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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by RolexDave on Jul 18, 2013 17:42:08 GMT 1, I agree. Mr Gunningham would be laughing his head off if he was reading this. The whole point of his street art was that its available for everyone to enjoy. Sadly Pelle clearly wants his Banksy pictures to be status symbols on his walls to impress people and hates to think of identical prints being available for ยฃ55 on EBay !! Thank god not everyone has his attitude. Your ability to determine what people collect and display on their walls, as well as their underlying motivation for doing so, is truly astounding. However, there are a few problems with your analysis: Firstly, you state that the whole point of Banksy's street art is that it should be available for everyone to enjoy. Very true (although I would not say that it is the whole point). However, I would argue that his prints as well as his other studio output is not street art, but rather commercial art products which were intended to be exclusive. That is why the editions are limited. To be clear, I am neither condemning, nor condoning, this exclusivity which separates street and studio work. I am merely pointing it out. Secondly, since I have no Banksy prints on my wall the motivation of ego rubbing which you attribute to me is simply not there. Thirdly, I did not say that I had a problem with people buying and displaying reproduction prints. I have also not commented on the quality of the reproductions being sold. I could not possibly do so, as I have only seen them on the screen. What I have said is that there is a difference between artworks and reproductions of artworks. This really is a truism. If the artworks and the reproductions were the same, the latter would not be selling for ยฃ56 on eBay. The difference between an artwork and a reproduction does not only come down to issues like the printing method, ink, paper, and the precision in reproducing the original image, but also less tangible things.
I agree. Mr Gunningham would be laughing his head off if he was reading this. The whole point of his street art was that its available for everyone to enjoy. Sadly Pelle clearly wants his Banksy pictures to be status symbols on his walls to impress people and hates to think of identical prints being available for ยฃ55 on EBay !! Thank god not everyone has his attitude. Your ability to determine what people collect and display on their walls, as well as their underlying motivation for doing so, is truly astounding. However, there are a few problems with your analysis: Firstly, you state that the whole point of Banksy's street art is that it should be available for everyone to enjoy. Very true (although I would not say that it is the whole point). However, I would argue that his prints as well as his other studio output is not street art, but rather commercial art products which were intended to be exclusive. That is why the editions are limited. To be clear, I am neither condemning, nor condoning, this exclusivity which separates street and studio work. I am merely pointing it out. Secondly, since I have no Banksy prints on my wall the motivation of ego rubbing which you attribute to me is simply not there. Thirdly, I did not say that I had a problem with people buying and displaying reproduction prints. I have also not commented on the quality of the reproductions being sold. I could not possibly do so, as I have only seen them on the screen. What I have said is that there is a difference between artworks and reproductions of artworks. This really is a truism. If the artworks and the reproductions were the same, the latter would not be selling for ยฃ56 on eBay. The difference between an artwork and a reproduction does not only come down to issues like the printing method, ink, paper, and the precision in reproducing the original image, but also less tangible things. I wouldn't waste my breath on him Pelle, clearly he is getting over excited that his school term is coming to and end and he wants to display his knowledge to all and sundry. (Disclaimer alert: I may have liked Pelles or Deputy Dawgs Posts on one occassion or more. Lol!) |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 17:56:17 GMT 1, Your ability to determine what people collect and display on their walls, as well as their underlying motivation for doing so, is truly astounding. However, there are a few problems with your analysis: Firstly, you state that the whole point of Banksy's street art is that it should be available for everyone to enjoy. Very true (although I would not say that it is the whole point). However, I would argue that his prints as well as his other studio output is not street art, but rather commercial art products which were intended to be exclusive. That is why the editions are limited. To be clear, I am neither condemning, nor condoning, this exclusivity which separates street and studio work. I am merely pointing it out. Secondly, since I have no Banksy prints on my wall the motivation of ego rubbing which you attribute to me is simply not there. Thirdly, I did not say that I had a problem with people buying and displaying reproduction prints. I have also not commented on the quality of the reproductions being sold. I could not possibly do so, as I have only seen them on the screen. What I have said is that there is a difference between artworks and reproductions of artworks. This really is a truism. If the artworks and the reproductions were the same, the latter would not be selling for ยฃ56 on eBay. The difference between an artwork and a reproduction does not only come down to issues like the printing method, ink, paper, and the precision in reproducing the original image, but also less tangible things. I wouldn't waste my breath on him Pelle, clearly he is getting over excited that his school term is coming to and end and he wants to display his knowledge to all and sundry. (Disclaimer alert: I may have liked Pelles or Deputy Dawgs Posts on one occassion or more. Lol!)
Oh bless it's very sweet how you two stick together, are you two more than just friends? Hey that's fine I live in Brighton so you'd both be made to feel very welcome and accepted here - nobody's judging you OK ?
Ps - school term?? Do you know many Fire fighters who are in school then? No me neither.
As a tip for you sixpac I would stop posting on this thread as you just make yourself look more and more ignorant with every post.
Your ability to determine what people collect and display on their walls, as well as their underlying motivation for doing so, is truly astounding. However, there are a few problems with your analysis: Firstly, you state that the whole point of Banksy's street art is that it should be available for everyone to enjoy. Very true (although I would not say that it is the whole point). However, I would argue that his prints as well as his other studio output is not street art, but rather commercial art products which were intended to be exclusive. That is why the editions are limited. To be clear, I am neither condemning, nor condoning, this exclusivity which separates street and studio work. I am merely pointing it out. Secondly, since I have no Banksy prints on my wall the motivation of ego rubbing which you attribute to me is simply not there. Thirdly, I did not say that I had a problem with people buying and displaying reproduction prints. I have also not commented on the quality of the reproductions being sold. I could not possibly do so, as I have only seen them on the screen. What I have said is that there is a difference between artworks and reproductions of artworks. This really is a truism. If the artworks and the reproductions were the same, the latter would not be selling for ยฃ56 on eBay. The difference between an artwork and a reproduction does not only come down to issues like the printing method, ink, paper, and the precision in reproducing the original image, but also less tangible things. I wouldn't waste my breath on him Pelle, clearly he is getting over excited that his school term is coming to and end and he wants to display his knowledge to all and sundry. (Disclaimer alert: I may have liked Pelles or Deputy Dawgs Posts on one occassion or more. Lol!) Oh bless it's very sweet how you two stick together, are you two more than just friends? Hey that's fine I live in Brighton so you'd both be made to feel very welcome and accepted here - nobody's judging you OK ? Ps - school term?? Do you know many Fire fighters who are in school then? No me neither. As a tip for you sixpac I would stop posting on this thread as you just make yourself look more and more ignorant with every post. |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by pelle on Jul 18, 2013 18:26:34 GMT 1, Oh bless it's very sweet how you two stick together, are you two more than just friends? Hey that's fine I live in Brighton so you'd both be made to feel very welcome and accepted here - nobody's judging you OK ? Ps - school term?? Do you know many Fire fighters who are in school then? No me neither. As a tip for you sixpac I would stop posting on this thread as you just make yourself look more and more ignorant with every post.
I cannot say that I know any fire fighters who are in school, but I think I have now come across one who probably should be.
I will agree with you on one thing, though: this discussion makes everyone look bad. You for posting ignorant comments and being unable to engage in a proper debate, and me (as well as others) for entertaining your nonsense.
Oh bless it's very sweet how you two stick together, are you two more than just friends? Hey that's fine I live in Brighton so you'd both be made to feel very welcome and accepted here - nobody's judging you OK ? Ps - school term?? Do you know many Fire fighters who are in school then? No me neither. As a tip for you sixpac I would stop posting on this thread as you just make yourself look more and more ignorant with every post. I cannot say that I know any fire fighters who are in school, but I think I have now come across one who probably should be. I will agree with you on one thing, though: this discussion makes everyone look bad. You for posting ignorant comments and being unable to engage in a proper debate, and me (as well as others) for entertaining your nonsense. |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 18:58:53 GMT 1, To conclude, good quality prints, that look fantastic on the wall, at much more affordable prices.
Don't like? Don't buy.
To conclude, good quality prints, that look fantastic on the wall, at much more affordable prices.
Don't like? Don't buy.
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Quinnster on Jul 18, 2013 19:42:21 GMT 1, To conclude, good quality prints, that look fantastic on the wall, at much more affordable prices. Don't like?ย Don't buy.
Or a fool and his money.....
I just wish I had thought of the idea before the WCP....
To conclude, good quality prints, that look fantastic on the wall, at much more affordable prices. Don't like?ย Don't buy. [ Or a fool and his money..... I just wish I had thought of the idea before the WCP.... |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 20:31:25 GMT 1, To conclude, good quality prints, that look fantastic on the wall, at much more affordable prices. Don't like?ย Don't buy.
Ah at last someone who just tells the truth.
It's good to see a post from someone who is simply saying if you like it buy it.
It's a shame others still want the 'exclusivity' of owning a Banksy and will only pay ridiculous money for one.
To conclude, good quality prints, that look fantastic on the wall, at much more affordable prices. Don't like?ย Don't buy. Ah at last someone who just tells the truth. It's good to see a post from someone who is simply saying if you like it buy it. It's a shame others still want the 'exclusivity' of owning a Banksy and will only pay ridiculous money for one. |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by bsimkin on Jul 18, 2013 20:56:22 GMT 1, To conclude, good quality prints, that look fantastic on the wall, at much more affordable prices. Don't like? Don't buy. Ah at last someone who just tells the truth. It's good to see a post from someone who is simply saying if you like it buy it. It's a shame others still want the 'exclusivity' of owning a Banksy and will only pay ridiculous money for one.
To conclude, good quality prints, that look fantastic on the wall, at much more affordable prices. Don't like? Don't buy. Ah at last someone who just tells the truth. It's good to see a post from someone who is simply saying if you like it buy it. It's a shame others still want the 'exclusivity' of owning a Banksy and will only pay ridiculous money for one. No, that's not the point. You're supporting a group (WCP) who doesn't care about the art, just that you're dumb enough to line their pockets. I'd have no problem with these reproductions if the artist (i.e. Banksy) was getting compensated for it. These are just simple opportunists and you're alright with that? get back to me when it's your artwork being flogged all over ebay and someone else profiting off of you. Get real buddy. Even the limited nature of these knockoffs are a joke. Ooooh, a limited run of folex, who cares! |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by peggy on Jul 18, 2013 21:19:23 GMT 1, I got a wcp Bomb Hugger as I refuse to pay ยฃยฃยฃยฃs for an unsigned print by anyone. I took a photo of it then went into a gallery to compare it to an original and there was absolutely no difference at all. I can't speak for wcp's other prints but Bomb Hugger is an exact copy.
PEGGY TOOK A PHOTO OF HER LAST SHIT THEN WENT FOR A WALK IN THE PARK TO COMPARE IT TO HER OTHER DOG FRIENDS SHIT. THEN REALISED WHAT A STUPID THING TO DO AS IT SHOWED UP PEGGY'S DESPERATE INSECURITIES AT NOT HAVING PLOP QUITE THE SAME AS HER OTHER DOGGY PALS, AS IN OH LOOK EVEN THOUGH I EAT NASTY PEDEGREE CHUM I CAN STILL CURL OUT PLOPPERS THAT LOOK LIKE PEG's BEEN EATING GOLD LEAF STEAK. CHEAP SHIT IS JUST THAT
I got a wcp Bomb Hugger as I refuse to pay ยฃยฃยฃยฃs for an unsigned print by anyone. I took a photo of it then went into a gallery to compare it to an original and there was absolutely no difference at all. I can't speak for wcp's other prints but Bomb Hugger is an exact copy. PEGGY TOOK A PHOTO OF HER LAST SHIT THEN WENT FOR A WALK IN THE PARK TO COMPARE IT TO HER OTHER DOG FRIENDS SHIT. THEN REALISED WHAT A STUPID THING TO DO AS IT SHOWED UP PEGGY'S DESPERATE INSECURITIES AT NOT HAVING PLOP QUITE THE SAME AS HER OTHER DOGGY PALS, AS IN OH LOOK EVEN THOUGH I EAT NASTY PEDEGREE CHUM I CAN STILL CURL OUT PLOPPERS THAT LOOK LIKE PEG's BEEN EATING GOLD LEAF STEAK. CHEAP SHIT IS JUST THAT |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Steph Rat Catcher on Jul 18, 2013 21:43:00 GMT 1, I got a wcp Bomb Hugger as I refuse to pay ยฃยฃยฃยฃs for an unsigned print by anyone. I took a photo of it then went into a gallery to compare it to an original and there was absolutely no difference at all. I can't speak for wcp's other prints but Bomb Hugger is an exact copy. PEGGY TOOK A PHOTO OF HER LAST s**t THEN WENT FOR A WALK IN THE PARK TO COMPARE IT TO HER OTHER DOG FRIENDS s**t. THEN REALISED WHAT A STUPID THING TO DO AS IT SHOWED UP PEGGY'S DESPERATE INSECURITIES AT NOT HAVING PLOP QUITE THE SAME AS HER OTHER DOGGY PALS, AS IN OH LOOK EVEN THOUGH I EAT NASTY PEDEGREE CHUM I CAN STILL CURL OUT PLOPPERS THAT LOOK LIKE PEG's BEEN EATING GOLD LEAF STEAK. CHEAP s**t IS JUST THAT
I got a wcp Bomb Hugger as I refuse to pay ยฃยฃยฃยฃs for an unsigned print by anyone. I took a photo of it then went into a gallery to compare it to an original and there was absolutely no difference at all. I can't speak for wcp's other prints but Bomb Hugger is an exact copy. PEGGY TOOK A PHOTO OF HER LAST s**t THEN WENT FOR A WALK IN THE PARK TO COMPARE IT TO HER OTHER DOG FRIENDS s**t. THEN REALISED WHAT A STUPID THING TO DO AS IT SHOWED UP PEGGY'S DESPERATE INSECURITIES AT NOT HAVING PLOP QUITE THE SAME AS HER OTHER DOGGY PALS, AS IN OH LOOK EVEN THOUGH I EAT NASTY PEDEGREE CHUM I CAN STILL CURL OUT PLOPPERS THAT LOOK LIKE PEG's BEEN EATING GOLD LEAF STEAK. CHEAP s**t IS JUST THAT |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by mmmike on Jul 18, 2013 21:56:50 GMT 1, To conclude, good quality prints, that look fantastic on the wall, at much more affordable prices. Don't like? Don't buy. [ Or a fool and his money..... I just wish I had thought of the idea before the WCP....
I'm not sure why people get so hot and bothered over these. A fool and their money? I could make the same argument for anyone buying Banksy prints at current prices.
How's this, let say someone likes a Banksy image and has 10k or whatever the cost of the real print to spend. What makes more sense buy the original or buy a cheap copy and donate the rest to Against Malaria or some other very productive charity that saves lives?
Myself included I think too many of us are blowing up these bubbles while we should be doing more to help others. At the end of the day we are talking about pretty pictures. I'm all for supporting emerging artist make a living. In the case of Banksy he isn't losing here and he doesn't need the money. I say go for the fakes if you really love the image.
To conclude, good quality prints, that look fantastic on the wall, at much more affordable prices. Don't like? Don't buy. [ Or a fool and his money..... I just wish I had thought of the idea before the WCP.... It's not too late. It isn't like people are in love with the brand. If you do a better quality copy I'm sure they will sell. I'm not sure why people get so hot and bothered over these. A fool and their money? I could make the same argument for anyone buying Banksy prints at current prices. How's this, let say someone likes a Banksy image and has 10k or whatever the cost of the real print to spend. What makes more sense buy the original or buy a cheap copy and donate the rest to Against Malaria or some other very productive charity that saves lives? Myself included I think too many of us are blowing up these bubbles while we should be doing more to help others. At the end of the day we are talking about pretty pictures. I'm all for supporting emerging artist make a living. In the case of Banksy he isn't losing here and he doesn't need the money. I say go for the fakes if you really love the image. |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 22:15:06 GMT 1, Ah at last someone who just tells the truth. It's good to see a post from someone who is simply saying if you like it buy it. It's a shame others still want the 'exclusivity' of owning a Banksy and will only pay ridiculous money for one. No, that's not the point. You're supporting a group (WCP) who doesn't care about the art, just that you're dumb enough to line their pockets. I'd have no problem with these reproductions if the artist (i.e. Banksy) was getting compensated for it. These are just simple opportunists and you're alright with that? get back to me when it's your artwork being flogged all over ebay and someone else profiting off of you. Get real buddy. Even the limited nature of these knockoffs are a joke. Ooooh, a limited run of folex, who cares!
Ok so here's some simple questions then - they all just need Yes or No answers:
1) If someone sells on a Banksy print for ยฃ12k that they bought for ยฃ300 years ago is this helping Banksy in any way?
2) Will you be passing on some of this huge profit to Mr Gunningham?
3) Is this profiting from someone else's talent and image to make a money yourself different from what wcp are doing?
4) Do you think Banksy is on the breadline and is desperate for the money?
Just Yes or No answers please.
Ah at last someone who just tells the truth. It's good to see a post from someone who is simply saying if you like it buy it. It's a shame others still want the 'exclusivity' of owning a Banksy and will only pay ridiculous money for one. No, that's not the point. You're supporting a group (WCP) who doesn't care about the art, just that you're dumb enough to line their pockets. I'd have no problem with these reproductions if the artist (i.e. Banksy) was getting compensated for it. These are just simple opportunists and you're alright with that? get back to me when it's your artwork being flogged all over ebay and someone else profiting off of you. Get real buddy. Even the limited nature of these knockoffs are a joke. Ooooh, a limited run of folex, who cares! Ok so here's some simple questions then - they all just need Yes or No answers: 1) If someone sells on a Banksy print for ยฃ12k that they bought for ยฃ300 years ago is this helping Banksy in any way? 2) Will you be passing on some of this huge profit to Mr Gunningham? 3) Is this profiting from someone else's talent and image to make a money yourself different from what wcp are doing? 4) Do you think Banksy is on the breadline and is desperate for the money? Just Yes or No answers please. |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Manty on Jul 18, 2013 22:31:09 GMT 1, I like this thread.
Can I just say a few things though
A fake is a fake, i bought a fake banksy, cost me a grand, mega downer really, but hey ho, I was new to the market and the scammer was good, well maybe not good, but good enough to scam me as a 'newbie' had the pow email blah blah blah
Isnt the ones we are talking about above enabling this to happen to more people (hopefully not to me again) easier?
frame it up, flog it as real, pocket a grand, repeat, la la la
also the fake canvasses are much better value, saves on a frame, you can add your own personal touch to it as it wont have glass, and it might even be recyclable therefore ticking the 'green box'
I like this thread.
Can I just say a few things though
A fake is a fake, i bought a fake banksy, cost me a grand, mega downer really, but hey ho, I was new to the market and the scammer was good, well maybe not good, but good enough to scam me as a 'newbie' had the pow email blah blah blah
Isnt the ones we are talking about above enabling this to happen to more people (hopefully not to me again) easier?
frame it up, flog it as real, pocket a grand, repeat, la la la
also the fake canvasses are much better value, saves on a frame, you can add your own personal touch to it as it wont have glass, and it might even be recyclable therefore ticking the 'green box'
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by bsimkin on Jul 18, 2013 22:32:19 GMT 1, No, that's not the point. You're supporting a group (WCP) who doesn't care about the art, just that you're dumb enough to line their pockets. I'd have no problem with these reproductions if the artist (i.e. Banksy) was getting compensated for it. These are just simple opportunists and you're alright with that? get back to me when it's your artwork being flogged all over ebay and someone else profiting off of you. Get real buddy. Even the limited nature of these knockoffs are a joke. Ooooh, a limited run of folex, who cares! Ok so here's some simple questions then - they all just need Yes or No answers: 1) If someone sells on a Banksy print for ยฃ12k that they bought for ยฃ300 years ago is this helping Banksy in any way? 2) Will you be passing on some of this huge profit to Mr Gunningham? 3) Is this profiting from someone else's talent and image to make a money yourself different from what wcp are doing? 4) Do you think Banksy is on the breadline and is desperate for the money? Just Yes or No answers please.
2) Yes, if he was able to be reached and would like a portion of the proceeds.
3) you're assuming that the desired answers to your first two questions makes this similar to WCP. They are just making nice copies. It's not a skill, it's not their own ideas. Selling an original vs faking an original are two different things. profiting off of someone else's ideas doesn't make you a trailblazer, just a pathetic opportunist with too much time on their hands.
4) well considering the answer to question 1, of course not. Higher demand = higher price of his own work. Still doesn't make it right to copy someone else's work for your own personal gain. Do you go into movie theaters and sell your video-recorded copy, too? Where do you draw the line. What is your point.
No, that's not the point. You're supporting a group (WCP) who doesn't care about the art, just that you're dumb enough to line their pockets. I'd have no problem with these reproductions if the artist (i.e. Banksy) was getting compensated for it. These are just simple opportunists and you're alright with that? get back to me when it's your artwork being flogged all over ebay and someone else profiting off of you. Get real buddy. Even the limited nature of these knockoffs are a joke. Ooooh, a limited run of folex, who cares! Ok so here's some simple questions then - they all just need Yes or No answers: 1) If someone sells on a Banksy print for ยฃ12k that they bought for ยฃ300 years ago is this helping Banksy in any way? 2) Will you be passing on some of this huge profit to Mr Gunningham? 3) Is this profiting from someone else's talent and image to make a money yourself different from what wcp are doing? 4) Do you think Banksy is on the breadline and is desperate for the money? Just Yes or No answers please. 1) Yes, it does help him. It raises the price of his original work since their is more demand for his work. If people are paying more for his work, then he can charge more for commissions, etc. Don't get mad that you didn't get the art when it was affordable and bought it because you liked it not because you imagined it would be highly valuable years later. That's what collecting art means. You collect it because you like it. 2) Yes, if he was able to be reached and would like a portion of the proceeds. 3) you're assuming that the desired answers to your first two questions makes this similar to WCP. They are just making nice copies. It's not a skill, it's not their own ideas. Selling an original vs faking an original are two different things. profiting off of someone else's ideas doesn't make you a trailblazer, just a pathetic opportunist with too much time on their hands. 4) well considering the answer to question 1, of course not. Higher demand = higher price of his own work. Still doesn't make it right to copy someone else's work for your own personal gain. Do you go into movie theaters and sell your video-recorded copy, too? Where do you draw the line. What is your point. |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 22:33:06 GMT 1, I like this thread. Can I just say a few things though A fake is a fake, i bought a fake banksy, cost me a grand, mega downer really, but hey ho, I was new to the market and the scammer was good, well maybe not good, but good enough to scam me as a 'newbie' had the pow email blah blah blah Isnt the ones we are talking about above enabling this to happen to more people (hopefully not to me again) easier? frame it up, flog it as real, pocket a grand, repeat, la la la also the fake canvasses are much better value, saves on a frame, you can add your own personal touch to it as it wont have glass, and it might even be recyclable therefore ticking the 'green box'
No they're stamped 'West County Prince' on the back so they can't be passed on as a real one.
What all the wcp haters don't want you to know is that these are exact copies so the wcp stamp on the back is the only thing that could prevent these being passed on as fakes.
I would never ever buy a framed Banksy to stop just the type of thing happening to you. I hope you got something sorted out.
I like this thread. Can I just say a few things though A fake is a fake, i bought a fake banksy, cost me a grand, mega downer really, but hey ho, I was new to the market and the scammer was good, well maybe not good, but good enough to scam me as a 'newbie' had the pow email blah blah blah Isnt the ones we are talking about above enabling this to happen to more people (hopefully not to me again) easier? frame it up, flog it as real, pocket a grand, repeat, la la la also the fake canvasses are much better value, saves on a frame, you can add your own personal touch to it as it wont have glass, and it might even be recyclable therefore ticking the 'green box' No they're stamped 'West County Prince' on the back so they can't be passed on as a real one. What all the wcp haters don't want you to know is that these are exact copies so the wcp stamp on the back is the only thing that could prevent these being passed on as fakes. I would never ever buy a framed Banksy to stop just the type of thing happening to you. I hope you got something sorted out. |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by astrobboy on Jul 18, 2013 22:34:11 GMT 1, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Manty on Jul 18, 2013 22:40:28 GMT 1, mine was in a frame with a pow email trail, granted it was before the whole COA pest control, the point i was trying to make is that the west country ones could still today be used to rip some money off of 'people who dont know that much about 'pest control' and even potentially to people that do
mine was in a frame with a pow email trail, granted it was before the whole COA pest control, the point i was trying to make is that the west country ones could still today be used to rip some money off of 'people who dont know that much about 'pest control' and even potentially to people that do
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 22:45:14 GMT 1, mine was in a frame with a pow email trail, granted it was before the whole COA pest control, the point i was trying to make is that the west country ones could still today be used to rip some money off of 'people who dont know that much about 'pest control' and even potentially to people that do
While most of us on here are relatively knowledgeable about what's required to ensure the work is genuine, there are thousands out there who don't.
mine was in a frame with a pow email trail, granted it was before the whole COA pest control, the point i was trying to make is that the west country ones could still today be used to rip some money off of 'people who dont know that much about 'pest control' and even potentially to people that do I was in POW last week getting something authenticated and there was a WCP print on the table which had been submitted by a customer believing he/she had bought a Banksy. It had been sold to them framed. While most of us on here are relatively knowledgeable about what's required to ensure the work is genuine, there are thousands out there who don't. |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 23:07:49 GMT 1, mine was in a frame with a pow email trail, granted it was before the whole COA pest control, the point i was trying to make is that the west country ones could still today be used to rip some money off of 'people who dont know that much about 'pest control' and even potentially to people that do I was in POW last week getting something authenticated and there was a WCP print on the table which had been submitted by a customer believing he/she had bought a Banksy. It had been sold to them framed.ย While most of us on here are relatively knowledgeable about what's required to ensure the work is genuine, there are thousands out there who don't.
I don't think it's wcp you want to worry about its the thousands of other fakes out there that are trying to pass themselves off as real.
It makes me laugh how some people (and I'm not talking about you here sean) throw their toys out of the pram over wcp Banksys where it's the other ones on EBay being sold as originals they want to get upset about.
mine was in a frame with a pow email trail, granted it was before the whole COA pest control, the point i was trying to make is that the west country ones could still today be used to rip some money off of 'people who dont know that much about 'pest control' and even potentially to people that do I was in POW last week getting something authenticated and there was a WCP print on the table which had been submitted by a customer believing he/she had bought a Banksy. It had been sold to them framed.ย While most of us on here are relatively knowledgeable about what's required to ensure the work is genuine, there are thousands out there who don't. I don't think it's wcp you want to worry about its the thousands of other fakes out there that are trying to pass themselves off as real. It makes me laugh how some people (and I'm not talking about you here sean) throw their toys out of the pram over wcp Banksys where it's the other ones on EBay being sold as originals they want to get upset about. |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 23:12:20 GMT 1, Ok so to clarify this these prints are great for those who wear fake rolexs and who get the wife a Gucci bag down the market..... Everyone else spend your ยฃ56 on something that has some real value and quality..
But how about spending your ยฃ12k on something that has real value and quality? Why not buy a few originals by some up and coming artists? I would but I don't think my ยฃ56 would get me very much.
Can you genuinely look someone in the eyes and say that the ยฃ12k you just spent on a piece of paper that cost ยฃ200 when it came out is good value??
Really???
Ok so to clarify this these prints are great for those who wear fake rolexs and who get the wife a Gucci bag down the market..... Everyone else spend your ยฃ56 on something that has some real value and quality.. But how about spending your ยฃ12k on something that has real value and quality? Why not buy a few originals by some up and coming artists? I would but I don't think my ยฃ56 would get me very much. Can you genuinely look someone in the eyes and say that the ยฃ12k you just spent on a piece of paper that cost ยฃ200 when it came out is good value?? Really??? |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 23:23:14 GMT 1, I was in POW last week getting something authenticated and there was a WCP print on the table which had been submitted by a customer believing he/she had bought a Banksy. It had been sold to them framed. While most of us on here are relatively knowledgeable about what's required to ensure the work is genuine, there are thousands out there who don't. I don't think it's wcp you want to worry about its the thousands of other fakes out there that are trying to pass themselves off as real. It makes me laugh how some people (and I'm not talking about you here sean) throw their toys out of the pram over wcp Banksys where it's the other ones on EBay being sold as originals they want to get upset about.
The nature of the technology that is available today to a lot of people is always going to make fakes possible. The difference here is that the work of Banksy hasn't followed the expected path of success; only now are we coming to terms with the authentication process.
As a result the opportunities to forgers et al has been huge, as are the rewards.
I can see the arguments on both sides and accept it has to be a personal decision.
I just don't like seeing people ripped off. At every stage of our lives some b*st*rd wants to sell us something in the belief it will benefit our lives. This is no different.
I don't understand why fleecing someone of their hard earned money enables someone to sleep peacefully at night.
I was in POW last week getting something authenticated and there was a WCP print on the table which had been submitted by a customer believing he/she had bought a Banksy. It had been sold to them framed. While most of us on here are relatively knowledgeable about what's required to ensure the work is genuine, there are thousands out there who don't. I don't think it's wcp you want to worry about its the thousands of other fakes out there that are trying to pass themselves off as real. It makes me laugh how some people (and I'm not talking about you here sean) throw their toys out of the pram over wcp Banksys where it's the other ones on EBay being sold as originals they want to get upset about. I have seen the WCP work up close and know it is very good in terms of reproduction. The nature of the technology that is available today to a lot of people is always going to make fakes possible. The difference here is that the work of Banksy hasn't followed the expected path of success; only now are we coming to terms with the authentication process. As a result the opportunities to forgers et al has been huge, as are the rewards. I can see the arguments on both sides and accept it has to be a personal decision. I just don't like seeing people ripped off. At every stage of our lives some b*st*rd wants to sell us something in the belief it will benefit our lives. This is no different. I don't understand why fleecing someone of their hard earned money enables someone to sleep peacefully at night. |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 23:32:14 GMT 1, There is only one central point to this whole business, you are either willing to purchase an item that is made to profit from another's ability without permission and which has consistently lied about its limited nature or not. Everything else is irrelevant and is specifically down to individuals capacity to understand this.
There is only one central point to this whole business, you are either willing to purchase an item that is made to profit from another's ability without permission and which has consistently lied about its limited nature or not. Everything else is irrelevant and is specifically down to individuals capacity to understand this.
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by andyroo0312 on Jul 19, 2013 6:00:35 GMT 1, [ Or a fool and his money..... I just wish I had thought of the idea before the WCP.... It's not too late. It isn't like people are in love with the brand. If you do a better quality copy I'm sure they will sell. I'm not sure why people get so hot and bothered over these. A fool and their money? I could make the same argument for anyone buying Banksy prints at current prices. How's this, let say someone likes a Banksy image and has 10k or whatever the cost of the real print to spend. What makes more sense buy the original or buy a cheap copy and donate the rest to Against Malaria or some other very productive charity that saves lives? Myself included I think too many of us are blowing up these bubbles while we should be doing more to help others. At the end of the day we are talking about pretty pictures. I'm all for supporting emerging artist make a living. In the case of Banksy he isn't losing here and he doesn't need the money. I say go for the fakes if you really love the image.
[ Or a fool and his money..... I just wish I had thought of the idea before the WCP.... It's not too late. It isn't like people are in love with the brand. If you do a better quality copy I'm sure they will sell. I'm not sure why people get so hot and bothered over these. A fool and their money? I could make the same argument for anyone buying Banksy prints at current prices. How's this, let say someone likes a Banksy image and has 10k or whatever the cost of the real print to spend. What makes more sense buy the original or buy a cheap copy and donate the rest to Against Malaria or some other very productive charity that saves lives? Myself included I think too many of us are blowing up these bubbles while we should be doing more to help others. At the end of the day we are talking about pretty pictures. I'm all for supporting emerging artist make a living. In the case of Banksy he isn't losing here and he doesn't need the money. I say go for the fakes if you really love the image. I appreciate what you are trying to say but why not expand that thought? Why pay more to live in a posh suburb or a bigger house? what about just buying a Toyota instead of the BMW? spend less on the wife and kids get a citizen instead of the Omega? the cash saved could then be given to someone who has nothing? Its like communism it looks good on paper but in reality it just does not work. This is a interesting subject tho. |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by gatecrasher on Jul 19, 2013 8:54:12 GMT 1, Always seems to be members with Banksy prints that get a little excited when someone says "WCP"
And to the poster who says he would send Banksy some money if/when he sold his work on ... sorry but I call bullshit.
Always seems to be members with Banksy prints that get a little excited when someone says "WCP"
And to the poster who says he would send Banksy some money if/when he sold his work on ... sorry but I call bullshit.
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by mmmike on Jul 19, 2013 10:19:39 GMT 1, It's not too late. It isn't like people are in love with the brand. If you do a better quality copy I'm sure they will sell. I'm not sure why people get so hot and bothered over these. A fool and their money? I could make the same argument for anyone buying Banksy prints at current prices. How's this, let say someone likes a Banksy image and has 10k or whatever the cost of the real print to spend. What makes more sense buy the original or buy a cheap copy and donate the rest to Against Malaria or some other very productive charity that saves lives? Myself included I think too many of us are blowing up these bubbles while we should be doing more to help others. At the end of the day we are talking about pretty pictures. I'm all for supporting emerging artist make a living. In the case of Banksy he isn't losing here and he doesn't need the money. I say go for the fakes if you really love the image. I appreciate what you are trying to say but why not expand that thought? Why pay more to live in a posh suburb or a bigger house? what about just buying a Toyota instead of the BMW? spend less on the wife and kids get a citizen instead of the Omega? the cash saved could then be given to someone who has nothing? Its like communism it looks good on paper but in reality it just does not work. This is a interesting subject tho.
Check out ethics professor Peter Singer on the topic.
It's not too late. It isn't like people are in love with the brand. If you do a better quality copy I'm sure they will sell. I'm not sure why people get so hot and bothered over these. A fool and their money? I could make the same argument for anyone buying Banksy prints at current prices. How's this, let say someone likes a Banksy image and has 10k or whatever the cost of the real print to spend. What makes more sense buy the original or buy a cheap copy and donate the rest to Against Malaria or some other very productive charity that saves lives? Myself included I think too many of us are blowing up these bubbles while we should be doing more to help others. At the end of the day we are talking about pretty pictures. I'm all for supporting emerging artist make a living. In the case of Banksy he isn't losing here and he doesn't need the money. I say go for the fakes if you really love the image. I appreciate what you are trying to say but why not expand that thought? Why pay more to live in a posh suburb or a bigger house? what about just buying a Toyota instead of the BMW? spend less on the wife and kids get a citizen instead of the Omega? the cash saved could then be given to someone who has nothing? Its like communism it looks good on paper but in reality it just does not work. This is a interesting subject tho. You are on to something. I agree with all of your examples. Why would anyone buy a fancy watch when they could save a life instead? Check out ethics professor Peter Singer on the topic. |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 10:47:33 GMT 1, Always seems to be members with Banksy prints that get a little excited when someone says "WCP" And to the poster who says he would send Banksy some money if/when he sold his work on ... sorry but I call bulls**t.
Ha ha did someone actually say they would send Banksy some money from the sale of their print - that does make me laugh !!!!
Always seems to be members with Banksy prints that get a little excited when someone says "WCP" And to the poster who says he would send Banksy some money if/when he sold his work on ... sorry but I call bulls**t. Ha ha did someone actually say they would send Banksy some money from the sale of their print - that does make me laugh !!!! |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by jesustheba on Jul 19, 2013 11:28:00 GMT 1, This same argument seems to come around as fast as the flipper arguments
I have a nice art collection including the one signed banksy print i was lucky enough to get from source i also have a wcp rude copper framed up on the wall,its not there as any status symbol i have it because i love the image always wanted one so bought it and put it on my wall,i dont have to worry about it being in the sun or my toddler putting his fingers all over it,it was cheap to frame and its great
what i find disgusting is when you see members on here flogging their never been framed, stored flat in portfolio, perfect condition banksy prints,nobody ever passes comment yet a few people want to put an imge up on their wall without spending thousands and everybody gets pissy
This same argument seems to come around as fast as the flipper arguments
I have a nice art collection including the one signed banksy print i was lucky enough to get from source i also have a wcp rude copper framed up on the wall,its not there as any status symbol i have it because i love the image always wanted one so bought it and put it on my wall,i dont have to worry about it being in the sun or my toddler putting his fingers all over it,it was cheap to frame and its great
what i find disgusting is when you see members on here flogging their never been framed, stored flat in portfolio, perfect condition banksy prints,nobody ever passes comment yet a few people want to put an imge up on their wall without spending thousands and everybody gets pissy
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 14:23:21 GMT 1, It's not too late. It isn't like people are in love with the brand. If you do a better quality copy I'm sure they will sell. I'm not sure why people get so hot and bothered over these. A fool and their money? I could make the same argument for anyone buying Banksy prints at current prices. How's this, let say someone likes a Banksy image and has 10k or whatever the cost of the real print to spend. What makes more sense buy the original or buy a cheap copy and donate the rest to Against Malaria or some other very productive charity that saves lives? Myself included I think too many of us are blowing up these bubbles while we should be doing more to help others. At the end of the day we are talking about pretty pictures. I'm all for supporting emerging artist make a living. In the case of Banksy he isn't losing here and he doesn't need the money. I say go for the fakes if you really love the image. I appreciate what you are trying to say but why not expand that thought? Why pay more to live in a posh suburb or a bigger house? what about just buying a Toyota instead of the BMW? spend less on the wife and kids get a citizen instead of the Omega? the cash saved could then be given to someone who has nothing? Its like communism it looks good on paper but in reality it just does not work. This is a interesting subject tho.
It is a very important subject but doesn't interest too many here.
Its an art forum so it's good to keep it focused on art.If you can only get people to START thinking in the right way it will spread to other aspects of their life quite naturally.The important thing is to start thinking.
The current most dominant form of capitalism works in reality no better than communism but it does a great job of stopping people thinking about it.
We should know better by now.
Group hug!
It's not too late. It isn't like people are in love with the brand. If you do a better quality copy I'm sure they will sell. I'm not sure why people get so hot and bothered over these. A fool and their money? I could make the same argument for anyone buying Banksy prints at current prices. How's this, let say someone likes a Banksy image and has 10k or whatever the cost of the real print to spend. What makes more sense buy the original or buy a cheap copy and donate the rest to Against Malaria or some other very productive charity that saves lives? Myself included I think too many of us are blowing up these bubbles while we should be doing more to help others. At the end of the day we are talking about pretty pictures. I'm all for supporting emerging artist make a living. In the case of Banksy he isn't losing here and he doesn't need the money. I say go for the fakes if you really love the image. I appreciate what you are trying to say but why not expand that thought? Why pay more to live in a posh suburb or a bigger house? what about just buying a Toyota instead of the BMW? spend less on the wife and kids get a citizen instead of the Omega? the cash saved could then be given to someone who has nothing? Its like communism it looks good on paper but in reality it just does not work. This is a interesting subject tho. Good post andyroo0312. It is a very important subject but doesn't interest too many here. Its an art forum so it's good to keep it focused on art.If you can only get people to START thinking in the right way it will spread to other aspects of their life quite naturally.The important thing is to start thinking. The current most dominant form of capitalism works in reality no better than communism but it does a great job of stopping people thinking about it. We should know better by now. Group hug! |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 15:46:42 GMT 1, No, that's not the point. You're supporting a group (WCP) who doesn't care about the art, just that you're dumb enough to line their pockets. I'd have no problem with these reproductions if the artist (i.e. Banksy) was getting compensated for it. These are just simple opportunists and you're alright with that? get back to me when it's your artwork being flogged all over ebay and someone else profiting off of you. Get real buddy. Even the limited nature of these knockoffs are a joke. Ooooh, a limited run of folex, who cares! Ok so here's some simple questions then - they all just need Yes or No answers: 1) If someone sells on a Banksy print for ยฃ12k that they bought for ยฃ300 years ago is this helping Banksy in any way? 2) Will you be passing on some of this huge profit to Mr Gunningham? 3) Is this profiting from someone else's talent and image to make a money yourself different from what wcp are doing? 4) Do you think Banksy is on the breadline and is desperate for the money? Just Yes or No answers please.
Ok just as I thought.
The reluctance of anyone in the anti wcp brigade to answer these very simple questions has just shown up certain members on this thread to be the hypocrites that they really are.
Well done.
No, that's not the point. You're supporting a group (WCP) who doesn't care about the art, just that you're dumb enough to line their pockets. I'd have no problem with these reproductions if the artist (i.e. Banksy) was getting compensated for it. These are just simple opportunists and you're alright with that? get back to me when it's your artwork being flogged all over ebay and someone else profiting off of you. Get real buddy. Even the limited nature of these knockoffs are a joke. Ooooh, a limited run of folex, who cares! Ok so here's some simple questions then - they all just need Yes or No answers: 1) If someone sells on a Banksy print for ยฃ12k that they bought for ยฃ300 years ago is this helping Banksy in any way? 2) Will you be passing on some of this huge profit to Mr Gunningham? 3) Is this profiting from someone else's talent and image to make a money yourself different from what wcp are doing? 4) Do you think Banksy is on the breadline and is desperate for the money? Just Yes or No answers please. Ok just as I thought. The reluctance of anyone in the anti wcp brigade to answer these very simple questions has just shown up certain members on this thread to be the hypocrites that they really are. Well done. |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by bsimkin on Jul 19, 2013 16:29:29 GMT 1, Ok so here's some simple questions then - they all just need Yes or No answers: 1) If someone sells on a Banksy print for ยฃ12k that they bought for ยฃ300 years ago is this helping Banksy in any way? 2) Will you be passing on some of this huge profit to Mr Gunningham? 3) Is this profiting from someone else's talent and image to make a money yourself different from what wcp are doing? 4) Do you think Banksy is on the breadline and is desperate for the money? Just Yes or No answers please. Ok just as I thought. The reluctance of anyone in the anti wcp brigade to answer these very simple questions has just shown up certain members on this thread to be the hypocrites that they really are. Well done.
Ok so here's some simple questions then - they all just need Yes or No answers: 1) If someone sells on a Banksy print for ยฃ12k that they bought for ยฃ300 years ago is this helping Banksy in any way? 2) Will you be passing on some of this huge profit to Mr Gunningham? 3) Is this profiting from someone else's talent and image to make a money yourself different from what wcp are doing? 4) Do you think Banksy is on the breadline and is desperate for the money? Just Yes or No answers please. Ok just as I thought. The reluctance of anyone in the anti wcp brigade to answer these very simple questions has just shown up certain members on this thread to be the hypocrites that they really are. Well done. I did answer these questions, and like the other member who answered them, i treated my answers in the loaded way that you presented them as well. So yes, keep buying your knock-offs and supporting the opportunists, it doesn't bother me. Sounds like WCP has a big fan club, wonder which artist's hard work they'll profit off of next. Dolk? Eelus? Faile? |
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Banksy Grin Reaper Print, by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 17:46:28 GMT 1, Ok just as I thought. The reluctance of anyone in the anti wcp brigade to answer these very simple questions has just shown up certain members on this thread to be the hypocrites that they really are. Well done. I did answer these questions, and like the other member who answered them, i treated my answers in the loaded way that you presented them as well. So yes, keep buying your knock-offs and supporting the opportunists, it doesn't bother me. Sounds like WCP has a big fan club, wonder which artist's hard work they'll profit off of next. Dolk? Eelus? Faile?
I really wouldn't care if wcp did knock off prints for other artists and I certainly wouldn't feel the need to tell others not to buy them. He'll probably only stick to doing Banksy though as the price of his prints have become ridiculously high and are out of reach of many people. I suppose Banksy prints should only be for the rich then?
I loved your answer that yes you would give Banksy the profit you made if you could contact him!!! That really made me chuckle and my Bulls**t-ometer went off the scale!!
Ok just as I thought. The reluctance of anyone in the anti wcp brigade to answer these very simple questions has just shown up certain members on this thread to be the hypocrites that they really are. Well done. I did answer these questions, and like the other member who answered them, i treated my answers in the loaded way that you presented them as well. So yes, keep buying your knock-offs and supporting the opportunists, it doesn't bother me. Sounds like WCP has a big fan club, wonder which artist's hard work they'll profit off of next. Dolk? Eelus? Faile? OK clearly the Yes or No bit didn't get through to everyone. I really wouldn't care if wcp did knock off prints for other artists and I certainly wouldn't feel the need to tell others not to buy them. He'll probably only stick to doing Banksy though as the price of his prints have become ridiculously high and are out of reach of many people. I suppose Banksy prints should only be for the rich then? I loved your answer that yes you would give Banksy the profit you made if you could contact him!!! That really made me chuckle and my Bulls**t-ometer went off the scale!! |
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