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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by edcase on Oct 31, 2008 19:21:36 GMT 1, I think in years to come people will look back at canvases like this going for 10k and think it was a bargain!!!
Bump for a beautiful and beautifully framed artwork.
I think in years to come people will look back at canvases like this going for 10k and think it was a bargain!!!
Bump for a beautiful and beautifully framed artwork.
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by wiz on Oct 31, 2008 19:47:54 GMT 1, Is that 10k USD or GBP?. Man sits quietly on chair staring blankly at screen pondering on what could have been if he had said yes instead of no.
Is that 10k USD or GBP?. Man sits quietly on chair staring blankly at screen pondering on what could have been if he had said yes instead of no.
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 19:56:55 GMT 1, not to begrudge anyone for selling a piece, but i find i am instantly turned off when people who are selling their art, they think they can ask auction prices - its like people who sell their banksy prints, citing andipa prices, its not relative.
If you want auction money - then whack in to an auction - you might get close to the 10K it reached at Bonham, i doubt it, but you never know.
not to begrudge anyone for selling a piece, but i find i am instantly turned off when people who are selling their art, they think they can ask auction prices - its like people who sell their banksy prints, citing andipa prices, its not relative.
If you want auction money - then whack in to an auction - you might get close to the 10K it reached at Bonham, i doubt it, but you never know.
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 20:08:36 GMT 1, not to begrudge anyone for selling a piece, but i find i am instantly turned off when people who are selling their art, they think they can ask auction prices - its like people who sell their banksy prints, citing andipa prices, its not relative. If you want auction money - then whack in to an auction - you might get close to the 10K it reached at Bonham, i doubt it, but you never know. Kinsey/Des Forges were selling similar sized pieces for 5K (UK) last month so if he can make 10K then better the seller...
thats my point Β£5K at gallery - on here, you should see prices below gallery - so Β£4K is a realistic price
not to begrudge anyone for selling a piece, but i find i am instantly turned off when people who are selling their art, they think they can ask auction prices - its like people who sell their banksy prints, citing andipa prices, its not relative. If you want auction money - then whack in to an auction - you might get close to the 10K it reached at Bonham, i doubt it, but you never know. Kinsey/Des Forges were selling similar sized pieces for 5K (UK) last month so if he can make 10K then better the seller... thats my point Β£5K at gallery - on here, you should see prices below gallery - so Β£4K is a realistic price |
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 31, 2008 20:13:40 GMT 1, Show sold out instantly so it would be above gallery as theres high demand... As for what this is worth I'll let you guys/gals debate
Show sold out instantly so it would be above gallery as theres high demand... As for what this is worth I'll let you guys/gals debate
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 31, 2008 20:26:04 GMT 1, Kinsey/Des Forges were selling similar sized pieces for 5K (UK) last month so if he can make 10K then better the seller... thats my point Β£5K at gallery - on here, you should see prices below gallery - so Β£4K is a realistic price
With respect that's not a very sound argument Als. What about all the other art that sells out instantly from galleries? How much of it is available retrospectively for less (in this scene anyway). Think Banksy prints, or for that matter, anything Parla, Walker, Dface and many others (prints, originals, take your pick).
Kinsey/Des Forges were selling similar sized pieces for 5K (UK) last month so if he can make 10K then better the seller... thats my point Β£5K at gallery - on here, you should see prices below gallery - so Β£4K is a realistic price With respect that's not a very sound argument Als. What about all the other art that sells out instantly from galleries? How much of it is available retrospectively for less (in this scene anyway). Think Banksy prints, or for that matter, anything Parla, Walker, Dface and many others (prints, originals, take your pick). |
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 31, 2008 20:30:44 GMT 1, Very beautiful canvas by the way!
Very beautiful canvas by the way!
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by solar77 on Oct 31, 2008 20:32:02 GMT 1, This is silly. I'd rather have the opportunity to purchase quality art on the boards than have to fight it out with the crowd at Bonhams. Why would you try to push sellers away from a place where you have a much better chance of actually being able to buy successfully?
Why would the seller come on here and ask less than gallery prices when the artist's work is publically selling for significantly more than gallery prices elsewhere? This defies all common sense and logic.
I wish he was asking gallery price for the piece. It would have been mine as soon as he posted this thread.
This is silly. I'd rather have the opportunity to purchase quality art on the boards than have to fight it out with the crowd at Bonhams. Why would you try to push sellers away from a place where you have a much better chance of actually being able to buy successfully?
Why would the seller come on here and ask less than gallery prices when the artist's work is publically selling for significantly more than gallery prices elsewhere? This defies all common sense and logic.
I wish he was asking gallery price for the piece. It would have been mine as soon as he posted this thread.
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 20:33:59 GMT 1, thats ok HC, its a debate, and everything discussed is with respect. i wouldn't put Ian Francis in the same brackets as Banksy. Walker, and Dface are also on a different level, however after about a month or two, you tend to see their prices level or come off a little. Dont get me wrong I like Ian's stuff, but he is not a 10K per canvas artist yet. Miranda Donovan sold out pre-show, as did Conor H., with the exception of a few pieces, most are still around the gallery prices they sold for, and what about Herakut, pieces are very difficult to come by, but their pricing is realistic.
I would put Ian Francis in the same brackets as Charming Baker and Sage Vaughn.
As for Parla - after the last show, very overpriced imo
Let me add if you had Β£10K spare, would you spend it on a Ian Francis?
thats ok HC, its a debate, and everything discussed is with respect. i wouldn't put Ian Francis in the same brackets as Banksy. Walker, and Dface are also on a different level, however after about a month or two, you tend to see their prices level or come off a little. Dont get me wrong I like Ian's stuff, but he is not a 10K per canvas artist yet. Miranda Donovan sold out pre-show, as did Conor H., with the exception of a few pieces, most are still around the gallery prices they sold for, and what about Herakut, pieces are very difficult to come by, but their pricing is realistic.
I would put Ian Francis in the same brackets as Charming Baker and Sage Vaughn.
As for Parla - after the last show, very overpriced imo
Let me add if you had Β£10K spare, would you spend it on a Ian Francis?
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 31, 2008 20:48:11 GMT 1, fyi, just last month francis sold 2 canvases @ $28K usd each- whats that 17.5K gbp? Laz sold one @ $35k usd no?
should get your facts straight...
fyi, just last month francis sold 2 canvases @ $28K usd each- whats that 17.5K gbp? Laz sold one @ $35k usd no?
should get your facts straight...
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 31, 2008 20:49:14 GMT 1, and yes if I had 10K to spare, Ian francis would be my first choice from this "scene"...
and yes if I had 10K to spare, Ian francis would be my first choice from this "scene"...
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by arcam on Oct 31, 2008 20:49:37 GMT 1, Let me add if you had Β£10K spare, would you spend it on a Ian Francis?
Some would......
Let me add if you had Β£10K spare, would you spend it on a Ian Francis? Some would...... |
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 31, 2008 20:52:31 GMT 1, I'd go for Ian's work well before considering anything by Walker or Dface most of the time, because I think he's twice the artist either of them are (of course all real life decisions are based on the actual piece, not only the artist, so there are exceptions I suppose, although I haven't seen many Dface images I really like at all thus far). However, my personal choice would likely not include any of the afformentioned. There are simply some artists I happen to prefer at the moment, but tastes evolve and change and I can see myself seeing Ian's work and being wowed enough to buy it, were I liquid enough to do so. (Tough to say for sure when you aren't in that position)
I'd go for Ian's work well before considering anything by Walker or Dface most of the time, because I think he's twice the artist either of them are (of course all real life decisions are based on the actual piece, not only the artist, so there are exceptions I suppose, although I haven't seen many Dface images I really like at all thus far). However, my personal choice would likely not include any of the afformentioned. There are simply some artists I happen to prefer at the moment, but tastes evolve and change and I can see myself seeing Ian's work and being wowed enough to buy it, were I liquid enough to do so. (Tough to say for sure when you aren't in that position)
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 31, 2008 20:55:16 GMT 1, and yes if I had 10K to spare, Ian francis would be my first choice from this "scene"...
Probably mine too if limiting things in that way.
and yes if I had 10K to spare, Ian francis would be my first choice from this "scene"... Probably mine too if limiting things in that way. |
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by arcam on Oct 31, 2008 20:58:24 GMT 1, I'd go for Ian's work well before considering anything by Walker or Dface most of the time, because I think he's twice the artist either of them are.
Damn right.
I find it staggering that people will spend hundreds on crap like the Green Lady where as IF prints struggle to sell.
I'd go for Ian's work well before considering anything by Walker or Dface most of the time, because I think he's twice the artist either of them are. Damn right. I find it staggering that people will spend hundreds on crap like the Green Lady where as IF prints struggle to sell. |
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 20:59:12 GMT 1, fyi, just last month francis sold 2 canvases @ $28K usd each- whats that 17.5K gbp? Laz sold one @ $35k usd no? should get your facts straight...
$35K?
www.lazinc.com/artists/ian-francis/original-art/1492/
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by gebeau31 on Oct 31, 2008 21:11:10 GMT 1, To be fair, that Laz piece is craptastic...and obviously not the piece he was referring to.
Also to be fair, the two KDF pieces that sold at $28k USD were also 49" x 71"...so three times as large as the piece offered here. Those two examples were also truly STUNNING. (This one is very nice, too...just saying...)
To be fair, that Laz piece is craptastic...and obviously not the piece he was referring to.
Also to be fair, the two KDF pieces that sold at $28k USD were also 49" x 71"...so three times as large as the piece offered here. Those two examples were also truly STUNNING. (This one is very nice, too...just saying...)
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 31, 2008 21:12:29 GMT 1, check the archive
check the archive
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 31, 2008 21:15:38 GMT 1, The "Avalanche" piece at Outsiders also sold @ $16000 usd = approx 10k gpb
Basically, your comment about Ian Francis not being a 10K gbp artist yet is flat out wrong
The "Avalanche" piece at Outsiders also sold @ $16000 usd = approx 10k gpb
Basically, your comment about Ian Francis not being a 10K gbp artist yet is flat out wrong
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 21:15:52 GMT 1, gebeau its bigger than the one being offered by artyfarty - sorry arty not intending to piss on your sale. Therefore if you are going on size alone, arty's is half the size of Laz's!!!
gebeau its bigger than the one being offered by artyfarty - sorry arty not intending to piss on your sale. Therefore if you are going on size alone, arty's is half the size of Laz's!!!
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 21:20:18 GMT 1, The "Avalanche" piece at Outsiders also sold @ $16000 usd = approx 10k gpb Basically, your comment about Ian Francis not being a 10K gbp artist yet is flat out wrong
give arty's piece to a gallery to sell on consignment, he wont see 10K for it, a gallery will probably sell it for 8-10K, arty would see close to Β£4-5K for it - and i guess that is more my point - 10K on here is too steep. And without being pedantic - you are basing $16K on todays exchange rate, when it sold exchange rate was closer to $2 per Β£1
The "Avalanche" piece at Outsiders also sold @ $16000 usd = approx 10k gpb Basically, your comment about Ian Francis not being a 10K gbp artist yet is flat out wrong give arty's piece to a gallery to sell on consignment, he wont see 10K for it, a gallery will probably sell it for 8-10K, arty would see close to Β£4-5K for it - and i guess that is more my point - 10K on here is too steep. And without being pedantic - you are basing $16K on todays exchange rate, when it sold exchange rate was closer to $2 per Β£1 |
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by solar77 on Oct 31, 2008 21:20:48 GMT 1, A couple points:
There's a reason the Laz piece is still there for 10...it's awful. Not a good representation of the man's work.
There's a number of Ian Francis canvases I would spend 8-12K on right now given the opportunity; any of the 50x36" or larger pieces from the latest show, either of the larger pieces from Outsiders, Deathstar, Maria Ozawa and several others from the Super Coma Fantasy show.
I would buy any BLK/MRKT or KDF 40x30" Ian Francis for 6K without a second thought.
Edit: Als, I do agree that 10K is too agressive for this piece.
A couple points:
There's a reason the Laz piece is still there for 10...it's awful. Not a good representation of the man's work.
There's a number of Ian Francis canvases I would spend 8-12K on right now given the opportunity; any of the 50x36" or larger pieces from the latest show, either of the larger pieces from Outsiders, Deathstar, Maria Ozawa and several others from the Super Coma Fantasy show.
I would buy any BLK/MRKT or KDF 40x30" Ian Francis for 6K without a second thought.
Edit: Als, I do agree that 10K is too agressive for this piece.
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 31, 2008 21:23:55 GMT 1, ummm the $16K midsized piece sold about 3 weeks ago - see outsiders nyc
ummm the $16K midsized piece sold about 3 weeks ago - see outsiders nyc
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 21:24:04 GMT 1, fyi - i would rather buy Laz's canvas then arty's
fyi - i would rather buy Laz's canvas then arty's
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 31, 2008 21:25:59 GMT 1, In any case, I like Ian Francis a lot lol
Cheers
In any case, I like Ian Francis a lot lol
Cheers
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 21:26:43 GMT 1, ummm the $16K midsized piece sold about 3 weeks ago - see outsiders nyc
3 weeks ago, exchange rate was around Β£1/$1.85 - $16,000 = Β£8650, for a piece that is twice the size of artys
ummm the $16K midsized piece sold about 3 weeks ago - see outsiders nyc 3 weeks ago, exchange rate was around Β£1/$1.85 - $16,000 = Β£8650, for a piece that is twice the size of artys |
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by gebeau31 on Oct 31, 2008 21:28:55 GMT 1, what currency are we discussing?
Yes, the Outsiders piece sold at $16k USD...and it was twice as large (40" x 60") as the piece for sale here.
I would pay $10k - $12k USD for just about any of the KDF 28" x 40" IFs...but $12k is a far cry from $16k.
And yes, that LAZ piece on the website is HORRIBLE.
what currency are we discussing?
Yes, the Outsiders piece sold at $16k USD...and it was twice as large (40" x 60") as the piece for sale here.
I would pay $10k - $12k USD for just about any of the KDF 28" x 40" IFs...but $12k is a far cry from $16k.
And yes, that LAZ piece on the website is HORRIBLE.
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by bobbymeachamjr on Oct 31, 2008 21:29:36 GMT 1, don't get me wrong, if i was looking to sell and somebody did offer 7.5 gbp I'd be all over it...
don't get me wrong, if i was looking to sell and somebody did offer 7.5 gbp I'd be all over it...
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by alsbabar on Oct 31, 2008 21:31:33 GMT 1, good luck arty - nice piece hope you get the price you want for it
good luck arty - nice piece hope you get the price you want for it
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Ian Francis π¬π§ Bristol Artist β’ New Paintings β’ For Sale, by wiz on Oct 31, 2008 21:34:39 GMT 1, what currency are we discussing? Yes, the Outsiders piece sold at $16k USD...and it was twice as large (40" x 60") as the piece for sale here. I would pay $10k - $12k USD for just about any of the KDF 28" x 40" IFs...but $12k is a far cry from $16k. And yes, that LAZ piece on the website is HORRIBLE.
Isnt that all a matter of taste?.Good luck with the sale Artyfarty, in my opinion it should be 4500 - 5000 but what would i know.
what currency are we discussing? Yes, the Outsiders piece sold at $16k USD...and it was twice as large (40" x 60") as the piece for sale here. I would pay $10k - $12k USD for just about any of the KDF 28" x 40" IFs...but $12k is a far cry from $16k. And yes, that LAZ piece on the website is HORRIBLE. Isnt that all a matter of taste?.Good luck with the sale Artyfarty, in my opinion it should be 4500 - 5000 but what would i know. |
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