jcjcjc
New Member
Posts • 40
Likes • 0
October 2007
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by jcjcjc on Feb 8, 2008 18:57:42 GMT 1, yep! agreed.
yep! agreed.
|
|
jamesreeve5
Blank Rank
Posts • 0
Likes • 0
September 2012
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by jamesreeve5 on Feb 8, 2008 19:19:03 GMT 1, wait a second... has a leaf turned on the Banksy Forum?
wait a second... has a leaf turned on the Banksy Forum?
|
|
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by carlito on Feb 8, 2008 19:24:30 GMT 1, almost impossible to see what is relevant as it's happening, you can have a discerning eye and an understanding, but this area is moving so quickly with so many variables it's very difficult to pinpoint those that withstand the test of time other than those at the very top....value is in the eye of the beholder, by extension the eye now reaches over the Internet via ebay etc and gives u bigger (if not necessarily better) picture
almost impossible to see what is relevant as it's happening, you can have a discerning eye and an understanding, but this area is moving so quickly with so many variables it's very difficult to pinpoint those that withstand the test of time other than those at the very top....value is in the eye of the beholder, by extension the eye now reaches over the Internet via ebay etc and gives u bigger (if not necessarily better) picture
|
|
artstylee
New Member
Posts • 369
Likes • 0
January 2008
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by artstylee on Feb 8, 2008 20:47:39 GMT 1, Nick Walker signed/doodled 2-8-08 Vandal Air Balloon Poster from the show is selling for 770 on the bay. With a full day left of bidding. Surprising to see it's worth that much to collectors.
But considering the leading authority wrote,,..... Juxtapoz magazine wrote on their website homepage about the event: "In case you haven’t heard all the art buzz revolving around Nick Walker, aka The Apish Angel, the Carmichael Gallery in Los Angeles has already sold out Walker’s first American solo exhibition, titled Pretty Decorating after its opening February 2nd. Folks just can’t seem to get enough of this English street artist! Yesterday marked the world's first Urban Art Auction at Bonhams London. Two of Walker's works were included in the sale: an artist print of The Morning After (London Version), and an original Moona Lisa, 2006, signed with artist's monogram, stencil spray paint and acrylic on canvas. Nick Walker was the only artist in Bonhams Urban Art Auction who is also showing a solo exhibition of new works in the United States during the time as the auction, marking a major historical event. Bonhams Urban Art Auction is a highly anticipated event, and with Nick Walker's successful US debut at Carmichael Gallery, he is on the radar as the artist to watch and collect"
So because the show was a "Major Historic Event" people really want a show poster.
Vandal Air 2-8-08 Show/Exhibition Poster wasn't for sale at the show there was a stack that if you bought a print they'd let you have One. Looked like a stack of maybee 100 or so. Being that it was a promotional only print.
With Nick Walker's signature/doodle written on it, the poster becomes alot more collectable than I thought they would be.
The 2-8-08 Poster Signed by NW It might be rarer than the Hollywood Print because NW only signed a few dozen, then stopped because of handcramps and being exhausted. Hands still stained w/ paint from the day/night before he was over it and decided to stop signing the print semi-dissappointing the rest of the long line waiting for the artist to sign their poster. They couldn't be too mad that he couldn't sign them all they all allready got a free Promotional print. Still a great show.
Nick Walker signed/doodled 2-8-08 Vandal Air Balloon Poster from the show is selling for 770 on the bay. With a full day left of bidding. Surprising to see it's worth that much to collectors.
But considering the leading authority wrote,,..... Juxtapoz magazine wrote on their website homepage about the event: "In case you haven’t heard all the art buzz revolving around Nick Walker, aka The Apish Angel, the Carmichael Gallery in Los Angeles has already sold out Walker’s first American solo exhibition, titled Pretty Decorating after its opening February 2nd. Folks just can’t seem to get enough of this English street artist! Yesterday marked the world's first Urban Art Auction at Bonhams London. Two of Walker's works were included in the sale: an artist print of The Morning After (London Version), and an original Moona Lisa, 2006, signed with artist's monogram, stencil spray paint and acrylic on canvas. Nick Walker was the only artist in Bonhams Urban Art Auction who is also showing a solo exhibition of new works in the United States during the time as the auction, marking a major historical event. Bonhams Urban Art Auction is a highly anticipated event, and with Nick Walker's successful US debut at Carmichael Gallery, he is on the radar as the artist to watch and collect"
So because the show was a "Major Historic Event" people really want a show poster.
Vandal Air 2-8-08 Show/Exhibition Poster wasn't for sale at the show there was a stack that if you bought a print they'd let you have One. Looked like a stack of maybee 100 or so. Being that it was a promotional only print.
With Nick Walker's signature/doodle written on it, the poster becomes alot more collectable than I thought they would be.
The 2-8-08 Poster Signed by NW It might be rarer than the Hollywood Print because NW only signed a few dozen, then stopped because of handcramps and being exhausted. Hands still stained w/ paint from the day/night before he was over it and decided to stop signing the print semi-dissappointing the rest of the long line waiting for the artist to sign their poster. They couldn't be too mad that he couldn't sign them all they all allready got a free Promotional print. Still a great show.
|
|
artstylee
New Member
Posts • 369
Likes • 0
January 2008
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by artstylee on Feb 8, 2008 20:57:12 GMT 1, In regards to collecting and passion for collecting.
The actor/musician who played Sil on the Sopranos/ and plays in Bruce Springsteins band says
"Money = Respect."
The more money you can demand as an artists the more respect get in the art world. Collectors want you to respect their art collection. So they move towards work that currently get's the most respect. So to get a respectable art collection you need to put your money up if you'd like to associate your self with the greatness of the world.
People would have alot less respect for Picasso or Pollock if they weren't fetching in the Millions.
go Art!!!!!!
In regards to collecting and passion for collecting.
The actor/musician who played Sil on the Sopranos/ and plays in Bruce Springsteins band says
"Money = Respect."
The more money you can demand as an artists the more respect get in the art world. Collectors want you to respect their art collection. So they move towards work that currently get's the most respect. So to get a respectable art collection you need to put your money up if you'd like to associate your self with the greatness of the world.
People would have alot less respect for Picasso or Pollock if they weren't fetching in the Millions.
go Art!!!!!!
|
|
Harveyn
Forum Guardian
Full Member
Posts • 7,681
Likes • 4,839
July 2007
Staff Member
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by Harveyn on Feb 8, 2008 21:20:53 GMT 1, Kept skipping past this thread. Just finished reading it (I will read it again) and on first pass I have to say this is probably the best thread I have read on here since I became a member. A good reasoned debate about art. I am not currently in a position to comment on the subject matter but will now, because of this thread make sure I am in the very near future. This is exactly what this forum should have more of, not exclusively this type of debate but a great deal more.
Kept skipping past this thread. Just finished reading it (I will read it again) and on first pass I have to say this is probably the best thread I have read on here since I became a member. A good reasoned debate about art. I am not currently in a position to comment on the subject matter but will now, because of this thread make sure I am in the very near future. This is exactly what this forum should have more of, not exclusively this type of debate but a great deal more.
|
|
|
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by ricosg11 on Feb 8, 2008 21:24:17 GMT 1, Kept skipping past this thread. Just finished reading it (I will read it again) and on first pass I have to say this is probably the best thread I have read on here since I became a member. A good reasoned debate about art. I am not currently in a position to comment on the subject matter but will now, because of this thread make sure I am in the very near future. This is exactly what this forum should have more of, not exclusively this type of debate but a great deal more.
I agree and again I apologize for my harsh words in my first post. Looks like it got some good debate started though.
Kept skipping past this thread. Just finished reading it (I will read it again) and on first pass I have to say this is probably the best thread I have read on here since I became a member. A good reasoned debate about art. I am not currently in a position to comment on the subject matter but will now, because of this thread make sure I am in the very near future. This is exactly what this forum should have more of, not exclusively this type of debate but a great deal more. I agree and again I apologize for my harsh words in my first post. Looks like it got some good debate started though.
|
|
loucastel
Junior Member
Posts • 1,551
Likes • 53
October 2007
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by loucastel on Feb 8, 2008 22:21:13 GMT 1, have enjoyed reading this thread, very enlightening, I would love to comment on Duchamp's fountain, but I have niether the literary skill or education, only to say that it provoked the same responces when it was first displayed as it does now, it is art because he said it was art. the most memorable piece for me was "nude going down stairs" or something like that, considering when it was painted, it wouldnt look out of place in the Tate Modern, (I dare say someone will now tell me it is) this is art that makes you think and ask questions, which I think is the main objective of many artists , Duchamp ,a man years ahead of his time, love his work or hate it, it evokes debate.discussion.
have enjoyed reading this thread, very enlightening, I would love to comment on Duchamp's fountain, but I have niether the literary skill or education, only to say that it provoked the same responces when it was first displayed as it does now, it is art because he said it was art. the most memorable piece for me was "nude going down stairs" or something like that, considering when it was painted, it wouldnt look out of place in the Tate Modern, (I dare say someone will now tell me it is) this is art that makes you think and ask questions, which I think is the main objective of many artists , Duchamp ,a man years ahead of his time, love his work or hate it, it evokes debate.discussion.
|
|
pezlow
Junior Member
Posts • 5,388
Likes • 254
January 2007
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by pezlow on Feb 8, 2008 22:30:03 GMT 1, have enjoyed reading this thread, very enlightening, I would love to comment on Duchamp's fountain, but I have niether the literary skill or education.
I think you have just commented on it rather well Lou.
have enjoyed reading this thread, very enlightening, I would love to comment on Duchamp's fountain, but I have niether the literary skill or education. I think you have just commented on it rather well Lou.
|
|
jamesreeve5
Blank Rank
Posts • 0
Likes • 0
September 2012
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by jamesreeve5 on Feb 8, 2008 22:56:45 GMT 1, The more money you can demand as an artists the more respect get in the art world.
I think it might be the other way around though... the more respected or well known of an artist you are, the more money you can demand from your buyers.
The more money you can demand as an artists the more respect get in the art world. I think it might be the other way around though... the more respected or well known of an artist you are, the more money you can demand from your buyers.
|
|
flypitcher
New Member
Posts • 189
Likes • 0
January 2008
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by flypitcher on Feb 8, 2008 23:07:56 GMT 1, making money is art.
making money is art.
|
|
EHC
New Member
Posts • 366
Likes • 13
October 2006
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by EHC on Feb 8, 2008 23:08:31 GMT 1, The more money you can demand as an artists the more respect get in the art world. I think it might be the other way around though... the more respected or well known of an artist you are, the more money you can demand from your buyers.
I think its safe to say that it can go both ways.
The more money you can demand as an artists the more respect get in the art world. I think it might be the other way around though... the more respected or well known of an artist you are, the more money you can demand from your buyers. I think its safe to say that it can go both ways.
|
|
loucastel
Junior Member
Posts • 1,551
Likes • 53
October 2007
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by loucastel on Feb 8, 2008 23:29:48 GMT 1, The more money you can demand as an artists the more respect get in the art world. I think it might be the other way around though... the more respected or well known of an artist you are, the more money you can demand from your buyers. Trouble is a lot of the truly greats are now deceased, they are the ones who command telephone number prices, I think the closest we have living is Hirst, where it is nothing to pay £5-10million for one of his pieces.
The more money you can demand as an artists the more respect get in the art world. I think it might be the other way around though... the more respected or well known of an artist you are, the more money you can demand from your buyers. Trouble is a lot of the truly greats are now deceased, they are the ones who command telephone number prices, I think the closest we have living is Hirst, where it is nothing to pay £5-10million for one of his pieces.
|
|
EHC
New Member
Posts • 366
Likes • 13
October 2006
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by EHC on Feb 8, 2008 23:51:14 GMT 1, I think it might be the other way around though... the more respected or well known of an artist you are, the more money you can demand from your buyers. Trouble is a lot of the truly greats are now deceased, they are the ones who command telephone number prices, I think the closest we have living is Hirst, where it is nothing to pay £5-10million for one of his pieces.
Don't forget Koons
I think it might be the other way around though... the more respected or well known of an artist you are, the more money you can demand from your buyers. Trouble is a lot of the truly greats are now deceased, they are the ones who command telephone number prices, I think the closest we have living is Hirst, where it is nothing to pay £5-10million for one of his pieces. Don't forget Koons
|
|
|
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by ricosg11 on Feb 8, 2008 23:52:37 GMT 1, and murakami and richard prince
and murakami and richard prince
|
|
becksaboo
New Member
Posts • 639
Likes • 1
March 2007
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by becksaboo on Feb 9, 2008 0:47:32 GMT 1, all art is subjective so it's ridiculous to say anything is shite. can just say it's not to my taste. i think it;s fantastic that there's so many artists around at the mo- it doesn't matter that i don't like them as others do
but if someone creates art but no-one else likes it, does that mean it isn't art? no because it's one person's way of expressing whatever so it's irrelevent. If you know what i mean.
all art is subjective so it's ridiculous to say anything is shite. can just say it's not to my taste. i think it;s fantastic that there's so many artists around at the mo- it doesn't matter that i don't like them as others do
but if someone creates art but no-one else likes it, does that mean it isn't art? no because it's one person's way of expressing whatever so it's irrelevent. If you know what i mean.
|
|
corisma
New Member
Posts • 346
Likes • 0
July 2006
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by corisma on Feb 9, 2008 3:18:54 GMT 1, the estimate is 1.5 million pounds - 2 million pounds.
is that because it'll never actually sell ?
stick it up on the bay & it'll sell for what it is worth
the estimate is 1.5 million pounds - 2 million pounds. is that because it'll never actually sell ? stick it up on the bay & it'll sell for what it is worth
|
|
beyond
New Member
Posts • 131
Likes • 1
December 2006
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by beyond on Feb 9, 2008 3:36:34 GMT 1, After reading this thread through and going back to the original picture it still looks like a nursery school scribble and if i had 2 mill burning a hole in my pocket this would possibly be the last thing i would spend it on.
After reading this thread through and going back to the original picture it still looks like a nursery school scribble and if i had 2 mill burning a hole in my pocket this would possibly be the last thing i would spend it on.
|
|
imobiliare
New Member
Posts • 2
Likes • 0
January 2008
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by imobiliare on Feb 9, 2008 10:49:26 GMT 1, it does seem to me that you lot are only prepared to endorse anything that has appeared on POW/LAZINC and are therefore creating your own little art world/scene where you inflate the prices of the pieces you purchase before you have even had the opportunity to purchase them. To quote your hero 'i cant believe you morons buy this shit'....
Artists such as Cy Twombly opened peoples minds and altered perspectives on art. Its just a bit more challenging to understand than your particular scene. Maybe like the influence of delta blues on modern music?
it does seem to me that you lot are only prepared to endorse anything that has appeared on POW/LAZINC and are therefore creating your own little art world/scene where you inflate the prices of the pieces you purchase before you have even had the opportunity to purchase them. To quote your hero 'i cant believe you morons buy this shit'....
Artists such as Cy Twombly opened peoples minds and altered perspectives on art. Its just a bit more challenging to understand than your particular scene. Maybe like the influence of delta blues on modern music?
|
|
romanywg
Junior Member
Posts • 4,093
Likes • 36
October 2006
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by romanywg on Feb 9, 2008 10:58:17 GMT 1, Trouble is a lot of the truly greats are now deceased, they are the ones who command telephone number prices, I think the closest we have living is Hirst, where it is nothing to pay £5-10million for one of his pieces. Don't forget Koons Or Peter Doig. Exhibition on at Tate Britain right now. Englands most expensive living artist until recently.
Trouble is a lot of the truly greats are now deceased, they are the ones who command telephone number prices, I think the closest we have living is Hirst, where it is nothing to pay £5-10million for one of his pieces. Don't forget Koons Or Peter Doig. Exhibition on at Tate Britain right now. Englands most expensive living artist until recently.
|
|
jcjcjc
New Member
Posts • 40
Likes • 0
October 2007
|
For anyone who thought prices @ Bonhams were nuts!, by jcjcjc on Feb 9, 2008 13:30:50 GMT 1, Price of an artists work often has more to do with his/her ability to play the art markets politics and willingness to play the "Game". An interesting case in point was an American Arist name Jack Goldstein. He is work looking up and understanding as he pioneered cinematographic art and influenced a generation of Artists including some of the names. We turned his back on the Art scene having become disolutioned by the commercialism and become a virtual recluse before sadly commiting suicide a few years ago. I have a painting done by him in the 80s which I bought over 10 years ago for a very low sum of money by todays standards as I believed it to be a fabulous piece. It is the most appreciated piece I have on my walls and is a stunning canvas with the paint having been spray painted in layers using multiple stencils. Sounds a familiar style! His art is only now starting to gain the aclaim it deserves but is still far cheaper than a banksy or a Neate. Banksy is an expert at playing the "game". For a guerilla artist he is very well represented by a powerful marketing machine. Ergo, his price goes up making everyone, including himself a lot of money. What we are seeing with the urban art scene is unprecedented. Artists used to spend years pedaling their works through the galleries and the auction houses would not resell or touch their works until very well established. It's all turned on it's head now as helps make money faster for more. Is this all for real or just another bubble in the making?
Price of an artists work often has more to do with his/her ability to play the art markets politics and willingness to play the "Game". An interesting case in point was an American Arist name Jack Goldstein. He is work looking up and understanding as he pioneered cinematographic art and influenced a generation of Artists including some of the names. We turned his back on the Art scene having become disolutioned by the commercialism and become a virtual recluse before sadly commiting suicide a few years ago. I have a painting done by him in the 80s which I bought over 10 years ago for a very low sum of money by todays standards as I believed it to be a fabulous piece. It is the most appreciated piece I have on my walls and is a stunning canvas with the paint having been spray painted in layers using multiple stencils. Sounds a familiar style! His art is only now starting to gain the aclaim it deserves but is still far cheaper than a banksy or a Neate. Banksy is an expert at playing the "game". For a guerilla artist he is very well represented by a powerful marketing machine. Ergo, his price goes up making everyone, including himself a lot of money. What we are seeing with the urban art scene is unprecedented. Artists used to spend years pedaling their works through the galleries and the auction houses would not resell or touch their works until very well established. It's all turned on it's head now as helps make money faster for more. Is this all for real or just another bubble in the making?
|
|