cause it to reflect very slightly, reflected light becomes purple and green, those who wear glasses and pay extra for the anti glare coating will know what I mean!!
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curiousgeorge
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by curiousgeorge on Jul 10, 2008 15:52:08 GMT 1, Non reflective is etched, thus you lose clarity with it
It's Museum glass that gives the 'oh my god where is the glass' effect
IMO use non reflective for stuff that is in direct light or prints that dont have fine detail.
Non reflective is etched, thus you lose clarity with it
It's Museum glass that gives the 'oh my god where is the glass' effect
IMO use non reflective for stuff that is in direct light or prints that dont have fine detail.
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robotoil
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by robotoil on Jul 10, 2008 16:34:46 GMT 1, I use museum glass when the pieces aren't too large. The glass is expensive and can double the price of framing in some cases. But, it's well worth it if you can manage.
I use museum glass when the pieces aren't too large. The glass is expensive and can double the price of framing in some cases. But, it's well worth it if you can manage.
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Standard
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UV Protection Glass • Museum Glass, by Standard on Oct 8, 2008 19:20:31 GMT 1, I have recently asked for approx a dozen framers for quotes on getting a (large frame conservation float mount thick ornate frame) job with museum UV glass with one wild quote asking for over £650, many around the £500 mark and a few down as low as £300. Needless to say I have gone for a good quote but have now been thrown a curve ball by the framer.
They have a new conservation glass UV called Mirorguard plus which they say is remarkable as you can not see the glass at all. It's around 84% against the museum 98% UV protection but they say is amazingly clear. It's around £290 against £340 on the Museum and I'm not sure what to go for. (It's for a denning original on paper) They claim this is clearer than the museum.
Has anyone seen this mirrorguard glass, purchased it?
For anyone interested .... the cheap end of the quotes where from (london and south):
framers (wimbledon - actually the cheapest by £40 but too late as I had already made arrangements) arch one otterspool studio and fish frames (who I have gone for as they are very close by) mr frameman was not bad but didn't get back to me on the final sizing
I have recently asked for approx a dozen framers for quotes on getting a (large frame conservation float mount thick ornate frame) job with museum UV glass with one wild quote asking for over £650, many around the £500 mark and a few down as low as £300. Needless to say I have gone for a good quote but have now been thrown a curve ball by the framer.
They have a new conservation glass UV called Mirorguard plus which they say is remarkable as you can not see the glass at all. It's around 84% against the museum 98% UV protection but they say is amazingly clear. It's around £290 against £340 on the Museum and I'm not sure what to go for. (It's for a denning original on paper) They claim this is clearer than the museum.
Has anyone seen this mirrorguard glass, purchased it?
For anyone interested .... the cheap end of the quotes where from (london and south):
framers (wimbledon - actually the cheapest by £40 but too late as I had already made arrangements) arch one otterspool studio and fish frames (who I have gone for as they are very close by) mr frameman was not bad but didn't get back to me on the final sizing
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