Urban Art Association

here's the link in english
slamxhype.com/art-design/banksy-vs-robbo/

I'm just gona repost what I said in the regents canal thread because this is exactly the kind of s**t I'm talking about. I've nothing against Robbo taking his spot back in the slightest but I wish people wouldn't be so quick to jump on Banksy over this.

"Bugs me that none of them show any pictures of how wrecked robbos piece was anyway, quality journalism there.

All this about Banksy's lack of respect, Robbo slapped him which is fairly f**king disrespectful in itself but then to go yapping about it to all and sundry in a book? You'd swear Banksy's not allowed to have any pride!
Someone going over your work or slapping you in the face and running their mouth... I know which I find more disrespectful."

i dont understand this at all. sorry.

there are wars and famine happening out there and then somewhere out there, there are these grown men (i mean these dudes must be in their forties?) here getting severely upset about how something they have done 25 years ago, which let us not forget, has been tagged to hell, is being covered up by banksy.

This is really ridiculous. Im sorry. It really is.

His thoughts and feelings have been echoed throughout the entire community, and universally agree, it was not even remotely the right thing to do...

Did you even see the photo posted of the work tagged so badly it was completely ruined. PMSL

Is that directed to me, or Revok? You realize that was a quote from HIS website, and not my words, right?

My point in posting that was specifically to bring another view; that it has (intentionally or not) caused alot of people to be pissed off at Banksy right now...

...People that are highly respected friends of his and have been instrumental to his success.

Believe me, nobody's crying. In fact, I'm laughing at YOU, and how seriously YOU seem to take this game. I could give a shit, personally.

If this is an act of solidarity by Banksy and Robbo, then that's great, but I'm not so sure that's the case.

From a great blog from a great street artist as Gaia is... Here it is his opinion about Banksy vs Robbo ...

"It seems as though Banksy has truly done it again. When it seems like he has exhausted his long list of issues to take shots at, there is always one more trick up his wry sleeve. There is not a single member of the street art community that I can think of that has so brazenly challenged its aggressive and cantankerous older brother, graffiti. And for good reason, considering the retribution for going over any writer is not worth the effort or the pain.

Instead, artists who do not define themselves as writers, or frankly take on the kind of risk and responsibility of writers, are relegated to primarily street art or virgin spots. It seems that wheatpaste has only grazed (or maybe graced) a throwup or old school piece out of ignorance, not as a provocation; most notably Shepherd Fairey's encounter with Marty, and the whole DYM incident revolving around Jace and 11 spring (of course there are even some personal anecdotes that I won't go into.) In all of the countless cases in which street art has stepped on writers' toes, the transgressions have warranted outcries, apologies, and even formal letters of justification.

But here we have Street Art's most celebrated figure actually instrumentalizing an old school piece and incorporating it into the work UNapologetically. This is not a situation of callous poster application and graff forum howling, which is undoubtedly followed by a lauded takeback. Instead, Banksy scoped the spot, made the effort to cross the canal, and then turned a 24 year old piece into wallpaper, which despite being the ultimate offense, poses some interesting considerations. Firstly, instead of succumbing to graffiti's belligerence, Banksy confronted and subverted its methods. In a satirical statement, we see the old school converted into figurative wall paper (while of course it is still paint). Robbo actually becomes controversial wheatpaste, the very medium that is so loathsome to aerosol, and in doing so essentially the piece is reinvigorated back into the spotlight of attention.

And this is precisely the most fascinating point, this revisiting of a piece that stood in a position of relative inertia (disregarding the countless tags that tarnished its former glory). This is the conflict of the contemporaneity of street art and the rigidity of graffiti. Banksy, by daring to perpetrate the ultimate taboo, basically capping a piece of history, has problematized the structure of how work on the street functions. He has epitomized this dichotomy between of the amorphous, forgiving nature of Street Art, and the unbending, intensely hierarchical and historically obsessed operations of graffiti. He has taken the prohibited, under the looming risk of serious punishment, and made it his own. Ultimately, Banksy has disputed the static hierarchy of graffiti that is founded upon an insecurity of the ephemeral with a brave, new gesture that is unafraid of ramification or change. While I am saddened by the loss of such a remarkably old artifact, I am simultaneously encouraged by the confrontation that has awoken this sleeping relic from its slumber.

But then again, I am a street artist, so what is my opinion really worth. "

(http://www.juxtapoz.com/92-Gaia/15645-regarding-the-banksy-over-robbo-incident)

Some perspective at last. Great post.

Much luv

Jetset people go over banksy every day and there's no calls for heads to roll, in fact you'll see nothing but laughs for the way robbos come back here. No double standards there.
And yes, it was already fucked therefore it was ok to go over it. It's like buying a battered old ford escort just so you can drive the shit out of it in a field, not something you'd do with a new car. My logic, retarded or not.

+1
Bruised egos aside there's not very much talk of the actual point of the piece.

By the way, and for the record:

Adjective

Retarded

1. Delayed in development.

retarded growth

"The idea that the use of the word "retarded" is always politically incorrect is retarded".

I'll give you a clue, it was directed at whoever wrote the bit I quoted. That's why I quoted it. Need me to draw a picture so you can understand?



Me take this 'game' seriously? LOL, dream on! I've bought a couple of Banksy prints and like looking at a few of the pretty pictures on this website. I haven't tried to create a 'career' by creating some tin pot internet gallery! But good luck to you continuing to leech off others to earn a crust, judging by your reputation on here and the Obey forums, you're doing a fine job.

Mrjetset,

Have you ever thought of hiring a PR company to take over your online ramblings? PMSL ;D

I think you'll find the way you carrying on is retarded to your business then.

Making all the enemy you seem to be doing on here and other forums can only retard the growth of your business. You seem to be alienating some of your target customers.

That is retarded

Jetset - not sure where your post went, but I had time to give it a quick read. Thanks for the mature reply and your invitation, I appreciate it.

My distrust of galleries is the same as my distrust of anyone that manages/handles creative talent and makes money off the back of it...I find that when there so many chancers out there then I am naturally dubious until a gallery shows its worth/integrity. If I offended you in my post, then I apologise, it isn't personal as I've never met ya.