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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by bullet on Oct 19, 2010 15:49:20 GMT 1, there is a load of complications. for one people think its us putting them on ebay and two images used without permission (and still within copyright) is quite a serious issue.
Also i would like to think these are making walls, the point of them was not to flip hence why they are reasonably priced. I just want to draw a line under the ebay argument as i read on another forum that someone claims it was us putting them on ebay.
i can categorically say its nothing to do with us. BUT we probably will probably try to make it as hard for the seller as possible though if its someone who has taken the piss.
The print that finished the other day was won by us, do not take the Β£51 on that one as the realistic price. We dont care how much they go for. We won the item to find out the seller then reported them for using our images and then made sure their name and address was removed from doing it again.
Yes it was probably not the smartest of things, but hopefully it puts people off from doing it again.
there is a load of complications. for one people think its us putting them on ebay and two images used without permission (and still within copyright) is quite a serious issue.
Also i would like to think these are making walls, the point of them was not to flip hence why they are reasonably priced. I just want to draw a line under the ebay argument as i read on another forum that someone claims it was us putting them on ebay.
i can categorically say its nothing to do with us. BUT we probably will probably try to make it as hard for the seller as possible though if its someone who has taken the piss.
The print that finished the other day was won by us, do not take the Β£51 on that one as the realistic price. We dont care how much they go for. We won the item to find out the seller then reported them for using our images and then made sure their name and address was removed from doing it again.
Yes it was probably not the smartest of things, but hopefully it puts people off from doing it again.
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by bazzj04 on Oct 19, 2010 15:51:09 GMT 1, I got a tattoo of your "Thinker" image on my chest, will post a pic tonight hope its ok
I got a tattoo of your "Thinker" image on my chest, will post a pic tonight hope its ok
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by bazzj04 on Oct 19, 2010 15:51:54 GMT 1, I guess no prints are released with the intention of the buyer flipping though >? but shit can happen.
I guess no prints are released with the intention of the buyer flipping though >? but shit can happen.
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by aprilla2 on Oct 19, 2010 16:01:32 GMT 1, there is a load of complications. for one people think its us putting them on ebay and two images used without permission (and still within copyright) is quite a serious issue. Also i would like to think these are making walls, the point of them was not to flip hence why they are reasonably priced. I just want to draw a line under the ebay argument as i read on another forum that someone claims it was us putting them on ebay. i can categorically say its nothing to do with us. BUT we probably will probably try to make it as hard for the seller as possible though if its someone who has taken the piss. The print that finished the other day was won by us, do not take the Β£51 on that one as the realistic price. We dont care how much they go for. We won the item to find out the seller then reported them for using our images and then made sure their name and address was removed from doing it again. Yes it was probably not the smartest of things, but hopefully it puts people off from doing it again.
HOLD ON ! so you bid up and won your print back ?
there is a load of complications. for one people think its us putting them on ebay and two images used without permission (and still within copyright) is quite a serious issue. Also i would like to think these are making walls, the point of them was not to flip hence why they are reasonably priced. I just want to draw a line under the ebay argument as i read on another forum that someone claims it was us putting them on ebay. i can categorically say its nothing to do with us. BUT we probably will probably try to make it as hard for the seller as possible though if its someone who has taken the piss. The print that finished the other day was won by us, do not take the Β£51 on that one as the realistic price. We dont care how much they go for. We won the item to find out the seller then reported them for using our images and then made sure their name and address was removed from doing it again. Yes it was probably not the smartest of things, but hopefully it puts people off from doing it again. HOLD ON ! so you bid up and won your print back ? |
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by bullet on Oct 19, 2010 16:04:33 GMT 1, no, we did not 'bid up'.
we needed the address of the seller for legal purposes.
the print did not realistically finish at that price and thats a fact.
its not like it went for thousands, we are talking about 50 quid to take a naughty person to the naughty step.
no, we did not 'bid up'.
we needed the address of the seller for legal purposes.
the print did not realistically finish at that price and thats a fact.
its not like it went for thousands, we are talking about 50 quid to take a naughty person to the naughty step.
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by aprilla2 on Oct 19, 2010 16:06:21 GMT 1, no, we did not 'bid up'. we needed the address of the seller for legal purposes. the print did not realistically finish at that price and thats a fact.
You did not 'Bid Up' and you are stating that as you say as a FACT!
no, we did not 'bid up'. we needed the address of the seller for legal purposes. the print did not realistically finish at that price and thats a fact. You did not 'Bid Up' and you are stating that as you say as a FACT! |
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by bullet on Oct 19, 2010 16:06:58 GMT 1, no, we won the auction.. not bid up
POW do it all the time to people who sell banksy prints before they have arrived. it is the only way to find out a SELLERS address.
do not make out is was anything under handed. i think its pretty clear and honest to have told people. it is really none of your business - it is between that seller on ebay and us.
no, we won the auction.. not bid up
POW do it all the time to people who sell banksy prints before they have arrived. it is the only way to find out a SELLERS address.
do not make out is was anything under handed. i think its pretty clear and honest to have told people. it is really none of your business - it is between that seller on ebay and us.
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by walshy on Oct 19, 2010 16:11:46 GMT 1, no, we did not 'bid up'. we needed the address of the seller for legal purposes. the print did not realistically finish at that price and thats a fact. its not like it went for thousands, we are talking about 50 quid to take a naughty person to the naughty step.
What ever, you shilled your own art and got caught out when you won it... you could have just reported it while the auction was running.
Was reading another forum yesterday and saw you hyping up your own art felix.... sorry jboy, all a bit desperate dont you think. For someone that says they make these for fun
no, we did not 'bid up'. we needed the address of the seller for legal purposes. the print did not realistically finish at that price and thats a fact. its not like it went for thousands, we are talking about 50 quid to take a naughty person to the naughty step. What ever, you shilled your own art and got caught out when you won it... you could have just reported it while the auction was running. Was reading another forum yesterday and saw you hyping up your own art felix.... sorry jboy, all a bit desperate dont you think. For someone that says they make these for fun |
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by bullet on Oct 19, 2010 16:13:47 GMT 1, same old people...
Im not arguing about it, i just thought people should know rather than setting silly rumours.
I have seen that thread on the banksys forum and whoever that person is should really stop posting.
Alot goes on with legalities which people dont know about, just wanted to lay down the truth. if people think thats wrong - well - thats how things work. We do not shill or push up 'prices'. If we did, we would have made sure it went for more than Β£51 as it cost Β£45 in the first place 
same old people... Im not arguing about it, i just thought people should know rather than setting silly rumours. I have seen that thread on the banksys forum and whoever that person is should really stop posting. Alot goes on with legalities which people dont know about, just wanted to lay down the truth. if people think thats wrong - well - thats how things work. We do not shill or push up 'prices'. If we did, we would have made sure it went for more than Β£51 as it cost Β£45 in the first place |
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by aprilla2 on Oct 19, 2010 16:15:14 GMT 1, no, we won the auction.. not bid up POW do it all the time to people who sell banksy prints before they have arrived. it is the only way to find out a SELLERS address. do not make out is was anything under handed. i think its pretty clear and honest to have told people. it is really none of your business - it is between that seller on ebay and us.
it would be clear and honest if you stated this action was your intention BEFORE the print finished.
But now it looks like you bid up the auction hoping the print would raise a respectable sum.
no, we won the auction.. not bid up POW do it all the time to people who sell banksy prints before they have arrived. it is the only way to find out a SELLERS address. do not make out is was anything under handed. i think its pretty clear and honest to have told people. it is really none of your business - it is between that seller on ebay and us. it would be clear and honest if you stated this action was your intention BEFORE the print finished. But now it looks like you bid up the auction hoping the print would raise a respectable sum. |
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by bullet on Oct 19, 2010 16:17:19 GMT 1, indeed, thats why i said it was not the smartest of things to have done - but thats how it goes.
it is no secret and i would not want it to be.
on a side note, as i say we would not have been able to get the sellers address for law enforcement otherwise.
..Its a tad ironic that i have been accused of hyping and then we draw a line under price hypes, the accusations of shilling start appearing.
seriously its all a matter of opinion. i have nothing more to say about it now.
and if anyone asks, the listing thats on ebay at this time has asked permission to use our images and they bought the item, so that is up to them.
if anyone needs any further information as to why we did this, please contact us at j@jboyprints.com
indeed, thats why i said it was not the smartest of things to have done - but thats how it goes.
it is no secret and i would not want it to be.
on a side note, as i say we would not have been able to get the sellers address for law enforcement otherwise.
..Its a tad ironic that i have been accused of hyping and then we draw a line under price hypes, the accusations of shilling start appearing.
seriously its all a matter of opinion. i have nothing more to say about it now.
and if anyone asks, the listing thats on ebay at this time has asked permission to use our images and they bought the item, so that is up to them.
if anyone needs any further information as to why we did this, please contact us at j@jboyprints.com
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by aprilla2 on Oct 19, 2010 16:28:26 GMT 1, on a side note, as i say we would not have been able to get the sellers address for law enforcement otherwise. accusations of shilling start appearing.
Law Enforcement ? to bid on an item simple to gain access to the sellers data without any intention of purchasing is a serious breach of eBay regulations and Data Protection .
on a side note, as i say we would not have been able to get the sellers address for law enforcement otherwise. accusations of shilling start appearing. Law Enforcement ? to bid on an item simple to gain access to the sellers data without any intention of purchasing is a serious breach of eBay regulations and Data Protection . |
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by bullet on Oct 19, 2010 16:30:46 GMT 1, Using images without permission is even more serious.
1. is ebay law
the second is UK law
Using images without permission is even more serious.
1. is ebay law
the second is UK law
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by aprilla2 on Oct 19, 2010 16:36:18 GMT 1, Using images without permission is even more serious. 1. is ebay law the second is UK law
is it ? well , on that note i wanted to ask you - did you have permission to use that photograph of the Banksy 'Haring Dog' ? and did you clear the use of Simpsons character 'Santas little helper' with 20th century fox ?
Using images without permission is even more serious. 1. is ebay law the second is UK law is it ? well , on that note i wanted to ask you - did you have permission to use that photograph of the Banksy 'Haring Dog' ? and did you clear the use of Simpsons character 'Santas little helper' with 20th century fox ? |
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by walshy on Oct 19, 2010 16:38:13 GMT 1, Using images without permission is even more serious. 1. is ebay law the second is UK law is it ? well , on that note i wanted to ask you - did you have permission to use that photograph of the Banksy 'Haring Dog' ? and did you clear the use of Simpsons character 'Santas little helper' with 20th century fox ?
just what I was about to ask....
Using images without permission is even more serious. 1. is ebay law the second is UK law is it ? well , on that note i wanted to ask you - did you have permission to use that photograph of the Banksy 'Haring Dog' ? and did you clear the use of Simpsons character 'Santas little helper' with 20th century fox ? just what I was about to ask.... |
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by bullet on Oct 19, 2010 16:58:08 GMT 1, true.
but we were not selling it, the law only comes into effect when photos are being re-sold or used for sales in a commercial sense without the originators permission.
true.
but we were not selling it, the law only comes into effect when photos are being re-sold or used for sales in a commercial sense without the originators permission.
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by walshy on Oct 19, 2010 17:00:52 GMT 1, true. but we were not selling it, the law only comes into effect when photos are being re-sold or used for sales in a commercial sense without the originators permission.
Its promotional material that was passed around to blogs etc to boost popularity, sounds like commercial use to me
true. but we were not selling it, the law only comes into effect when photos are being re-sold or used for sales in a commercial sense without the originators permission. Its promotional material that was passed around to blogs etc to boost popularity, sounds like commercial use to me |
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by willywonka on Oct 19, 2010 17:01:54 GMT 1, Wow  An "artist" openly admitting shill bidding auctions for his own work.
Crikey!!!!
Wow An "artist" openly admitting shill bidding auctions for his own work. Crikey!!!! |
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by bullet on Oct 19, 2010 17:05:20 GMT 1, sorry, im not going to repeat it again. we did not shill.
shill Β£7 - you have got to be joking right?
im not having the argument as its a legal issue. it is not for the normal wind up crowd to be commenting on within an art forum.
i just wanted to clear a few things up. you can read it here plain and simply so thats that done.
sorry, im not going to repeat it again. we did not shill.
shill Β£7 - you have got to be joking right?
im not having the argument as its a legal issue. it is not for the normal wind up crowd to be commenting on within an art forum.
i just wanted to clear a few things up. you can read it here plain and simply so thats that done.
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by funkrye on Oct 19, 2010 17:07:37 GMT 1, sorry, im not going to repeat it again. we did not shill. shill Β£7 - you have got to be joking right? im not having the argument as its a legal issue, not someone commenting on an art forum.
sounds like another jetsetgraffiti. Legal issue.....
Or more hype for himself.
sorry, im not going to repeat it again. we did not shill. shill Β£7 - you have got to be joking right? im not having the argument as its a legal issue, not someone commenting on an art forum. sounds like another jetsetgraffiti. Legal issue..... Or more hype for himself. |
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by bullet on Oct 19, 2010 17:08:30 GMT 1, dont be ridiculous.
do you really think the hype this week has all been us? we have had nothing to do with it apart from to give interviews to people interested.
is this not allowed to be a successful project - are you guys actually that bitter and twisted to try and bring something down that people enjoy looking at and is free for all.
get a grip or don't get involved in the conversation that you actually have no interest in apart from to be morons
dont be ridiculous.
do you really think the hype this week has all been us? we have had nothing to do with it apart from to give interviews to people interested.
is this not allowed to be a successful project - are you guys actually that bitter and twisted to try and bring something down that people enjoy looking at and is free for all.
get a grip or don't get involved in the conversation that you actually have no interest in apart from to be morons
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by funkrye on Oct 19, 2010 17:15:53 GMT 1, dont be ridiculous. do you really think the hype this week has all been us? we have had nothing to do with it apart from to give interviews to people interested. is this not allowed to be a successful project - are you guys actually that bitter and twisted to try and bring something down that people enjoy looking at and is free for all. get a grip.
All i was talking about is hype on this forum seeing as your on here talking about yourself 24/7. Never seen you anywhere else am i missing something?
And dont be so ridiculous. Jetset tried to throw his weight around with legal talk. All of it was bull and he didnt have a leg to stand on. You are sounding the same. Keep talking son
dont be ridiculous. do you really think the hype this week has all been us? we have had nothing to do with it apart from to give interviews to people interested. is this not allowed to be a successful project - are you guys actually that bitter and twisted to try and bring something down that people enjoy looking at and is free for all. get a grip. All i was talking about is hype on this forum seeing as your on here talking about yourself 24/7. Never seen you anywhere else am i missing something? And dont be so ridiculous. Jetset tried to throw his weight around with legal talk. All of it was bull and he didnt have a leg to stand on. You are sounding the same. Keep talking son |
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by aprilla2 on Oct 19, 2010 17:19:09 GMT 1, sorry, im not going to repeat it again. we did not shill. im not having the argument as its a legal issue. it is not for the normal wind up crowd to be commenting on within an art forum.
so you state once again in clear english ' you did not shill ' (keep repeating the lie and you may begin to believe it).
The seller in this auction had every right on gods earth to sell the print they WON in a COMPETITION. you decided to shill the bidding up , when you won the auction it seems to me you then decided to play the 'i'm a victim in all this' card.
Shamefull really.
sorry, im not going to repeat it again. we did not shill. im not having the argument as its a legal issue. it is not for the normal wind up crowd to be commenting on within an art forum. so you state once again in clear english ' you did not shill ' (keep repeating the lie and you may begin to believe it). The seller in this auction had every right on gods earth to sell the print they WON in a COMPETITION. you decided to shill the bidding up , when you won the auction it seems to me you then decided to play the 'i'm a victim in all this' card. Shamefull really. |
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by bullet on Oct 19, 2010 17:21:11 GMT 1, ok, lets calm down a bit...
yeah but that was on a totally different level, he was actually ripping people off and breaking the law with other artists and repeatedly doing it with galleries.
all we are talking about here is general artistic licence on photographs. Would you not be annoyed if someone used a photo of you in a listing to sell something? of course you would, or something you owned in a photo with them trying to sell it... of course you would.
Its not just a matter of pissing someone off, we are allowed to retain what belongs to us legally. We are not throwing 'weight around'. This happens every day with companies using photos and stock images that do not belong to them on advertising and in the media. Its a very common thing, its just people normally let it go. We are making an example out of this to put to bed some silly rumours of shilling or us selling on ebay and nothing more.
If you would like to read more about law with images then you can read this:
www.copyrightservice.co.uk/protect/p16_photography_copyright
the images were actually taken from twitpic who have their own terms and conditions. They state that its ok if people share it through the twitpic system but not if they just take them. This is what has happened.
ok, lets calm down a bit... yeah but that was on a totally different level, he was actually ripping people off and breaking the law with other artists and repeatedly doing it with galleries. all we are talking about here is general artistic licence on photographs. Would you not be annoyed if someone used a photo of you in a listing to sell something? of course you would, or something you owned in a photo with them trying to sell it... of course you would. Its not just a matter of pissing someone off, we are allowed to retain what belongs to us legally. We are not throwing 'weight around'. This happens every day with companies using photos and stock images that do not belong to them on advertising and in the media. Its a very common thing, its just people normally let it go. We are making an example out of this to put to bed some silly rumours of shilling or us selling on ebay and nothing more. If you would like to read more about law with images then you can read this: www.copyrightservice.co.uk/protect/p16_photography_copyrightthe images were actually taken from twitpic who have their own terms and conditions. They state that its ok if people share it through the twitpic system but not if they just take them. This is what has happened. |
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by bullet on Oct 19, 2010 17:21:52 GMT 1, sorry, im not going to repeat it again. we did not shill. im not having the argument as its a legal issue. it is not for the normal wind up crowd to be commenting on within an art forum. so you state once again in clear english ' you did not shill ' (keep repeating the lie and you may begin to believe it). The seller in this auction had every right on gods earth to sell the print they WON in a COMPETITION. you decided to shill the bidding up , when you won the auction it seems to me you then decided to play the 'i'm a victim in all this' card. Shamefull really.
how do you know they 'won' the print.
sorry, im not going to repeat it again. we did not shill. im not having the argument as its a legal issue. it is not for the normal wind up crowd to be commenting on within an art forum. so you state once again in clear english ' you did not shill ' (keep repeating the lie and you may begin to believe it). The seller in this auction had every right on gods earth to sell the print they WON in a COMPETITION. you decided to shill the bidding up , when you won the auction it seems to me you then decided to play the 'i'm a victim in all this' card. Shamefull really. how do you know they 'won' the print. |
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by Daniel Silk on Oct 19, 2010 17:26:58 GMT 1, Gettin a bit ridiculous on here Calm it down please!
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by bazzj04 on Oct 19, 2010 17:28:22 GMT 1, a bit, ?
a bit, ?
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by bullet on Oct 19, 2010 17:28:41 GMT 1, sorry silky for this getting all blown out of proportion with people getting the wrong end of the stick. Its just something that everyone should not take lightly, but would you not agree with copyright law?
surely you have been involved in one or two things along the way where you have needed to ask permission or give permission to use your videos etc
sorry silky for this getting all blown out of proportion with people getting the wrong end of the stick. Its just something that everyone should not take lightly, but would you not agree with copyright law?
surely you have been involved in one or two things along the way where you have needed to ask permission or give permission to use your videos etc
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by funkrye on Oct 19, 2010 17:28:55 GMT 1, No Jbay i agree with the copyright law. They shouldn't use an image what isn't theirs.
But is there any need for you to come on here and create a whole scene by acting the big i am and using words like legal action( which jetset did a few time).
Just report them to ebay and have done. You didnt need to come on here and make more hype.
Which by the way you have in the past complained about people getting your ebay auction pulled.
No Jbay i agree with the copyright law. They shouldn't use an image what isn't theirs.
But is there any need for you to come on here and create a whole scene by acting the big i am and using words like legal action( which jetset did a few time).
Just report them to ebay and have done. You didnt need to come on here and make more hype.
Which by the way you have in the past complained about people getting your ebay auction pulled.
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JBOY π¬π§ New Print Release β’ JBoy Art For Sale, by walshy on Oct 19, 2010 17:29:45 GMT 1, so you state once again in clear english ' you did not shill ' (keep repeating the lie and you may begin to believe it). The seller in this auction had every right on gods earth to sell the print they WON in a COMPETITION. you decided to shill the bidding up , when you won the auction it seems to me you then decided to play the 'i'm a victim in all this' card. Shamefull really. how do you know they 'won' the print.
because you said if he had paid for it, there would be no issue
so you state once again in clear english ' you did not shill ' (keep repeating the lie and you may begin to believe it). The seller in this auction had every right on gods earth to sell the print they WON in a COMPETITION. you decided to shill the bidding up , when you won the auction it seems to me you then decided to play the 'i'm a victim in all this' card. Shamefull really. how do you know they 'won' the print. because you said if he had paid for it, there would be no issue |
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