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Ebay Prices Falling?, by Happy Shopper on Oct 27, 2008 22:54:54 GMT 1, Just noticed a few interesting items sold low... or unsold...
D*Face Street Improvements: ยฃ60.99 (reserve not met)
Banksy S&S (Framed): ยฃ1650
Faile Memento Mori: ยฃ467
Gutted I missed that S&S. I've been waiting for one to come down to that price again.. or lower ( still hoping  )
Just noticed a few interesting items sold low... or unsold... D*Face Street Improvements: ยฃ60.99 (reserve not met) Banksy S&S (Framed): ยฃ1650 Faile Memento Mori: ยฃ467 Gutted I missed that S&S. I've been waiting for one to come down to that price again.. or lower ( still hoping ) |
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by funyoung on Oct 27, 2008 23:12:14 GMT 1, Like a stone ...
Like a stone ...
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by barry cilit on Oct 27, 2008 23:14:03 GMT 1, Just noticed a few interesting items sold low... or unsold... D*Face Street Improvements: ยฃ60.99 (reserve not met) Banksy S&S (Framed): ยฃ1650 Faile Memento Mori: ยฃ467 Gutted I missed that S&S. I've been waiting for one to come down to that price again.. or lower ( still hoping )
Just noticed a few interesting items sold low... or unsold... D*Face Street Improvements: ยฃ60.99 (reserve not met) Banksy S&S (Framed): ยฃ1650 Faile Memento Mori: ยฃ467 Gutted I missed that S&S. I've been waiting for one to come down to that price again.. or lower ( still hoping ) |
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by junkieart on Oct 27, 2008 23:17:18 GMT 1, Nope a Dface Yellow Poto Tart went for ยฃ1k yesterday!!! D SI single sales are always low, not good unless you are after the set.
Banksy S&S have been on a downward turn for a little while and the POW faile MM is no classic.
IMO all the newish large numbered prints will always struggle. POW prints I believe that in the last couple of years will struggle in the secondary market:
1:Because most collectors (that started with the last couple of years) starting buying everything from POW, thinking they could make a decent profit), because they released earlly B pieces and everyone one and there mum knew them.
2: POW are issuing bigger and bigger editions which always bring artists prices down on the secondary market, take the legendary Micallef's GIWTBB, 1,000 prints, that you could before the so called down turn get at about cost.
3: This is where I think BRP do a great job managing price/popularity/demand
Nothing new here for me, only I think certain galleries have a big responsibility to keeping and arists cred.
Imho JA
Nope a Dface Yellow Poto Tart went for ยฃ1k yesterday!!! D SI single sales are always low, not good unless you are after the set.
Banksy S&S have been on a downward turn for a little while and the POW faile MM is no classic.
IMO all the newish large numbered prints will always struggle. POW prints I believe that in the last couple of years will struggle in the secondary market:
1:Because most collectors (that started with the last couple of years) starting buying everything from POW, thinking they could make a decent profit), because they released earlly B pieces and everyone one and there mum knew them.
2: POW are issuing bigger and bigger editions which always bring artists prices down on the secondary market, take the legendary Micallef's GIWTBB, 1,000 prints, that you could before the so called down turn get at about cost.
3: This is where I think BRP do a great job managing price/popularity/demand
Nothing new here for me, only I think certain galleries have a big responsibility to keeping and arists cred.
Imho JA
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by G-Man on Oct 27, 2008 23:28:02 GMT 1, Credit Crunch
I agree with you junk though BRP manage the edition size much better
The Mic GIWTBB was one of the turning points I reckon
POW could put out Cauty prints and they'd sell out!!
Credit Crunch
I agree with you junk though BRP manage the edition size much better
The Mic GIWTBB was one of the turning points I reckon
POW could put out Cauty prints and they'd sell out!!
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by rosstierney on Oct 27, 2008 23:31:46 GMT 1, what do you mean by better? there was a point to the edition size of giwtbb.
what do you mean by better? there was a point to the edition size of giwtbb.
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by daz205 on Oct 27, 2008 23:33:49 GMT 1, GIWTBB was a great release and still available pretty much at cost, does`nt this mean they were price right with the right edtion size from the start?
GIWTBB was a great release and still available pretty much at cost, does`nt this mean they were price right with the right edtion size from the start?
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by junkieart on Oct 27, 2008 23:35:37 GMT 1, maybe ZBIOK will sell out one day, not many left (why, oh why?)
Also the new Gee was crap,imo but such a massive scramble, how and why can POW do this, IMO its the Banksy legacy!! No other reason surely??
Good luck to them and if people panic and buy. So be it.
maybe ZBIOK will sell out one day, not many left (why, oh why?)
Also the new Gee was crap,imo but such a massive scramble, how and why can POW do this, IMO its the Banksy legacy!! No other reason surely??
Good luck to them and if people panic and buy. So be it.
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by arcam on Oct 27, 2008 23:36:22 GMT 1, Just noticed a few interesting items sold low... or unsold... D*Face Street Improvements: ยฃ60.99 (reserve not met) Banksy S&S (Framed): ยฃ1650 Faile Memento Mori: ยฃ467 Gutted I missed that S&S. I've been waiting for one to come down to that price again.. or lower ( still hoping )
RE - S&S one earlier one finished at ยฃ1,950......I think some prefer to buy unframed. I wasn't keen on the frame either.
Just noticed a few interesting items sold low... or unsold... D*Face Street Improvements: ยฃ60.99 (reserve not met) Banksy S&S (Framed): ยฃ1650 Faile Memento Mori: ยฃ467 Gutted I missed that S&S. I've been waiting for one to come down to that price again.. or lower ( still hoping ) RE - S&S one earlier one finished at ยฃ1,950......I think some prefer to buy unframed. I wasn't keen on the frame either. |
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Richard
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by Richard on Oct 27, 2008 23:37:50 GMT 1, Not sure everyone here would agree with how BRP operate...
Not sure everyone here would agree with how BRP operate...
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by junkieart on Oct 27, 2008 23:56:37 GMT 1, Ross please enlighten me what POW's point was to ruin an original britart.com artist's reputation?
Ross please enlighten me what POW's point was to ruin an original britart.com artist's reputation?
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by snakes on Oct 28, 2008 0:10:44 GMT 1, Ross please enlighten me what POW's point was to ruin an original britart.com artist's reputation?
Don't give POW all the credit as that Laz fella had a hand in it too!
Ross please enlighten me what POW's point was to ruin an original britart.com artist's reputation? Don't give POW all the credit as that Laz fella had a hand in it too! |
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by rosstierney on Oct 28, 2008 0:11:09 GMT 1, Bloody hell JA, POW haven't ruined AM!
At the time GIWTBB was released, AM prices were crazy
They wanted to give as many people as possible the opportunity to own a piece of his work at an affordable price & that's what they did
Props
If you're basing his reputation on value then you're being naive
Bloody hell JA, POW haven't ruined AM!
At the time GIWTBB was released, AM prices were crazy
They wanted to give as many people as possible the opportunity to own a piece of his work at an affordable price & that's what they did
Props
If you're basing his reputation on value then you're being naive
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by slowmo on Oct 28, 2008 0:11:27 GMT 1, Ross please enlighten me what POW's point was to ruin an original britart.com artist's reputation?
POW wanted to release it as a smaller edition, Antony wanted people to have a good chance of owning one of his prints. So he made 1000 of them along with the large edition Laz prints, result was, if you want GIWTBB its not much more than cost, the LA set is not sold out and the eyestorm prints have cooled in price considerably, enabling true fans to pick up a print without paying the extortionate price that would have been in place had it been 5 sets of 95 signed like the eyestorm. I guess he thought releasing 500 Judgement days would have done the job, but got there in the end by flooding it.
The people to lose out are unfortunately those who bought at the price premium, otherwise I would say Antony done a pretty bloody good job of making his prints accessible again, wouldn't you?
Ross please enlighten me what POW's point was to ruin an original britart.com artist's reputation? POW wanted to release it as a smaller edition, Antony wanted people to have a good chance of owning one of his prints. So he made 1000 of them along with the large edition Laz prints, result was, if you want GIWTBB its not much more than cost, the LA set is not sold out and the eyestorm prints have cooled in price considerably, enabling true fans to pick up a print without paying the extortionate price that would have been in place had it been 5 sets of 95 signed like the eyestorm. I guess he thought releasing 500 Judgement days would have done the job, but got there in the end by flooding it. The people to lose out are unfortunately those who bought at the price premium, otherwise I would say Antony done a pretty bloody good job of making his prints accessible again, wouldn't you? |
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by giiiant on Oct 28, 2008 0:21:37 GMT 1, they're dropping like a stone and its fucking awesome
they're dropping like a stone and its fucking awesome
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by junkieart on Oct 28, 2008 0:25:21 GMT 1, Thats crap Ross, would you like every artist you like to be cheap? Do you have any artist you respect? Or could they could make a difference? If so who are they??
How does art remain art if everyone owns it, lets all go to ikea?
Whats your point, cheap art for all?
Thats crap Ross, would you like every artist you like to be cheap? Do you have any artist you respect? Or could they could make a difference? If so who are they??
How does art remain art if everyone owns it, lets all go to ikea?
Whats your point, cheap art for all?
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by giiiant on Oct 28, 2008 0:25:25 GMT 1, strangely enough the relative newcomers (eg spqr) seem to be holding their prices better than the giants (choe/walker/micallef/neate etc)
strangely enough the relative newcomers (eg spqr) seem to be holding their prices better than the giants (choe/walker/micallef/neate etc)
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by sfdoddsy on Oct 28, 2008 0:38:36 GMT 1, Thats crap Ross, would you like every artist you like to be cheap? Do you have any artist you respect? Or could they could make a difference? If so who are they?? How does art remain art if everyone owns it, lets all go to ikea? Whats your point, cheap art for all?
I think that is precisely the point. Cheap art for all. Isn't that what 'street' art is all about?
Thats crap Ross, would you like every artist you like to be cheap? Do you have any artist you respect? Or could they could make a difference? If so who are they?? How does art remain art if everyone owns it, lets all go to ikea? Whats your point, cheap art for all? I think that is precisely the point. Cheap art for all. Isn't that what 'street' art is all about? |
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by Happy Shopper on Oct 28, 2008 0:39:13 GMT 1, RE - S&S one earlier one finished at ยฃ1,950......I think some prefer to buy unframed. I wasn't keen on the frame either.
I think that had something to do with it. Limited the number who could buy it. Obviously no one from abroad, for example, was going to be able to pick it up.
RE - S&S one earlier one finished at ยฃ1,950......I think some prefer to buy unframed. I wasn't keen on the frame either. I think that had something to do with it. Limited the number who could buy it. Obviously no one from abroad, for example, was going to be able to pick it up. |
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by rosstierney on Oct 28, 2008 0:40:54 GMT 1, How would you like it if AM was your favourite artist, you missed out on GIWTBB because it was only limited to a hundred or two & you had to pay +1k for it on ebay?
I don't know why you're going off on one JA
How would you like it if AM was your favourite artist, you missed out on GIWTBB because it was only limited to a hundred or two & you had to pay +1k for it on ebay?
I don't know why you're going off on one JA
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by Deleted on Oct 28, 2008 0:45:28 GMT 1, Thats crap Ross, would you like every artist you like to be cheap? Do you have any artist you respect? Or could they could make a difference? If so who are they?? How does art remain art if everyone owns it, lets all go to ikea? Whats your point, cheap art for all?
f**kin Snob!!!
Piss off to the Saatchi forum!!! 
I personally couldnt give a toss how many there is of an image I love or how much it sells for, you on the other hand sound like you have an expensive hobby just to show off to your friends and spit at those who cant afford. How tastless!!! 
Thats crap Ross, would you like every artist you like to be cheap? Do you have any artist you respect? Or could they could make a difference? If so who are they?? How does art remain art if everyone owns it, lets all go to ikea? Whats your point, cheap art for all? f**kin Snob!!! Piss off to the Saatchi forum!!! I personally couldnt give a toss how many there is of an image I love or how much it sells for, you on the other hand sound like you have an expensive hobby just to show off to your friends and spit at those who cant afford. How tastless!!! |
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 28, 2008 0:59:18 GMT 1, IMHO GIQTBB, as an image, absolutely sh1ts all over the more coveted editions of 50 with sell for 10 times the money. Just my opinion of course, but I think's it's one of the best rprints I've ever seen, by any artist. I spent top dollar on mine around last November or so and sadly the wife despised it (appreciated the execution but not the subject matter), so I swapped it for something different. However there aren't too many Mic' prints I'd prefer framed up on the wall to GIWTBB! (Yeah ok, you could certainly twist my arm with a Dirty Deluxe, but that's about it for me).
And as for cheap art for all, well isn't "street art" supposed to be free? I think charging thousands of pounds for prints at source is madness personally. Always have, always will. I always thought the Laz Micallef prints were madly overpriced and not that easy on the eye either.
IMHO GIQTBB, as an image, absolutely sh1ts all over the more coveted editions of 50 with sell for 10 times the money. Just my opinion of course, but I think's it's one of the best rprints I've ever seen, by any artist. I spent top dollar on mine around last November or so and sadly the wife despised it (appreciated the execution but not the subject matter), so I swapped it for something different. However there aren't too many Mic' prints I'd prefer framed up on the wall to GIWTBB! (Yeah ok, you could certainly twist my arm with a Dirty Deluxe, but that's about it for me).
And as for cheap art for all, well isn't "street art" supposed to be free? I think charging thousands of pounds for prints at source is madness personally. Always have, always will. I always thought the Laz Micallef prints were madly overpriced and not that easy on the eye either.
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by Heavyconsumer on Oct 28, 2008 1:03:39 GMT 1, As for BRP, if they could stop dealing with 2-bob resellers like Panambabe and get their site to stand up to a minor battering they might be able to match their awsome print quality and packaging with a pleasant buying experience, but nobody's perfect I guess. They certainly go out of their way to make sure orders arrive safely and look good when they do! Values shmalues! If you buy to look at it and enjoy it, then a profit when you get bored, is simplay a massive bonus imo. If you buy it for a profit, then surely it's just a speculative exercise, like any other bet.
As for BRP, if they could stop dealing with 2-bob resellers like Panambabe and get their site to stand up to a minor battering they might be able to match their awsome print quality and packaging with a pleasant buying experience, but nobody's perfect I guess. They certainly go out of their way to make sure orders arrive safely and look good when they do! Values shmalues! If you buy to look at it and enjoy it, then a profit when you get bored, is simplay a massive bonus imo. If you buy it for a profit, then surely it's just a speculative exercise, like any other bet.
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by jp on Oct 28, 2008 2:45:50 GMT 1, I And as for cheap art for all, well isn't "street art" supposed to be free? I think charging thousands of pounds for prints at source is madness personally. Always have, always will. I always thought the Laz Micallef prints were madly overpriced and not that easy on the eye either.
I don't know how many times this has to be repeated, but Micallef is NOT a street artist. He has never been, and probably never will be, a street artist. He is classically trained and has gone through the traditional gallery system to get where he is today (even if he is now with Laz).
Having said that, making the edition of 1000, along with 500 for JD and 250 for FF was a nice way for POW to get his art out to a different market than Laz caters to. I think that is a good thing, since prints should not be worth as much money as people here seem to believe anyway. If you buy a print in a large edition, don't bitch about it if it goes down in value. In the case of GIWTBB, how could you think it would be worth lots of money when 999 other people have the same thing you do?
I And as for cheap art for all, well isn't "street art" supposed to be free? I think charging thousands of pounds for prints at source is madness personally. Always have, always will. I always thought the Laz Micallef prints were madly overpriced and not that easy on the eye either. I don't know how many times this has to be repeated, but Micallef is NOT a street artist. He has never been, and probably never will be, a street artist. He is classically trained and has gone through the traditional gallery system to get where he is today (even if he is now with Laz). Having said that, making the edition of 1000, along with 500 for JD and 250 for FF was a nice way for POW to get his art out to a different market than Laz caters to. I think that is a good thing, since prints should not be worth as much money as people here seem to believe anyway. If you buy a print in a large edition, don't bitch about it if it goes down in value. In the case of GIWTBB, how could you think it would be worth lots of money when 999 other people have the same thing you do? |
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by raiden on Oct 28, 2008 6:13:50 GMT 1, Prices have been tanking. I noticed several prints reached historic lows based on the price charts on expressobeans, and really in the last week. I've noticed the biggest drop off started three weeks ago and have not seeing an end in sight. Plus, lots and lots of Ebay postings are citing the economy for their reason for selling.
Secondly, I totally disagree that BRP has done a good job managing demand. Case in point: Blek Le Rat. They dumped a slew of prints that still haven't sold through. Completely stagnated Blek's prices and market for prints for months! (and don't start dumping on Blek - few artists could have weathered releasing 1500 prints in a day all priced at 300 quid up and expect them to sell through... shame on BRP)
I also can't say they've done a great job with Matt Small either for that matter - they should have dropped smaller editions more often to stir up demand and get people talking. His work for the Mercy Centre Appeal book was amazing. But it can't help that he's got two editions that have sit there unsold for ages. Talk about an artist who would have been better served by low edition, hand finished pieces.
The other thing to not forget in all this has been the tanking ยฃBP. Its nice multiplying by 1.75 rather than 2 for a change, but I've noticed the artists with the weakest followings outside of Britain are seeing the worst sting in prices because of it.
Prices have been tanking. I noticed several prints reached historic lows based on the price charts on expressobeans, and really in the last week. I've noticed the biggest drop off started three weeks ago and have not seeing an end in sight. Plus, lots and lots of Ebay postings are citing the economy for their reason for selling.
Secondly, I totally disagree that BRP has done a good job managing demand. Case in point: Blek Le Rat. They dumped a slew of prints that still haven't sold through. Completely stagnated Blek's prices and market for prints for months! (and don't start dumping on Blek - few artists could have weathered releasing 1500 prints in a day all priced at 300 quid up and expect them to sell through... shame on BRP)
I also can't say they've done a great job with Matt Small either for that matter - they should have dropped smaller editions more often to stir up demand and get people talking. His work for the Mercy Centre Appeal book was amazing. But it can't help that he's got two editions that have sit there unsold for ages. Talk about an artist who would have been better served by low edition, hand finished pieces.
The other thing to not forget in all this has been the tanking ยฃBP. Its nice multiplying by 1.75 rather than 2 for a change, but I've noticed the artists with the weakest followings outside of Britain are seeing the worst sting in prices because of it.
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by Grubster on Oct 28, 2008 7:16:51 GMT 1, Prices have been tanking. I noticed several prints reached historic lows based on the price charts on expressobeans, and really in the last week. I've noticed the biggest drop off started three weeks ago and have not seeing an end in sight. Plus, lots and lots of Ebay postings are citing the economy for their reason for selling. Secondly, I totally disagree that BRP has done a good job managing demand. Case in point: Blek Le Rat. They dumped a slew of prints that still haven't sold through. Completely stagnated Blek's prices and market for prints for months! (and don't start dumping on Blek - few artists could have weathered releasing 1500 prints in a day all priced at 300 quid up and expect them to sell through... shame on BRP) I also can't say they've done a great job with Matt Small either for that matter - they should have dropped smaller editions more often to stir up demand and get people talking. His work for the Mercy Centre Appeal book was amazing. But it can't help that he's got two editions that have sit there unsold for ages. Talk about an artist who would have been better served by low edition, hand finished pieces. The other thing to not forget in all this has been the tanking ยฃBP. Its nice multiplying by 1.75 rather than 2 for a change, but I've noticed the artists with the weakest followings outside of Britain are seeing the worst sting in prices because of it.
This is one of the main reason why I am buying more prints now than ever...I just picked up a Dolk zooicide for $365 US. not too mention many others b/c of the falling POUND. IMO I think this gives UK artist more exposure to the US market now! And some of the best art in the world on my wall or in my flat file!
Prices have been tanking. I noticed several prints reached historic lows based on the price charts on expressobeans, and really in the last week. I've noticed the biggest drop off started three weeks ago and have not seeing an end in sight. Plus, lots and lots of Ebay postings are citing the economy for their reason for selling. Secondly, I totally disagree that BRP has done a good job managing demand. Case in point: Blek Le Rat. They dumped a slew of prints that still haven't sold through. Completely stagnated Blek's prices and market for prints for months! (and don't start dumping on Blek - few artists could have weathered releasing 1500 prints in a day all priced at 300 quid up and expect them to sell through... shame on BRP) I also can't say they've done a great job with Matt Small either for that matter - they should have dropped smaller editions more often to stir up demand and get people talking. His work for the Mercy Centre Appeal book was amazing. But it can't help that he's got two editions that have sit there unsold for ages. Talk about an artist who would have been better served by low edition, hand finished pieces. The other thing to not forget in all this has been the tanking ยฃBP. Its nice multiplying by 1.75 rather than 2 for a change, but I've noticed the artists with the weakest followings outside of Britain are seeing the worst sting in prices because of it. This is one of the main reason why I am buying more prints now than ever...I just picked up a Dolk zooicide for $365 US. not too mention many others b/c of the falling POUND. IMO I think this gives UK artist more exposure to the US market now! And some of the best art in the world on my wall or in my flat file! |
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by Francis on Oct 28, 2008 8:05:37 GMT 1, BRP has also messed up Swoon and the market for her works...totally destroyed it without a recovery in sight
BRP has also messed up Swoon and the market for her works...totally destroyed it without a recovery in sight
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Ebay Prices Falling?, by dmandpenfold on Oct 28, 2008 10:25:40 GMT 1, Ross please enlighten me what POW's point was to ruin an original britart.com artist's reputation?
must have missed something you didnt, why is his reputation ruined?
Ross please enlighten me what POW's point was to ruin an original britart.com artist's reputation? must have missed something you didnt, why is his reputation ruined? |
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