redfred
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Banksy Donuts Print, by redfred on Jul 27, 2009 11:47:56 GMT 1, Just to throw another slant on the debate regarding offices full of new Banksy fans hoping to get rich quick - POW in my mind have gone out of there way in the past to try and keep there customers happy, albeit you can't please all of the people all of the time! I would imagine that POW in line with most businesses would give repeat customers preference the same as most galleries do, to wittle out first time and possibly speculative buyers would be very easy. I'me equally sure that POW arent stupid and want maximium exposure from this release but are obviousely aware of the pitfalls of upsetting regular buyers by this type of release! Thoughts?
Just to throw another slant on the debate regarding offices full of new Banksy fans hoping to get rich quick - POW in my mind have gone out of there way in the past to try and keep there customers happy, albeit you can't please all of the people all of the time! I would imagine that POW in line with most businesses would give repeat customers preference the same as most galleries do, to wittle out first time and possibly speculative buyers would be very easy. I'me equally sure that POW arent stupid and want maximium exposure from this release but are obviousely aware of the pitfalls of upsetting regular buyers by this type of release! Thoughts?
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jamo
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Banksy Donuts Print, by jamo on Jul 27, 2009 11:55:35 GMT 1, The odds do seem a bit steep...
Let's say 100,000 registering, 598 prints, no duplicate winners, makes approx. 1 in 167 chance. If the girlfriend registers too, half that.....
What worries me is a few people saying their 'whole office' has registered. Who told them? You? This is hardly going to help the chances of us fans and forum people..... (although helps your odds, that is if they decide to tell you). You bad person, you!
The odds do seem a bit steep...
Let's say 100,000 registering, 598 prints, no duplicate winners, makes approx. 1 in 167 chance. If the girlfriend registers too, half that.....
What worries me is a few people saying their 'whole office' has registered. Who told them? You? This is hardly going to help the chances of us fans and forum people..... (although helps your odds, that is if they decide to tell you). You bad person, you!
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Sundowner
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Banksy Donuts Print, by Sundowner on Jul 27, 2009 12:10:21 GMT 1, Less than 24 hours and counting people.....
Less than 24 hours and counting people.....
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curiousgeorge
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Banksy Donuts Print, by curiousgeorge on Jul 27, 2009 12:17:08 GMT 1, google 'banksy lottery' or 'banksy donut'
google 'banksy lottery' or 'banksy donut'
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anthoz
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Banksy Donuts Print, by anthoz on Jul 27, 2009 12:26:30 GMT 1, It will be interesting, for me personally, to compare the portion of this new release that are flipped in relation to the percentage flipped following from a traditional fastest finger F5 release and also the lottery via the openday raffle release. My guess is that this way will lead to the highest percent. I think POW are fulfilling a useful purpose here, and that is to at least try something else, and listen to the many voices that have called for the online lottery after all previous releases. Whatever happens this time round at least there wont be the usual "online lottery would be fairer" debate afterwards.
On another note, I love the image. possibly for no other reason than pure aesthetics. It posesses the fine detail that S&S does and at the same time, holds for me more meaning than some of the earlier releases. I for one am not a purist and so can see the advantage of an image like this over the simplicity of a rat holding a placard for example. I agree that the message may not be as clever as barcode or as moving as napalm or IFTL but for me its fun, pleasing on the eye, and even more importantly can be hung in any room in the house without worry of strange glances
It will be interesting, for me personally, to compare the portion of this new release that are flipped in relation to the percentage flipped following from a traditional fastest finger F5 release and also the lottery via the openday raffle release. My guess is that this way will lead to the highest percent. I think POW are fulfilling a useful purpose here, and that is to at least try something else, and listen to the many voices that have called for the online lottery after all previous releases. Whatever happens this time round at least there wont be the usual "online lottery would be fairer" debate afterwards. On another note, I love the image. possibly for no other reason than pure aesthetics. It posesses the fine detail that S&S does and at the same time, holds for me more meaning than some of the earlier releases. I for one am not a purist and so can see the advantage of an image like this over the simplicity of a rat holding a placard for example. I agree that the message may not be as clever as barcode or as moving as napalm or IFTL but for me its fun, pleasing on the eye, and even more importantly can be hung in any room in the house without worry of strange glances
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digitalkid
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Banksy Donuts Print, by digitalkid on Jul 27, 2009 12:27:24 GMT 1, The odds do seem a bit steep... Let's say 100,000 registering, 598 prints, no duplicate winners, makes approx. 1 in 167 chance. If the girlfriend registers too, half that..... What worries me is a few people saying their 'whole office' has registered. Who told them? You? This is hardly going to help the chances of us fans and forum people..... (although helps your odds, that is if they decide to tell you). You bad person, you!
I haven't told anyone - not even my best friend!!
The odds do seem a bit steep... Let's say 100,000 registering, 598 prints, no duplicate winners, makes approx. 1 in 167 chance. If the girlfriend registers too, half that..... What worries me is a few people saying their 'whole office' has registered. Who told them? You? This is hardly going to help the chances of us fans and forum people..... (although helps your odds, that is if they decide to tell you). You bad person, you! I haven't told anyone - not even my best friend!!
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Banksy Donuts Print, by rosstierney on Jul 27, 2009 12:31:18 GMT 1, i've had 17 people contact me through facebook asking if i've heard about the draw, if i've entered & the majority have asked how much they could make out of it thanks to all the bloggers.
i've had 17 people contact me through facebook asking if i've heard about the draw, if i've entered & the majority have asked how much they could make out of it thanks to all the bloggers.
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digitalkid
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Banksy Donuts Print, by digitalkid on Jul 27, 2009 12:36:17 GMT 1, I'm convinced that POW will only put email addresses from the mail out into the draw..
I'm convinced that POW will only put email addresses from the mail out into the draw..
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Banksy Donuts Print, by richy00 on Jul 27, 2009 12:39:46 GMT 1, I'm convinced that POW will only put email addresses from the mail out into the draw..
its not that complicated a system.. its simply there to make sure no email can be entered twice..
there will be hundreds of thousands of entries if not millions.. everyone and i mean everyone in the uk has heard about this and entered..
not good
i want one
I'm convinced that POW will only put email addresses from the mail out into the draw.. its not that complicated a system.. its simply there to make sure no email can be entered twice.. there will be hundreds of thousands of entries if not millions.. everyone and i mean everyone in the uk has heard about this and entered.. not good i want one
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anthoz
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Banksy Donuts Print, by anthoz on Jul 27, 2009 12:40:15 GMT 1, I'm convinced that POW will only put email addresses from the mail out into the draw..
I doubt it, you may be right though as nobody will really know what rules and parameters they will use.
This would count out new fans though really as not everyone registers for the emails and some may just check the site every so often.
In reality I suspect it will be a draw of the names in the hat, no hocus pocus or rules apart from 1 print per name. If they are planning to draw within 48 hours andhave 100,000 names they would have 100's of people working around the clock to cross reference names and IP addresses against all permutations.?
I'm convinced that POW will only put email addresses from the mail out into the draw.. I doubt it, you may be right though as nobody will really know what rules and parameters they will use. This would count out new fans though really as not everyone registers for the emails and some may just check the site every so often. In reality I suspect it will be a draw of the names in the hat, no hocus pocus or rules apart from 1 print per name. If they are planning to draw within 48 hours andhave 100,000 names they would have 100's of people working around the clock to cross reference names and IP addresses against all permutations.?
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hlarmy
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Banksy Donuts Print, by hlarmy on Jul 27, 2009 12:41:06 GMT 1, If you can believe what has been said in this thread, it doesn't take a genius to work out that very few genuine fans will be successful in getting one of these; this is the obvious downside. The upside is that many will hit the secondary market straight away, which will pull the resale value down. Couple this with my personal belief that this is a print that many will not want to spend ยฃ1k+ on it (I could be very wrong here!) and it should be (kind of) affordable to those who love the print and are happy to pay more than cost for it - I fall into this category, I'd love to win one but wouldn't pay much more than cost for it. I have entered the draw but won't be too disappointed if I don't get one. I just hope that many fellow forum members get one (and hang it), and more importantly they don't end up going to those looking to make a quick profit
It's all just a bit of fun anyway ... there are far more important things in life
If you can believe what has been said in this thread, it doesn't take a genius to work out that very few genuine fans will be successful in getting one of these; this is the obvious downside. The upside is that many will hit the secondary market straight away, which will pull the resale value down. Couple this with my personal belief that this is a print that many will not want to spend ยฃ1k+ on it (I could be very wrong here!) and it should be (kind of) affordable to those who love the print and are happy to pay more than cost for it - I fall into this category, I'd love to win one but wouldn't pay much more than cost for it. I have entered the draw but won't be too disappointed if I don't get one. I just hope that many fellow forum members get one (and hang it), and more importantly they don't end up going to those looking to make a quick profit It's all just a bit of fun anyway ... there are far more important things in life
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Sundowner
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Banksy Donuts Print, by Sundowner on Jul 27, 2009 12:46:02 GMT 1, Look on the bright side, if they do go to people that have not bought through POW before and they do want to flip it is highly likely they'll do so immediately, which means they'll get blacklisted.
Look on the bright side, if they do go to people that have not bought through POW before and they do want to flip it is highly likely they'll do so immediately, which means they'll get blacklisted.
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anthoz
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Banksy Donuts Print, by anthoz on Jul 27, 2009 12:48:53 GMT 1, Look on the bright side, if they do go to people that have not bought through POW before and they do want to flip it is highly likely they'll do so immediately, which means they'll get blacklisted.
Except that now that they have read your post, they will most likely wait a while.
Look on the bright side, if they do go to people that have not bought through POW before and they do want to flip it is highly likely they'll do so immediately, which means they'll get blacklisted. Except that now that they have read your post, they will most likely wait a while.
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spanksy
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Banksy Donuts Print, by spanksy on Jul 27, 2009 12:49:56 GMT 1, If you can believe what has been said in this thread, it doesn't take a genius to work out that very few genuine fans will be successful in getting one of these; this is the obvious downside. The upside is that many will hit the secondary market straight away, which will pull the resale value down. Couple this with my personal belief that this is a print that many will want to spend ยฃ1k+ on it (I could be very wrong here!) and it should be (kind of) affordable to those who love the print and are happy to pay more than cost for it - for me, I fall into this category, I'd love to win one but wouldn't pay much more than cost for it. I have entered the draw but won't be too disappointed if I don't get one. I just hope that many fellow forum members get one (and hang it), and more importantly they don't end up going to those looking to make a quick profit It's all just a bit of fun anyway ... there are far more important things in life
agreed!
If you can believe what has been said in this thread, it doesn't take a genius to work out that very few genuine fans will be successful in getting one of these; this is the obvious downside. The upside is that many will hit the secondary market straight away, which will pull the resale value down. Couple this with my personal belief that this is a print that many will want to spend ยฃ1k+ on it (I could be very wrong here!) and it should be (kind of) affordable to those who love the print and are happy to pay more than cost for it - for me, I fall into this category, I'd love to win one but wouldn't pay much more than cost for it. I have entered the draw but won't be too disappointed if I don't get one. I just hope that many fellow forum members get one (and hang it), and more importantly they don't end up going to those looking to make a quick profit It's all just a bit of fun anyway ... there are far more important things in life agreed!
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G-Man
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Banksy Donuts Print, by G-Man on Jul 27, 2009 12:52:35 GMT 1, I dont think that POW will use anything more than a check on the names for duplicates and then let the computer draw randomly after that personally. Anything more would take so much time and effort.
I wish that they would give priority to people on their mailing list and to previous buyers but I dont think that this will happen either.
I think its a lottery and you have to be initowinit I agree with hlarmy though in that I love the image but wont pay secondary market prices as there are others that I would buy first at the secondary prices
I dont think that POW will use anything more than a check on the names for duplicates and then let the computer draw randomly after that personally. Anything more would take so much time and effort.
I wish that they would give priority to people on their mailing list and to previous buyers but I dont think that this will happen either.
I think its a lottery and you have to be initowinit I agree with hlarmy though in that I love the image but wont pay secondary market prices as there are others that I would buy first at the secondary prices
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spanksy
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Banksy Donuts Print, by spanksy on Jul 27, 2009 13:01:39 GMT 1, fuck i wish there was a way that all of us could get one and noone else haha. POW should see whos had the most valid and valuble points, and passion, over the years and give them first refusal to buy! counts me out tho
fuck i wish there was a way that all of us could get one and noone else haha. POW should see whos had the most valid and valuble points, and passion, over the years and give them first refusal to buy! counts me out tho
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holden
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Banksy Donuts Print, by holden on Jul 27, 2009 13:05:02 GMT 1, The odds do seem a bit steep... Let's say 100,000 registering, 598 prints, no duplicate winners, makes approx. 1 in 167 chance. If the girlfriend registers too, half that..... What worries me is a few people saying their 'whole office' has registered. Who told them? You? This is hardly going to help the chances of us fans and forum people..... (although helps your odds, that is if they decide to tell you). You bad person, you! I haven't told anyone - not even my best friend!!
I think your odds although appealing are more like 1 in 100,000 for draw one......lose 1 in 99,999 draw 2....lose 1 in 99,998 draw 3.....lose 1 in 99,997 draw 4......lose etc until the last draw of 1 in 99,402 at the end (100,000 - 598)
I may be wrong....especially with the start off of 100,000!!!!
Anyways agree with there are more important things in life and agree good luck to all those who 'really' want one
The odds do seem a bit steep... Let's say 100,000 registering, 598 prints, no duplicate winners, makes approx. 1 in 167 chance. If the girlfriend registers too, half that..... What worries me is a few people saying their 'whole office' has registered. Who told them? You? This is hardly going to help the chances of us fans and forum people..... (although helps your odds, that is if they decide to tell you). You bad person, you! I haven't told anyone - not even my best friend!! I think your odds although appealing are more like 1 in 100,000 for draw one......lose 1 in 99,999 draw 2....lose 1 in 99,998 draw 3.....lose 1 in 99,997 draw 4......lose etc until the last draw of 1 in 99,402 at the end (100,000 - 598) I may be wrong....especially with the start off of 100,000!!!! Anyways agree with there are more important things in life and agree good luck to all those who 'really' want one
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etched
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Banksy Donuts Print, by etched on Jul 27, 2009 13:14:29 GMT 1, Less than 24 hours and counting people.....
tic-toc-tic-toc
Less than 24 hours and counting people..... tic-toc-tic-toc
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Banksy Donuts Print, by richy00 on Jul 27, 2009 13:25:18 GMT 1, I haven't told anyone - not even my best friend!! I think your odds although appealing are more like 1 in 100,000 for draw one......lose 1 in 99,999 draw 2....lose 1 in 99,998 draw 3.....lose 1 in 99,997 draw 4......lose etc until the last draw of 1 in 99,402 at the end (100,000 - 598) I may be wrong....especially with the start off of 100,000!!!! Anyways agree with there are more important things in life and agree good luck to all those who 'really' want one
didnt myself and someone have this argument about odds with the last lottery?
can we not start this again.. lets just accept the odds are shit and no more talk of odds..
I haven't told anyone - not even my best friend!! I think your odds although appealing are more like 1 in 100,000 for draw one......lose 1 in 99,999 draw 2....lose 1 in 99,998 draw 3.....lose 1 in 99,997 draw 4......lose etc until the last draw of 1 in 99,402 at the end (100,000 - 598) I may be wrong....especially with the start off of 100,000!!!! Anyways agree with there are more important things in life and agree good luck to all those who 'really' want one didnt myself and someone have this argument about odds with the last lottery? can we not start this again.. lets just accept the odds are shit and no more talk of odds..
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Banksy Donuts Print, by richy00 on Jul 27, 2009 13:25:49 GMT 1, i think anyone with 6 stars and over should get one ....
i think anyone with 6 stars and over should get one ....
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spanksy
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Banksy Donuts Print, by spanksy on Jul 27, 2009 13:30:22 GMT 1, i think anyone with 6 stars and over should get one ....
haha i think people with 6 stars should get a girlfriend, or a hobby, or a dog.
(dont hate me everyone with 6+ stars) ;D ;D ;D
i think anyone with 6 stars and over should get one .... haha i think people with 6 stars should get a girlfriend, or a hobby, or a dog. (dont hate me everyone with 6+ stars) ;D ;D ;D
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holden
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Banksy Donuts Print, by holden on Jul 27, 2009 13:30:17 GMT 1, I think your odds although appealing are more like 1 in 100,000 for draw one......lose 1 in 99,999 draw 2....lose 1 in 99,998 draw 3.....lose 1 in 99,997 draw 4......lose etc until the last draw of 1 in 99,402 at the end (100,000 - 598) I may be wrong....especially with the start off of 100,000!!!! Anyways agree with there are more important things in life and agree good luck to all those who 'really' want one didnt myself and someone have this argument about odds with the last lottery?
Really? That'd be the first sensible thing you've posted
I think your odds although appealing are more like 1 in 100,000 for draw one......lose 1 in 99,999 draw 2....lose 1 in 99,998 draw 3.....lose 1 in 99,997 draw 4......lose etc until the last draw of 1 in 99,402 at the end (100,000 - 598) I may be wrong....especially with the start off of 100,000!!!! Anyways agree with there are more important things in life and agree good luck to all those who 'really' want one didnt myself and someone have this argument about odds with the last lottery? Really? That'd be the first sensible thing you've posted
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Banksy Donuts Print, by wizzy on Jul 27, 2009 13:32:03 GMT 1, I think the Star system is rubbish really Richy, for example i post lots of rubbish and irrelevant stuff on here because i know ef all about anything really whereas someone can say lots more in just a couple of posts.
I think the Star system is rubbish really Richy, for example i post lots of rubbish and irrelevant stuff on here because i know ef all about anything really whereas someone can say lots more in just a couple of posts.
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spanksy
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Banksy Donuts Print, by spanksy on Jul 27, 2009 13:34:54 GMT 1, i love wiz
i love wiz
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Banksy Donuts Print, by mammal on Jul 27, 2009 13:34:33 GMT 1, I think people need to chill. Lash yo name in the hat and hope for the best if you like the print. If your dad gets one then give him a fish and chip supper and then steal it while he is watching the cricket.
I think people need to chill. Lash yo name in the hat and hope for the best if you like the print. If your dad gets one then give him a fish and chip supper and then steal it while he is watching the cricket.
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Banksy Donuts Print, by etched on Jul 27, 2009 13:35:44 GMT 1, i think anyone with 6 stars and over should get one .... haha i think people with 6 stars should get a girlfriend, or a hobby, or a dog. (dont hate me everyone with 6+ stars) ;D ;D ;D
agreed on the 6 stars thing - girlfriend/check - dog/check - hobby/check .......... some of us got it all ;D
i think anyone with 6 stars and over should get one .... haha i think people with 6 stars should get a girlfriend, or a hobby, or a dog. (dont hate me everyone with 6+ stars) ;D ;D ;D agreed on the 6 stars thing - girlfriend/check - dog/check - hobby/check .......... some of us got it all ;D
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Banksy Donuts Print, by Ruggs on Jul 27, 2009 13:37:08 GMT 1, i think anyone with 6 stars and over should get one ....
Sh@t! I better get posting!
i think anyone with 6 stars and over should get one .... Sh@t! I better get posting!
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Banksy Donuts Print, by etched on Jul 27, 2009 13:36:38 GMT 1, I think the Star system is rubbish really Richy, for example i post lots of rubbish and irrelevant stuff on here because i know ef all about anything really whereas someone can say lots more in just a couple of posts.
sometimes its the rubbish that matters wiz -
I think the Star system is rubbish really Richy, for example i post lots of rubbish and irrelevant stuff on here because i know ef all about anything really whereas someone can say lots more in just a couple of posts. sometimes its the rubbish that matters wiz -
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Banksy Donuts Print, by stopki on Jul 27, 2009 13:37:47 GMT 1, all you can do is cross ya fingers.
and stop this pointless banter.
really?
all you can do is cross ya fingers.
and stop this pointless banter.
really?
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