Urban Art Association

Hi Kel

Just for your information, we have been members of the forum for 3+ years now and as a rule do not advertise our wares on here as we have a web site to do just that. The number of posts IE 7 will back that up. But that doesn't mean that we don't look at the forum on a daily basis, we do, as we find it both informative and in some cases, entertaining.

We responded to the sales thread because it was clearly posted by the man who was making enquiries about our print, and he was attempting to sell something that didn't belong to him. We quoted our price to emphasise this fact.

I hope this clears up any confusion you may have had.

gallery price must be ok then if he thought he could get a better price on here? you'd think he would actually buy the print first though

There's been an arguement on here recently that if you sell to gallery, at least you get your asking price (and if you're happy, who cares!?).
In that same vein, surely, even if you're a gallery, if you sell at your asking price you should be happy, No? What someone does with the print after is their business.

(Just playing Devil's advocate, for the sake of discussion!)

MA absolutely no confusion on my part as I mentioned some cynics on this forum would have viewed it differently. As you say you have been a member since 2010 and do read the forum so you will know there are plenty of cynics around.

In all fairness to "Ivan Tan" I have to admire his initiative to source a print at a cheap price and then offer it around with a nice earner on top. Some people call this flipping though I would say it is more sourcing. Which is the same practice that some galleries undertake. Please don't take that as directed at you as it is not.

Oh, This is great. There are so many entrepreneurial people on here. Its a real eye opener at times.

Good spot MA

I have a GWB for sale £10,000 unsigned, will be with you as soon as you pay me and i pay the gallery

question for all who read this is..

is this behaviour ethical.. and as such would you do this and if so why ?

Lots of Design Galleries do it, mark up after mark up but (usually) with each person in the chain in the know about the proceedings, its the way it goes. In this instance though maybe not carried out correctly.

Okeydokey, you should kick his web designing arse into gear then to get it sorted.

yes you could.

until just one customer gets wind of your "business model".

(it only takes 1...you don't know if they are capable of causing you rep damage)

then from then on ..it's downhill... all the way to the gutter.

btw : wizzy just because an org does something doesn't means it's cool.. whilst i know
you didn't say that in so many words - you get my drifty.

take PA and MA for eg... what stock do they have which they don't.. and if you found them
touting work they didn't actually have.. would you think hey that's life or would you STRIKE them out for future ref.

ho ho.. that's the reason most shysters go and change their wee name in the vain hope that .. folks won't re-detect them in their new niceguy guise.

..interesting thread.

yeah my website is under construction, what would you like to buy wizzy smalls? i can get anything?

I think there are far more galleries than you think that take part in the same type of sales technique, I'm based in the US but have had 3 incidents with reputable UK based galleries that I purchased art from ( art that was sold as "on-hand" ) and then after paying either a deposit or the full amount was told that the piece was not available anymore or they were having trouble locating it ( aka CND Soldiers signed , paid for full price 3 weeks before "that" auction and then told it had not shipped due to various reasons school holidays, dog has worms, UK postal service taken over by the Polish , then 2 days after "that" auction was not available blahblah blah but they could get me one for an additional 6k on top of what I paid, you know who you are :-) or my personal favorite a Barry McGee which I paid for from another well known gallery that was in his latest show and then resold for a higher amount to an actual friend of mine and then I was told Barry had not wanted the piece sold anymore....
I know what Ivan did is a bit shady but aren't there a lot of people buying prints from Nelly Duff , POW etc and flipping them at a higher cost without having the physical piece on-hand? I do see a rather grey area where this is concerned, let me put it this way if Metropolis Art had sold the piece to another buyer and they had resold it on the Forum for a higher price without picking this up and everyone was happy would this be such a bad thing?
As a follow up I have located several collectors pieces of art and I do all my business as transparent as possible, I have had pieces offered to me that go out to collectors and come back to me a few days later double or triple the price, we all know this goes on so why is everyone so shocked?
It's good that your all doing your homework but if someone is trying to make some money with a little bit of sidewards thinking then good on them.

or a rare early faile mao? 1895 free delivery

Actually Damien, heres an idea, just list everything thats for sale on here at present with a small mark up, see what happens. 

hahaha you want the honest truth a long time, seriously mate! I'm laid up in bed in Colombia with Pneumonia on vacation. you can swap a Donuts down here for 300 acres of land and a herd of horny goats...