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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by sogr8ful on Sept 2, 2008 15:09:36 GMT 1, Hello all,
This is my first time posting on this forum so please excuse any screw-ups!
At any rate, I am currently living in Birmingham, AL so I was thrilled to hear about the art going up around town. For those who don't know, the "hanging Klansman" piece was beautifully placed in an area of town known as Ensley. Ensley is perhaps Birmingham's most economically depressed area and houses a mostly minority population so Mr. B obviously did his homework.
At any rate, my wife and I were ables to see the art in person yesterday afternoon. This is my first time seeing Banksy's street work in person and I was shocked at the detail. My pictures of the piece can be found at: www.flickr.com/photos/sogr8ful
Also, I would like to clear something else up. (Removed) has reported that the Marilyn Monroe art (found by following the link @ - was also in Birmingham. I do not think this is the case:
1) The piece looks much older * note the tag 2) I searched on whitepages.com and there is no business called Capital Rock anywhere in Alabama or Louisiana - in fact, the only one I could find anywhere in the states was in Los Angeles, CA.
At any rate, if the KKK picture is a true Banksy I was thrilled to have seen it and am waiting in anticipation that more will begin to pop-up/be found around the city.
Hello all, This is my first time posting on this forum so please excuse any screw-ups! At any rate, I am currently living in Birmingham, AL so I was thrilled to hear about the art going up around town. For those who don't know, the "hanging Klansman" piece was beautifully placed in an area of town known as Ensley. Ensley is perhaps Birmingham's most economically depressed area and houses a mostly minority population so Mr. B obviously did his homework. At any rate, my wife and I were ables to see the art in person yesterday afternoon. This is my first time seeing Banksy's street work in person and I was shocked at the detail. My pictures of the piece can be found at: www.flickr.com/photos/sogr8fulAlso, I would like to clear something else up. (Removed) has reported that the Marilyn Monroe art (found by following the link @ - was also in Birmingham. I do not think this is the case: 1) The piece looks much older * note the tag 2) I searched on whitepages.com and there is no business called Capital Rock anywhere in Alabama or Louisiana - in fact, the only one I could find anywhere in the states was in Los Angeles, CA. At any rate, if the KKK picture is a true Banksy I was thrilled to have seen it and am waiting in anticipation that more will begin to pop-up/be found around the city.
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by doublehelix on Sept 2, 2008 15:25:09 GMT 1, Hi sogr8ful, like you I was skeptical about the Marilyn piece, and turns out it's an old piece that appeared in LA years ago. Let us know if you hear of any new pieces popping up.
Hi sogr8ful, like you I was skeptical about the Marilyn piece, and turns out it's an old piece that appeared in LA years ago. Let us know if you hear of any new pieces popping up.
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by silvermyn on Sept 2, 2008 15:26:08 GMT 1, Good post sogr8ful. It's interesting to find out what the locals make of Mr B's work. Thanks for the extra pics too!
Good post sogr8ful. It's interesting to find out what the locals make of Mr B's work. Thanks for the extra pics too!
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by docmax on Sept 2, 2008 15:28:17 GMT 1, Interesting to get your view on it, glad that you guys enjoy it. Have the pieces got much media attention over there then?
Interesting to get your view on it, glad that you guys enjoy it. Have the pieces got much media attention over there then?
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by sogr8ful on Sept 2, 2008 15:39:39 GMT 1, Haven't seen any local media on it as of yet (I'm excited to see the reaction though) and there have been no reports of any other pieces being found.
Has he ever tagged a city and only done piece? With looking at the recent subject matter (Katrina, KKK) I almost envision him going town to town in the south for a while and putting up images in random spots and not staying in one place for too long? Has he ever done anything like that before?
Haven't seen any local media on it as of yet (I'm excited to see the reaction though) and there have been no reports of any other pieces being found.
Has he ever tagged a city and only done piece? With looking at the recent subject matter (Katrina, KKK) I almost envision him going town to town in the south for a while and putting up images in random spots and not staying in one place for too long? Has he ever done anything like that before?
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by doublehelix on Sept 2, 2008 15:57:27 GMT 1, I'm hoping he's touring the deep south and will continue to put up pieces as he goes. Lot's more local history and culture around the Deep South for him to draw inspiration from. Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, etc. so maybe new works will appear in Montgomery and Memphis, to name a couple of possible locations.
I'm hoping he's touring the deep south and will continue to put up pieces as he goes. Lot's more local history and culture around the Deep South for him to draw inspiration from. Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, etc. so maybe new works will appear in Montgomery and Memphis, to name a couple of possible locations.
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by Macdeee on Sept 2, 2008 16:12:25 GMT 1, Great shots sogr8ful... So nice to see some of his recent work up close.
Great shots sogr8ful... So nice to see some of his recent work up close.
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by sogr8ful on Sept 2, 2008 18:48:06 GMT 1, UPDATE: Someone has taken it upon themselves to pour a bucket of tar on top of a flower.
I drove by the site again today and the piece has been buffed out with black spray paint. Oh well, glad I got to see it when I did.
UPDATE: Someone has taken it upon themselves to pour a bucket of tar on top of a flower.
I drove by the site again today and the piece has been buffed out with black spray paint. Oh well, glad I got to see it when I did.
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by daz205 on Sept 2, 2008 20:21:02 GMT 1, well i guess it got the message to the right people then, shame it didnt last longer though
well i guess it got the message to the right people then, shame it didnt last longer though
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by skelly on Sept 3, 2008 1:58:21 GMT 1, Someone once said graffiti isn't much welcome in areas where they still look at the sky when they hear an airplane passing. So Banksy should watch out if he is indeed doing a tour of the deep south.
Someone once said graffiti isn't much welcome in areas where they still look at the sky when they hear an airplane passing. So Banksy should watch out if he is indeed doing a tour of the deep south.
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by inkdigital on Sept 3, 2008 9:15:40 GMT 1, Ensley will be seeing a bit more traffic
Ensley will be seeing a bit more traffic
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by doublehelix on Sept 3, 2008 9:56:39 GMT 1, And it's gone:
Photo from here.
And it's gone: Photo from here.
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by silvermyn on Sept 3, 2008 10:12:07 GMT 1, And it's gone: Photo from here.
That was sooooooo bound to happen
I wonder if the culprit has any idea what that piece was worth in itself and also as local tourist attraction
And it's gone: Photo from here. That was sooooooo bound to happen I wonder if the culprit has any idea what that piece was worth in itself and also as local tourist attraction
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by doublehelix on Sept 3, 2008 10:40:52 GMT 1, In a perverse way it's refreshing to see a Banksy piece being buffed rather than removed for private sale.
In a perverse way it's refreshing to see a Banksy piece being buffed rather than removed for private sale.
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by Macdeee on Sept 3, 2008 10:45:54 GMT 1, We will always have the memories.... And the photos.
We will always have the memories.... And the photos.
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by silvermyn on Sept 3, 2008 11:38:23 GMT 1, We will always have the memories.... And the photos.
Is that not what the judge said after the Max Mosely trial... ;D
We will always have the memories.... And the photos. Is that not what the judge said after the Max Mosely trial... ;D
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by Guest on Sept 3, 2008 11:43:36 GMT 1, what a great first post, welcome
what a great first post, welcome
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by jwest on Sept 3, 2008 13:36:55 GMT 1, I went down to Birmingham from Nashville Monday night to check this outโฆitโs not everyday something like this is happens so close. Got to the site around 11:30pm (not a good idea in that neighborhood that late!) only to discover that the piece had just been painted over. The paint was still drying...I was gutted.
So...we went back Tuesday morning to get a better look. We ended up sticking around for pretty much the entire afternoon. There was a steady flow of the people in the neighborhood stopping by to check it out as well as those tipped off by sites like this. It was really amazing to see the range of responses that this piece evoked. Some people saw it as death to racismโฆother just saw it as hate. As one local said...โHate breeds hateโโฆit didnโt matter to him who was hanging from the nooseโฆall he saw was hate. Overallโฆit really sparked some great conversations between people who probably never would have stopped to talk if it weren't for this piece. Love it or hate it...I think the piece did it's job.
While we were there...we had started talking to and older African-American man who ended up being the property owner. He had seen the image the day before and had come back to take video of the place โ only to find it painted over. He understood the painting and appreciated the quality of work...but he had no idea what he was dealing with...so I got to fill him in and explain why so many people were coming by to take pictures.
Long story short...in an effort to protect this image from further damage or from disappearing altogether...I told him he might want to take the piece down himself. Not sure if I'll get some flack for that on this site...but I thought it was the right thing to do. Soโฆmy friend and I ended hanging out with this amazing gentleman for the day and helped him remove the work. He did let us each keep one of the blank grey panelsโฆso I guess I can say I own an original Banksy! HA!
AnywaysโฆI told him I told him Iโd help out and try to get an idea of what something like this could fetch if being sold. Any feedback would be great! Iโd also be curious to know if anyone thinks there is any restoration that can be done. I'm not thinking there is...but I thought I'd ask.
Iโve posted pics on a flickr page. Hereโs the llnk: www.flickr.com/photos/30168380@N04/sets/72157607086585165/
I went down to Birmingham from Nashville Monday night to check this outโฆitโs not everyday something like this is happens so close. Got to the site around 11:30pm (not a good idea in that neighborhood that late!) only to discover that the piece had just been painted over. The paint was still drying...I was gutted. So...we went back Tuesday morning to get a better look. We ended up sticking around for pretty much the entire afternoon. There was a steady flow of the people in the neighborhood stopping by to check it out as well as those tipped off by sites like this. It was really amazing to see the range of responses that this piece evoked. Some people saw it as death to racismโฆother just saw it as hate. As one local said...โHate breeds hateโโฆit didnโt matter to him who was hanging from the nooseโฆall he saw was hate. Overallโฆit really sparked some great conversations between people who probably never would have stopped to talk if it weren't for this piece. Love it or hate it...I think the piece did it's job. While we were there...we had started talking to and older African-American man who ended up being the property owner. He had seen the image the day before and had come back to take video of the place โ only to find it painted over. He understood the painting and appreciated the quality of work...but he had no idea what he was dealing with...so I got to fill him in and explain why so many people were coming by to take pictures. Long story short...in an effort to protect this image from further damage or from disappearing altogether...I told him he might want to take the piece down himself. Not sure if I'll get some flack for that on this site...but I thought it was the right thing to do. Soโฆmy friend and I ended hanging out with this amazing gentleman for the day and helped him remove the work. He did let us each keep one of the blank grey panelsโฆso I guess I can say I own an original Banksy! HA! AnywaysโฆI told him I told him Iโd help out and try to get an idea of what something like this could fetch if being sold. Any feedback would be great! Iโd also be curious to know if anyone thinks there is any restoration that can be done. I'm not thinking there is...but I thought I'd ask. Iโve posted pics on a flickr page. Hereโs the llnk: www.flickr.com/photos/30168380@N04/sets/72157607086585165/
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by doublehelix on Sept 3, 2008 13:45:21 GMT 1, Nobody is going to buy it now that it's covered in paint. It's a street piece and should have stayed on the street.
Nobody is going to buy it now that it's covered in paint. It's a street piece and should have stayed on the street.
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by Daniel Silk on Sept 3, 2008 13:48:49 GMT 1, Its still an interesting piece coz we all know whats under the paint
Its still an interesting piece coz we all know whats under the paint
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by rosstierney on Sept 3, 2008 13:50:33 GMT 1, Nobody is going to buy it now that it's covered in paint. It's a street piece and should have stayed on the street.
although i agree with you, it was inevitable gray ghost was going to get to it someone was going to buff/steal it
that piece could have changed that man's life & his family's too
i'm pretty sure an opportunity like that doesn't come around every day
Nobody is going to buy it now that it's covered in paint. It's a street piece and should have stayed on the street. although i agree with you, it was inevitable gray ghost was going to get to it someone was going to buff/steal it that piece could have changed that man's life & his family's too i'm pretty sure an opportunity like that doesn't come around every day
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by doublehelix on Sept 3, 2008 13:55:32 GMT 1, Er, what on earth makes you think Grey Ghost would drive 5 hours from NOLA to buff this piece. It's covered in black spray paint not grey paint from a roller.
Er, what on earth makes you think Grey Ghost would drive 5 hours from NOLA to buff this piece. It's covered in black spray paint not grey paint from a roller.
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by rosstierney on Sept 3, 2008 14:19:43 GMT 1, doh, i was getting confused with the gray panels
i still stand by what i said though, it would only have been good for the owner to take it down complete
doh, i was getting confused with the gray panels
i still stand by what i said though, it would only have been good for the owner to take it down complete
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by spirit on Sept 3, 2008 14:24:54 GMT 1, I told him Iโd help out and try to get an idea of what something like this could fetch if being sold. Any feedback would be great!
If he'd got there a bit earlier a small fortune. Now very little I think unfortunately...
I told him Iโd help out and try to get an idea of what something like this could fetch if being sold. Any feedback would be great! If he'd got there a bit earlier a small fortune. Now very little I think unfortunately...
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by Deleted on Sept 3, 2008 14:28:24 GMT 1, doh, i was getting confused with the gray panels i still stand by what i said though, it would only have been good for the owner to take it down complete
Grey panels!? i was thinking wrong Birmingham!.
doh, i was getting confused with the gray panels i still stand by what i said though, it would only have been good for the owner to take it down complete Grey panels!? i was thinking wrong Birmingham!.
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by spirit on Sept 3, 2008 14:36:25 GMT 1, I have to say I'm not surprised that this piece was buffed so quick - it would really offend some (and I don't just mean those sympathetic to the KKK) I found it an unusual piece for Banksy to do - lacking his usual humour and certainly on the edge of acceptability for many. As that local said "hate breeds hate". I wouldn't like to be the local who buffed this once the other local who owned it found out what is was worth...could start a war down there!
I have to say I'm not surprised that this piece was buffed so quick - it would really offend some (and I don't just mean those sympathetic to the KKK) I found it an unusual piece for Banksy to do - lacking his usual humour and certainly on the edge of acceptability for many. As that local said "hate breeds hate". I wouldn't like to be the local who buffed this once the other local who owned it found out what is was worth...could start a war down there!
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by doublehelix on Sept 3, 2008 14:57:57 GMT 1, Pest Control who authenticate Banksy's work will not authenticate street pieces, as they believe they should be left on the street. So even if the piece was intact you'd have trouble selling it at auction without authentication. As it is now, I really think it's worthless.
Pest Control who authenticate Banksy's work will not authenticate street pieces, as they believe they should be left on the street. So even if the piece was intact you'd have trouble selling it at auction without authentication. As it is now, I really think it's worthless.
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by sogr8ful on Sept 3, 2008 15:36:40 GMT 1, "Hate breeds hate" is certainly an interesting point but I think what made this piece so powerful was its ability to evoke emotion (which is what art is supposed to do). I don't think anyone who saw the art could look at it without feeling something...hate, fear, shame, excitement, etc.
That is what makes this piece a Banksy.
"Hate breeds hate" is certainly an interesting point but I think what made this piece so powerful was its ability to evoke emotion (which is what art is supposed to do). I don't think anyone who saw the art could look at it without feeling something...hate, fear, shame, excitement, etc.
That is what makes this piece a Banksy.
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A locals thoughts on Banksy in Birmingham, AL~USA, by Daniel Silk on Sept 3, 2008 16:33:26 GMT 1, www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1220429804325250.xml&coll=2&thispage=1
Famed artist may have left local mark Wednesday, September 03, 2008 JEREMY GRAY News staff writer By Tuesday morning, the image of a lynched Klansman was painted over. By Tuesday afternoon, the portion of the wall the image was painted on was taken, but the question remained: Had famed graffiti artist Banksy left his mark on Birmingham?
Last week, Banksy, an English artist whose identity has never been publicly revealed and whose works have fetched millions of dollars, was reported to be in New Orleans as the third anniversary of Hurricane Katrina neared.
A New York Times article on Aug. 28 said his work while in New Orleans included "Abraham Lincoln as a homeless man pushing a basket, a marching band wearing gas masks, an old man in a rocking chair with an American flag below the words `No Loitering,' and a boy on a swing made out of a life preserver."
Doug Baulos, an art professor at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, said he believes the Klansman image, which appeared Friday on an abandoned west Birmingham gas station, to be the work of Banksy.
It was rumored, Baulos said, that Banksy was in town overnight and painted two images, although Baulos said he did not know where the other was painted or what it looked like.
Banksy apparently visited a place called the "benching spot," an area off of Morris Avenue where graffiti artists gather to look at the work of "taggers" on the passing trains, Baulos said.
"It's a cultural phenomenon," Baulos said. "A lot of graffiti artists have been economically successful, but it's illegal. I think his work is superinteresting."
The images, often spray painted on the sides of buildings using stencils, were the latest from an elusive artist whose work has been purchased for millions.
Earlier this year, a wall he painted on was detached from a building and auctioned for more than $450,000, according to an article in The Australian. A sketch he donated to England's Labour Party was auctioned for more than $350,000, according to a BBC News report.
On Friday, as people fled the Gulf Coast from Hurricane Gustav, two men, one taller, the other with a red beard, went to an abandoned Bush Boulevard Chevron station and set up a canvas screen that blocked the public's view, according to an employee of the Bush Quik Stop across the street.
When the canvas came down, the men's work - an image of the lifeless body of a man in Ku Klux Klan robes dangling from a noose - was unveiled, the employee said.
Sometime late Monday night or early Tuesday morning, the image was covered in black spray paint. By late Tuesday afternoon, that portion of the wall had mysteriously disappeared.
The employee, who would identify himself only as Shaka, said he believed young people in the community painted over the image.
"It was artistic; it was beautiful," Shaka said. "But there are so many messages you can put out there, why one promoting hate?" Shaka asked.
Several Internet blogs that follow the work of Banksy and other so-called street artists reported that the image was in fact the work of Banksy.
"After leaving New Orleans, it appears Banksy is now heading through the Deep South," wrote a poster at the New York-based Wooster Collective, a Web site that tracks Banksy's work.
Wooster founder Marc Schiller, who has tracked the artist's career, said the work was definitely Banksy's and should be on the artist's Web site in the next few days. "The people who know his work can tell the difference," Schiller said in an interview Tuesday.
Schiller said he did not know what message the artist was trying to convey. News staff writer Toraine Norris contributed to this report. On the Net
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www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1220429804325250.xml&coll=2&thispage=1Famed artist may have left local mark Wednesday, September 03, 2008 JEREMY GRAY News staff writer By Tuesday morning, the image of a lynched Klansman was painted over. By Tuesday afternoon, the portion of the wall the image was painted on was taken, but the question remained: Had famed graffiti artist Banksy left his mark on Birmingham? Last week, Banksy, an English artist whose identity has never been publicly revealed and whose works have fetched millions of dollars, was reported to be in New Orleans as the third anniversary of Hurricane Katrina neared. A New York Times article on Aug. 28 said his work while in New Orleans included "Abraham Lincoln as a homeless man pushing a basket, a marching band wearing gas masks, an old man in a rocking chair with an American flag below the words `No Loitering,' and a boy on a swing made out of a life preserver." Doug Baulos, an art professor at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, said he believes the Klansman image, which appeared Friday on an abandoned west Birmingham gas station, to be the work of Banksy. It was rumored, Baulos said, that Banksy was in town overnight and painted two images, although Baulos said he did not know where the other was painted or what it looked like. Banksy apparently visited a place called the "benching spot," an area off of Morris Avenue where graffiti artists gather to look at the work of "taggers" on the passing trains, Baulos said. "It's a cultural phenomenon," Baulos said. "A lot of graffiti artists have been economically successful, but it's illegal. I think his work is superinteresting." The images, often spray painted on the sides of buildings using stencils, were the latest from an elusive artist whose work has been purchased for millions. Earlier this year, a wall he painted on was detached from a building and auctioned for more than $450,000, according to an article in The Australian. A sketch he donated to England's Labour Party was auctioned for more than $350,000, according to a BBC News report. On Friday, as people fled the Gulf Coast from Hurricane Gustav, two men, one taller, the other with a red beard, went to an abandoned Bush Boulevard Chevron station and set up a canvas screen that blocked the public's view, according to an employee of the Bush Quik Stop across the street. When the canvas came down, the men's work - an image of the lifeless body of a man in Ku Klux Klan robes dangling from a noose - was unveiled, the employee said. Sometime late Monday night or early Tuesday morning, the image was covered in black spray paint. By late Tuesday afternoon, that portion of the wall had mysteriously disappeared. The employee, who would identify himself only as Shaka, said he believed young people in the community painted over the image. "It was artistic; it was beautiful," Shaka said. "But there are so many messages you can put out there, why one promoting hate?" Shaka asked. Several Internet blogs that follow the work of Banksy and other so-called street artists reported that the image was in fact the work of Banksy. "After leaving New Orleans, it appears Banksy is now heading through the Deep South," wrote a poster at the New York-based Wooster Collective, a Web site that tracks Banksy's work. Wooster founder Marc Schiller, who has tracked the artist's career, said the work was definitely Banksy's and should be on the artist's Web site in the next few days. "The people who know his work can tell the difference," Schiller said in an interview Tuesday. Schiller said he did not know what message the artist was trying to convey. News staff writer Toraine Norris contributed to this report. On the Net www.banksy.co.uk jgray@bhamnews.com
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