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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 1, 2008 0:45:14 GMT 1, NICE IMAGE BUT I SEE HUNDREDS OF NICE IMAGES A DAY. THIS TYPE OF STUFF IS NOT GOING TO GET YOU ANYWHERE IN THE ART WORLD. STRIVE FOR SOMETHING CREATIVE.
I think that such a comment would be justified only in the context of members knowing what you do everyday Rural. I'm not angling to get in anyone's bad books here, but your comment left me curious. Are you a contemporary art critic/journo at one of the newspapers or perhaps do you run a successful gallery somewhere? Seems like you must have a pretty thorough understanding of the art world. (I want your job by the way!!)
I'm just a simpleton who knows what he likes, but it seems the response has been overwhelmingly positive, bar yours. I'd certainly hang this piece in preference to a lot of the work I see by more established artists, so I genuinely am curious and interested, why the harsh word? After all, super glue and burns in particular seem like extremely creative media to me.
NICE IMAGE BUT I SEE HUNDREDS OF NICE IMAGES A DAY. THIS TYPE OF STUFF IS NOT GOING TO GET YOU ANYWHERE IN THE ART WORLD. STRIVE FOR SOMETHING CREATIVE. I think that such a comment would be justified only in the context of members knowing what you do everyday Rural. I'm not angling to get in anyone's bad books here, but your comment left me curious. Are you a contemporary art critic/journo at one of the newspapers or perhaps do you run a successful gallery somewhere? Seems like you must have a pretty thorough understanding of the art world. (I want your job by the way!!) I'm just a simpleton who knows what he likes, but it seems the response has been overwhelmingly positive, bar yours. I'd certainly hang this piece in preference to a lot of the work I see by more established artists, so I genuinely am curious and interested, why the harsh word? After all, super glue and burns in particular seem like extremely creative media to me.
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by holden on Apr 1, 2008 1:04:54 GMT 1, NICE IMAGE BUT I SEE HUNDREDS OF NICE IMAGES A DAY. THIS TYPE OF STUFF IS NOT GOING TO GET YOU ANYWHERE IN THE ART WORLD. STRIVE FOR SOMETHING CREATIVE. I think that such a comment would be justified only in the context of members knowing what you do everyday Rural. I'm not angling to get in anyone's bad books here, but your comment left me curious. Are you a contemporary art critic/journo at one of the newspapers or perhaps do you run a successful gallery somewhere? Seems like you must have a pretty thorough understanding of the art world. (I want your job by the way!!) I'm just a simpleton who knows what he likes, but it seems the response has been overwhelmingly positive, bar yours. I'd certainly hang this piece in preference to a lot of the work I see by more established artists, so I genuinely am curious and interested, why the harsh word? After all, super glue and burns in particular seem like extremely creative media to me.
It'll be the usual
Hit & Run
NICE IMAGE BUT I SEE HUNDREDS OF NICE IMAGES A DAY. THIS TYPE OF STUFF IS NOT GOING TO GET YOU ANYWHERE IN THE ART WORLD. STRIVE FOR SOMETHING CREATIVE. I think that such a comment would be justified only in the context of members knowing what you do everyday Rural. I'm not angling to get in anyone's bad books here, but your comment left me curious. Are you a contemporary art critic/journo at one of the newspapers or perhaps do you run a successful gallery somewhere? Seems like you must have a pretty thorough understanding of the art world. (I want your job by the way!!) I'm just a simpleton who knows what he likes, but it seems the response has been overwhelmingly positive, bar yours. I'd certainly hang this piece in preference to a lot of the work I see by more established artists, so I genuinely am curious and interested, why the harsh word? After all, super glue and burns in particular seem like extremely creative media to me. It'll be the usual Hit & Run
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by rurualhick on Apr 1, 2008 3:29:04 GMT 1, I'LL KEEP IT SIMPLE FOR Y'ALL: 1. NICE LTITTLE IMAGE BUT DOES NOT STAND OUT AMONG THE THOUSANDS OF IMAGES THAT ARE CREATED ON A DAILY BASIS FROM ARTISTS/GRAPHIC DESIGNERS/GRANDMOTHERS AROUND THE WORLD. THE IMAGE SHOWS A BIT OF TECHNICAL PROWESS BUT...
2. LACKING CREATIVITY, from wiki: Creativity (or "creativeness") is a mental process involving the generation of new ideas or concepts, or new associations between existing ideas or concepts.
From a scientific point of view, the products of creative thought (sometimes referred to as divergent thought) are usually considered to have both originality and appropriateness. An alternative, more everyday conception of creativity is that it is simply the act of making something new.
ALL I'M SAYING IS STRIVE FOR HIGHER BECAUSE THERES NOTHING NEW HERE.
I'LL KEEP IT SIMPLE FOR Y'ALL: 1. NICE LTITTLE IMAGE BUT DOES NOT STAND OUT AMONG THE THOUSANDS OF IMAGES THAT ARE CREATED ON A DAILY BASIS FROM ARTISTS/GRAPHIC DESIGNERS/GRANDMOTHERS AROUND THE WORLD. THE IMAGE SHOWS A BIT OF TECHNICAL PROWESS BUT...
2. LACKING CREATIVITY, from wiki: Creativity (or "creativeness") is a mental process involving the generation of new ideas or concepts, or new associations between existing ideas or concepts.
From a scientific point of view, the products of creative thought (sometimes referred to as divergent thought) are usually considered to have both originality and appropriateness. An alternative, more everyday conception of creativity is that it is simply the act of making something new.
ALL I'M SAYING IS STRIVE FOR HIGHER BECAUSE THERES NOTHING NEW HERE.
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by goffy on Apr 1, 2008 3:34:30 GMT 1, And that is YOUR view. Why is the last few things I have read from you sexist or angry? Chill out.
And that is YOUR view. Why is the last few things I have read from you sexist or angry? Chill out.
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by rurualhick on Apr 1, 2008 3:42:41 GMT 1, ANGRY? I'M JUST GIVING THE GUY SOME ADVICE. TRUST ME, THE ART WORLD IS MADE UP OF HAVES AND HAVE NOTS. THE HAVES ARE LESS THAN 1%. STRIVE TO STAND OUT.
ANGRY? I'M JUST GIVING THE GUY SOME ADVICE. TRUST ME, THE ART WORLD IS MADE UP OF HAVES AND HAVE NOTS. THE HAVES ARE LESS THAN 1%. STRIVE TO STAND OUT.
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by goffy on Apr 1, 2008 3:46:44 GMT 1, I am sure he will be very grateful FOR YOUR ADVICE. You obviously know everything.
I am sure he will be very grateful FOR YOUR ADVICE. You obviously know everything.
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rurualhick
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by rurualhick on Apr 1, 2008 3:50:01 GMT 1, SUCCESSFUL ARTIST = AN ARTIST WHO PUSHES HIMSELF
SUCCESSFUL ARTIST = AN ARTIST WHO PUSHES HIMSELF
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goffy
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by goffy on Apr 1, 2008 3:51:41 GMT 1, SO EVERY ARTIST THAT PUSHES THEMSELVES IS SUCCESSFUL?
SO EVERY ARTIST THAT PUSHES THEMSELVES IS SUCCESSFUL?
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rurualhick
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by rurualhick on Apr 1, 2008 3:54:32 GMT 1, NO BUT THAT IS A PRE REQUISITE
NO BUT THAT IS A PRE REQUISITE
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by goffy on Apr 1, 2008 3:59:02 GMT 1, Would love to carry this on but my break is up and I have to get back to work.
Would love to carry this on but my break is up and I have to get back to work.
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Heavyconsumer
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 1, 2008 4:18:55 GMT 1, Ruralhick, while everyone's opinion is valid, believing that one's own is more valid is a pretty arrogant trait. One would hope you could reread this thread and be self aware enough to spot the tone of self-importance that overrides and somewhat dilutes your comments. As an appreciator of art, which I believe you are, I'm certain (looking at your comments and use of language) that you're smart enough to present your opinions in a less abrasive and thus more constructive manner. In that instance said opinions are far more likely to be helpful (effective even) and less so to offend. Just friendly advice!
For what it's worth I strongly disagree. While I don't find the subject matter overly creative, I do find the technique and effect innovative and intriguing enough to keep me looking, not to mention the fact that the piece is aesthetically pleasing. Like any piece, some will like it more than others, but I've read nothing from you that validates this sense that you feel your own opinion should be considered more highly or qualified than those of the artists who've commended the work. I did ask if you could qualify your comment through genuine intrigue, but you've failed to do so, instead repeating negative themes and professing to have greater insight to the "art world" than others without explanation as to why this is. Opinions are opinions not facts and should be presented as such.
Ruralhick, while everyone's opinion is valid, believing that one's own is more valid is a pretty arrogant trait. One would hope you could reread this thread and be self aware enough to spot the tone of self-importance that overrides and somewhat dilutes your comments. As an appreciator of art, which I believe you are, I'm certain (looking at your comments and use of language) that you're smart enough to present your opinions in a less abrasive and thus more constructive manner. In that instance said opinions are far more likely to be helpful (effective even) and less so to offend. Just friendly advice!
For what it's worth I strongly disagree. While I don't find the subject matter overly creative, I do find the technique and effect innovative and intriguing enough to keep me looking, not to mention the fact that the piece is aesthetically pleasing. Like any piece, some will like it more than others, but I've read nothing from you that validates this sense that you feel your own opinion should be considered more highly or qualified than those of the artists who've commended the work. I did ask if you could qualify your comment through genuine intrigue, but you've failed to do so, instead repeating negative themes and professing to have greater insight to the "art world" than others without explanation as to why this is. Opinions are opinions not facts and should be presented as such.
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 1, 2008 4:49:54 GMT 1, Let's see some more of your new work when it's available please mate. It's beautiful!
Let's see some more of your new work when it's available please mate. It's beautiful!
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by steve on Apr 1, 2008 8:07:46 GMT 1, NICE IMAGE BUT I SEE HUNDREDS OF NICE IMAGES A DAY. THIS TYPE OF STUFF IS NOT GOING TO GET YOU ANYWHERE IN THE ART WORLD. STRIVE FOR SOMETHING CREATIVE.
ok, so what have you seen amongst the "hundreds of images you see daily" that in your opinion is "creative" and excites you then? Playboy doesn't count
NICE IMAGE BUT I SEE HUNDREDS OF NICE IMAGES A DAY. THIS TYPE OF STUFF IS NOT GOING TO GET YOU ANYWHERE IN THE ART WORLD. STRIVE FOR SOMETHING CREATIVE. ok, so what have you seen amongst the "hundreds of images you see daily" that in your opinion is "creative" and excites you then? Playboy doesn't count
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by rurualhick on Apr 1, 2008 21:25:24 GMT 1, HEAVYCONSUMER, DO YA KNOW WHAT REAL GALLERIES DO? THEY DON'T TAKE YOU IN IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE SOME PAINT DRIP EFFECTS. REAL GALLERIES ARE EXTREMELY STRICT AND EVEN IF THEY REALLY LIKE YOUR WORK IT STILL PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH. YOU HAVE TO BLOW THEM AWAY. THEY REJECT 99.9% OF THE PORTFOLIOS THEY SEE. MANY DON'T EVEN REACH THEIR EYES. GIVE THEM SOMETHING THAT STIMULATE BOTH VISUALLY AND CONCEPTUALLY. MOST GALLERY HEADS HAVE "SEEN IT ALL" AND HAVE THEIR OWN VISION. NICE GETS YOU NOWHERE.
HEAVYCONSUMER, DO YA KNOW WHAT REAL GALLERIES DO? THEY DON'T TAKE YOU IN IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE SOME PAINT DRIP EFFECTS. REAL GALLERIES ARE EXTREMELY STRICT AND EVEN IF THEY REALLY LIKE YOUR WORK IT STILL PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH. YOU HAVE TO BLOW THEM AWAY. THEY REJECT 99.9% OF THE PORTFOLIOS THEY SEE. MANY DON'T EVEN REACH THEIR EYES. GIVE THEM SOMETHING THAT STIMULATE BOTH VISUALLY AND CONCEPTUALLY. MOST GALLERY HEADS HAVE "SEEN IT ALL" AND HAVE THEIR OWN VISION. NICE GETS YOU NOWHERE.
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by graeme501 on Apr 1, 2008 21:30:40 GMT 1, what artists blow u away then ruralhick ?
what artists blow u away then ruralhick ?
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by nacional on Apr 1, 2008 21:33:33 GMT 1, Beejoir, immodium, almost 4000 quid, Belgrave gallery, paintdrips, proper gallery??
www.belgravegallery.com/pages/single/2680/49.html
"Thwack" (the sound of a case being rested...) or quite possibly "Plop."
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by pramface on Apr 1, 2008 21:50:21 GMT 1,
and what exactly is new and innovative about that?
a cheap gag where the real joke is the price
and what exactly is new and innovative about that? a cheap gag where the real joke is the price
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by pramface on Apr 1, 2008 21:55:13 GMT 1, ruralhick makes good and valid points. i hope 'neverwork' reads them
this image is nothing more than athena style wall fodder..
is everyone blind to the amount of 'artists' popping up looking for the quick buck? or is it because so many jokers are trying to get an 'online gallery' going and flog this pap to simpletons?
ruralhick makes good and valid points. i hope 'neverwork' reads them
this image is nothing more than athena style wall fodder..
is everyone blind to the amount of 'artists' popping up looking for the quick buck? or is it because so many jokers are trying to get an 'online gallery' going and flog this pap to simpletons?
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by nacional on Apr 1, 2008 21:59:38 GMT 1, Never said it was new or innovative. Since when does art have to be new and innovative to be good/ effective/ just beatiful anyway??
My point was in answer to rurals rant about "real" galleries and paint drips.
The market rate is the market rate. It cost almost 4 grand because people are prepared to pay 4 grand. Has banksy's Kate Moss become almost 50 times better than it was when it first sold for (I think) 2 grand. Obviously not. But the market dictates the price is flirting with 90 grand, so up it goes.
By all means don't like it, but for goodness sake give a real reason, not a meaningless comment.
All IMO and with greatest respect to all concerned....
Never said it was new or innovative. Since when does art have to be new and innovative to be good/ effective/ just beatiful anyway??
My point was in answer to rurals rant about "real" galleries and paint drips.
The market rate is the market rate. It cost almost 4 grand because people are prepared to pay 4 grand. Has banksy's Kate Moss become almost 50 times better than it was when it first sold for (I think) 2 grand. Obviously not. But the market dictates the price is flirting with 90 grand, so up it goes.
By all means don't like it, but for goodness sake give a real reason, not a meaningless comment.
All IMO and with greatest respect to all concerned....
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by graeme501 on Apr 1, 2008 22:00:52 GMT 1, whats wrong with people being creative and producing good art, u and rural hick's attitude seems to be if its not the next neate, banksy or hirst then its not worth bothering about, which IMO could not be more wrong
nevermind the jokers that set up online galleries that u were talking about, what about some of the jokers that are posing as forum members
whats wrong with people being creative and producing good art, u and rural hick's attitude seems to be if its not the next neate, banksy or hirst then its not worth bothering about, which IMO could not be more wrong
nevermind the jokers that set up online galleries that u were talking about, what about some of the jokers that are posing as forum members
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by dotdot on Apr 1, 2008 22:01:00 GMT 1, HEAVYCONSUMER, DO YA KNOW WHAT REAL GALLERIES DO? THEY DON'T TAKE YOU IN IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE SOME PAINT DRIP EFFECTS. REAL GALLERIES ARE EXTREMELY STRICT AND EVEN IF THEY REALLY LIKE YOUR WORK IT STILL PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH. YOU HAVE TO BLOW THEM AWAY. THEY REJECT 99.9% OF THE PORTFOLIOS THEY SEE. MANY DON'T EVEN REACH THEIR EYES. GIVE THEM SOMETHING THAT STIMULATE BOTH VISUALLY AND CONCEPTUALLY. MOST GALLERY HEADS HAVE "SEEN IT ALL" AND HAVE THEIR OWN VISION. NICE GETS YOU NOWHERE.
Whilst i can't compete with the extensive usage of capital letters you have many valid points - they are however and yes I'm sorry to say - lost in your vitriol.
If an artist chooses to post on this board then surely you'll agree that's their choice - for critiques as well as 'abuse' on occasion.
However - extensive vitriol kind of cheapens your message - which I'm sure you'll agree is not your actual message.
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HEAVYCONSUMER, DO YA KNOW WHAT REAL GALLERIES DO? THEY DON'T TAKE YOU IN IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE SOME PAINT DRIP EFFECTS. REAL GALLERIES ARE EXTREMELY STRICT AND EVEN IF THEY REALLY LIKE YOUR WORK IT STILL PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH. YOU HAVE TO BLOW THEM AWAY. THEY REJECT 99.9% OF THE PORTFOLIOS THEY SEE. MANY DON'T EVEN REACH THEIR EYES. GIVE THEM SOMETHING THAT STIMULATE BOTH VISUALLY AND CONCEPTUALLY. MOST GALLERY HEADS HAVE "SEEN IT ALL" AND HAVE THEIR OWN VISION. NICE GETS YOU NOWHERE. Whilst i can't compete with the extensive usage of capital letters you have many valid points - they are however and yes I'm sorry to say - lost in your vitriol. If an artist chooses to post on this board then surely you'll agree that's their choice - for critiques as well as 'abuse' on occasion. However - extensive vitriol kind of cheapens your message - which I'm sure you'll agree is not your actual message. ..
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by manty on Apr 1, 2008 22:02:54 GMT 1, I like it, and would like one for my wall
Peace :-)
I like it, and would like one for my wall
Peace :-)
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by steve on Apr 1, 2008 22:27:16 GMT 1, I like it, and would like one for my wall Peace :-)
along with many many others Manty, nice one ;D
I like it, and would like one for my wall Peace :-) along with many many others Manty, nice one ;D
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by sahoria on Apr 1, 2008 22:34:15 GMT 1, agree on my wall would look fantastic...lol... appreciate it for what it is... beautiful art piece and i know that is my opinion but that is all what counts at the end of the day...
i still think it is unique and it stands out to me as i am sure many others... looking forward to viewing the whole set and during the year seeing more of the artwork in person...s
agree on my wall would look fantastic...lol... appreciate it for what it is... beautiful art piece and i know that is my opinion but that is all what counts at the end of the day...
i still think it is unique and it stands out to me as i am sure many others... looking forward to viewing the whole set and during the year seeing more of the artwork in person...s
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 2, 2008 6:15:12 GMT 1, Sahoria, how dare you? That sort of attitude will get you nowhere! It's quite clear by his use of caps that Rural's opinion is far more valid! Although I still haven't read why that is!
I can't help but feel he's talking bollox though! When I look at these new pieces of NW in this particular style, what jumps out at me is his innovative use of unusual media and the overall effect, which is extremely attractive. Sahoria, I think we'll have to just roll over and plead simplicity! (and of course bow to the superiority of rural) Clearly there need be much more to art than the enjoyment of the beholder, I'm just too simple to understand what that is. Here was me thinking that Banksy and Neate were onto something with their questioning the value and meaning of art, but they must be wrong too I guess!
Sahoria, how dare you? That sort of attitude will get you nowhere! It's quite clear by his use of caps that Rural's opinion is far more valid! Although I still haven't read why that is!
I can't help but feel he's talking bollox though! When I look at these new pieces of NW in this particular style, what jumps out at me is his innovative use of unusual media and the overall effect, which is extremely attractive. Sahoria, I think we'll have to just roll over and plead simplicity! (and of course bow to the superiority of rural) Clearly there need be much more to art than the enjoyment of the beholder, I'm just too simple to understand what that is. Here was me thinking that Banksy and Neate were onto something with their questioning the value and meaning of art, but they must be wrong too I guess!
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by jboy on Jul 4, 2007 0:30:01 GMT 1, duck-artshop.com
just appeared - some only edition of 9
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duck-artshop.com
just appeared - some only edition of 9
J
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by megaelch on Jul 4, 2007 7:53:00 GMT 1, freaky work by him .. i have his monkey on sprayed metal on my wall .... absolutely stunning .. thinking about buying some more .... LE prints for 35 GBP !
freaky work by him .. i have his monkey on sprayed metal on my wall .... absolutely stunning .. thinking about buying some more .... LE prints for 35 GBP !
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by steve on Jan 31, 2008 16:26:53 GMT 1, should have put it here in the first place...oops!
Info now up on the site: www.hipartgallery.com/artists/Neverwork/index.asp
Send us a mail through if you'd like one.
sales@hipartgallery.com
Cheers, Steve
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by bombshelter on Jan 31, 2008 17:41:38 GMT 1, You got the price right on this??
You got the price right on this??
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Neverwork ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by holden on Apr 1, 2008 10:29:26 GMT 1, Thanks for this, love the layering, love the message Arrived half way round the world in mint condition courtesy of some great box making! All the best H
Thanks for this, love the layering, love the message Arrived half way round the world in mint condition courtesy of some great box making! All the best H
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