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What next for Banksy?, by Daniel Silk on Dec 22, 2008 18:32:05 GMT 1, I do think Banksy is flooding his own market and should actually produce his work in editions of no more than 150 signed. I can never get them when they're released anyway.
Trouble is with those sorts of numbers is that the price for each print would be ยฃ1,000+ putting his work even more out of reach of the average person on the street. Maybe thats the way its gonna go, but Im not sure its would be a good move in the long run
I do think Banksy is flooding his own market and should actually produce his work in editions of no more than 150 signed. I can never get them when they're released anyway. Trouble is with those sorts of numbers is that the price for each print would be ยฃ1,000+ putting his work even more out of reach of the average person on the street. Maybe thats the way its gonna go, but Im not sure its would be a good move in the long run
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What next for Banksy?, by Guest on Dec 22, 2008 20:45:53 GMT 1, Daytime chat show?
Daytime chat show?
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What next for Banksy?, by bradpitt on Dec 22, 2008 20:51:13 GMT 1, Celebrity dancing on ice would be cool? love that shiz
Celebrity dancing on ice would be cool? love that shiz
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What next for Banksy?, by veralynn on Dec 22, 2008 21:17:42 GMT 1, Think that at some stage in any career, you need to reach for the next rung of the ladder, I've never truly bought into the 'keeping it real' vibe. There might come a time when you aspire to true greatness, you could argue that its not about money (and its clearly not) so what is it all about.
Is it about the next big thing? I think it is - so what does that look like? IMO its not another print run, the last two releases being more about the credibiltity of the POW brand than anything else? Where is that LA print run?
Think that at some stage in any career, you need to reach for the next rung of the ladder, I've never truly bought into the 'keeping it real' vibe. There might come a time when you aspire to true greatness, you could argue that its not about money (and its clearly not) so what is it all about.
Is it about the next big thing? I think it is - so what does that look like? IMO its not another print run, the last two releases being more about the credibiltity of the POW brand than anything else? Where is that LA print run?
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What next for Banksy?, by cutty on Dec 22, 2008 22:26:15 GMT 1, More work worldwide, Melbourne, Japan etc. Get out to some random spots that you think he would never go.
Cheers
More work worldwide, Melbourne, Japan etc. Get out to some random spots that you think he would never go.
Cheers
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What next for Banksy?, by Billy Sport on Dec 22, 2008 23:40:25 GMT 1, i wanna see him breakdance 2 electric boogaloo..
i wanna see him breakdance 2 electric boogaloo..
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What next for Banksy?, by gerry on Dec 23, 2008 1:22:06 GMT 1, So basically we've accepted that Banksy's not a graffiti artist anymore, and shouldn't be again?
So basically we've accepted that Banksy's not a graffiti artist anymore, and shouldn't be again?
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What next for Banksy?, by Deleted on Dec 23, 2008 1:57:41 GMT 1, something Alsababr hasn't already heard about
something Alsababr hasn't already heard about
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What next for Banksy?, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 23, 2008 7:15:59 GMT 1, Have an actual museum solo show.
Have an actual museum solo show.
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What next for Banksy?, by howler on Dec 23, 2008 9:32:15 GMT 1, Donate some originals to people who ACTUALLY NEED THE MONEY.
Yeah too right, what his problem with poor blind people that can't afford a 20 quid operation hey, cunts, they're only going to want to go and look at stuff what's the point in that ?
And don't get me started on deprived Palestinian kids living in constant fear in a war zone they didn't create, what do they need art for hey ? bit of old shrapnel off a bomb site was good enough for my old man when he was a kid.
Donate some originals to people who ACTUALLY NEED THE MONEY. Yeah too right, what his problem with poor blind people that can't afford a 20 quid operation hey, cu nts, they're only going to want to go and look at stuff what's the point in that ? And don't get me started on deprived Palestinian kids living in constant fear in a war zone they didn't create, what do they need art for hey ? bit of old shrapnel off a bomb site was good enough for my old man when he was a kid.
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What next for Banksy?, by snausages on Dec 23, 2008 15:48:51 GMT 1, Have an actual museum solo show. That's what I said, would be interesting to see but then I started to wonder if Banksy really gives a damn about museum shows or the standard career path of a "normal" artist?
Have an actual museum solo show. That's what I said, would be interesting to see but then I started to wonder if Banksy really gives a damn about museum shows or the standard career path of a "normal" artist?
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What next for Banksy?, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 23, 2008 16:46:53 GMT 1, Have an actual museum solo show. That's what I said, would be interesting to see but then I started to wonder if Banksy really gives a damn about museum shows or the standard career path of a "normal" artist?
He obviously gives a damn about the career path of a normal artist when he prints editions of 500, signs them with a pencil, and sells them for $800 a piece.
My guess is n curator at a museum has thought to give him a show, or they find Steve Lazarides too much of an asshole to work with.
Have an actual museum solo show. That's what I said, would be interesting to see but then I started to wonder if Banksy really gives a damn about museum shows or the standard career path of a "normal" artist? He obviously gives a damn about the career path of a normal artist when he prints editions of 500, signs them with a pencil, and sells them for $800 a piece. My guess is n curator at a museum has thought to give him a show, or they find Steve Lazarides too much of an asshole to work with.
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What next for Banksy?, by pezlow on Dec 23, 2008 17:16:31 GMT 1, There will be banksy museum shows but just not yet. Will take a while but they will come. And I tend to agree that Banksy almost certainly doesn't give a shit about that sort of stuff anyway.
There will be banksy museum shows but just not yet. Will take a while but they will come. And I tend to agree that Banksy almost certainly doesn't give a shit about that sort of stuff anyway.
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What next for Banksy?, by snausages on Dec 23, 2008 17:50:13 GMT 1, That's what I said, would be interesting to see but then I started to wonder if Banksy really gives a damn about museum shows or the standard career path of a "normal" artist? He obviously gives a damn about the career path of a normal artist when he prints editions of 500, signs them with a pencil, and sells them for $800 a piece. My guess is n curator at a museum has thought to give him a show, or they find Steve Lazarides too much of an asshole to work with. What?!?! You're interpolating your own agenda into his actions if you ask me. There's no way you can extrapolate with certainty that selling a limited edition means you are interested in a "normal" career path.
For one thing he has poked a lot of fun at these museums and for another thing he has done little to push himself in that direction by avoiding the standard gallery show circuit and by not exhibiting in standard white cubes. It's certainly possible that he'd take on a museum show but there's definite evidence that he may also not give a damn about that kind of thing as well.
That's what I said, would be interesting to see but then I started to wonder if Banksy really gives a damn about museum shows or the standard career path of a "normal" artist? He obviously gives a damn about the career path of a normal artist when he prints editions of 500, signs them with a pencil, and sells them for $800 a piece. My guess is n curator at a museum has thought to give him a show, or they find Steve Lazarides too much of an asshole to work with. What?!?! You're interpolating your own agenda into his actions if you ask me. There's no way you can extrapolate with certainty that selling a limited edition means you are interested in a "normal" career path. For one thing he has poked a lot of fun at these museums and for another thing he has done little to push himself in that direction by avoiding the standard gallery show circuit and by not exhibiting in standard white cubes. It's certainly possible that he'd take on a museum show but there's definite evidence that he may also not give a damn about that kind of thing as well.
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What next for Banksy?, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 23, 2008 23:36:58 GMT 1, lol... i think you are just upset that I don't bow to the temple of Banksy. Selling your art is taking a somewhat "normal" art path. I am not exactly sure what a "standard gallery show circuit" is either... last time I checked he has gallery representation through Steve Lazarides and exhibitits in places like NYC, London, and LA. He's auctioned off in Sotheby's, Christie's, and Phillips. His biggest buyers are people like Damen Hirst and Brad Pitt. I don't exactly see where you don't think he's a standard artist. Sure he paints the occasional public mural, but other artists do large public works as well. He works in a figurative style, doesn't explore any new mediums, and doesn't approach too controversial a subject.
He's a good artist, but I don't see how he is some "groundbreaking" figure who is going to change the history of art.
lol... i think you are just upset that I don't bow to the temple of Banksy. Selling your art is taking a somewhat "normal" art path. I am not exactly sure what a "standard gallery show circuit" is either... last time I checked he has gallery representation through Steve Lazarides and exhibitits in places like NYC, London, and LA. He's auctioned off in Sotheby's, Christie's, and Phillips. His biggest buyers are people like Damen Hirst and Brad Pitt. I don't exactly see where you don't think he's a standard artist. Sure he paints the occasional public mural, but other artists do large public works as well. He works in a figurative style, doesn't explore any new mediums, and doesn't approach too controversial a subject.
He's a good artist, but I don't see how he is some "groundbreaking" figure who is going to change the history of art.
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What next for Banksy?, by snakes on Dec 23, 2008 23:43:23 GMT 1, lol... i think you are just upset that I don't bow to the temple of Banksy. Selling your art is taking a somewhat "normal" art path. I am not exactly sure what a "standard gallery show circuit" is either... last time I checked he has gallery representation through Steve Lazarides and exhibitits in places like NYC, London, and LA. He's auctioned off in Sotheby's, Christie's, and Phillips. His biggest buyers are people like Damen Hirst and Brad Pitt. I don't exactly see where you don't think he's a standard artist. Sure he paints the occasional public mural, but other artists do large public works as well. He works in a figurative style, doesn't explore any new mediums, and doesn't approach too controversial a subject. He's a good artist, but I don't see how he is some "groundbreaking" figure who is going to change the history of art.
Good call.
lol... i think you are just upset that I don't bow to the temple of Banksy. Selling your art is taking a somewhat "normal" art path. I am not exactly sure what a "standard gallery show circuit" is either... last time I checked he has gallery representation through Steve Lazarides and exhibitits in places like NYC, London, and LA. He's auctioned off in Sotheby's, Christie's, and Phillips. His biggest buyers are people like Damen Hirst and Brad Pitt. I don't exactly see where you don't think he's a standard artist. Sure he paints the occasional public mural, but other artists do large public works as well. He works in a figurative style, doesn't explore any new mediums, and doesn't approach too controversial a subject. He's a good artist, but I don't see how he is some "groundbreaking" figure who is going to change the history of art. Good call.
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What next for Banksy?, by snausages on Dec 24, 2008 0:24:34 GMT 1, What Banksy has done and continues to do is not the traditional path even if they do intertwine at times. Numerous, obvious examples abound as to why it's not traditional and because of this it is certainly fair to question whether or not he gives a damn about getting a traditional museum show.
I don't think it's just that you don't bow to the "temple of Banksy." It's that making a statement such as that exhibits an obvious negative biasโeven if you do recognize that he's a "good artist." I see such a firmly entrenched pessimistic or simply uncaring attitude about Banksy and or his following that it taints your opinion in just the opposite way you probably think it taints mine. Or perhaps you're (understandably) annoyed that this outsider/street artist has risen so quickly while other 'contemporary fine artists' which you talk about haven't attained such status?
I follow contemporary art too, more than street art, and can understand that sentimentโif that's where you're coming from. It used to bother me a lot that Banksy was priced so much higher than so many "contemporaries." But honestly I now think that Banksy and a (very) small list of street artists can easily hold their own amongst the fine art contemporary "elite." In the past I've also made critical remarks about street art and it's followers as well for ignoring a whole other world of art. I just hope I wasn't so patronizing because now I see how annoying it can come across. But maybe I'm just reading too much in all of your comments?
What Banksy has done and continues to do is not the traditional path even if they do intertwine at times. Numerous, obvious examples abound as to why it's not traditional and because of this it is certainly fair to question whether or not he gives a damn about getting a traditional museum show.
I don't think it's just that you don't bow to the "temple of Banksy." It's that making a statement such as that exhibits an obvious negative biasโeven if you do recognize that he's a "good artist." I see such a firmly entrenched pessimistic or simply uncaring attitude about Banksy and or his following that it taints your opinion in just the opposite way you probably think it taints mine. Or perhaps you're (understandably) annoyed that this outsider/street artist has risen so quickly while other 'contemporary fine artists' which you talk about haven't attained such status?
I follow contemporary art too, more than street art, and can understand that sentimentโif that's where you're coming from. It used to bother me a lot that Banksy was priced so much higher than so many "contemporaries." But honestly I now think that Banksy and a (very) small list of street artists can easily hold their own amongst the fine art contemporary "elite." In the past I've also made critical remarks about street art and it's followers as well for ignoring a whole other world of art. I just hope I wasn't so patronizing because now I see how annoying it can come across. But maybe I'm just reading too much in all of your comments?
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What next for Banksy?, by bradpitt on Dec 24, 2008 0:43:00 GMT 1, lol... i think you are just upset that I don't bow to the temple of Banksy. Selling your art is taking a somewhat "normal" art path. I am not exactly sure what a "standard gallery show circuit" is either... last time I checked he has gallery representation through Steve Lazarides and exhibitits in places like NYC, London, and LA. He's auctioned off in Sotheby's, Christie's, and Phillips. His biggest buyers are people like Damen Hirst and Brad Pitt. I don't exactly see where you don't think he's a standard artist. Sure he paints the occasional public mural, but other artists do large public works as well. He works in a figurative style, doesn't explore any new mediums, and doesn't approach too controversial a subject. He's a good artist, but I don't see how he is some "groundbreaking" figure who is going to change the history of art.
As for collectors, Pharrell Williams and Nigo buy out entire Kaws shows but he is considered god like for some reason. I don't think we even know who collects him to be honest. Whats wrong with Brad Pitt anyway?
New mediums - the pet store??
Controversial subjects - is that a joke? Bethlehem, Palestine, New Orleans to name a few
Groundbreaking - he put himself in the museums, has painted all over the world, was one of the pioneers of stencil art and creating this buzz around this whole scene. I could probably go on all day with this stuff.
He is Banksy, he did his thing first, the others followed. Banksy has already carved his mark in history and will continue to do so.
lol... i think you are just upset that I don't bow to the temple of Banksy. Selling your art is taking a somewhat "normal" art path. I am not exactly sure what a "standard gallery show circuit" is either... last time I checked he has gallery representation through Steve Lazarides and exhibitits in places like NYC, London, and LA. He's auctioned off in Sotheby's, Christie's, and Phillips. His biggest buyers are people like Damen Hirst and Brad Pitt. I don't exactly see where you don't think he's a standard artist. Sure he paints the occasional public mural, but other artists do large public works as well. He works in a figurative style, doesn't explore any new mediums, and doesn't approach too controversial a subject. He's a good artist, but I don't see how he is some "groundbreaking" figure who is going to change the history of art. As for collectors, Pharrell Williams and Nigo buy out entire Kaws shows but he is considered god like for some reason. I don't think we even know who collects him to be honest. Whats wrong with Brad Pitt anyway? New mediums - the pet store?? Controversial subjects - is that a joke? Bethlehem, Palestine, New Orleans to name a few Groundbreaking - he put himself in the museums, has painted all over the world, was one of the pioneers of stencil art and creating this buzz around this whole scene. I could probably go on all day with this stuff. He is Banksy, he did his thing first, the others followed. Banksy has already carved his mark in history and will continue to do so.
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What next for Banksy?, by They call me Stephen on Dec 24, 2008 0:44:44 GMT 1, ^you would say that though brad, you're one of his biggest buyers
I think he will continue to suprise us in 2009...who would ever have guessed at cans or the pet store back at the start of 2008...both brilliant shows for very different reasons.
I would love to see some more street work on a large scale.
I personally think a museum show would feel stale, something along the lines of turf war however would be superb although with his current profile i'm not so sure it could happen logistically.
a few huge street pieces showing why he's held in such high regard, a show of some kind somewhere (preferably in london so i can make it) and 1 or 2 print releases...2009 done
^you would say that though brad, you're one of his biggest buyers I think he will continue to suprise us in 2009...who would ever have guessed at cans or the pet store back at the start of 2008...both brilliant shows for very different reasons. I would love to see some more street work on a large scale. I personally think a museum show would feel stale, something along the lines of turf war however would be superb although with his current profile i'm not so sure it could happen logistically. a few huge street pieces showing why he's held in such high regard, a show of some kind somewhere (preferably in london so i can make it) and 1 or 2 print releases...2009 done
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What next for Banksy?, by onemandown72 on Dec 24, 2008 0:48:49 GMT 1, Museum show - let's put him in a box and define him by his genre! James & Snausages there is total merit in what you are both saying. This boils down to looking at an artists career in current terms without feeling the need to compare to the past and therefore catagorise what Banksy does.
Museum show - let's put him in a box and define him by his genre! James & Snausages there is total merit in what you are both saying. This boils down to looking at an artists career in current terms without feeling the need to compare to the past and therefore catagorise what Banksy does.
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What next for Banksy?, by bradpitt on Dec 24, 2008 1:04:57 GMT 1, I wasn't having a dig at James, I probably don't understand what him and Snausages talk about as I pretty much hate 80% of 'contemporary art' I see. I just don't get it, I get street art - for me it's what art is all about. Hopefully there is a whole younger generation who feel like this. Maybe it's just because i'm stupid and I find it's more accessible to me. You don't have to answer the latter.
I wasn't having a dig at James, I probably don't understand what him and Snausages talk about as I pretty much hate 80% of 'contemporary art' I see. I just don't get it, I get street art - for me it's what art is all about. Hopefully there is a whole younger generation who feel like this. Maybe it's just because i'm stupid and I find it's more accessible to me. You don't have to answer the latter.
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What next for Banksy?, by jamesreeve5 on Dec 24, 2008 4:11:11 GMT 1, What Banksy has done and continues to do is not the traditional path even if they do intertwine at times. Numerous, obvious examples abound as to why it's not traditional and because of this it is certainly fair to question whether or not he gives a damn about getting a traditional museum show. I don't think it's just that you don't bow to the "temple of Banksy." It's that making a statement such as that exhibits an obvious negative biasโeven if you do recognize that he's a "good artist." I see such a firmly entrenched pessimistic or simply uncaring attitude about Banksy and or his following that it taints your opinion in just the opposite way you probably think it taints mine. Or perhaps you're (understandably) annoyed that this outsider/street artist has risen so quickly while other 'contemporary fine artists' which you talk about haven't attained such status? I follow contemporary art too, more than street art, and can understand that sentimentโif that's where you're coming from. It used to bother me a lot that Banksy was priced so much higher than so many "contemporaries." But honestly I now think that Banksy and a (very) small list of street artists can easily hold their own amongst the fine art contemporary "elite." In the past I've also made critical remarks about street art and it's followers as well for ignoring a whole other world of art. I just hope I wasn't so patronizing because now I see how annoying it can come across. But maybe I'm just reading too much in all of your comments?
I am not sure which "elite" fine artists you follow, but artists I like include people like Terrence Koh, Banks Violette, Dash Snow, Raymond Pettibon, Urs Fischer, and Dan Colen. I think that the artists I just listed however, might balk at the idea of beig called "elite". Compared to these artists Banksy's rise (in both price and stature) doesn't seem quite so astronomical, nor does his influence seem quite so far reaching. I would include Banksy in a list with these artists (and others) as some of the leading young artists of our generation, but he's not at the top because there is no top to a list like this.
To feel I'm patronizing for saying that there shouldn't be this fake divide between some imagined "elite" art group and a "punk" street artist like Banksy is absurd. For saying that Banksy is not a singular voice, but instead one of many voices in some of the best art being produced today, it means I have some bias against Banksy in your eyes. For wanting him to get the recognition he deserves from the art world academics by suggesting that he should get some sort of museum show this year obviously shows my bias against the guy. Museum shows used to be the way the masses enjoyed art. I'm not sure when enjoying art turned into needing to buy prints, but I would trade in the opportunity to buy a print next year for the opportunity to see some great Banksy originals in a Museum.
And here's where I get patronizing... This movement that Banksy has somehow become the unwitting figurehead of is 99% crap, and it's his strong association with this following that I believe is now holding Banksy back. His work deserves to be hanging in a gallery along side other great contemporary artist's work, not wasting away in Lazarides' "street art" gallery.
What Banksy has done and continues to do is not the traditional path even if they do intertwine at times. Numerous, obvious examples abound as to why it's not traditional and because of this it is certainly fair to question whether or not he gives a damn about getting a traditional museum show. I don't think it's just that you don't bow to the "temple of Banksy." It's that making a statement such as that exhibits an obvious negative biasโeven if you do recognize that he's a "good artist." I see such a firmly entrenched pessimistic or simply uncaring attitude about Banksy and or his following that it taints your opinion in just the opposite way you probably think it taints mine. Or perhaps you're (understandably) annoyed that this outsider/street artist has risen so quickly while other 'contemporary fine artists' which you talk about haven't attained such status? I follow contemporary art too, more than street art, and can understand that sentimentโif that's where you're coming from. It used to bother me a lot that Banksy was priced so much higher than so many "contemporaries." But honestly I now think that Banksy and a (very) small list of street artists can easily hold their own amongst the fine art contemporary "elite." In the past I've also made critical remarks about street art and it's followers as well for ignoring a whole other world of art. I just hope I wasn't so patronizing because now I see how annoying it can come across. But maybe I'm just reading too much in all of your comments? I am not sure which "elite" fine artists you follow, but artists I like include people like Terrence Koh, Banks Violette, Dash Snow, Raymond Pettibon, Urs Fischer, and Dan Colen. I think that the artists I just listed however, might balk at the idea of beig called "elite". Compared to these artists Banksy's rise (in both price and stature) doesn't seem quite so astronomical, nor does his influence seem quite so far reaching. I would include Banksy in a list with these artists (and others) as some of the leading young artists of our generation, but he's not at the top because there is no top to a list like this. To feel I'm patronizing for saying that there shouldn't be this fake divide between some imagined "elite" art group and a "punk" street artist like Banksy is absurd. For saying that Banksy is not a singular voice, but instead one of many voices in some of the best art being produced today, it means I have some bias against Banksy in your eyes. For wanting him to get the recognition he deserves from the art world academics by suggesting that he should get some sort of museum show this year obviously shows my bias against the guy. Museum shows used to be the way the masses enjoyed art. I'm not sure when enjoying art turned into needing to buy prints, but I would trade in the opportunity to buy a print next year for the opportunity to see some great Banksy originals in a Museum. And here's where I get patronizing... This movement that Banksy has somehow become the unwitting figurehead of is 99% crap, and it's his strong association with this following that I believe is now holding Banksy back. His work deserves to be hanging in a gallery along side other great contemporary artist's work, not wasting away in Lazarides' "street art" gallery.
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What next for Banksy?, by pezlow on Dec 24, 2008 8:31:16 GMT 1, You are right James that comes across as very patronizing.
I do think you seem to be missing the whole point about Banksy. You say "I would trade in the opportunity to buy a print next year for the opportunity to see some great Banksy originals in a Museum". He is first and foremost a STREET ARTIST. You can see his "originals" all over the place. You don't need to go to a museum. Come to london and I will give you a tour.
Banksy has stayed true to this by, this year alone, doing cans, the various pieces in London, all the rats in new york, all the pieces in New Orleans and many others. His only show has been a converted pet store in New York where nothing was for sale.
By contrast he has done remarkably little "selling" this year. The odd canvas maybe but no show. And only 597 prints. Hardly a massive selling output is it?
You say that banksys work "deserves to be hanging in a gallery along side other great contemporary artist's work". I don't think Banksy wants that. He wants to continue to tread his own path. That is what makes him so different.
You are right James that comes across as very patronizing.
I do think you seem to be missing the whole point about Banksy. You say "I would trade in the opportunity to buy a print next year for the opportunity to see some great Banksy originals in a Museum". He is first and foremost a STREET ARTIST. You can see his "originals" all over the place. You don't need to go to a museum. Come to london and I will give you a tour.
Banksy has stayed true to this by, this year alone, doing cans, the various pieces in London, all the rats in new york, all the pieces in New Orleans and many others. His only show has been a converted pet store in New York where nothing was for sale.
By contrast he has done remarkably little "selling" this year. The odd canvas maybe but no show. And only 597 prints. Hardly a massive selling output is it?
You say that banksys work "deserves to be hanging in a gallery along side other great contemporary artist's work". I don't think Banksy wants that. He wants to continue to tread his own path. That is what makes him so different.
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What next for Banksy?, by snausages on Dec 24, 2008 8:49:14 GMT 1, Museum shows used to be the way the masses enjoyed art. Is you're thinking constrained by outdated perceptions? So which elite art snobs get to decide what is art and belongs in a museum? Banksy decided to give art to the masses without the approval of the stodgy establishment. And even mocked them with putting his own works in there. This is precisely what makes me wonder if Banksy really would care to have a proper show at one of these establishments.
I personally don't feel the need to see Banksy work in a museum. And you don't have to buy prints to see his work. He had multiple murals up in NYC, a free show (including scuplture/animatronics-no stencils mind you) and street works across the US this year. (All for free, no museum admission, and nothing for sale) not to mention the street works he's put up in the UK and beyond.
And I'm not the biggest fan of the Lazarides Gallery, but why should Banksy switch to some other gallery now? To give himself "credit" amongst the hob nobbing art elite? 8 years ago no gallery would have touched him, so he and Steve built their own 'label' so to speak and released their art themselves, and to great success. Kudos! Why should Banksy go crawling to some supposedly "established" gallery now? Why not flip them the bird and take it to them their style. I mean I understand what you're saying but on the other hand I again feel like your thinking within the confines of the conventional.
And I know the artists you mention, I wouldn't mind owning work by some of them, but some, even the ones I'd like to own I feel are still a bit of a question mark. I think Dan Colen nailed it with his abstract bird crap paintings, but his stuff like "ram a lama ding ding" and chewing gum? I'm not convinced. A lot of those guys, are they just cool NYC LES darling types or the real thing? Time will tell. And I wouldn't say Banksy is better than any of them, but Banksy is certainly a cultural phenomenon while those guys aren't.
I also still think you're really underestimating some of the other street artists. It's a genre, Banksy's not the only artist in it, there is some really good work coming out by some of the best names, and their is much more bad, really bad street art coming out too. I think at least 80% of street art is derivative, not smart and utter s**te. But don't get me wrong. I think 80%+ of contemporary "fine" art is derivative, overconceptualized and utter s**te too.
Your posts recently have been coming across as angry, sarcastic or as though everything you say is a challenge. From the other day with the "please enlighten me" quip, to the snide "sorry was just trying to get it out of you" reply, ...as if you're some educated guru coaxing the right answers out of us and enlightening us to the perils of 'street art.' And in this thread with the "lol" attitude... I sometimes appreciate your insight but sometimes it's just too much.
Museum shows used to be the way the masses enjoyed art. Is you're thinking constrained by outdated perceptions? So which elite art snobs get to decide what is art and belongs in a museum? Banksy decided to give art to the masses without the approval of the stodgy establishment. And even mocked them with putting his own works in there. This is precisely what makes me wonder if Banksy really would care to have a proper show at one of these establishments.
I personally don't feel the need to see Banksy work in a museum. And you don't have to buy prints to see his work. He had multiple murals up in NYC, a free show (including scuplture/animatronics-no stencils mind you) and street works across the US this year. (All for free, no museum admission, and nothing for sale) not to mention the street works he's put up in the UK and beyond.
And I'm not the biggest fan of the Lazarides Gallery, but why should Banksy switch to some other gallery now? To give himself "credit" amongst the hob nobbing art elite? 8 years ago no gallery would have touched him, so he and Steve built their own 'label' so to speak and released their art themselves, and to great success. Kudos! Why should Banksy go crawling to some supposedly "established" gallery now? Why not flip them the bird and take it to them their style. I mean I understand what you're saying but on the other hand I again feel like your thinking within the confines of the conventional.
And I know the artists you mention, I wouldn't mind owning work by some of them, but some, even the ones I'd like to own I feel are still a bit of a question mark. I think Dan Colen nailed it with his abstract bird crap paintings, but his stuff like "ram a lama ding ding" and chewing gum? I'm not convinced. A lot of those guys, are they just cool NYC LES darling types or the real thing? Time will tell. And I wouldn't say Banksy is better than any of them, but Banksy is certainly a cultural phenomenon while those guys aren't.
I also still think you're really underestimating some of the other street artists. It's a genre, Banksy's not the only artist in it, there is some really good work coming out by some of the best names, and their is much more bad, really bad street art coming out too. I think at least 80% of street art is derivative, not smart and utter s**te. But don't get me wrong. I think 80%+ of contemporary "fine" art is derivative, overconceptualized and utter s**te too.
Your posts recently have been coming across as angry, sarcastic or as though everything you say is a challenge. From the other day with the "please enlighten me" quip, to the snide "sorry was just trying to get it out of you" reply, ...as if you're some educated guru coaxing the right answers out of us and enlightening us to the perils of 'street art.' And in this thread with the "lol" attitude... I sometimes appreciate your insight but sometimes it's just too much.
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pezlow
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What next for Banksy?, by pezlow on Dec 24, 2008 10:26:35 GMT 1, Sure he paints the occasional public mural, but other artists do large public works as well.
I think this comment really sums up James' attitude to Banksy. To describe his raison d'etre as being "the occasional public mural" shows in my opinion the lack of appreciation about who Banksy is, where he has come from and what he is trying to achieve.
Sure he paints the occasional public mural, but other artists do large public works as well. I think this comment really sums up James' attitude to Banksy. To describe his raison d'etre as being "the occasional public mural" shows in my opinion the lack of appreciation about who Banksy is, where he has come from and what he is trying to achieve.
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What next for Banksy?, by stender on Dec 24, 2008 10:33:16 GMT 1, I'd like to see him enter the turner prize.
I'd like to see him enter the turner prize.
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What next for Banksy?, by Deleted on Dec 24, 2008 10:52:57 GMT 1, as B has grown in popularity it was inevitable ppl with no idea of where this came from or the purpose behind it or why this connects with the common man (who doesn't walk around galleries - pretending to understand the meaning behind a bunch of quiggles on a page) it just saddens me that they in some way think they understand B without actually understanding anything about him at all
as B has grown in popularity it was inevitable ppl with no idea of where this came from or the purpose behind it or why this connects with the common man (who doesn't walk around galleries - pretending to understand the meaning behind a bunch of quiggles on a page) it just saddens me that they in some way think they understand B without actually understanding anything about him at all
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What next for Banksy?, by Francis on Dec 24, 2008 19:51:12 GMT 1, What's next for Banksy? I think he has come to the point where he thinks his art is too expensive, so he is going to reprint and sign some of his older prints, say editions of 2,000, so that their values go down and more people could afford them. He's going to do less "fine art", the stuff of the snobs and elites and try to have the populist be able to own his work. Banksy is about more people seeing and enjoying his work than just a select few.
What's next for Banksy? I think he has come to the point where he thinks his art is too expensive, so he is going to reprint and sign some of his older prints, say editions of 2,000, so that their values go down and more people could afford them. He's going to do less "fine art", the stuff of the snobs and elites and try to have the populist be able to own his work. Banksy is about more people seeing and enjoying his work than just a select few.
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rhodesy2112
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What next for Banksy?, by rhodesy2112 on Dec 24, 2008 21:04:30 GMT 1, He's going to do less "fine art". Fine art!? Banksy!?? which of work would you class as "fine art" then?
He's going to do less "fine art". Fine art!? Banksy!?? which of work would you class as "fine art" then?
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