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give me your feedback on "slammer", by bert on Dec 24, 2009 11:00:26 GMT 1, Personally, I feel this forum has become one big sales hall (despite my thread today offering for sale some of my collection, I don't do it often), full of people who want to make a fast buck, and that includes quite a lot of "i am genuine" types who have lots of stars, and finally even the gallery guys just want to promote and advertise. I guess thats just the way it is, in some ways sad but in other ways globalisation and abuse of the internet at its worst. peace
Spot on, a good post. A forum is simply a reflection of its members...both in terms of good and bad. There's plenty of behaviour and posts on here that I find pretty sour and very obvious as to hidden agendas etc., but such is life...it's only the internet and some bits of paper so I don't particularly care.
I'd like to see Slammer back though, seemed a nice guy. Silky - go on, kiss and make up, tis the season to be jolly and all that! Offering the olive branch is the right thing to do more often than not.
Personally, I feel this forum has become one big sales hall (despite my thread today offering for sale some of my collection, I don't do it often), full of people who want to make a fast buck, and that includes quite a lot of "i am genuine" types who have lots of stars, and finally even the gallery guys just want to promote and advertise. I guess thats just the way it is, in some ways sad but in other ways globalisation and abuse of the internet at its worst. peace Spot on, a good post. A forum is simply a reflection of its members...both in terms of good and bad. There's plenty of behaviour and posts on here that I find pretty sour and very obvious as to hidden agendas etc., but such is life...it's only the internet and some bits of paper so I don't particularly care. I'd like to see Slammer back though, seemed a nice guy. Silky - go on, kiss and make up, tis the season to be jolly and all that! Offering the olive branch is the right thing to do more often than not.
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by curiousgeorge on Dec 24, 2009 11:10:03 GMT 1, On any given day you can read far worse comments on here
Look at Cartrain threads, still i guess in that case the comments are allowed as his 'management' deem it publicity of some sort. It is a bit insulting that if you show support you are a backstabber
I've been to more shows than i care to remember and yet to meet a person with a nice word to say about Admin, like a mug I'm always the first to stand up for i thought was bullying against him
Long and short of it is Admin does not like SPQR or Mike Dring so if wants to use his forum as a stick to beat them with, it's his call..
On any given day you can read far worse comments on here
Look at Cartrain threads, still i guess in that case the comments are allowed as his 'management' deem it publicity of some sort. It is a bit insulting that if you show support you are a backstabber
I've been to more shows than i care to remember and yet to meet a person with a nice word to say about Admin, like a mug I'm always the first to stand up for i thought was bullying against him
Long and short of it is Admin does not like SPQR or Mike Dring so if wants to use his forum as a stick to beat them with, it's his call..
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by veralynn on Dec 24, 2009 11:11:55 GMT 1, Un-f**king-believable......this is why i don't post / come onto the site as often as i used too. All a bit embarrassing tbh
Quite agree....isn't it a pity that someone who was one of the initial members of this forum feels the need to express an opinion like this?
Un-f**king-believable......this is why i don't post / come onto the site as often as i used too. All a bit embarrassing tbh Quite agree....isn't it a pity that someone who was one of the initial members of this forum feels the need to express an opinion like this?
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by leeoman on Dec 24, 2009 11:22:08 GMT 1, been away for a long weekend and it seems to have properly kicked off...what's happened to slammer, jboy and doublehelix??
Real shame about DH, don't think it was anything to do with Admin, will miss his posts. I thought he brought loads to this forum as well as slammer of course.DH has gone off WK too, lets hope slammer will be back soon.
Hope DH is all OK, maybe he will come back with a new mask?
been away for a long weekend and it seems to have properly kicked off...what's happened to slammer, jboy and doublehelix?? Real shame about DH, don't think it was anything to do with Admin, will miss his posts. I thought he brought loads to this forum as well as slammer of course.DH has gone off WK too, lets hope slammer will be back soon. Hope DH is all OK, maybe he will come back with a new mask?
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by nex on Dec 24, 2009 11:50:16 GMT 1, how many times have we been here?
how many times have we been here?
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by Cocteau 101 on Dec 24, 2009 12:01:06 GMT 1, If he's not back by New Year I'm off and I reckon countless others will be also - get a fuckin grip!
If he's not back by New Year I'm off and I reckon countless others will be also - get a fuckin grip!
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by Daniel Silk on Dec 24, 2009 12:05:32 GMT 1, Seriously!
THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM
People come here to post their opinions on ART, posting abuse about members just coz you don't agree with their opinion will get you in trouble.
Seriously!
THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM
People come here to post their opinions on ART, posting abuse about members just coz you don't agree with their opinion will get you in trouble.
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by manty on Dec 24, 2009 12:18:17 GMT 1, Seriously! THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM People come here to post their opinions on ART, posting abuse about members just coz you don't agree with their opinion will get you in trouble.
Than start acting like a grown up, and listen to people
Honestly, its not all about YOU.
You started the whole SPQR thing to get a reaction, you got it, and now are getting the attention you seem to crave this time of year
For once just let it go and remove the ban
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Seriously! THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM People come here to post their opinions on ART, posting abuse about members just coz you don't agree with their opinion will get you in trouble. Than start acting like a grown up, and listen to people Honestly, its not all about YOU. You started the whole SPQR thing to get a reaction, you got it, and now are getting the attention you seem to crave this time of year For once just let it go and remove the ban Sorted
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nex
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by nex on Dec 24, 2009 12:18:32 GMT 1, you also have to take responsibility for your actions though
you also have to take responsibility for your actions though
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by hlarmy on Dec 24, 2009 12:28:23 GMT 1, Seriously! THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM People come here to post their opinions on ART, posting abuse about members just coz you don't agree with their opinion will get you in trouble.
Silky, despite what has been done and said in the past, and bear in mind I don't agree with what you said yesterday as it was a bit of a dick-ish thing to say (!), this is a very valid point. This is just an internet forum and as such a little perspective is needed.
MERRY XMAS ONE AND ALL; ENJOY YOUR DAY.
Seriously! THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM THIS IS AN INTERNET FORUM People come here to post their opinions on ART, posting abuse about members just coz you don't agree with their opinion will get you in trouble. Silky, despite what has been done and said in the past, and bear in mind I don't agree with what you said yesterday as it was a bit of a dick-ish thing to say (!), this is a very valid point. This is just an internet forum and as such a little perspective is needed. MERRY XMAS ONE AND ALL; ENJOY YOUR DAY.
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by bullet on Dec 24, 2009 12:37:47 GMT 1, JBOY / FREERANGE and I have settled our issue. He agreed to pay me the remaining balance for the DFACE / PUNK QUEEN piece on the 23rd and today I received the payment in full as promised. As far as I am concerned it is in the past and we all should move on. I never wanted to disrespect a member with over 5,700 posts or any member for that matter - and in retrospect I could have handled the situation a bit better on my part as well. Family issues, the economy, miscommunication - whatever the reason's transactions get screwed up, maybe we should put ourselves in other people' s situation before we are so quick to cast judgment. I can honestly say that Silky did not take sides publicly and if anything he was the voice of reason throughout the whole ordeal. Silky is a good man and I can not believe how much unwarranted verbal abuse he receives from our community. I hope you guys are lashing out at him like a child does to his parents with unconditional love. JAH LOVE
ditto.
JBOY / FREERANGE and I have settled our issue. He agreed to pay me the remaining balance for the DFACE / PUNK QUEEN piece on the 23rd and today I received the payment in full as promised. As far as I am concerned it is in the past and we all should move on. I never wanted to disrespect a member with over 5,700 posts or any member for that matter - and in retrospect I could have handled the situation a bit better on my part as well. Family issues, the economy, miscommunication - whatever the reason's transactions get screwed up, maybe we should put ourselves in other people' s situation before we are so quick to cast judgment. I can honestly say that Silky did not take sides publicly and if anything he was the voice of reason throughout the whole ordeal. Silky is a good man and I can not believe how much unwarranted verbal abuse he receives from our community. I hope you guys are lashing out at him like a child does to his parents with unconditional love. JAH LOVE ditto.
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by chrisps303 on Dec 24, 2009 12:41:20 GMT 1, I dont know how to make this any clearer, but I have no problems with Slammer I think he's a great bloke! but he made a silly comment that for anyone else would have been seen by all as totally out of order. I dint take it seriously, but if you encourage stuff like that then it can get totally out of control.
Did you really have to make a comment with regards to spqr, some might say you started this whole petty argument.
Get a grip silky, what do you do in the real world if someone calls you a names.
Would you go to the police, lay down and cry or just ignore it? I suspect you would just ignore it.
Everybody is not out to get you.
I dont know how to make this any clearer, but I have no problems with Slammer I think he's a great bloke! but he made a silly comment that for anyone else would have been seen by all as totally out of order. I dint take it seriously, but if you encourage stuff like that then it can get totally out of control. Did you really have to make a comment with regards to spqr, some might say you started this whole petty argument. Get a grip silky, what do you do in the real world if someone calls you a names. Would you go to the police, lay down and cry or just ignore it? I suspect you would just ignore it. Everybody is not out to get you.
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by kennas on Dec 24, 2009 12:41:25 GMT 1, Freerange, welcome back! Now Silky in the spirit of christmas, lets have slammer back as well, then this whole sorry episode can be put to bed.
MERRY XMAS!!!!
Freerange, welcome back! Now Silky in the spirit of christmas, lets have slammer back as well, then this whole sorry episode can be put to bed.
MERRY XMAS!!!!
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by Harveyn on Dec 24, 2009 12:46:06 GMT 1, It would appear that virtually 100% of people posting on this thread would like to see Paul (Slammer) back.
Silky I would urge that you reconsider your position on this. At this time of year we should all be prepared to forgive and forget.
I do not want to get into the debate of who was right or who was wrong. The simple thing to do and the right thing to do is invite the guy back to join a forum to which he contributed much. I am positive Paul would welcome that invitation and end this ridiculous matter.
It would appear that virtually 100% of people posting on this thread would like to see Paul (Slammer) back.
Silky I would urge that you reconsider your position on this. At this time of year we should all be prepared to forgive and forget.
I do not want to get into the debate of who was right or who was wrong. The simple thing to do and the right thing to do is invite the guy back to join a forum to which he contributed much. I am positive Paul would welcome that invitation and end this ridiculous matter.
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by bullet on Dec 24, 2009 12:54:01 GMT 1, that was not my comment, but if i was to comment i would say that silky is allowed his opinion as well as much as anyone else is.
i think whatever happens if there are members or not this place is always a huge resource for banksy and other art releases and chat. That only goes to show when there is a release and thousands hit this place.
Its a website forum that is run by the person that started it, so its up to them what happens and goes on. Just because people post here does not mean they have the majority say, i mean would you go to the bbc news website and force them to do something just because you thought it was right.
that was not my comment, but if i was to comment i would say that silky is allowed his opinion as well as much as anyone else is.
i think whatever happens if there are members or not this place is always a huge resource for banksy and other art releases and chat. That only goes to show when there is a release and thousands hit this place.
Its a website forum that is run by the person that started it, so its up to them what happens and goes on. Just because people post here does not mean they have the majority say, i mean would you go to the bbc news website and force them to do something just because you thought it was right.
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by patrese on Dec 24, 2009 12:55:31 GMT 1, there really ought to be some leeway, you wouldn't want to come on here feeling like it is school all over again. calling someone a p*ick once is not a big deal, i don't think. we're adults, we should be able to take it once in a while. i don't like board politics and i do like this forum a lot as i get a lot of great advice and news from people here, but the more the informed, respected posters leave, the less 'good' this place becomes....just my opinion
there really ought to be some leeway, you wouldn't want to come on here feeling like it is school all over again. calling someone a p*ick once is not a big deal, i don't think. we're adults, we should be able to take it once in a while. i don't like board politics and i do like this forum a lot as i get a lot of great advice and news from people here, but the more the informed, respected posters leave, the less 'good' this place becomes....just my opinion
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by Billy Sport on Dec 24, 2009 13:00:08 GMT 1, i dont know why but im reminded of this
i dont know why but im reminded of this
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by bullet on Dec 24, 2009 13:01:03 GMT 1, personally i would prefer to have this place then not at all as i enjoy reading and posting here.
if that one person was not running it, then none of us would be here.
personally i would prefer to have this place then not at all as i enjoy reading and posting here.
if that one person was not running it, then none of us would be here.
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by Daniel Silk on Dec 24, 2009 13:05:34 GMT 1, It would appear that virtually 100% of people posting on this thread would like to see Paul (Slammer) back. Silky I would urge that you reconsider your position on this. At this time of year we should all be prepared to forgive and forget. I do not want to get into the debate of who was right or who was wrong. The simple thing to do and the right thing to do is invite the guy back to join a forum to which he contributed much. I am positive Paul would welcome that invitation and end this ridiculous matter.
I have no problem at all with Paul coming back on here, he just has to register. I try again to make this clear - I have no problem with Paul, but rules are rules and in my other hat his comment crossed the line. This is not a matter of if you have over a certain number of friends on here you can go around and say whatever you want, the forum is not built on the principle of a higher rank of members to whom the rules don't apply.
It would appear that virtually 100% of people posting on this thread would like to see Paul (Slammer) back. Silky I would urge that you reconsider your position on this. At this time of year we should all be prepared to forgive and forget. I do not want to get into the debate of who was right or who was wrong. The simple thing to do and the right thing to do is invite the guy back to join a forum to which he contributed much. I am positive Paul would welcome that invitation and end this ridiculous matter. I have no problem at all with Paul coming back on here, he just has to register. I try again to make this clear - I have no problem with Paul, but rules are rules and in my other hat his comment crossed the line. This is not a matter of if you have over a certain number of friends on here you can go around and say whatever you want, the forum is not built on the principle of a higher rank of members to whom the rules don't apply.
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by kissysusuki on Dec 24, 2009 13:06:51 GMT 1, Its popularity vs power - the powers that be are quick to ban/discard the popular in an attempt to prove a point. Which actually fails miserably in doing so, because all they do is create a martyr. Just look at the reaction from people to Slammers eviction.
The dichotomy of this site is, being popular cannot co-exist alongside the power, in this case 'admin', simply because it upsets the natural order of things, its the unquantifiable unknown that makes them react in this manner, so in order to wrestle back control, they exercise their power by evicting people, thus making you have to grovel, get on your knees and beg to return. This gives admin the illusion that they have control over you, like they are your judge jury and executioner.
So my logical conclusion would be.......either you live here knowing that one person can weld his axe and chop off your head whenever he see's fit and you accept it and don't complain, or you escape and run to pastures new. The grass is greener on the otherside.
The strange thing about this site however, is would seem the only members who thrive on here are the unpopular, this forum is geared up for such individuals, the more interesting thing though is on WK these individuals do not exist, is that because they know people can see right through their bullcrap and not let them get away with it?
This forum is not about art, because little debate actually takes place about art - its one big pissing competition and silky thinks he has the biggest cock, so perhaps Slammers quote, should be taken more as a compliment then as an insult.
Its popularity vs power - the powers that be are quick to ban/discard the popular in an attempt to prove a point. Which actually fails miserably in doing so, because all they do is create a martyr. Just look at the reaction from people to Slammers eviction.
The dichotomy of this site is, being popular cannot co-exist alongside the power, in this case 'admin', simply because it upsets the natural order of things, its the unquantifiable unknown that makes them react in this manner, so in order to wrestle back control, they exercise their power by evicting people, thus making you have to grovel, get on your knees and beg to return. This gives admin the illusion that they have control over you, like they are your judge jury and executioner.
So my logical conclusion would be.......either you live here knowing that one person can weld his axe and chop off your head whenever he see's fit and you accept it and don't complain, or you escape and run to pastures new. The grass is greener on the otherside.
The strange thing about this site however, is would seem the only members who thrive on here are the unpopular, this forum is geared up for such individuals, the more interesting thing though is on WK these individuals do not exist, is that because they know people can see right through their bullcrap and not let them get away with it?
This forum is not about art, because little debate actually takes place about art - its one big pissing competition and silky thinks he has the biggest cock, so perhaps Slammers quote, should be taken more as a compliment then as an insult.
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by bullet on Dec 24, 2009 13:08:20 GMT 1, i do think some of these comments are very funny. its like there is some sort of serious world changing debate going on.
its xmas eve, theres snow outside... go play.
i do think some of these comments are very funny. its like there is some sort of serious world changing debate going on.
its xmas eve, theres snow outside... go play.
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by howlinjack on Dec 24, 2009 13:14:03 GMT 1, It would appear that virtually 100% of people posting on this thread would like to see Paul (Slammer) back. Silky I would urge that you reconsider your position on this. At this time of year we should all be prepared to forgive and forget. I do not want to get into the debate of who was right or who was wrong. The simple thing to do and the right thing to do is invite the guy back to join a forum to which he contributed much. I am positive Paul would welcome that invitation and end this ridiculous matter. I have no problem at all with Paul coming back on here, he just has to register. I try again to make this clear - I have no problem with Paul, but rules are rules and in my other hat his comment crossed the line. This is not a matter of if you have over a certain number of friends on here you can go around and say whatever you want, the forum is not built on the principle of a higher rank of members to whom the rules don't apply.
you need to look at what you just said silky. because those principles are being used by you and you alone.
you keep mentioning rules......what rules? are they written down for all to see or are they just in your head? please define the rules please
It would appear that virtually 100% of people posting on this thread would like to see Paul (Slammer) back. Silky I would urge that you reconsider your position on this. At this time of year we should all be prepared to forgive and forget. I do not want to get into the debate of who was right or who was wrong. The simple thing to do and the right thing to do is invite the guy back to join a forum to which he contributed much. I am positive Paul would welcome that invitation and end this ridiculous matter. I have no problem at all with Paul coming back on here, he just has to register. I try again to make this clear - I have no problem with Paul, but rules are rules and in my other hat his comment crossed the line. This is not a matter of if you have over a certain number of friends on here you can go around and say whatever you want, the forum is not built on the principle of a higher rank of members to whom the rules don't apply. you need to look at what you just said silky. because those principles are being used by you and you alone. you keep mentioning rules......what rules? are they written down for all to see or are they just in your head? please define the rules please
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by Coach on Dec 24, 2009 13:16:29 GMT 1, It would appear that virtually 100% of people posting on this thread would like to see Paul (Slammer) back. Silky I would urge that you reconsider your position on this. At this time of year we should all be prepared to forgive and forget. I do not want to get into the debate of who was right or who was wrong. The simple thing to do and the right thing to do is invite the guy back to join a forum to which he contributed much. I am positive Paul would welcome that invitation and end this ridiculous matter. I have no problem at all with Paul coming back on here, he just has to register. I try again to make this clear - I have no problem with Paul, but rules are rules and in my other hat his comment crossed the line. This is not a matter of if you have over a certain number of friends on here you can go around and say whatever you want, the forum is not built on the principle of a higher rank of members to whom the rules don't apply.
Just out of interest Silky, can a deleted account be reinstated?
It would appear that virtually 100% of people posting on this thread would like to see Paul (Slammer) back. Silky I would urge that you reconsider your position on this. At this time of year we should all be prepared to forgive and forget. I do not want to get into the debate of who was right or who was wrong. The simple thing to do and the right thing to do is invite the guy back to join a forum to which he contributed much. I am positive Paul would welcome that invitation and end this ridiculous matter. I have no problem at all with Paul coming back on here, he just has to register. I try again to make this clear - I have no problem with Paul, but rules are rules and in my other hat his comment crossed the line. This is not a matter of if you have over a certain number of friends on here you can go around and say whatever you want, the forum is not built on the principle of a higher rank of members to whom the rules don't apply. Just out of interest Silky, can a deleted account be reinstated?
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by darrenrapley on Dec 24, 2009 13:19:13 GMT 1, Come on guys...
Silkys forum; Slammer (who we all agree is a nice guy) called him a p*ick, Silky kicks him off but says he can come back anytime he likes. Whatever anyone says about Silky- if it was not for him and his rules, this forum would not be here.
I am taking JBoys advice and going back outside. Got the first family Christmas meal to go to and Billy Bragg is on Radio 6. Perfect.
Come on guys...
Silkys forum; Slammer (who we all agree is a nice guy) called him a p*ick, Silky kicks him off but says he can come back anytime he likes. Whatever anyone says about Silky- if it was not for him and his rules, this forum would not be here.
I am taking JBoys advice and going back outside. Got the first family Christmas meal to go to and Billy Bragg is on Radio 6. Perfect.
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by leeoman on Dec 24, 2009 13:24:40 GMT 1,
I'm surprised to see the GFY abbreviation on there, looks like that ones ok ;D
I'm surprised to see the GFY abbreviation on there, looks like that ones ok ;D
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by Daniel Silk on Dec 24, 2009 13:29:04 GMT 1, I'm surprised to see the GFY abbreviation on there, looks like that ones ok ;D
Well spotted! ;D Not sure that should be there really
I'm surprised to see the GFY abbreviation on there, looks like that ones ok ;D Well spotted! ;D Not sure that should be there really
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by leeoman on Dec 24, 2009 13:31:29 GMT 1, I'm surprised to see the GFY abbreviation on there, looks like that ones ok ;D Well spotted! ;D Not sure that should be there really
;D ;D lol
I'm surprised to see the GFY abbreviation on there, looks like that ones ok ;D Well spotted! ;D Not sure that should be there really ;D ;D lol
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by howlinjack on Dec 24, 2009 13:41:43 GMT 1, I just wanted to let everyone know about a few things that might mean a person gets their forum account disabled -
3. Posting about disabled or banned accounts in an attempt to force Admin to back down over enforcing the rules.
better ban nearly everyone on this thread then.....merry christmas
I just wanted to let everyone know about a few things that might mean a person gets their forum account disabled -
3. Posting about disabled or banned accounts in an attempt to force Admin to back down over enforcing the rules.
better ban nearly everyone on this thread then.....merry christmas
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give me your feedback on "slammer", by nah on Dec 24, 2009 14:30:55 GMT 1, 2. Posts that target Galleries or Artists in an attempt to damage sales and or reputation.
ban yo'self
2. Posts that target Galleries or Artists in an attempt to damage sales and or reputation.
ban yo'self
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